The sickest video of returning from space ever

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1050 on: July 18, 2016, 05:00:51 AM »
^^^the sticky gauge love fest continues.

Do your own thread about sceptimatic. Not what the thread is about and not going to alleviate the massive pile of crap asserted here by markjo, mainframes, John, and Geoff.

Crap pile one: CoP/CoG relationship OVERRULED by type of control (active or passive) system used by rocckitt;
Crap pile two: Geoff clearly wrote the Saturn V had NO FINS!

Anyone can feel free to read the thread. It is no wonder the sock puppet accounts were brought out to bury this massive fail by shitposting off topic nonsense.

Sticky Gage?   ....  Says the little troll who's never read a precision pressure or vacuum gage in his entire deprived life.   Tap tap ...    anybody home?

Rockets don't  specifically need fins,  provided the CG is above the CP,   fins will lower the CP,  but if the CG is high enough in relation to the CP fins aren't required.   

You do however,   require a brain to understand how simple this is.

And,  I nearly forgot,  yes,  you can  control an inherently unstable rocket with a well designed control system.

No hayseed, the original statement made by your sock puppet Mainframes and unanimously supported by all of you bull shit artists was the CoP/CoG relationship was somehow, amazingly rendered NULL AND VOID by the type of control system utilized.

GFY!

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1051 on: July 18, 2016, 05:17:15 AM »

No hayseed, the original statement made by your sock puppet Mainframes and unanimously supported by all of you bull shit artists was the CoP/CoG relationship was somehow, amazingly rendered NULL AND VOID by the type of control system utilized.

GFY!

That's correct,  what don't you understand about the capability of control systems?     (Hayseed? hey Daryl we got a live one here!)   

 If we are talking Saturn V,  then you need to read this http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/tn_d-5869_1970023342.pdf 

 

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1052 on: July 18, 2016, 05:37:21 AM »
Anyway, has scepti answered yet?
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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1053 on: July 18, 2016, 05:43:13 AM »

Crap pile one: CoP/CoG relationship OVERRULED by type of control (active or passive) system used by rocckitt;
Crap pile two: Geoff clearly wrote the Saturn V had NO FINS!

Whatever rubbish you claim, the CoP/CoG relationship is certainly OVERRULED by dynamic control - look at all the references I gave you! - Oops, sorry, I should have realised that you can't read!

NO rocket can ever have any aerodynamic stability until it is moving, fins of NOT.
Still, we can hardly expect any knowledge of "Rocket Science" from a mere Attack Terrier!

The important point is still that large space-rockets ( ;D they do get up your nose don't they  ;D) do not rely on fins or aerodynamic stability during normal ascent - especially as recent ones do not have any fins at all!

In case you missed it the first two times:
The Saturn went up stabilised WITHOUT the assistance aerodynamic fins! The "aerodynamic fins" played no part in the normal ascent. Do I need to say it more?

Get over it! Large rockets do not rely on "aerodynamic stability", and "Most large rockets, in fact, become unstable as speed increases.  The control system typically works hardest in the stratosphere, where the rocket is at high speed in air that is still fairly thick, and where winds are often strong.  They go back to being neutrally stable as the air thins out and aerodynamic forces become insignificant."

Surely even the Puppies attack Terrier can see that when the rocket has no vertical velocity there simply can be no aerodynamic stability.
Sorry, I know that's a stupid question! You haven't the slightest idea what "dynamic stability" means.

Whatever the TotalIdiot and his boss Puppy say, the Delta Rockets went up, Saturn Rockets went up, the Ariane Rockets went up and the Space-X Rockets went up without relying on aerodynamic fins for stability!

 
   
The Delta rocket family and Delta IV Heavy launch  - look real hard and you will find "Look Ma no FINS!" - neat and sleek without fins aren't they?

Ever checked how many fins on the Falcon 9 in this post!  ;D ;D Carefully count all the fins on the Falcon 9 while you avidly watch every second of this launch!  ;D ;D
Re: SpX-9/CRS-9 Launch and Landing Attempt « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2016, 11:55:49 PM » I didn't find ANY!

 ;D I wonder why it didn't fall over, not even when landing back on the barge! Maybe it relied entirely on yes dynamic stability!  ;D

What about discussing the material and not trying to score points nit-picking about little errors?

