GPS | Navigation

I have sailed in the southern hemisphere.  GPS worked the whole time traveling between South America and New Zealand. Unless the boat owner was somehow fooling me.  Since it was a private boat and I had access to the GPS receiver I doubt he was.

I have met people who have sailed to more areas in the South Pacific than I have and have not met anyone who claimed their GPS stopped working because it was no longer getting a signal.

Reading sailing guides for different areas that give navigation  advice, like best times to make crossings and routes, none mention lack of GPS coverage.  Most assume the reader will be using it.

okay so GPS works in the south.. got it.

i do though think its funny that centuries of sailing with the stars and now people who claim to be smarter use and need GPS..

lol.. its like without a lighter who can start a fire any more?

That is a perfect analogy. With these new and improved tools, why learn the old way?

Starting fires using traditional methods (such as with a bow or flint) are unreliable and often impractical, just like old navigation systems. Its much easier to just whip out a lighter and use the technology you have to do the job much better.

ok. then down the road they will say.. lighters are so old and stupid.. here use this new thing..


its not the size of the dog its the size of the fight.. its not about getting to the top of the mountain
its doing it with the least amount of supplies..

im not saying you can't use your technologies.. I'm saying it makes you weak..

you can do it by all means.. go ahead. you are a human and a free man..

but i just think its weak.. I'm entitled to my own opinion.

ok. then down the road they will say.. lighters are so old and stupid.. here use this new thing..


its not the size of the dog its the size of the fight.. its not about getting to the top of the mountain
its doing it with the least amount of supplies..

im not saying you can't use your technologies.. I'm saying it makes you weak..

you can do it by all means.. go ahead. you are a human and a free man..

but i just think its weak.. I'm entitled to my own opinion.

Why does our merry fora attract these guys?

ok. then down the road they will say.. lighters are so old and stupid.. here use this new thing..


its not the size of the dog its the size of the fight.. its not about getting to the top of the mountain
its doing it with the least amount of supplies..

im not saying you can't use your technologies.. I'm saying it makes you weak..

you can do it by all means.. go ahead. you are a human and a free man..

but i just think its weak.. I'm entitled to my own opinion.

Then why use a forum on Internet? You can travel (on foot) to relay your message. Internet makes you weak. It also saves you some time, but...

i agree.. look at what the world has come to..

gardening is a lost art..

people think hunting is cruel to animals.. but will eat a fake diabetic burger made of GMO's

the world is only science and numbers based off pictures

everyone sees whats on TV and creates an identity

what kills me is how people think they are this or that..

if you were born on an island and had to figure it out would you really think
the earth was round, you were a female but born a male
and there was nothing that created you?

its hard to say what anyone would think without what you were told or you had heard or saw..


to say things are outdated or old ways is foolish..

sleeping on the ground is inconvenient? seriously?

i agree.. look at what the world has come to..

gardening is a lost art..

Not really.

people think hunting is cruel to animals.. but will eat a fake diabetic burger made of GMO's

I don't see anything grong with vegans and vegetarians. There's also a lot of untruths about transgenics, I suppose it would be better to start a thread about them to discuss their pros and cons.

the world is only science and numbers based off pictures

The existence of the Vatican, american fundamentalism or Daesh and their yihad refute your statement.

everyone sees whats on TV and creates an identity

what kills me is how people think they are this or that..

if you were born on an island and had to figure it out would you really think
the earth was round, you were a female but born a male
and there was nothing that created you?

its hard to say what anyone would think without what you were told or you had heard or saw..

...What?
If that comment is about gender identity and sexual orientation, or atheism, or something else, please, expand.

to say things are outdated or old ways is foolish..

sleeping on the ground is inconvenient? seriously?

Quite inconvenient, actually. Pointy rocks, bugs, lack of thermal isolation...

GPS has universal coverage.

So, if I went to, say, the Andromeda Galaxy, my GPS would tell me where I am?  Perhaps you should not say stupid things all the time? 

Quote from: inquisitive

GPS has universal coverage.

So, if I went to, say, the Andromeda Galaxy, my GPS would tell me where I am?  Perhaps you should not say stupid things all the time?

Universal as in "anywhere". If you don't like it, you must really hate Miss and Mister Universe pageants.

Universal as in "anywhere". If you don't like it, you must really hate Miss and Mister Universe pageants.

Andomeda is not "anywhere" in the Universe?  Have you lost your mind? 

Quote from: inquisitive

GPS has universal coverage.

So, if I went to, say, the Andromeda Galaxy, my GPS would tell me where I am?  Perhaps you should not say stupid things all the time?

