Are Penguins Bio-Engineered?

The truly great thing about this forum is that when you think you have witnessed the most stupid, unbelievably ignorant and insane beliefs possible... there comes yet even stupid, mor ignorant and even more insane beliefs.

Exhibit 1: this thread.

Be warned, not all of John Davis' topics are intended to be taken seriously. But please don't ask me which are which.
I PMed him once wondering how a flat earther could write material that virtually made him seem to be "secretly" supporting the Globe.

Quote from: fliggs on August 21, 2016, 02:40:49 AM

The truly great thing about this forum is that when you think you have witnessed the most stupid, unbelievably ignorant and insane beliefs possible... there comes yet even stupid, mor ignorant and even more insane beliefs.

Exhibit 1: this thread.

Be warned, not all of John Davis' topics are intended to be taken seriously. But please don't ask me which are which.
I PMed him once wondering how a flat earther could write material that virtually made him seem to be "secretly" supporting the Globe.

No, he wasn't, it was just a tougue-in-cheek humourous thread - and I was the one that didn't see it.  on me!

I would guess that he does in fact take them very seriously when he writes them during his schizophrenic episodes. Once he gets a bit less fuzzy he sees some of his threads as the garbage they are and tries to back track. It is all a very typical response from un-medicated schizophrenics.

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He knows.

The Penguin Conspiracy

Penguins were engineered during the Cold War. The woefully inconsistent fossil record is a testament to this fact, coupled with the untenable body structure that could not possibly be the result of evolution. Designed as a "walking lunchbox" or "Khod'ba Zakuska", these critters were made to consume high protein fish diets and lumber around allowing for a complete lack of need for supply lines to distant conspiracy outposts like the Russian Base in the Antarctic. As the Antarctic circles the earth, and is wildly inhospitable, a solution to this problem had to be made. No wonder some feel that Penguins are so different from all other fowl that they should not even be classified as birds! Their elbows are completely fused?! Why would they need to evolve to survive if they have no land predators in the Antarctic? Why would they not die out with the Dinofauxs? These questions are never suitably answered.

Not only is their fossil record ridiculous and stitched together with what we've been calling Frankenstein Bones, but their history is equally suspect. Supposedly they were first identified in 1490 by Magellan during the wave of exploration in the early 1500s known as the Age of Discovery. However, Africa had been explored in Antiquity by Pharaoh Necho II in 600BC; no such mention of Penguins is present in the accounts of this provided by Herodotus. Herodotus was skeptical of this tale because he could not understand the flat earth physics that allow the sun in the account to appear to the North. In fact, Penguin does not even refer originally to the bird Penguin, but instead is a synonym for the bird the Great Auk. Nobody agrees where the word hails from...

The birds themselves are far too stupid to survive. Often they will even attempt to mate with seals.

"Honestly I did not expect that follow up sightings of a similar nature to that 2006 one would ever be made again, and certainly not on multiple occasions," Nico de Bruyn, of the Mammal Research Institute at the University of Pretoria

Additionally they often choose to live in areas with climates not suited to their bodies, causing great distress.

Could it be that Penguins were Auk crossed by Seals? I'm not ruling it out at this point.

Their behavior is equally nonsensical, often going against what instinct should tell them to do and being  a myriad of different behaviors - such as living underground, swimming, migrating, child theft, homosexuality and more.

It just has to be said - this is the most retarded thing I have ever seen.

My mind is truely blown, a whole new level of retard has just been achieved!!

Have you taken note of every one of these penguin pictures?

Take a moment now and peruse the pictures. Nay, trust me not. Go to google, search penguin, click images. Take them all in.

The word penguin has an interesting etymology. Edward Fenton Supposedly during his voyages came across the curious creatures and dubbed them "pen gwyn". This is all well and good until you realize its translation from the welsh - literally "white head."

Now recall our little trip to the online zoo of penguins and every one of those pictures.

What colour was the penguins head?

That's right, it was black.

Consider this - the latin for plump; the latin for fat? "Pinguis." Another clue - hidden in time in a way. Do they really take us for such fools as they think we wouldn't figure it out?

Never mind genetic engineered. We basically only ever see them in enclosures in zoos. How do we know that the land they supposedly exist in exists?

For that matter, how do we know they can survive in such a place? I mean, fur seems like it would work better than feathers for staying warm, and as best as I know, moving a polar bear south would likely kill it. Someone mentioned moving them to the Antarctic as response to the melting ice pictures (which it turns out is a hoax)
https://newslog.cyberjournal.org/global-warming-fraud-iconic-polar-bear-on-melting-ice-cap-a-hoax/
and we got this article:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/would-polar-bears-thrive-antarctica

Ian - Polar bears would do very well if transplanted into the Antarctic - well at least for a few years. From a food point of view it would be polar bear heaven. In the Arctic the seals and other potential prey species have evolved lifestyles that minimises their risk of being eaten by polar bears but, in contrast, larger Antarctic animals such as seals and penguins have evolved without the risk of being eaten. Because of this the penguins are typically quite bold and inquisitive and will often approach you to have a look, and seals in the Antarctic range in behaviour from total indifference to outright aggression.