Yes, I know that neither the strangely absent chief Puppy nor his attack (Grr!) Terrier have any idea about "rocket science" to discuss, so all you can do is nit-pick.
The real Puppie has proved he knows nothing with his seemingly endless repetitions of his latest long-past-use-by-date Copy Pasta - Yuk!
Go crawl back into your kennel until your master comes home

Have a nice day counting fins on modern rockets!

Bye, bye.

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1054 on: July 18, 2016, 05:45:59 AM »

No hayseed, the original statement made by your sock puppet Mainframes and unanimously supported by all of you bull shit artists was the CoP/CoG relationship was somehow, amazingly rendered NULL AND VOID by the type of control system utilized.

GFY!

That's correct,  what don't you understand about the capability of control systems?     (Hayseed? hey Daryl we got a live one here!)   

 If we are talking Saturn V,  then you need to read this http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/tn_d-5869_1970023342.pdf
Dis you tell the Puppie's attack terrier "you need to read"? That's a waste of time attack terrier's can't read!

Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1055 on: July 18, 2016, 05:50:54 AM »

Crap pile one: CoP/CoG relationship OVERRULED by type of control (active or passive) system used by rocckitt;
Crap pile two: Geoff clearly wrote the Saturn V had NO FINS!

Whatever rubbish you claim, the CoP/CoG relationship is certainly OVERRULED by dynamic control - look at all the references I gave you! - Oops, sorry, I should have realised that you can't read!

NO rocket can ever have any aerodynamic stability until it is moving, fins of NOT.
Still, we can hardly expect any knowledge of "Rocket Science" from a mere Attack Terrier!

The important point is still that large space-rockets ( ;D they do get up your nose don't they  ;D) do not rely on fins or aerodynamic stability during normal ascent - especially as recent ones do not have any fins at all!

In case you missed it the first two times:
The Saturn went up stabilised WITHOUT the assistance aerodynamic fins! The "aerodynamic fins" played no part in the normal ascent. Do I need to say it more?

Get over it! Large rockets do not rely on "aerodynamic stability", and "Most large rockets, in fact, become unstable as speed increases.  The control system typically works hardest in the stratosphere, where the rocket is at high speed in air that is still fairly thick, and where winds are often strong.  They go back to being neutrally stable as the air thins out and aerodynamic forces become insignificant."

Surely even the Puppies attack Terrier can see that when the rocket has no vertical velocity there simply can be no aerodynamic stability.
Sorry, I know that's a stupid question! You haven't the slightest idea what "dynamic stability" means.

Whatever the TotalIdiot and his boss Puppy say, the Delta Rockets went up, Saturn Rockets went up, the Ariane Rockets went up and the Space-X Rockets went up without relying on aerodynamic fins for stability!

 
   
The Delta rocket family and Delta IV Heavy launch  - look real hard and you will find "Look Ma no FINS!" - neat and sleek without fins aren't they?

Ever checked how many fins on the Falcon 9 in this post!  ;D ;D Carefully count all the fins on the Falcon 9 while you avidly watch every second of this launch!  ;D ;D
Re: SpX-9/CRS-9 Launch and Landing Attempt « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2016, 11:55:49 PM » I didn't find ANY!

 ;D I wonder why it didn't fall over, not even when landing back on the barge! Maybe it relied entirely on yes dynamic stability!  ;D

What about discussing the material and not trying to score points nit-picking about little errors?

Yes, I know that neither the strangely absent chief Puppy nor his attack (Grr!) Terrier have any idea about "rocket science" to discuss, so all you can do is nit-pick.
The real Puppie has proved he knows nothing with his seemingly endless repetitions of his latest long-past-use-by-date Copy Pasta - Yuk!
Go crawl back into your kennel until your master comes home

Have a nice day counting fins on modern rockets!

Bye, bye.

CoG/CoP is not overruled by type of control system you stupid bastard. You have nothing. Not one of your sources make this claim.

Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1056 on: July 18, 2016, 05:53:42 AM »

No hayseed, the original statement made by your sock puppet Mainframes and unanimously supported by all of you bull shit artists was the CoP/CoG relationship was somehow, amazingly rendered NULL AND VOID by the type of control system utilized.

