NASA 'lies'

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 01:30:59 PM

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

You must be joking.

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 01:30:59 PM

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

You must be joking.

Quote from: Silicon on May 31, 2016, 02:19:08 PM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 01:30:59 PM

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

You must be joking.

I'm not joking at all. Internet searches for 'NASA lies' just come up with conspiracy theories. Are there any actual, documented lies?

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 02:39:39 PM

Quote from: Silicon on May 31, 2016, 02:19:08 PM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 01:30:59 PM

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

You must be joking.

I'm not joking at all. Internet searches for 'NASA lies' just come up with conspiracy theories. Are there any actual, documented lies?

Is NASA lying?  Is Water Wet? I just did a search for 'is water wet' and Google says it isn't.

Quote from: Silicon on May 31, 2016, 02:47:30 PM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 02:39:39 PM

Quote from: Silicon on May 31, 2016, 02:19:08 PM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 01:30:59 PM

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

You must be joking.

I'm not joking at all. Internet searches for 'NASA lies' just come up with conspiracy theories. Are there any actual, documented lies?

Is NASA lying?  Is Water Wet? I just did a search for 'is water wet' and Google says it isn't.

So you've been taking it for granted that NASA lies, without realizing that you have no evidence.  Now that someone is calling you out on that, you're trying to shift the blame onto them.

Quote from: Blue_Moon on May 31, 2016, 03:28:03 PM

Quote from: Silicon on May 31, 2016, 02:47:30 PM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 02:39:39 PM

Quote from: Silicon on May 31, 2016, 02:19:08 PM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 01:30:59 PM

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

You must be joking.

I'm not joking at all. Internet searches for 'NASA lies' just come up with conspiracy theories. Are there any actual, documented lies?

Is NASA lying?  Is Water Wet? I just did a search for 'is water wet' and Google says it isn't.

So you've been taking it for granted that NASA lies, without realizing that you have no evidence.  Now that someone is calling you out on that, you're trying to shift the blame onto them.

Nice try.

Quote from: Silicon on May 31, 2016, 02:47:30 PM

Is NASA lying?  Is Water Wet? I just did a search for 'is water wet' and Google says it isn't.

So you've been taking it for granted that NASA lies, without realizing that you have no evidence.  Now that someone is calling you out on that, you're trying to shift the blame onto them.

NASA and every government agency in the world, including 100's of other industries HAVE to lie en mass for the flat earth conspiracy to work.
With out a super global conspiracy they have nothing.

It would be interesting to try to estimate the percentage of the earths population which would have to be lying about a flat earth.

Quote from: disputeone on June 01, 2016, 02:24:19 AM

It would be interesting to try to estimate the percentage of the earths population which would have to be lying about a flat earth.

As I wrote somewhere here a month or so ago, we (me an my colleagues) did try such exercise on a lazy friday eve. I admit, we weren't exactly sober, but we estimated some 40% population of our country (Ukraine) to have to keep quiet since mid 50s. This includes all sorts of astronomers, geodesists, rocket designers and builders, politicians and local authorities obviously, accountants in all related government institutions... And lots and lots of other people of various specialities indirectly involved in building the rockets and satellites for USSR/Russia, e.g. people on metalwork factories making rocket/satellite parts, tracking stations, observatories...
Not sure how it extrapolates to entire Earth, but I imagine it's still a huge chunk of Earth population. If there was a hoax making all these people's jobs impossible, it would've slipped out over all this time.

For example local authorities or the people making rocket/satellite parts do not necessarily know that what they are working on is a fraud.

NASA never admits its lies, they just make the lie an industry standard. For example, if NASA says that they have a satellite in polar orbit, then everyone believes that they have a satellite in polar orbit. No need to prove this claim or anything, it just becomes "true."

(If you want to be nitpicking you can include every person (equipped with a bit common sense) in the southern hemisphere.

Edit: Oh right, I forgot: We have google earth, which maps our planet as a globe with quite accurate precision (say we allow a 5% error in measured distances in google earth). Then the earth can not be flat, since curvature is invariant under isometries (saying if we map something and preserve distances, then we also preserve curvature). So (especially in the southern hemisphere) the distances have to be very different from the ones provided by google earth. Noone noticed until now, so many people in the southern hemisphere have to be included in the conspiracy.

