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NASA uses balloons
« on: June 08, 2016, 01:41:53 PM »


It's got solar panels and scientific equipment,

If they are doing it to save money...well there is no point in ever using satellites then.

And private corporations like satTV would do the same thing
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2016, 01:52:12 PM »


It's got solar panels and scientific equipment,

If they are doing it to save money...well there is no point in ever using satellites then.

And private corporations like satTV would do the same thing

Please elaborate your argument here, this is just looks ignorant, like you don't care or don't know about the real application and advantages of satellites

Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2016, 02:03:26 PM »
Everything that claims to be satellite based is either balloons,towers or buoys.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2016, 02:05:04 PM »
Or pseudolites / stratolites / drones / UMA.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2016, 02:10:45 PM »
Or pseudolites / stratolites / drones / UMA.
Everything that claims to be satellite based is either balloons,towers or buoys.

Well, guys maybe you should discuss this with each other or Sandokhan who is perfectly ok with the ISS and space shuttles existence as an FE-er

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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2016, 02:24:59 PM »
Do you think that Sandokhan is the ultimate authority in all matters flat? 

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2016, 02:30:27 PM »
Do you think that Sandokhan is the ultimate authority in all matters flat?

Not really, but you FE ers didnt seem to agree on anything, so how do you want to even challenge RE ?

A working map could be a good start :D We are waiting....

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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2016, 02:39:39 PM »
Do you think that Sandokhan is the ultimate authority in all matters flat?

Not really, but you FE ers didnt seem to agree on anything, so how do you want to even challenge RE ?

A working map could be a good start :D We are waiting....

We went from balloons to discussing the ISS with Sandokhan and now you are once again changing the subject to maps.  How many different ways are you going to try to derail this thread? 

Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2016, 02:47:21 PM »
Do you think that Sandokhan is the ultimate authority in all matters flat?

Not really, but you FE ers didnt seem to agree on anything, so how do you want to even challenge RE ?

A working map could be a good start :D We are waiting....

We went from balloons to discussing the ISS with Sandokhan and now you are once again changing the subject to maps.  How many different ways are you going to try to derail this thread?

This thread is another pointless take on the satellite issue, but ok lets back ontopic, if the OP shows his understanding of RE satellites and formulate an educated question I will happily answer.

Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2016, 05:25:16 PM »
A pseudolite is a tower and a stratolite is a balloon so we're saying the same thing basically
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2016, 06:12:11 PM »
Do you think that Sandokhan is the ultimate authority in all matters flat?

Sandokhan puts thought into his hypothesis and tries to work using the scientific method.

Which is much more than I can say for a lot of flat earthers here.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2016, 08:37:56 PM »
Do you think that Sandokhan is the ultimate authority in all matters flat?
Sandokhan does, and isn't that all that really matters?
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2016, 08:48:56 PM »
To OP . Yes of course they are looking for ways to do things cheaper. Balloons can do some tasks that satellites already do. They definitely can't do all the tasks satellites do.

 But balloon testing is fairly new because they are even more mass limited than satellites and don't stay up long.

But saying that because we Now have balloons being TESTED does not mean they have been in use 50 years ago or even 1 year ago.
You have to show balloons IN USE for this task 50 years ago to prove that it was done then.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2016, 09:02:40 PM »


It's got solar panels and scientific equipment,

If they are doing it to save money...well there is no point in ever using satellites then.

And private corporations like satTV would do the same thing
So what?

"If they are doing it to save money", maybe - but satellites don't stay up there if they are below a few hundred kilometers in altitude and balloons are a lot better at measuring the properties of the atmosphere than a satellite moving at over 7 km/sec, a few hundred km up!

It's horses for course, as they say. 
But keep it up, the desperation of some people to appear to have made the right choice is entertaining!

All the arguments about the impossibility of Satellite TV etc are still exactly the same.

One of them is that these balloons could hardly be above 50 kn altitude, and you are not  going to get much TV range out of that.

And as you completely ignore! We know exactly where all the dishes point and it sure ain't any spot only 50 km high!

The location of the Geostationary Satellites can be located the photographed (with an adequate telescope)
:) and there they are, happily sitting up there, happy as Larry, (relative to us) while the stars seem to whiz by (again relative to us)!  :)

Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2016, 08:06:32 AM »
Super pressure balloons were used to cross the Atlantic in 1974, I don't know when they were invented but if they were able to stay up for that long in '74 then corporations would have used them instead of satellites as they are a fraction of the cost.
They can carry 8000 pounds which is heavier than all small satellites and is in the mid-range of all satellite weight.