GFY!

That's correct,  what don't you understand about the capability of control systems?     (Hayseed? hey Daryl we got a live one here!)   

 If we are talking Saturn V,  then you need to read this http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/tn_d-5869_1970023342.pdf

Stupid moron. Find the language specifically claiming CoP/CoG relationship is overruled by type of control system. Ain't there is it...

But you have no problem claiming it.

Quick, get on the rewrite...

Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1057 on: July 18, 2016, 09:50:16 AM »

No hayseed, the original statement made by your sock puppet Mainframes and unanimously supported by all of you bull shit artists was the CoP/CoG relationship was somehow, amazingly rendered NULL AND VOID by the type of control system utilized.

GFY!

That's correct,  what don't you understand about the capability of control systems?     (Hayseed? hey Daryl we got a live one here!)   

 If we are talking Saturn V,  then you need to read this http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/tn_d-5869_1970023342.pdf

Stupid moron. Find the language specifically claiming CoP/CoG relationship is overruled by type of control system. Ain't there is it...

But you have no problem claiming it.

Quick, get on the rewrite...

Page 8 - 9 from that document:
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During propulsion, the attitude control system must appropriately orient the thrust vector relative to the vehicle such that the required attitude commands are performed in a satisfactorily damped mode of rotation. Problems in vehicle control arise because Saturn vehicles cannot be considered rigid but must be treated as distributed masses connected by an elastic structure. Forces acting on these masses resulting from atmospheric perturbations or active control of the vehicle excite the complex spring-mass system and cause body bending. Since the structure possesses low damping, oscillatory bending modes of considerable amplitude can be produced; the control sensors may be subjected to these large amplitude oscillations at their particular location. Thus incorrect information about the total vehicle behavior may cause self-excitation and instability of the vehicle control system.

Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere. As an example, Figure 6 is a plot of the center of pressure and the center of mass for the first phase of the Saturn V and shows that the vehicle is unstable except for a short period of time around the 60th flight second.

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1058 on: July 18, 2016, 10:12:21 AM »
Stupid moron. Find the language specifically claiming CoP/CoG relationship is overruled by type of control system. Ain't there is it...
Have you done the calculations that show that the CoP is forward of the CoG of the booster as it's descending?  If so, I'd really like to see them.
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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1059 on: July 18, 2016, 10:49:24 AM »
Then have a word with your little snappy dog. Whack his nose with a newspaper or whatever. If I don't get an apology from your snappy dog within the next 5 minutes, he ruins it for you and we will have no further correspondence as regards my dome and diagrams leading up to the building and workings of it.
Looking for any excuse not to answer Rayzor, aren't you?  How terribly dishonest.

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1060 on: July 18, 2016, 10:51:31 AM »
Then have a word with your little snappy dog. Whack his nose with a newspaper or whatever. If I don't get an apology from your snappy dog within the next 5 minutes, he ruins it for you and we will have no further correspondence as regards my dome and diagrams leading up to the building and workings of it.
Looking for any excuse not to answer Rayzor, aren't you?  How terribly dishonest.
Are you his handler?

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1061 on: July 18, 2016, 11:02:39 AM »
Are you his handler?

No, Rayzor works for the Illuminati and I'm an agent of the reptilians.  Entirely independent organizations with different misinformation specialists.

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1062 on: July 18, 2016, 01:34:36 PM »
Are you his handler?

No, Rayzor works for the Illuminati and I'm an agent of the reptilians.  Entirely independent organizations with different misinformation specialists.
At least you're honest. I assume you're being honest. I mean, you have no need to lie, have you?

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1063 on: July 18, 2016, 02:12:43 PM »
Are you his handler?

No, Rayzor works for the Illuminati and I'm an agent of the reptilians.  Entirely independent organizations with different misinformation specialists.
At least you're honest. I assume you're being honest. I mean, you have no need to lie, have you?

To lie, no.  To joke, yes.   ::)

Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1064 on: July 18, 2016, 02:16:36 PM »

No hayseed, the original statement made by your sock puppet Mainframes and unanimously supported by all of you bull shit artists was the CoP/CoG relationship was somehow, amazingly rendered NULL AND VOID by the type of control system utilized.

