Why a sphere?

We all (FE believers) know that RE is essentially a NASA fabrication. I'm just wondering why they chose a sphere, and not any other shape. Surely something like a cube would be easier to convince people of, because it allows for the flat horizons we see every day. Any thoughts?

We all (FE believers) know that RE is essentially a NASA fabrication. I'm just wondering why they chose a sphere, and not any other shape. Surely something like a cube would be easier to convince people of, because it allows for the flat horizons we see every day. Any thoughts?

Maybe because all actual obtainable evidences point to the sphere geometry, here is a thread with some explanation amongst the answers about the geometrical necessities of our observations and connections of model and reality. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67031.0

The earth is round, so we represent it as such. I wonder how NASA went back in time to ancient greece, though... Satan is more powerful than I previosuly thought. Gotta send him more blood and cookies.

The earth is round, so we represent it as such. I wonder how NASA went back in time to ancient greece, though... Satan is more powerful than I previosuly thought. Gotta send him more blood and cookies.

It's actually a Myth that ancient Greeks thought the earth was round. There's lots of evidence to suggest that they knew it was flat. Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

Quote from: GlaringEye on June 14, 2016, 03:51:15 PM

The earth is round, so we represent it as such. I wonder how NASA went back in time to ancient greece, though... Satan is more powerful than I previosuly thought. Gotta send him more blood and cookies.

It's actually a Myth that ancient Greeks thought the earth was round. There's lots of evidence to suggest that they knew it was flat. Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

Did you actually read the reference you posted?  It says the opposite of what you claimed. 

Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-Earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. Russell claims "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat", and ascribes popularization of the flat-Earth myth to histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving.[6][7][2]

Should really, really read the source before posting, otherwise you end up looking like an idiot.

We all (FE believers) know that RE is essentially a NASA fabrication. I'm just wondering why they chose a sphere, and not any other shape. Surely something like a cube would be easier to convince people of, because it allows for the flat horizons we see every day. Any thoughts?

Well, NASA did NOT choose the sphere.

The shape of the earth was pretty well settled some 2 millenia ago, and the rotating earth accepted by most people 300 to 400 years ago.

It is a sphere for the same reason the sun, stars and other planets are.  Gravity is proportional with mass and distance.  Enough mass in one spot pulls itself together and begins to aggregate around some central point.  Mass is pulled in from all directions, resulting in a roughly spherical object.  Gravity simply could not produce a non-spherical object, as the mass at the corners of a cube would be pulled toward the center.

It is a sphere for the same reason the sun, stars and other planets are.  Gravity is proportional with mass and distance.  Enough mass in one spot pulls itself together and begins to aggregate around some central point.  Mass is pulled in from all directions, resulting in a roughly spherical object.  Gravity simply could not produce a non-spherical object, as the mass at the corners of a cube would be pulled toward the center.

Correction: gravity can produce non-spherical objects, as is the case for asteroids.  However, large enough objects will collapse into a sphere due to gravity.  That's actually one of the qualifications for a planet. 

Nitpicking
but anyway yes gravity will pull everything towards a center of mass and when everything is the same distance from the center it will make a spherical shape.   

However, large enough objects will collapse into a sphere due to gravity.  That's actually one of the qualifications for a planet.

Pluto . . . the red headed stepchild.   

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 15, 2016, 04:17:47 PM

However, large enough objects will collapse into a sphere due to gravity.  That's actually one of the qualifications for a planet.

Pluto . . . the red headed stepchild.   

Another qualification is that it doesn't cross another planet's orbit.  Hence, Pluto is out. 

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2016, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 15, 2016, 04:17:47 PM

However, large enough objects will collapse into a sphere due to gravity.  That's actually one of the qualifications for a planet.

Pluto . . . the red headed stepchild.   

Another qualification is that it doesn't cross another planet's orbit.  Hence, Pluto is out.

Not to be a dick, but, does Neptune have the right-of-way?

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 16, 2016, 08:16:38 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2016, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 15, 2016, 04:17:47 PM

However, large enough objects will collapse into a sphere due to gravity.  That's actually one of the qualifications for a planet.