BTW: what exactly can a satellite do that multiple balloons can't? (At a fraction of the price)
Once a satellite has been launched it could fail,which is a loss of 300million dollars.....or you could just use a balloon....

According to NASA their balloons program was founded 'more than 30 years ago' which is the exact fuckin timeframe that satellites were being used by the general public :)
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2016, 08:25:29 AM »
BTW: what exactly can a satellite do that multiple balloons can't? (At a fraction of the price)
Stay in the exact same point in the sky for years at a time.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2016, 08:31:12 AM »
This is how a balloon is kept in the same general area

https://www.google.com/loon/how/

They had the tech to do this in the eighties,they would have just had to use computers on the ground to calculate when to raise or lower the balloon

The only new thing Google is doing,is linking them into a high bandwidth network, as opposed to a crappy network for satellite internet
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2016, 08:42:22 AM »
This is how a balloon is kept in the same general area

https://www.google.com/loon/how/

They had the tech to do this in the eighties,they would have just had to use computers on the ground to calculate when to raise or lower the balloon

The only new thing Google is doing,is linking them into a high bandwidth network, as opposed to a crappy network for satellite internet
Meanwhile we know the exact locations of satellites for tv broadcast and location.

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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2016, 08:46:08 AM »
This is how a balloon is kept in the same general area
Same general area is not the same thing as the exact same spot.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2016, 09:45:54 AM »
Super pressure balloons were used to cross the Atlantic in 1974, I don't know when they were invented but if they were able to stay up for that long in '74 then corporations would have used them instead of satellites as they are a fraction of the cost.
They can carry 8000 pounds which is heavier than all small satellites and is in the mid-range of all satellite weight.

BTW: what exactly can a satellite do that multiple balloons can't? (At a fraction of the price)
Once a satellite has been launched it could fail,which is a loss of 300million dollars.....or you could just use a balloon....

According to NASA their balloons program was founded 'more than 30 years ago' which is the exact fuckin timeframe that satellites were being used by the general public :)
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2016, 10:23:43 AM »
OK im going to start a new thread on geosynchronous satellites because I think they use a different system,

Balloons are masquerading as non-synch satellites like GPS, GPS is just a bunch of balloons.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2016, 10:23:56 AM »
Or pseudolites / stratolites / drones / UMA.

Do you want me to calculate how fast those drones would have to be going if they appeared to be like the satellites we can observe from a telescope?
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2016, 10:24:37 AM »


It's got solar panels and scientific equipment,

If they are doing it to save money...well there is no point in ever using satellites then.

And private corporations like satTV would do the same thing

Balloons can't get very high, they can't do much from where they are, they can't stay up there for too long, and they have a limited range.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2016, 10:26:54 AM »
Do you think that Sandokhan is the ultimate authority in all matters flat?

Sandokhan puts thought into his hypothesis and tries to work using the scientific method.

Which is much more than I can say for a lot of flat earthers here.

I don't know. 90% of what he says comes from pure copy-paste, and the remaining is mostly just copy-paste from older posts he made. I've even "caught" him not having read/understood some of what he's written.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2016, 02:24:07 PM »


It's got solar panels and scientific equipment,

If they are doing it to save money...well there is no point in ever using satellites then.

And private corporations like satTV would do the same thing

Balloons can't get very high, they can't do much from where they are, they can't stay up there for too long, and they have a limited range.

You could cross the Atlantic in them in 1974,unless you mean transmitter range,multiple balloons make up for that.they can stay up for over 100 days well worth the money.
They can do anything a satellite can do...8000lb capacity.
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2016, 03:00:20 PM »


It's got solar panels and scientific equipment,

If they are doing it to save money...well there is no point in ever using satellites then.

And private corporations like satTV would do the same thing
Balloons can't get very high, they can't do much from where they are, they can't stay up there for too long, and they have a limited range.
You could cross the Atlantic in them in 1974,unless you mean transmitter range,multiple balloons make up for that.they can stay up for over 100 days well worth the money.
They can do anything a satellite can do...8000lb capacity.
Yes, but where are they? Are they invisible?
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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2016, 04:27:22 PM »
Around 110,000ft in the air, not visible
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2016, 05:32:12 PM »
Around 110,000ft in the air, not visible
How many?
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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2016, 07:21:18 PM »
What kind of area could a transmitter cover from 110,000ft?
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Re: NASA uses balloons
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2016, 07:36:02 PM »
What kind of area could a transmitter cover from 110,000ft?
Is that 110,000.000 feet? Or is it 109,999.68 feet? What is it?
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