GFY!

That's correct,  what don't you understand about the capability of control systems?     (Hayseed? hey Daryl we got a live one here!)   

 If we are talking Saturn V,  then you need to read this http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/tn_d-5869_1970023342.pdf

Stupid moron. Find the language specifically claiming CoP/CoG relationship is overruled by type of control system. Ain't there is it...

But you have no problem claiming it.

Quick, get on the rewrite...

Page 8 - 9 from that document:
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During propulsion, the attitude control system must appropriately orient the thrust vector relative to the vehicle such that the required attitude commands are performed in a satisfactorily damped mode of rotation. Problems in vehicle control arise because Saturn vehicles cannot be considered rigid but must be treated as distributed masses connected by an elastic structure. Forces acting on these masses resulting from atmospheric perturbations or active control of the vehicle excite the complex spring-mass system and cause body bending. Since the structure possesses low damping, oscillatory bending modes of considerable amplitude can be produced; the control sensors may be subjected to these large amplitude oscillations at their particular location. Thus incorrect information about the total vehicle behavior may cause self-excitation and instability of the vehicle control system.

Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere. As an example, Figure 6 is a plot of the center of pressure and the center of mass for the first phase of the Saturn V and shows that the vehicle is unstable except for a short period of time around the 60th flight second.

Stupid is as stupid does...Do you honestly think the quoted text describes CoP/CoG as being null and void due to active control?

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1065 on: July 18, 2016, 02:43:03 PM »

No hayseed, the original statement made by your sock puppet Mainframes and unanimously supported by all of you bull shit artists was the CoP/CoG relationship was somehow, amazingly rendered NULL AND VOID by the type of control system utilized.

GFY!

That's correct,  what don't you understand about the capability of control systems?     (Hayseed? hey Daryl we got a live one here!)   

 If we are talking Saturn V,  then you need to read this http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/tn_d-5869_1970023342.pdf

Stupid moron. Find the language specifically claiming CoP/CoG relationship is overruled by type of control system. Ain't there is it...

But you have no problem claiming it.

Quick, get on the rewrite...

Page 8 - 9 from that document:
Quote
During propulsion, the attitude control system must appropriately orient the thrust vector relative to the vehicle such that the required attitude commands are performed in a satisfactorily damped mode of rotation. Problems in vehicle control arise because Saturn vehicles cannot be considered rigid but must be treated as distributed masses connected by an elastic structure. Forces acting on these masses resulting from atmospheric perturbations or active control of the vehicle excite the complex spring-mass system and cause body bending. Since the structure possesses low damping, oscillatory bending modes of considerable amplitude can be produced; the control sensors may be subjected to these large amplitude oscillations at their particular location. Thus incorrect information about the total vehicle behavior may cause self-excitation and instability of the vehicle control system.

Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere. As an example, Figure 6 is a plot of the center of pressure and the center of mass for the first phase of the Saturn V and shows that the vehicle is unstable except for a short period of time around the 60th flight second.

Stupid is as stupid does...Do you honestly think the quoted text describes CoP/CoG as being null and void due to active control?
Do you honestly think that active stability controls can't overcome a certain amount of instability caused by CoP/CoG issues? 

How stable do you think this thing was?
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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1066 on: July 18, 2016, 07:16:25 PM »
Are you his handler?

No, Rayzor works for the Illuminati and I'm an agent of the reptilians.  Entirely independent organizations with different misinformation specialists.
At least you're honest. I assume you're being honest. I mean, you have no need to lie, have you?

Hi sceptimatic,  you can relax,   I'm not going to call you out on your failure to honour your promises,   it seems that you have bigger problems to contend with,  and I don't like to kick a man when he's down.  Others will have already come to their own conclusions.

And in other news, the Illuminati pay rates have dropped this year,  so I'm jumping ship to work for the reptilians.   AdamSK,  I'll see you at the company picnic no doubt.   Plus I hear the lizards have a special deal on moon base holidays coming up... 



Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1067 on: July 18, 2016, 07:50:25 PM »
Page 8 - 9 from that document:
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Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere. As an example, Figure 6 is a plot of the center of pressure and the center of mass for the first phase of the Saturn V and shows that the vehicle is unstable except for a short period of time around the 60th flight second.

