What happens at the edge?

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What happens at the edge?
« on: June 16, 2016, 10:22:17 PM »
So what happens at the edge of the earth? No one has fallen off before, and I'm sure that there's a better explanation than that. I just can't think of any other ideas than that...

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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 11:15:59 PM »
So what happens at the edge of the earth? No one has fallen off before, and I'm sure that there's a better explanation than that. I just can't think of any other ideas than that...


We don't hear back from people who fell off.

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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 07:32:45 AM »
I don't think it's possible to fall off the edge because it's not possible to reach the edge.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2016, 10:13:59 AM »
There is no edge.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2016, 06:21:26 PM »
There is no edge.
Correct, because it is a globe.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2016, 12:20:03 PM »
There is no edge.
Correct, because it is a globe.
Incorrect. Many would argue that its either a closed surface, its enclosed in a dome, there is an icewall, or that it is an infinite plane. No flatists I know of think there's an edge.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2016, 12:59:11 PM »
An ice wall would still mean there was an edge.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2016, 01:13:42 PM »
Fair enough. In that case: the ice wall happens at the edge if there is an edge.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2016, 01:16:23 PM »
Fair enough. In that case: the ice wall happens at the edge if there is an edge.

So why will no one go there and take a picture of the thing?  Send a drone.  Or a rocket.  Blow up the ice wall and see what is beyond.  I bet it's the White Walkers!

Or, if the plane is infinite, what stops it from collapsing due to gravity?

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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2016, 01:45:12 PM »
I've already discussed in the other thread why travel in the Antarctic is prohibitive (ignoring the natural conditions). Would you just like me to follow you to every thread you bring this up and answer it again and again?

If the plane is infinite, where would you expect it to "collapse" to?
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2016, 01:56:02 PM »
I've already discussed in the other thread why travel in the Antarctic is prohibitive (ignoring the natural conditions). Would you just like me to follow you to every thread you bring this up and answer it again and again?

If the plane is infinite, where would you expect it to "collapse" to?

You know I love you John!  And I suggested sending something without a human, like a drone, to do the job, so risks to life and limb are negligible.  A plane will fly over Antarctica just fine, the only problem is that if anything goes wrong, there's almost literally no one to come and help you.  As happened recently.  But a drone could do the job just fine.  And who would know you'd done it?  There's no one monitoring 99% of the airspace.  Or, if there were, you'd have hard evidence of a conspiracy, which would be amazingly cool and/or scary to learn about.  I know I'd be changing my mind about a great many things.

Physics suggests an infinitely massive object would collapse pretty much instantly into a black hole due to gravity.  Our continued existence argues this isn't the case.  Unless we are operating under the assumption of Universal Acceleration, which has its own set of quandaries.

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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2016, 02:00:06 PM »
I've already discussed in the other thread why travel in the Antarctic is prohibitive (ignoring the natural conditions). Would you just like me to follow you to every thread you bring this up and answer it again and again?

If the plane is infinite, where would you expect it to "collapse" to?

You know I love you John!  And I suggested sending something without a human, like a drone, to do the job, so risks to life and limb are negligible.  A plane will fly over Antarctica just fine, the only problem is that if anything goes wrong, there's almost literally no one to come and help you.  As happened recently.  But a drone could do the job just fine.  And who would know you'd done it?  There's no one monitoring 99% of the airspace.  Or, if there were, you'd have hard evidence of a conspiracy, which would be amazingly cool and/or scary to learn about.  I know I'd be changing my mind about a great many things.

Physics suggests an infinitely massive object would collapse pretty much instantly into a black hole due to gravity.  Our continued existence argues this isn't the case.  Unless we are operating under the assumption of Universal Acceleration, which has its own set of quandaries.
Most planes take 3 hours to reach their destinations which I've shown are far away from the edge. A drone would presumably take much longer, and this isn't even to the edge. This raises a huge set of other issues, but I suppose its worth looking into.

Where do you think it would collapse to?

Why do you think that an infinite plane would not have equal force pulling on each point due to the equal amount of matter to its left, right, north, south, and so on? The pull from particles aligned at 0 deg would balance out those from 180 and 90 from 270. And so on for each angle.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2016, 02:19:13 PM »
I've already discussed in the other thread why travel in the Antarctic is prohibitive (ignoring the natural conditions). Would you just like me to follow you to every thread you bring this up and answer it again and again?

If the plane is infinite, where would you expect it to "collapse" to?

