Opinions on the Merger

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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2016, 07:53:22 AM »
They just want a unified userbase!
I don't think that's what anyone on our side claims, and if it came across that way, I would suggest it's a simple miscommunication. Then again, I shouldn't be speaking for others, so here's my own view in a nutshell:

A unified userbase is an important and arguably main benefit to me, but absolutely not the sole one. Providing visitors with a single port of call rather than a number of fragmented resources is another. More traffic to the combined site is a mutual benefit (and yes, we'd be getting a bigger boost than you - there, I said it).

However, I personally don't think that we should be downgrading our services to accommodate that - I'd rather have a smaller site that provides a good service to its members than a large website that doesn't work so well. As such, I'd be a strong supporter of keeping our homepage (which anyone can easily post announcements to), our more-up-to-date-wiki, and our slicker forum setup. If anything, I would say that the technical implementation of this site has questionable value.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2016, 09:12:02 AM »
Ran a quick test. grepped out the ips from the guest list then threw them at a spam database api.  18 / 114 were marked as spam bots with over 50% confidence.  With 10% (a very generous confidence, meaning they are only 10% confident it is a spammer) this jumps to just 30/114. With 1% we jump to 35/114.

To me this is a good indicator that a large number of our guests are lurkers.

Obviously there are flaws with this method as no db is going to have all the spammers. Its hard to assess a false-negative rate in general, let alone here. I could add more calls to other databases, but it certainly doesn't seem necessary. Perhaps I'll add this lookup to some key performance hog pages, though its hard to believe any one page would be more of a performance hog than waiting on a foreign hosted api.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2016, 09:38:04 AM »
You're still not getting it. Some of the defectors go on about how terrible this forum is, as if it has no value and nothing to offer. They just want a unified userbase! I'm calling bullshit on that. This site is active, this site gets tons of noobs, this site gets tons of views (even if a good deal of them are spambots). This is the site people come to after one of John Davis, or Daniel's interviews. They built this up, and Daniel has foot the bill. Value.

This is not a hateful message!

So, your objection to the merger (or at least this objection) is that you believe some people on the other site are misrepresenting their motives for the merger? As in, they say this site has nothing to offer but a combined userbase and you disagree with what they say and don't want to merge because of it.

Do I have that correct or am I completely misreading you?

I'm not trying to be hateful either, I don't think any discussion will get very far if we are hateful to one another.

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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2016, 10:04:51 AM »
You're still not getting it. Some of the defectors go on about how terrible this forum is, as if it has no value and nothing to offer. They just want a unified userbase! I'm calling bullshit on that. This site is active, this site gets tons of noobs, this site gets tons of views (even if a good deal of them are spambots). This is the site people come to after one of John Davis, or Daniel's interviews. They built this up, and Daniel has foot the bill. Value.

This is not a hateful message!

So, your objection to the merger (or at least this objection) is that you believe some people on the other site are misrepresenting their motives for the merger? As in, they say this site has nothing to offer but a combined userbase and you disagree with what they say and don't want to merge because of it.

Do I have that correct or am I completely misreading you?

I'm not trying to be hateful either, I don't think any discussion will get very far if we are hateful to one another.

This was my objection to the way it was/is being negotiated. If they wanted a friendly merger they should stop acting like this site is a shithole with nothing to offer, or that Daniel owes them the database.  There's an underlying dislike of John Davis that drives a lot of this, which I don't get because he's almost always been nice about things. When he says something out of order he apologizes for it. People say lots of nasty shit to him, so it should be understandable that he snaps back sometimes.

My main objection to the merger is that it's unnecessary. Everyone who posts over there are still welcome to post here, even Thork!  Why should Daniel hand it all over to people he doesn't know and isn't friends with? John has been steadily making the technical side better, and no matter how good Parsifal is, no one is perfect. Any forum that draws this kind of attention is going to lag or have downtime now and then.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2016, 10:41:24 AM »
If they wanted a friendly merger they should stop acting like this site is a shithole with nothing to offer, or that Daniel owes them the database.

