Explain this, Flat-Earthers!

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Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« on: May 27, 2016, 08:38:02 PM »
Alright. Here it comes.

Antarctic Summer.

At the region directly around the southernmost part of the Earth, which here I will refer to as the South Pole (despite your claims that there is no such thing.) In the area directly around the south pole, you know, the area at the very edge of your Earth? Well, it experiences 24-hour sun around the summer solstice. Therefore, on your model, the sun would have to illuminate the entire Earth at once. This would mean that nowhere on Earth would it be night! Explain that!

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Kami

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Re: Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2016, 02:27:26 AM »
Normally, flat earthers claim that the antarctic summer does not exist. Otherwise one would have to introduce really bendy light.

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rabinoz

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Re: Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2016, 03:19:26 AM »
Normally, flat earthers claim that the antarctic summer does not exist. Otherwise one would have to introduce really bendy light.
This might be interesting. It shows the sunrise, sunset and daylight hours at the South Pole and the North Pole for a few days either side of the equinox in March 2016.

BOTH the South Pole and the North Pole have 24 hour sun at the two Equinoxes.

Equinox 2016-03 South Pole


Equinox 2016-03 North Pole

Yes, for a couple of days either side of the Equinox BOTH poles get 24 hour daylight. Explain that on the Flat Earth
Of course, the handle that like all other contrary evidence - deny it!

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Kami

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Re: Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2016, 05:04:58 AM »
Of course this is just part of the conspiracy. I mean, if these phenomena existed, the FE-model with the sun moving in circles above the plane would be undeniably wrong, right?

Re: Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2016, 05:33:33 AM »
Of course this is just part of the conspiracy. I mean, if these phenomena existed, the FE-model with the sun moving in circles above the plane would be undeniably wrong, right?

And it is! They just deny any evidence that makes it wrong! Why? Because they are incredibly stubborn, in that they will never admit they are wrong, even though they undeniably are!

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Jadyyn

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Re: Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2016, 06:36:00 AM »
Alright. Here it comes.

Antarctic Summer.

At the region directly around the southernmost part of the Earth, which here I will refer to as the South Pole (despite your claims that there is no such thing.) In the area directly around the south pole, you know, the area at the very edge of your Earth? Well, it experiences 24-hour sun around the summer solstice. Therefore, on your model, the sun would have to illuminate the entire Earth at once. This would mean that nowhere on Earth would it be night! Explain that!
The Sun using a "spotlight" affect is invoked:

This is what is supposed to happen with the Sun acting like a "spotlight". When FEers say "spotlight", a nice normal cone-shaped spotlight is visualized by people (this is a FE deception that sounds somewhat reasonable initially). This only happens on a couple days of the FE year (~June, hence the deception). The rest of the year the spotlight is weird. No explanation is ever given for why such odd shapes (a "perfect" straight line during the equinox, or an "anti-spotlight" during the Antarctic Summer) happen.

Furthermore, because of problems or the lack of Astronomy 101 knowledge, what is never discussed is that virtually EVERYTHING in the FE sky/heavens must exhibit a "spotlight" affect (the "spotlight" having different shapes depending on latitude at the same time). The Moon, planets, some stars, nebulas and galaxies, travel in the same area of the sky as the Sun - the ecliptic. So this "spotlight" needs to affect EVERYTHING in the sky somehow. It must be an atmospheric (atmoplanic?) phenomenon.

This also implies, contrary to some people's knowledge of how the FE concept needs to fit together, that the Sun does NOT illuminate the Moon - the Moon is self-illuminating. Now how it does that becomes another question. This leads to bizarre explanations like Moonshramps. This is an example of one explanation "fitting" one situation ("spotlight") causing more problems down the line (self-illuminating Moon) with more bizarre explanations (Moonshramps) as each level has to account for the effects of the previous level(s).
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“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.” W.C. Fields.
"The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

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Bullwinkle

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Re: Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2016, 07:24:32 PM »
They just deny any evidence that makes it wrong! Why? Because they are incredibly stubborn, in that they will never admit they are wrong, even though they undeniably are!


How much effort would it take on your part to stop
trying to beat us into submission?

Do you also visit quilting fora and berate them
for not buying their blankets at Walmart?

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Blue_Moon

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Re: Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2016, 07:46:57 PM »
They just deny any evidence that makes it wrong! Why? Because they are incredibly stubborn, in that they will never admit they are wrong, even though they undeniably are!


How much effort would it take on your part to stop
trying to beat us into submission?

Do you also visit quilting fora and berate them
for not buying their blankets at Walmart?

"Watch me try and guilt the invading roundies into submission!"

"But that trick never works!"

"This time for sure!"

[fails miserably]

"Wrong tactic!"

"I think a 7 1/2!"
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rabinoz

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Re: Explain this, Flat-Earthers!
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2016, 08:07:33 PM »
They just deny any evidence that makes it wrong! Why? Because they are incredibly stubborn, in that they will never admit they are wrong, even though they undeniably are!


How much effort would it take on your part to stop
trying to beat us into submission?

Do you also visit quilting fora and berate them
for not buying their blankets at Walmart?
Couldn't care less about those like you, but there are some interested in finding out the massive problems with the whole idea of your "Pizza Planet"[1].

[1] Apologies to the "real Pizza Planet".