Which further points out the oddity of all this. A bird with no survival instinct about avoiding predators?

Have you taken note of every one of these penguin pictures?

Take a moment now and peruse the pictures. Nay, trust me not. Go to google, search penguin, click images. Take them all in.

The word penguin has an interesting etymology. Edward Fenton Supposedly during his voyages came across the curious creatures and dubbed them "pen gwyn". This is all well and good until you realize its translation from the welsh - literally "white head."

Now recall our little trip to the online zoo of penguins and every one of those pictures.

What colour was the penguins head?

That's right, it was black.

African penguins do have white heads.



Which brings up a key point. All real penguins are here, not in "Antarctica."

The word penguin has an interesting etymology.

Yes, first used to describe a different bird, the great auk.
Then later when Europeans came across what we now know of as penguins, they called them that due to their similarities.

Do they really take us for such fools as they think we wouldn't figure it out?

Well you fail to join the dots with the etymology, you seem to think all penguins are in Antarctica, and ignore a key part of evolution.
So if someone was making a conspiracy they likely would think you are such a fool you wouldn't figure it out.

Never mind genetic engineered. We basically only ever see them in enclosures in zoos. How do we know that the land they supposedly exist in exists?

I took the pictures early in the thread and can confirm they exist in South America. I was denied access to the Antarctic so could not verify that.

For that matter, how do we know they can survive in such a place? I mean, fur seems like it would work better than feathers for staying warm, and as best as I know, moving a polar bear south would likely kill it. Someone mentioned moving them to the Antarctic as response to the melting ice pictures (which it turns out is a hoax)
https://newslog.cyberjournal.org/global-warming-fraud-iconic-polar-bear-on-melting-ice-cap-a-hoax/
and we got this article:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/would-polar-bears-thrive-antarctica

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Ian - Polar bears would do very well if transplanted into the Antarctic - well at least for a few years. From a food point of view it would be polar bear heaven. In the Arctic the seals and other potential prey species have evolved lifestyles that minimises their risk of being eaten by polar bears but, in contrast, larger Antarctic animals such as seals and penguins have evolved without the risk of being eaten. Because of this the penguins are typically quite bold and inquisitive and will often approach you to have a look, and seals in the Antarctic range in behaviour from total indifference to outright aggression.

Which further points out the oddity of all this. A bird with no survival instinct about avoiding predators?

The thing about penguins is they seem like they are almost engineered to survive the climate as portable food sources. Heavy in fat and protein, they are both well insulated and a walking army ration. They are dull witted, with records of early discoverers noting how they would just horde onto the boat to be slaughtered for meal. They also serve to harvest the natural fish and transform that to transferable energy that would otherwise be very problematic to do so in the climate.

You are quite right they can be bold if you aren't careful. You watch out for them bobbing their head back and forth; this is them sizing you up.

The thing about penguins is they seem like they are almost engineered to survive the climate as portable food sources. Heavy in fat and protein, they are both well insulated and a walking army ration. They are dull witted, with records of early discoverers noting how they would just horde onto the boat to be slaughtered for meal. They also serve to harvest the natural fish and transform that to transferable energy that would otherwise be very problematic to do so in the climate.

As if they evolved without having significant human predation.
Fat works quite well as both an insulator and an energy store.
"heavy in fat and protein" describes almost any animal.

The Penguin Conspiracy

Penguins were engineered during the Cold War. The woefully inconsistent fossil record is a testament to this fact, coupled with the untenable body structure that could not possibly be the result of evolution. Designed as a "walking lunchbox" or "Khod'ba Zakuska", these critters were made to consume high protein fish diets and lumber around allowing for a complete lack of need for supply lines to distant conspiracy outposts like the Russian Base in the Antarctic. As the Antarctic circles the earth, and is wildly inhospitable, a solution to this problem had to be made. No wonder some feel that Penguins are so different from all other fowl that they should not even be classified as birds! Their elbows are completely fused?! Why would they need to evolve to survive if they have no land predators in the Antarctic? Why would they not die out with the Dinofauxs? These questions are never suitably answered.

Not only is their fossil record ridiculous and stitched together with what we've been calling Frankenstein Bones, but their history is equally suspect. Supposedly they were first identified in 1490 by Magellan during the wave of exploration in the early 1500s known as the Age of Discovery. However, Africa had been explored in Antiquity by Pharaoh Necho II in 600BC; no such mention of Penguins is present in the accounts of this provided by Herodotus. Herodotus was skeptical of this tale because he could not understand the flat earth physics that allow the sun in the account to appear to the North. In fact, Penguin does not even refer originally to the bird Penguin, but instead is a synonym for the bird the Great Auk. Nobody agrees where the word hails from...