Pluto . . . the red headed stepchild.   

Another qualification is that it doesn't cross another planet's orbit.  Hence, Pluto is out.

Not to be a dick, but, does Neptune have the right-of-way?

Pluto got kicked out because it doesn't clear it's orbit of planetesimals, not because of it's orbit crossing Neptune's. If that were the case, then like Bullwinkle pointed out, Neptune could be kicked out, also.

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 16, 2016, 08:16:38 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2016, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 15, 2016, 04:17:47 PM

However, large enough objects will collapse into a sphere due to gravity.  That's actually one of the qualifications for a planet.

Pluto . . . the red headed stepchild.   

Another qualification is that it doesn't cross another planet's orbit.  Hence, Pluto is out.

Not to be a dick, but, does Neptune have the right-of-way?

Of course! Neptune is much bigger! Don't you know the road rules? Might is RIGHT!

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2016, 09:20:31 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 16, 2016, 08:16:38 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2016, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 15, 2016, 04:17:47 PM

However, large enough objects will collapse into a sphere due to gravity.  That's actually one of the qualifications for a planet.

Pluto . . . the red headed stepchild.   

Another qualification is that it doesn't cross another planet's orbit.  Hence, Pluto is out.

Not to be a dick, but, does Neptune have the right-of-way?

Of course! Neptune is much bigger! Don't you know the road rules? Might is RIGHT!

I think people are discriminating against Pluto because it has an orbital disability.

Quote from: rabinoz on June 16, 2016, 10:35:45 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2016, 09:20:31 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 16, 2016, 08:16:38 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2016, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on June 15, 2016, 04:17:47 PM

However, large enough objects will collapse into a sphere due to gravity.  That's actually one of the qualifications for a planet.

Pluto . . . the red headed stepchild.   

Another qualification is that it doesn't cross another planet's orbit.  Hence, Pluto is out.

Not to be a dick, but, does Neptune have the right-of-way?

Of course! Neptune is much bigger! Don't you know the road rules? Might is RIGHT!

I think people are discriminating against Pluto because it has an orbital disability.

The trouble is Pluto doesn't know which side of the road to drive on, left or right of Neptune, and orbital mechanics won't let drive down the middle!

We all (FE believers) know that RE is essentially a NASA fabrication. I'm just wondering why they chose a sphere, and not any other shape. Surely something like a cube would be easier to convince people of, because it allows for the flat horizons we see every day. Any thoughts?

If NASA got to pick whatever they wanted, why not just pick the "flat earth"? Wouldn't it be cheaper to NOT have to "lie" about the shape? You know, more profitable for the powers that be...
There's really not any good reason to lie about the shape. NASA has always been an Aeronautics agency (even before being a Space agency), so they could have still tried to go to the flat earth moon. This would have allowed them to not need to fake anything or guard the south pole!

When you really think about it, the smartest move, would have been to just pick the actual shape of the Earth...

Which, of course, is why they DID "pick" the actual shape!!

We all (FE believers) know that RE is essentially a NASA fabrication. I'm just wondering why they chose a sphere, and not any other shape. Surely something like a cube would be easier to convince people of, because it allows for the flat horizons we see every day. Any thoughts?

Likely due to the Pythagorean Cult.

Let's make a serious turn, please try debunk the sphere effectively, no i'am not talking from ignorance here i read all your "evidences":

1 It's look kinda flat from the surface , uhm yeah really ? globe say the same thing so.... Maybe calculate the height where  the curvature is noticeable and check the photos from that height ?

2 Stuffs can bee seen further than my shitty internet/android calculator that is nowhere scientific level said, uhm really ? Maybe if you dont fucking cherrypicking and actually make a meaningful number of geodetic experiment ? Oh and your sad sad claims about perspective without any base of argument or a model.

3 Spinning forces tear the sphere apart, and gravity crash everybody, because, (oh this is the best ) because some of your top minds sad so, yeah thats it, they just made it up, they cant understand and imagin it so its must be impossible, Where is your calculations ? you just have to use the same fuckin formulas that employed in your cars and buildings, but nay...