Quote from: Kami on June 01, 2016, 03:59:01 AM

For example local authorities or the people making rocket/satellite parts do not necessarily know that what they are working on is a fraud.

That thought is a mistake. You're assuming people tiny parts of a huge machine don't wonder what they're doing or why is this piece have to be shaped exactly like this, or a boss not wanting to learn how exactly this part classifies for reports, and additionally what it would cost on black market. While there are such exceptions among "common workers" they are that - exceptions. Most people will poke everyone around and turn entire internet upside-down in search what the hell they're making. They may not exactly need it since they have a drawing but most people are curious about weirdly shaped parts, you know. And again, taking our local realities into account... they'll what to know if it's profitable to try and sneak one "extra" that "nobody would notice" out and resell personally.

NASA never admits its lies, they just make the lie an industry standard. For example, if NASA says that they have a satellite in polar orbit, then everyone believes that they have a satellite in polar orbit. No need to prove this claim or anything, it just becomes "true."

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 02:39:39 PM

Quote from: Silicon on May 31, 2016, 02:19:08 PM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on May 31, 2016, 01:30:59 PM

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

You must be joking.

I'm not joking at all. Internet searches for 'NASA lies' just come up with conspiracy theories. Are there any actual, documented lies?

Is NASA lying?  Is Water Wet? I just did a search for 'is water wet' and Google says it isn't.

Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

Quote from: Kami on June 01, 2016, 03:59:01 AM

For example local authorities or the people making rocket/satellite parts do not necessarily know that what they are working on is a fraud.

That thought is a mistake. You're assuming people tiny parts of a huge machine don't wonder what they're doing or why is this piece have to be shaped exactly like this, or a boss not wanting to learn how exactly this part classifies for reports, and additionally what it would cost on black market. While there are such exceptions among "common workers" they are that - exceptions. Most people will poke everyone around and turn entire internet upside-down in search what the hell they're making. They may not exactly need it since they have a drawing but most people are curious about weirdly shaped parts, you know. And again, taking our local realities into account... they'll what to know if it's profitable to try and sneak one "extra" that "nobody would notice" out and resell personally.

NASA lies about Newton's 3rd Law. as it claims both Forces can be exerted on the same Object yet still result in Motion.

This is basically like saying I can lift myself off the ground by pulling on my bootlaces.

This one Big Lie invalidates pretty much all the rest of their claims.

You're asking for times when a well funded agency admitted to lying?
Or
When authorities admitted NASA lied?

There are two press conferences you might want to look at, the apollo11 press conference where they seem like they just got buttfucked,rather than returning from the most amazing mission never.
And the mars Rover press conference where the Elvis haired lead engineer can't answer any of the crowds questions

Quote from: Papa Legba on June 05, 2016, 02:16:14 AM

NASA lies about Newton's 3rd Law. as it claims both Forces can be exerted on the same Object yet still result in Motion.

This is basically like saying I can lift myself off the ground by pulling on my bootlaces.

This one Big Lie invalidates pretty much all the rest of their claims.

No you just don't understand Newton's third. And in this case the fact that one object becomes two and that net momentum is zeroes each new object moves away from each other. ie a rocket and its fuel.

Quote from: Mainframes on June 05, 2016, 02:35:21 AM

Quote from: Papa Legba on June 05, 2016, 02:16:14 AM

NASA lies about Newton's 3rd Law. as it claims both Forces can be exerted on the same Object yet still result in Motion.

This is basically like saying I can lift myself off the ground by pulling on my bootlaces.

This one Big Lie invalidates pretty much all the rest of their claims.

No you just don't understand Newton's third. And in this case the fact that one object becomes two and that net momentum is zeroes each new object moves away from each other. ie a rocket and its fuel.

You say I don't understand N3 then write garbage like that?

Let us never forget, 'Mainframes', that you did not even know the Newtonian definition of the term 'Force' until I told you...

Toodle-pip, Walter Mitty!