The birds themselves are far too stupid to survive. Often they will even attempt to mate with seals.

"Honestly I did not expect that follow up sightings of a similar nature to that 2006 one would ever be made again, and certainly not on multiple occasions," Nico de Bruyn, of the Mammal Research Institute at the University of Pretoria

Additionally they often choose to live in areas with climates not suited to their bodies, causing great distress.

Could it be that Penguins were Auk crossed by Seals? I'm not ruling it out at this point.

Their behavior is equally nonsensical, often going against what instinct should tell them to do and being  a myriad of different behaviors - such as living underground, swimming, migrating, child theft, homosexuality and more.

Just as a note, that doesn't look like sex initiated by the penguin at all.

Unfortunately, we don't have the technology to bioengineer animals. It would be fantastic, but we don't know enough about living things to do that. It would be completely unrealistic to think that humans have the technology to do this today. Realize that the ability to model living things like this would involve much more than just penguins.

That you know of.

Older generations believed in wizards. And they had a conception of them going around casting fireballs and such.

Tell me. What would a small group of elite scientists look like using a double-barrel laser rifle to someone in medieval or ancient times? They'd depict someone who isn't a god, but has a magical staff.

In the same way, Hindu myths have a number of mythological weapons... that sound an awful lot like modern weapons.

https://vedicfeed.com/most-powerful-weapons-in-mahabharata

Narayanastra: Guided cluster missiles
Brahmastra: A nuke (complete with detailed mentions of fallout)
Pashupatastra: Something akin to an atom smasher (used to break things down completely and destroy them)

I have long wondered if there might not be lost civilizations that all but blew themselves up, and in which case reread the Flood story. We have a group of half-angels known as Nephilim, men who are clever and powerful in battle. We have a deluge that washed away historical record and probably quenched a nuclear event. We have certain areas on earth that are "cursed" like Rajasthan, where nobody have lived for centuries on a culture that literally believes in ancient nukes as part of their myths!

This is why I do not trust secret societies like the Freemasons. They are more than likely evil (or at least morally questionable) survivors of the Flood. Some of them might believe in protecting humanity from itself, some might want to control us, and some probably have fought big wars that risk destroying everything again.

https://www.ancient-code.com/ancient-nanotechnology-evidence-of-advanced-pre-flood-civilizations/

So yes, certain people probably do have technology to bioengineer animals. As for modern people, we can certainly make crossbreeds of the same species, though hybrids of different species are usually (but not always) sterile.  Mules were made as far back as 3500 BC. Further back toward Flood times, they might have been able to make fertile hybrids of different species.

Why breed a stupid derpy animal incapable of defending itself? Simple, we're not allowed to disturb penguin sanctuaries because they are endangered. And their nests are all over the coast to the point that most of Antarctica cannot be explored.

 Why are they endangered? It's not like humans deliberately hunt them. It's because they are stupid animals, and they are designed this way so that they will always be endangered.

that sound an awful lot like modern weapons.

You mean that can be twisted to pretend they are.
While there is no evidence or rational reason to think they are at all.

As for modern people, we can certainly make crossbreeds of the same species, though hybrids of different species are usually (but not always) sterile.  Mules were made as far back as 3500 BC. Further back toward Flood times, they might have been able to make fertile hybrids of different species.

Which is not bioengineering.
The best we have are crossbreeds and selective breeding.

Why breed a stupid derpy animal incapable of defending itself?

Except there is no reason to think anyone has.

Why are they endangered?

They aren't.
Emperor penguins are currently listed as "Near Threatened".
And the reason for that status is the declining food sources available to them.
And guess what caused that? People.

Some are listed as least concern.
Only some species are actually listed as endangered.

Unfortunately, we don't have the technology to bioengineer animals. It would be fantastic, but we don't know enough about living things to do that. It would be completely unrealistic to think that humans have the technology to do this today. Realize that the ability to model living things like this would involve much more than just penguins.

We have been bio-engineering animals since the beginning of time. Ever enjoy a steak? Or perhaps you are sitting next to your man's best friend.

Ludicrous. Not only that, but we do have the technology to bioenginer animals.GloFish. AquaAdvantage Salmon. Enviropig. Polled Cattle.

NASA even does it with their mighty mice.

This is ignoring the plethora of examples of man-made chimea such as the spider goat that could make web milk, or the human-pig chimeras they use in research for transplants. Plenty of clone and gene editing work on monkeys going on in China as well.

I have to wonder if you bring such shoddy arguments to the table because you know they are weak and have nothing else to support your laughable take or if you are just truly this ignorant or what you wish to argue against.