Can you name anyone who acts like this, aside from Thork?

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There's an underlying dislike of John Davis that drives a lot of this, which I don't get because he's almost always been nice about things. When he says something out of order he apologizes for it. People say lots of nasty shit to him, so it should be understandable that he snaps back sometimes.

In actuality, most of his resentment towards us is completely unprovoked. He employed a hostile word filter against us without provocation, and called us terrorists and deplorable human beings without provocation. Apologies hardly mean anything if you continue to repeat your mistakes.

Despite that, I don't think it's true that a dislike for John is driving this conversation. If anything, the opposite is true. If we weren't willing to cooperate with him, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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My main objection to the merger is that it's unnecessary. Everyone who posts over there are still welcome to post here, even Thork!  Why should Daniel hand it all over to people he doesn't know and isn't friends with? John has been steadily making the technical side better, and no matter how good Parsifal is, no one is perfect. Any forum that draws this kind of attention is going to lag or have downtime now and then.

Let me ask you this: don't you want the userbase to be unified? Because that really is the crux of the issue. You might think it's unnecessary, but even if you think there's any benefit to having a unified userbase, I think it warrants discussion. We both miss out on a huge amount of discussions that could be better served in a single forum, and for those who do use both sites it's a nuisance to have to browse two different sites and talk to two different sets of users.

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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2016, 11:40:37 AM »
I think there definitely is quite a bit of dislike towards me. If I recall, the last time we had these talks, it was explicitly declared that I would have no part of the Society at all. On your forums, there's a funny little thread about me masturbating with piss stained pants that is fairly recent.
Negotiations were not short. John reclined into his dilapidated arm chair. Little chunks of yellow stuffing adorned the floor and an old dog blanket with matted tassels hung limply over the chair's arms. The room stunk like someone had slaughtered a soaking sheep in there several months before, but the reality was more disgusting. The rotting microbes from John's breath had filled the room as the slow-witted mouth-breather rolled his eyes up into his head to contemplate. John swigged from a super-market home-brand vodka bottle, clutched in his grubby nicotine stained paws. How could he still retain power and be Lord of the Flat Earth? Master of all.

A noisy blue arsed fly was lapping triangles above his head but he paid it no attention. Those evil bastards had created another website. One that worked exactly like the one he loved, only the page load times were significantly improved and its users didn't have to put up with his shit as an out of control admin. They had to be crushed.

Stage one would be a delaying tactic. By promising a merger would happen, the terrorist faction would not be in such a rush to duplicate and improve on features such as the wiki and social media platforms. They'd also struggle with things like membership packs and a shop.
Stage two would be a smear campaign. Ensure that anyone who listened was told they were impostors. Had no legitimacy. Were all shills. Had herpes. Were immigrants. And most damning of all, worked for NASA.
Stage three ... eliminate their existence from the records. Remove all links to their site, ban talk of it on the forums, inform media outlets that they are just a parody and expunge them from wikipedia.
Stage four, start legal proceedings. Claim their wiki is somehow your own. It doesn't matter that they wrote it. Claim the name 'flat earth society' as a trademark despite it being in the common lexicon for over 200 years.

With the first four stages complete, parasite Davis licked his greasy lips. Stage five. Having amassed a fortune in T-shirt money, it was time to call an old acquaintance. Davis pulled his iPhone 2 out of his jacket. Pocket detritus filled the cracks in the screen but enough still worked to make a call. 'Calling Lord Steven Christ'. Lord Steven Christ was every bit as unhinged as Davis. This wide-eyed fuckwit had been making videos on youTube for the last year about how round the earth was. He'd stay up until the early hours making live streams, calling out flat earthers to debate him. His massive square head lit up from a single bulb and the rest of the room in darkness, which if Davis' room is anything to go by is a blessing.