Stupid is as stupid does...Do you honestly think the quoted text describes CoP/CoG as being null and void due to active control?
You ask "Do you honestly think the quoted text describes CoP/CoG as being null and void due to active control?" YES!

Can you read? Part of the quote says:
"Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere."

The Saturn V (and most modern rockets) can be "aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere".

What that means in simple terms is that the "CoP/CoG" relationship is wrong for "aerodynamic stability", and so these vehicles must rely on dynamic stability provided by vectored thrust (either vanes in the exhaust or gimbaled engines).

Yes, you did claim "Stupid is as stupid does", you describe your ignorance so well!

Still, what you expect when you claim your knowledge is far superior to all the experts in the field!

And NO, I am not one of those experts - not by a long shot! But I can read and understand what I read.

And, can I make mistakes? Of course I can, but I am prepared to admit it, unlike a lot of self-styled experts here!

   

Delta IV Heavy launch  - "Look Ma no FINS!"
Neat and sleek without fins isn't it?
Wonder why it doesn't fall over?
Maybe it's dynamic stability!

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1068 on: July 18, 2016, 08:35:08 PM »
Rabinoz....do you really feel it will help attempting to debate using factual information against someone like legbot's pet rat terrier?


Rayzor...your understanding of sceptimatics dis honest approach is quite showing of your character.
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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1069 on: July 18, 2016, 08:39:10 PM »
Psh

Wings...

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1070 on: July 19, 2016, 12:13:21 AM »
Rabinoz....do you really feel it will help attempting to debate using factual information against someone like legbot's pet rat terrier?


Rayzor...your understanding of sceptimatics dis honest approach is quite showing of your character.

No - but just possibly others might see what the facts are and not fall the legbot's pet rat terrier rubbish.

As far as I am concerned it's more important presenting the right information than winning an argument.

He can nit-pick all he likes, but it doesn't make him factually correct!

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1071 on: July 19, 2016, 12:23:22 AM »
Are you his handler?

No, Rayzor works for the Illuminati and I'm an agent of the reptilians.  Entirely independent organizations with different misinformation specialists.
At least you're honest. I assume you're being honest. I mean, you have no need to lie, have you?

To lie, no.  To joke, yes.   ::)
I took it as you telling the truth. Are you saying you are lying to me by disguising it as a joke?

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1072 on: July 19, 2016, 12:29:52 AM »
Are you his handler?

No, Rayzor works for the Illuminati and I'm an agent of the reptilians.  Entirely independent organizations with different misinformation specialists.
At least you're honest. I assume you're being honest. I mean, you have no need to lie, have you?

Hi sceptimatic,  you can relax,   I'm not going to call you out on your failure to honour your promises,   it seems that you have bigger problems to contend with,  and I don't like to kick a man when he's down.  Others will have already come to their own conclusions.

And in other news, the Illuminati pay rates have dropped this year,  so I'm jumping ship to work for the reptilians.   AdamSK,  I'll see you at the company picnic no doubt.   Plus I hear the lizards have a special deal on moon base holidays coming up...
Are you seriously going to try and make out that you didn't receive your email?

Open your email. Do a virus check if you think it's suspicious. It's just a large file that's all.
The follow up email which you should have got 5 minutes after the first is the video of the build. The person narrating it is my uncle.


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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1073 on: July 19, 2016, 01:06:33 AM »
Are you seriously going to try and make out that you didn't receive your email?

Open your email. Do a virus check if you think it's suspicious. It's just a large file that's all.
The follow up email which you should have got 5 minutes after the first is the video of the build. The person narrating it is my uncle.

No,  and the simple reason is you didn't send it.   Why you are now choosing to pretend you did, isn't my problem that's something you and your conscience has to resolve.

If you are insisting that you really did send it,  what can you offer as proof.    Screen snapshot of your sent email folder would do.

My email works fine.   

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1074 on: July 19, 2016, 01:45:04 AM »

No,  and the simple reason is you didn't send it.   Why you are now choosing to pretend you did, isn't my problem that's something you and your conscience has to resolve.