You know I love you John!  And I suggested sending something without a human, like a drone, to do the job, so risks to life and limb are negligible.  A plane will fly over Antarctica just fine, the only problem is that if anything goes wrong, there's almost literally no one to come and help you.  As happened recently.  But a drone could do the job just fine.  And who would know you'd done it?  There's no one monitoring 99% of the airspace.  Or, if there were, you'd have hard evidence of a conspiracy, which would be amazingly cool and/or scary to learn about.  I know I'd be changing my mind about a great many things.

Physics suggests an infinitely massive object would collapse pretty much instantly into a black hole due to gravity.  Our continued existence argues this isn't the case.  Unless we are operating under the assumption of Universal Acceleration, which has its own set of quandaries.
Most planes take 3 hours to reach their destinations which I've shown are far away from the edge. A drone would presumably take much longer, and this isn't even to the edge. This raises a huge set of other issues, but I suppose its worth looking into.

Where do you think it would collapse to?

Why do you think that an infinite plane would not have equal force pulling on each point due to the equal amount of matter to its left, right, north, south, and so on? The pull from particles aligned at 0 deg would balance out those from 180 and 90 from 270. And so on for each angle.

That's a solid point, and one I hadn't thought through completely. 

An infinite solid "plane" of some arbitrary thickness wouldn't collapse due to gravity for the reasons you said.  I had fun reasoning it out!   

However, it seems to me that, for a uniform plane of relatively even thickness, gravity would behave strangely.  On an infinite plane, gravity would pull in many directions, but these would largely cancel out, and downward pull would win out. 

However, as gravity scales with distance and mass, gravity would be theoretically be greater at the tops of mountains, as there is more mass directly below you, correct?  I'm not sure, I keep running into problems with where the center of mass would be.  I guess it would depend on the size of the mountain and how thick the plane might be.

This is counter to what we actually observe, as gravity pulls LESS hard at the tops of mountains, as we get farther from the earth's center of mass.  But again, I've been wrong before.

With the plane thing, longer distances are an engineering problem.  Those aren't hard TOO hard to solve.  Carry more fuel on a more efficient device.  Or just use a rocket and make it a one-way trip.  We can already send rockets to the other side of the world, we could just aim it the opposite way and send it over Antarctica.  My (joking) motto is, "If brute force doesn't work, you just aren't using enough."
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2016, 02:22:18 PM »
I've done the math on the gravitational pull. The horizontal forces indeed cancel out like you suggest and you are left with a finite gravitational pull down.

Here it is:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/blog/infinite-flat-earth-mathematics


If the plane is uniform, the gravity would be the same at higher altitudes. If local mass is taken into account and variances of density etc, then it would be less.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2016, 05:10:53 PM »
@ ibelle

Here's mine. I'm sure you'll just do this though:
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Yep, definitely expecting that. I can confirm that your math is correct. Infinite plane does not cause infinite gravitational field to the objects on top of it. But what about the plane itself? Well I started with a line with infinite length and the same Gauss' Law for Gravity.







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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2016, 09:56:27 AM »
Where do you propose it will collapse to disputeone?

The math is irrelevant if it comes to a conclusion that can be disproved. If it collapses, how? To what? To an infinite sphere? Yeah, an infinite sphere is flat.

There must be error here, but I have yet to get some time alone to work through this myself.
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2016, 10:16:18 PM »
I believe it would collapse into a singularity, remember the maths you did only shows that our gravitational attraction on an infinite plane, not the stability of the plane itself.

It's similar to the infinite universe hypothosis, where to avoid gravitational collapse the universe had to be infinite. We now know the universe is expanding so it doesn't necessarily have to be infinite to avoid gravitational collapse.

What are your thoughts on this?
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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2016, 12:28:06 PM »
I've done the math on the gravitational pull. The horizontal forces indeed cancel out like you suggest and you are left with a finite gravitational pull down.

Here it is:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/blog/infinite-flat-earth-mathematics


If the plane is uniform, the gravity would be the same at higher altitudes. If local mass is taken into account and variances of density etc, then it would be less.

Well, the existence of mountains and oceans indicates that the plane is not, strictly speaking, uniform.  It would be possible for these variations to be either significant or insignificant next to the overall thickness of the plane, i.e. if the plane is thin, a mountain is a major deviation in thickness and would result in pronounced gravitiational variation.  Or, if the plane is very thick, the mountain makes no significant difference and gravity is uniform.  Or somewhere in between? 

It seems you'd have to know or approximate how thick such a plane might be to get firm calculations.  Interesting questions.

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Re: What happens at the edge?
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2016, 12:37:38 PM »
We have an idea of how deep it is. The calculation is provided in the link I gave. This doesn't really help though as its ignoring the non-uniform nature and uses a round earth estimate for the density of earth.
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