The idea such a beast would evolve by God's will itself has me slapping my knee so hard its left welts.

The idea such a beast would evolve by God's will itself has me slapping my knee so hard its left welts.

If you want to go based upon the idea of a god, then there are so many things in nature that are stupid it isn't funny.
e.g. a particular nerve in giraffes which go all the way down the neck and then back up.

It's as if there is no intelligent designer behind it all.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 15, 2025, 05:12:24 AM

that sound an awful lot like modern weapons.

You mean that can be twisted to pretend they are.
While there is no evidence or rational reason to think they are at all.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 15, 2025, 05:12:24 AM

As for modern people, we can certainly make crossbreeds of the same species, though hybrids of different species are usually (but not always) sterile.  Mules were made as far back as 3500 BC. Further back toward Flood times, they might have been able to make fertile hybrids of different species.

Which is not bioengineering.
The best we have are crossbreeds and selective breeding.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 15, 2025, 05:12:24 AM

Why breed a stupid derpy animal incapable of defending itself?

Except there is no reason to think anyone has.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 15, 2025, 05:12:24 AM

Why are they endangered?

They aren't.
Emperor penguins are currently listed as "Near Threatened".
And the reason for that status is the declining food sources available to them.
And guess what caused that? People.

Some are listed as least concern.
Only some species are actually listed as endangered.

Kindly look at the map and how many orange and red dots their are. Then ask me how likely I think that an unguided exploration of Antarctica to check the work of the previous explorers is.

Alleged attempts to head to the South Pole are only of any import if they are repeatable. If the verdict is that you can't go here, here, or here because of nesting penguins and thus might have to take a much harder climb, sure that makes things a little difficult.

Also, can someone please tell me how a stupid flightless bird manages to get up high walls

of Antarctica? Even  a five ft wall seems like it would be too much for them.

If you want to lay this guilt trip on people (yes I've seen Happy Feet) may I remind you that barely anyone ever visits these areas?  There are pretty much only cod icefish there which are described as

Nototheniidae species are largely found in the Southern Ocean and are particularly abundant off the shores of Antarctica

"particularly abundant"
Oh here it mentions two species of cod get fished a fair amount. This doesn't account for other fish like the snailfish. And it takes a fair amount of time to go from Antarctica to whatever country and back. And there are islands outshore from here like the Falklands or Crozet Island that are far closer and easier fishing. I find the story that Antarctica is overfished implausible.

No, the reason penguins are threatened is because they need to lay eggs on dry land, and all around them are ice shelves that are as much as 30 m (100 ft high). Supposedly they can climb, but that's a feat even for Spider-Man nvm  birds with just claws on feet and no proper hands. Or they die off due to their own actions. And of course, they blame "climate change."
 https://www.nathab.com/blog/tourists-not-to-blame-for-penguin-declines
So basically, since climate change isn't a thing, penguins are a perpetually endangered species, and are used deliberately to create nesting barricades to visitors.

Also, can someone please tell me how a stupid flightless bird manages to get up high walls

of Antarctica? Even  a five ft wall seems like it would be too much for them.

They’re smart enough to look for the shoreline.

Kindly look at the map and how many orange and red dots their are.

Then understand how large it is, and recognise that is not likely going to be covering the entire coast.

Then ask me how likely I think that an unguided exploration of Antarctica to check the work of the previous explorers is.

Why does it have to be unguided?
If you are going to be checking the work of a previous explorer, you should be guided by what they have done.

Alleged attempts to head to the South Pole are only of any import if they are repeatable.

And they are.
With plenty of people having done it.

Also, can someone please tell me how a stupid flightless bird manages to get up high walls

Notice how you don't show any penguins in your image?
The entire coast of Antarctica is not a giant ice wall.
Showing a picture of a single ice cliff on Antarctica is useless to demonstrate any issues.
 

I find the story that Antarctica is overfished implausible.

You find lots of things you don't like to be implausible.
That doesn't make it so.
It usually just indicates you aren't thinking about it.

It maybe possible that all non flying so called birds including the giant ask which lives near the hub.

Now come on. It's done to death. The duck billed platypus is not a duck or bird.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 16, 2025, 04:37:59 AM

Kindly look at the map and how many orange and red dots their are.

Then understand how large it is, and recognise that is not likely going to be covering the entire coast.

That's true, I can just fly over that part...

Oh wait, no,it's a no fly zone. Because... reasons.

That's true, I can just fly over that part...

Yes, you can.
If you want to claim otherwise, try something more substantial than a useless YouTube video.

Are auks fails penguin attempts. Or are they defending the northern hub?

That's true, I can just fly over that part...

Oh wait, no,it's a no fly zone. Because... reasons.

And if you had watched the whole video, you would have found out those reasons.  Or do you not mind crash landing in-100 degree weather?