If you are insisting that you really did send it,  what can you offer as proof.    Screen snapshot of your sent email folder would do.

My email works fine.   

This is an extreme shame, this is exactly what others have said would happen. Obviously this is not the first time nor will be the last. It's a shame, I had high hopes for scepti, he didn't seem like this type of person.

Also accusing rayzor of lying about it, that is just low. He has been so cool about the whole thing. With your constant lies, most would have been going off by now. Even with you accusing him of lying, he is still cordial.

No - but just possibly others might see what the facts are and not fall the legbot's pet rat terrier rubbish.

As far as I am concerned it's more important presenting the right information than winning an argument.

He can nit-pick all he likes, but it doesn't make him factually correct!

Ok, I stand corrected...I didn't really think of it this way. However, a concern of mine, there are still people that might fall for the Legba camp due to a few of their techniques despite solid evidence in the contrary.

Power of repetition and using trigger words such as everyone and so forth can sway weaker minded people. This would be the target audience for people of that camp. Someone of that mind set will fall for those subtle techniques more so than evidence and that is what worries me.

However, that still doesn't mean not to try...also, sadly I think it would be called for to use the Legba camp techniques to fight against them, not for spreading disinformation as they do.

At the same time, do two wrongs EVER make a right??
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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1075 on: July 19, 2016, 02:44:54 AM »

No,  and the simple reason is you didn't send it.   Why you are now choosing to pretend you did, isn't my problem that's something you and your conscience has to resolve.

If you are insisting that you really did send it,  what can you offer as proof.    Screen snapshot of your sent email folder would do.

My email works fine.   

This is an extreme shame, this is exactly what others have said would happen. Obviously this is not the first time nor will be the last. It's a shame, I had high hopes for scepti, he didn't seem like this type of person.

Also accusing rayzor of lying about it, that is just low. He has been so cool about the whole thing. With your constant lies, most would have been going off by now. Even with you accusing him of lying, he is still cordial.

No - but just possibly others might see what the facts are and not fall the legbot's pet rat terrier rubbish.

As far as I am concerned it's more important presenting the right information than winning an argument.

He can nit-pick all he likes, but it doesn't make him factually correct!

Ok, I stand corrected...I didn't really think of it this way. However, a concern of mine, there are still people that might fall for the Legba camp due to a few of their techniques despite solid evidence in the contrary.

Power of repetition and using trigger words such as everyone and so forth can sway weaker minded people. This would be the target audience for people of that camp. Someone of that mind set will fall for those subtle techniques more so than evidence and that is what worries me.

However, that still doesn't mean not to try...also, sadly I think it would be called for to use the Legba camp techniques to fight against them, not for spreading disinformation as they do.

At the same time, do two wrongs EVER make a right??
Get your own house in order before commenting on mine.

Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1076 on: July 19, 2016, 04:32:26 AM »

No hayseed, the original statement made by your sock puppet Mainframes and unanimously supported by all of you bull shit artists was the CoP/CoG relationship was somehow, amazingly rendered NULL AND VOID by the type of control system utilized.

GFY!

That's correct,  what don't you understand about the capability of control systems?     (Hayseed? hey Daryl we got a live one here!)   

 If we are talking Saturn V,  then you need to read this http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/tn_d-5869_1970023342.pdf

Stupid moron. Find the language specifically claiming CoP/CoG relationship is overruled by type of control system. Ain't there is it...

But you have no problem claiming it.

Quick, get on the rewrite...

Page 8 - 9 from that document:
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During propulsion, the attitude control system must appropriately orient the thrust vector relative to the vehicle such that the required attitude commands are performed in a satisfactorily damped mode of rotation. Problems in vehicle control arise because Saturn vehicles cannot be considered rigid but must be treated as distributed masses connected by an elastic structure. Forces acting on these masses resulting from atmospheric perturbations or active control of the vehicle excite the complex spring-mass system and cause body bending. Since the structure possesses low damping, oscillatory bending modes of considerable amplitude can be produced; the control sensors may be subjected to these large amplitude oscillations at their particular location. Thus incorrect information about the total vehicle behavior may cause self-excitation and instability of the vehicle control system.

Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere. As an example, Figure 6 is a plot of the center of pressure and the center of mass for the first phase of the Saturn V and shows that the vehicle is unstable except for a short period of time around the 60th flight second.

Stupid is as stupid does...Do you honestly think the quoted text describes CoP/CoG as being null and void due to active control?
Do you honestly think that active stability controls can't overcome a certain amount of instability caused by CoP/CoG issues? 

How stable do you think this thing was?


Depends on how much you think your pretty plane relates to rocketry and the topic at hand...

I got a clue for you: IT DOESN'T HAVE A FUCKING THING TO DO WITH ANYTHING WE ARE DISCUSSING.

Jesus, you are fucking dense or something.

Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1077 on: July 19, 2016, 04:35:45 AM »
Page 8 - 9 from that document:
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Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere. As an example, Figure 6 is a plot of the center of pressure and the center of mass for the first phase of the Saturn V and shows that the vehicle is unstable except for a short period of time around the 60th flight second.

Stupid is as stupid does...Do you honestly think the quoted text describes CoP/CoG as being null and void due to active control?
You ask "Do you honestly think the quoted text describes CoP/CoG as being null and void due to active control?" YES!

Can you read? Part of the quote says:
"Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere."

The Saturn V (and most modern rockets) can be "aerodynamically unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere".

What that means in simple terms is that the "CoP/CoG" relationship is wrong for "aerodynamic stability", and so these vehicles must rely on dynamic stability provided by vectored thrust (either vanes in the exhaust or gimbaled engines).

Yes, you did claim "Stupid is as stupid does", you describe your ignorance so well!

Still, what you expect when you claim your knowledge is far superior to all the experts in the field!

And NO, I am not one of those experts - not by a long shot! But I can read and understand what I read.

And, can I make mistakes? Of course I can, but I am prepared to admit it, unlike a lot of self-styled experts here!

   

Delta IV Heavy launch  - "Look Ma no FINS!"
Neat and sleek without fins isn't it?
Wonder why it doesn't fall over?
Maybe it's dynamic stability!

You win stupidity of the year award. It does not even come close to interpreting in the fashion you state. The CoP/CoG relationship in rocketry remains intact and cannot be nullified. Unless you find something that states SPECIFICALLY this is the case, you are all busted. So GFY collective selves.

I already know you will not find anything of the sort in writing.

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1078 on: July 19, 2016, 05:00:20 AM »
Get your own house in order before commenting on mine.

If you are referring to his vacuum chamber,   I should point out he  hasn't  pretended to have finished it and made a video.    You have.

Did you do a screen shot of your email out box yet?   


Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: The sickest video of returning from space ever
« Reply #1079 on: July 19, 2016, 06:05:26 AM »

You win stupidity of the year award. It does not even come close to interpreting in the fashion you state. The CoP/CoG relationship in rocketry remains intact and cannot be nullified. Unless you find something that states SPECIFICALLY this is the case, you are all busted. So GFY collective selves.

I already know you will not find anything of the sort in writing.

The "CoP/CoG relationship" in most modern rocket is such that without "dynamic stability control" they would be unstable.

And THAT is what I and others have been trying to hammer into you all along.

I think you have the wrong person wining your prestigious award! You win the "You win stupidity of the year award." hands down.

Do you really claim "I already know you will not find anything of the sort in writing"?

What does page 9 of Apollo Documents tn_d-5869_1970023342.pdf look like?

Now it does not contain the exact words "The CoP/CoG relationship", but how do YOU interpret the following words:
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Another problem is that the vehicles are aerodynamlcally unstable during most of the propelled flight in the atmosphere. As an example, Figure 6 is a plot of the center of pressure and the center of mass for the first phase of the Saturn V and shows that the vehicle is unstable except for a short period of time around the 60th flight second.
from page 9 of the above document! and here is the figure:

Surely, even you are smart enough to interpret this "plot of the enter of pressure and the center of mass".

In that figure you can see clearly see that the Centre of Pressure (CoP) is forward of the Centre of Mass (CoG) for almost all the flight. In other words the Saturn V is purely reliant on the vectored thrust from the gimballed engines for stability - ie dynamic stability!

If you have some other interpretation of all of this, please explain it carefully.