So basically flat earthers just parotting youtube bullshit without any critical thinking am I right ?

Prove me wrong

Also, Its the closest thing to both an infinite plane and a closed finite space. Sometimes the best lies are so simple that they have an elegance to them.

Also, Its the closest thing to both an infinite plane and a closed finite space. Sometimes the best lies are so simple that they have an elegance to them.

Sometimes.... Of course, you would have to show it's a lie BEFORE calling it an elegant lie...

The evidence for the Earth being flat has such a large count that it would a burden to list it all in one place. Its so apparently clear that everybody can see it with his or her own eyes.

The evidence for the Earth being flat has such a large count that it would a burden to list it all in one place. Its so apparently clear that everybody can see it with his or her own eyes.

So what you're saying is

It looks flat, and it seems to me like I have a lot of evidence, so why even bother listing any of it?

Not good enough, bud. 

The evidence for the Earth being flat has such a large count that it would a burden to list it all in one place.

• Look out your window
• See 1

Well, that wasn't too much of a burden.

Quote from: John Davis on June 17, 2016, 11:56:00 AM

Also, Its the closest thing to both an infinite plane and a closed finite space. Sometimes the best lies are so simple that they have an elegance to them.

Sometimes.... Of course, you would have to show it's a lie BEFORE calling it an elegant lie...

The question in the OP presumed it was a lie.

Quote from: John Davis on June 17, 2016, 12:18:48 PM

The evidence for the Earth being flat has such a large count that it would a burden to list it all in one place. Its so apparently clear that everybody can see it with his or her own eyes.

So what you're saying is

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It looks flat, and it seems to me like I have a lot of evidence, so why even bother listing any of it?

Not good enough, bud. 

No not what I said at all. Why are you arguing this? See my previous response in this post. Are you just trying to be difficult? The OP wanted to know why they would chose a sphere if it was faked. I have no burden to show it was faked.

I have no burden to show it was faked.

As expected.  I'm saying you never provide substantial proof at all.  Not just in this thread.  All you ever say when asked for proof is

The evidence for the Earth being flat has such a large count that it would a burden to list it all in one place. Its so apparently clear that everybody can see it with his or her own eyes.

or cite the Bedford Level "experiment" which is clearly an outlier and should be ignored when compared to the mountains upon mountains of evidence supporting a globe. 

Well for one, a cube would make it possible to fall off the edge, and it would be impossible to have a wall of ice at every edge. And if it was a cube, airplanes would have a hard time going around the edge. Also, if it was a cube(or really any other shape) it would be a possibility to fall off and NASA wouldn't want u to believe that u can fall off. And they probably didn't think of a flat earth for too long, because there's still a possibility of falling off. So they (or whoever) came up with the idea of gravity, and realized that u can't fall off of the edge if it's a sphere, so they went with a sphere. But when they went to space, they didn't want to admit that they lied to us( I mean, who would?) so they stuck with a sphere.

Well for one, a cube would make it possible to fall off the edge, and it would be impossible to have a wall of ice at every edge. And if it was a cube, airplanes would have a hard time going around the edge. Also, if it was a cube(or really any other shape) it would be a possibility to fall off and NASA wouldn't want u to believe that u can fall off. And they probably didn't think of a flat earth for too long, because there's still a possibility of falling off. So they (or whoever) came up with the idea of gravity, and realized that u can't fall off of the edge if it's a sphere, so they went with a sphere. But when they went to space, they didn't want to admit that they lied to us( I mean, who would?) so they stuck with a sphere.

That was really dumb. 

Quote from: JoshPerplexed on June 17, 2016, 12:07:58 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 17, 2016, 11:56:00 AM

Also, Its the closest thing to both an infinite plane and a closed finite space. Sometimes the best lies are so simple that they have an elegance to them.

Sometimes.... Of course, you would have to show it's a lie BEFORE calling it an elegant lie...

The question in the OP presumed it was a lie.

Well, if we can just make up shit for the sake of argument....

So much for a conclusion following from accurate and consistent premises...