Like saying you can go to Andromeda Galaxy. You can't prove it doesn't work in Andromeda Galaxy unless you have been there to experience it yourself, isn't that how being zetetic works?

It's Universal, though.  Maybe you should not say stupid things, as well. 

It's Universal, though.  Maybe you should not say stupid things, as well.

Again, if you haven't found a place that doesn't have GPS coverage, you can't prove that there exists a place that doesn't have coverage, that's how zeteticism works, you have to have personally experienced it.

Who determined that GPS works in the Andromeda Galaxy in order for you people to determine that it is "Universal"?  Also, you have no idea how Zeteticism works, idiot, so don't pretend you do.  It does not mean that you have to personally measure everything, dummy.  How many more fallacies are you going to post today?  My guess is 12. 

Who determined that GPS works in the Andromeda Galaxy in order for you people to determine that it is "Universal"?  Also, you have no idea how Zeteticism works, idiot, so don't pretend you do.  It does not mean that you have to personally measure everything, dummy.  How many more fallacies are you going to post today?  My guess is 12. 

Zeteticism is only believing your senses, you need to have personally seen something for it to be true. As all experiences of GPS I have had show it to work, it is universally working to my senses, just as never having perceived curvature of the earth makes it universally true that it isn't curved.
Trust me, I am the head of the Reformed Zetetic Society.

Who determined that GPS works in the Andromeda Galaxy in order for you people to determine that it is "Universal"?  Also, you have no idea how Zeteticism works, idiot, so don't pretend you do.  It does not mean that you have to personally measure everything, dummy.  How many more fallacies are you going to post today?  My guess is 12. 

As you know we are discussing GPS coverage on earth.

Quote from: jroa on June 22, 2016, 11:31:26 AM

Who determined that GPS works in the Andromeda Galaxy in order for you people to determine that it is "Universal"?  Also, you have no idea how Zeteticism works, idiot, so don't pretend you do.  It does not mean that you have to personally measure everything, dummy.  How many more fallacies are you going to post today?  My guess is 12. 

As you know we are discussing GPS coverage on earth.

He calls others autistic, yet can't understand context and interprets statements literally.

Quote from: inquisitive on June 22, 2016, 01:38:48 PM

Quote from: jroa on June 22, 2016, 11:31:26 AM

Who determined that GPS works in the Andromeda Galaxy in order for you people to determine that it is "Universal"?  Also, you have no idea how Zeteticism works, idiot, so don't pretend you do.  It does not mean that you have to personally measure everything, dummy.  How many more fallacies are you going to post today?  My guess is 12. 

As you know we are discussing GPS coverage on earth.

He calls others autistic, yet can't understand context and interprets statements literally.

And this isn't the first time either.

Who determined that GPS works in the Andromeda Galaxy in order for you people to determine that it is "Universal"?  Also, you have no idea how Zeteticism works, idiot, so don't pretend you do.  It does not mean that you have to personally measure everything, dummy.  How many more fallacies are you going to post today?  My guess is 12. 

I will give you a "Tom Bishop" answer
Otherwise we must accept that it does.

Actually he used that counter when I had the temerity to claim "At either equinox the sun rises almost in the east everywhere on earth (except at the poles)."

Quote from: jroa on June 22, 2016, 11:31:26 AM

Who determined that GPS works in the Andromeda Galaxy in order for you people to determine that it is "Universal"?  Also, you have no idea how Zeteticism works, idiot, so don't pretend you do.  It does not mean that you have to personally measure everything, dummy.  How many more fallacies are you going to post today?  My guess is 12. 

I will give you a "Tom Bishop" answer

"Have YOU personally proved that GPS does not work in the Andromeda Galaxy?

Otherwise we must accept that it does.

Actually he used that counter when I had the temerity to claim "At either equinox the sun rises almost in the east everywhere on earth (except at the poles)."

I am sorry, but was I supposed to believe that the trashcans floating around in the sky are supposed to tell me where I am in the Andromeda Galaxy? 

And here we have master-derailer Jroa again. Who suddenly accepts the fact that there are other galaxies. Anyway:
GPS will not work if you are far away from earth (my prediction, feel free to argue against it). However, on earth it provides universal coverage, what was meant by inquisitive and deliberately misinterpreted by you.

What is there to misinterpret?  Are there more than one universe? 

its not the reality ps. its the global ps.. isn't it just a map with a beacon on whatever device you have?

doesn't prove anything about a earth.. just a map.

its not the reality ps. its the global ps.. isn't it just a map with a beacon on whatever device you have?

doesn't prove anything about a earth.. just a map.

Except that the satellites necessary for the system to work orbit the ROUND earth. 

Quote from: BoneandNacho on June 23, 2016, 01:42:12 PM

its not the reality ps. its the global ps.. isn't it just a map with a beacon on whatever device you have?

doesn't prove anything about a earth.. just a map.

Except that the satellites necessary for the system to work orbit the ROUND earth. 

Wow, when were you calculating the orbit around the Earth?  This sounds interesting.  Please, post your data for our review. 

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 23, 2016, 02:02:41 PM

Quote from: BoneandNacho on June 23, 2016, 01:42:12 PM

its not the reality ps. its the global ps.. isn't it just a map with a beacon on whatever device you have?

doesn't prove anything about a earth.. just a map.

Except that the satellites necessary for the system to work orbit the ROUND earth. 

Wow, when were you calculating the orbit around the Earth?  This sounds interesting.  Please, post your data for our review.

GPS data available online if you want it.

Quote from: jroa on June 23, 2016, 02:06:42 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 23, 2016, 02:02:41 PM

Quote from: BoneandNacho on June 23, 2016, 01:42:12 PM

its not the reality ps. its the global ps.. isn't it just a map with a beacon on whatever device you have?

doesn't prove anything about a earth.. just a map.

Except that the satellites necessary for the system to work orbit the ROUND earth. 

Wow, when were you calculating the orbit around the Earth?  This sounds interesting.  Please, post your data for our review.

GPS data available online if you want it.

So is the shape of the Earth, if you care to open your mind. 

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 23, 2016, 02:02:41 PM

Quote from: BoneandNacho on June 23, 2016, 01:42:12 PM

its not the reality ps. its the global ps.. isn't it just a map with a beacon on whatever device you have?

doesn't prove anything about a earth.. just a map.

Except that the satellites necessary for the system to work orbit the ROUND earth. 

Wow, when were you calculating the orbit around the Earth?  This sounds interesting.  Please, post your data for our review.

GPS two-line element sets.  Do with them what you will, but they each contain all the information you need to describe their orbits. 

GPS BIIR-2  (PRN 13)   
1 24876U 97035A   16175.08806082  .00000035  00000-0  00000+0 0  9990
2 24876  55.6512 241.2594 0040386 116.1270 244.3789  2.00562740138622
GPS BIIR-3  (PRN 11)   
1 25933U 99055A   16175.37585126 -.00000017  00000-0  00000+0 0  9995
2 25933  51.3937  93.3885 0163012  87.9200  47.1173  2.00563481122442
GPS BIIR-4  (PRN 20)   
1 26360U 00025A   16175.28652109  .00000068  00000-0  00000+0 0  9990
2 26360  53.0782 169.8595 0043393  78.7876  91.2632  2.00553440118132
GPS BIIR-5  (PRN 28)   
1 26407U 00040A   16175.13741269 -.00000053  00000-0  00000+0 0  9994
2 26407  56.6986 359.1400 0199330 267.4730  75.7944  2.00569461116813
GPS BIIR-6  (PRN 14)   
1 26605U 00071A   16175.29444991  .00000036  00000-0  00000+0 0  9997
2 26605  55.2209 239.1190 0090001 248.1245 127.9265  2.00522164114410
GPS BIIR-7  (PRN 18)   
1 26690U 01004A   16175.34560843  .00000070  00000-0  00000+0 0  9997
2 26690  53.0051 172.8235 0174585 252.7111 268.9533  2.00560611112816
GPS BIIR-8  (PRN 16)   
1 27663U 03005A   16175.25264409 -.00000053  00000-0  00000+0 0  9992
2 27663  56.7723 358.8537 0086445  21.1204 163.0079  2.00551971 98173
GPS BIIR-9  (PRN 21)   
1 27704U 03010A   16175.20085211  .00000010  00000-0  00000+0 0  9993
2 27704  53.6665 113.1373 0236075 258.0831 216.1672  2.00572233 96972
GPS BIIR-10 (PRN 22)   
1 28129U 03058A   16175.28221881  .00000069  00000-0  00000+0 0  9994
2 28129  52.8853 172.8600 0078815 251.5535 107.5930  2.00548825 91676
GPS BIIR-11 (PRN 19)   
1 28190U 04009A   16175.12635208 -.00000039  00000-0  00000+0 0  9992
2 28190  55.7941  60.1592 0106008  44.8524 201.3425  2.00569866 89857
GPS BIIR-12 (PRN 23)   
1 28361U 04023A   16175.35664649  .00000040  00000-0  00000+0 0  9995
2 28361  54.1937 234.5949 0111647 214.2417 111.8900  2.00565008 87931
GPS BIIR-13 (PRN 02)   
1 28474U 04045A   16175.26456138  .00000010  00000-0  00000+0 0  9993
2 28474  54.0549 112.4603 0159985 239.7561  22.1248  2.00573799 85308
GPS BIIRM-1 (PRN 17)   
1 28874U 05038A   16175.46904888 -.00000041  00000-0  00000+0 0  9997
2 28874  55.9596  57.3546 0111907 250.0681 268.6583  2.00559834 78707
GPS BIIRM-2 (PRN 31)   
1 29486U 06042A   16175.40941237 -.00000032  00000-0  00000+0 0  9996
2 29486  55.6305 296.6275 0082360 335.8911  58.0879  2.00552756 71424
GPS BIIRM-3 (PRN 12)   
1 29601U 06052A   16175.30565571 -.00000053  00000-0  00000+0 0  9991
2 29601  56.7433 357.7753 0059756  42.3306 318.1511  2.00559909 70337
GPS BIIRM-4 (PRN 15)   
1 32260U 07047A   16175.12106601  .00000043  00000-0  00000+0 0  9994
2 32260  53.3222 231.2689 0080541  26.2619 334.2366  2.00570195 63710
GPS BIIRM-5 (PRN 29)   
1 32384U 07062A   16175.33953031 -.00000040  00000-0  00000+0 0  9996
2 32384  56.0158  57.9183 0009504 337.8052 318.9255  2.00577924 62441
GPS BIIRM-6 (PRN 07)   
1 32711U 08012A   16175.03233512 -.00000032  00000-0  00000+0 0  9999
2 32711  55.3549 296.1002 0097508 208.3253 151.1577  2.00567310 60635
GPS BIIRM-8 (PRN 05)   
1 35752U 09043A   16175.22000293  .00000072  00000-0  00000+0 0  9994
2 35752  54.2276 174.0709 0045530  23.5171 135.3009  2.00546443 50211
GPS BIIF-1  (PRN 25)   
1 36585U 10022A   16175.35174881 -.00000054  00000-0  00000+0 0  9998
2 36585  56.0674 354.8384 0054676  43.3478 320.6966  2.00556626 44461
GPS BIIF-2  (PRN 01)   
1 37753U 11036A   16175.37756270  .00000016  00000-0  00000+0 0  9999
2 37753  55.2709 115.0968 0054996  25.3335  84.9555  2.00567081 36148
GPS BIIF-3  (PRN 24)   
1 38833U 12053A   16175.21162309 -.00000031  00000-0  00000+0 0  9994
2 38833  54.3848 293.3640 0043422  20.9856 339.2103  2.00570545 27223
GPS BIIF-4  (PRN 27)   
1 39166U 13023A   16175.07247916 -.00000043  00000-0  00000+0 0  9997
2 39166  55.6699  54.5026 0036747  14.2923 345.8746  2.00567382 22742
GPS BIIF-5  (PRN 30)   
1 39533U 14008A   16175.06883741 -.00000036  00000-0  00000+0 0  9992
2 39533  54.5406 298.6062 0022075 180.7877 179.2209  2.00573116 17111
GPS BIIF-6  (PRN 06)   
1 39741U 14026A   16175.34969129  .00000015  00000-0  00000+0 0  9995
2 39741  55.2608 114.6150 0006130 278.2823  81.6277  2.00558714 15393
GPS BIIF-7  (PRN 09)   
1 40105U 14045A   16174.93950309  .00000043  00000-0  00000+0 0  9997
2 40105  54.7135 234.3254 0004046 158.9151 201.1941  2.00576974 13837
GPS BIIF-8  (PRN 03)   
1 40294U 14068A   16175.31508816  .00000075  00000-0  00000+0 0  9991
2 40294  54.9689 174.7693 0004463 268.6778  91.2802  2.00562801 12065
GPS BIIF-9  (PRN 26)   
1 40534U 15013A   16174.95854448 -.00000058  00000-0  00000+0 0  9995
2 40534  55.0340 354.3136 0009951 358.0199   1.9932  2.00551726  9123
GPS BIIF-10  (PRN 08)   
1 40730U 15033A   16175.11222019 -.00000044  00000-0  00000+0 0  9992
2 40730  55.2064  54.3344 0019166 295.8594  64.0052  2.00559652  6889
GPS BIIF-11  (PRN 10)   
1 41019U 15062A   16175.16528201  .00000074  00000-0  00000+0 0  9994
2 41019  54.9816 174.5459 0016546 212.1240 147.7848  2.00562357  4709
GPS BIIF-12  (PRN 32)   
1 41328U 16007A   16174.75482324  .00000044  00000-0  00000+0 0  9993
2 41328  54.9761 234.4193 0006394 241.6345 118.3938  2.00570371  2768