"Is that you Christ?", asked Davis in a raspy tone. "Davissssss" hissed Lord Steven. "What can I do for you, Master?"
"I need you to whack a few flat earthers for me. Don't leave any trail. They just need to disappear ... like Daniel." the lack of remorse in Davis' voice chilled even the untalented youTuber.
"$2000 per hit. You know how much I love killing flat earthers. Do you have that kind of money?" asked Lord Steven greedily.
"You should see how many people are waiting for hoodies. I've got shit loads of cash. The targets are as follows." Davis rattled off the names.
"No Dubay or Powerland?" Lord Steven asked, unable to hide his disappointment. "If we don't do it soon master, Dubay will become flexible enough to suck his own cock and put it on youtube! My youTube!".
"Stick to the list, I'll wire you the money. Unless you'd like some T-shirt credit instead?" The phone clicked dead. Davis knew the rules. No takebacksies.

Davis put down his phone and began undoing his trousers. Stuffing one of his hairy little hands into his urine caked y-fronts, he began to masturbate aggressively. Alcohol abuse and chain smoking had deadened his manhood as he tugged away at his flaccid unwashed tiddler. Within a couple of minutes he'd nodded off unfulfilled and proceeded to snore loudly, hand still clasping his chipolata.

So in answer to the OP, no ... the merger is not going ahead because this is the kind of individual we are having to deal with.  >o<

Like Rowbotham, truth is so much in my favor that I can well afford to be dainty in my selection:

"John Davis is crazier than a barrel full of raccoons."

"I won't miss Davis one bit. He's like Daniel's little poodle. Yap yap yap. "

"It is a shame Wilmore, Davis and Shenton all insist on continuing despite none of them actually wanting to put any effort into improving things. They just drag the name through the mud again."

"I'm certainly done now. I thought I could appeal to John Davis' tech knowledge, only to find out that he has no clue what he's talking about."

"John Davis drinks. He's better avoided."

"Maybe they are finally pulling the plug? I doubt it though. Davis and Shenton aren't that classy."

"John Davis also runs a FES chapter of his own in Tennessee his head."

"Actually, it looks like John Davis is having his 54th go at building a successful flat earth website.
http://theflatearthsociety.net/

Its full of his usual nonsensical stories

Quote from: http://theflatearthsociety.net/contexts.html
Eshu was walking down a road one day, wearing a hat that was red on one side and black on the other. Sometime after he entered a village which the road went through, the villagers who had seen him began arguing about whether the stranger's hat was black or red. The villagers on one side of the road had only been capable of seeing the black side, and the villagers on the other side had only been capable of seeing the red one. They soon came to blows over the disagreement which caused him to turn back and rebuke them, revealing to them how one's perspective can be as correct as another person's even when they appear to be diametrically opposed to each other. He then left them with a stern warning about how closed-mindedness can cause one to be made a fool.

As parables go, that's a pretty awful one. I have to wonder what goes through his mind. Does he think this is clever? Or would he get into a fight over the colour of someone's hat?

The whole site is filled with this uninteresting garbage."

"Like it says, though, Eshu was apparently a trickster deity, and I suspect that this story was meant to be more of an illustration of his trollish nature than a sincere fable about the need to broaden one's mind and consider other perspectives.  It's not a bad moral to teach, but there are other fables that teach it in a much better way, like the one about three guys arguing over what color a chameleon they saw is.  That one works better because we already understand that chameleons can change color, but at the same time we can appreciate that someone who didn't know anything about chameleons wouldn't expect that at all.  A guy walking down the street wearing a multicolored hat, however, is just silly."

"John Davis: I'M SUPER SERIAL GUISE DON'T POST I AM TRYING 2 FIX FORUM THAT I BROKE"

" It was mostly James and John Davis that made ridiculously quotable posts,"

"We had a bit of an incident with a serial murderer killing everyone who walked in. We've dispatched John Davis to resolve this, so you should expect the zoo to be a safe space in approx. 1-2147483648 days." response: "pp when will you stop mentioning jd get over it"

"If there's a process in place to free the site of tyrants or useless leaders we won't have to worry about a John Davis type situation. "

"John has made a powerful enemy."

"Didn't John Davis start a religion where he said he was god?"

Name 10 idiots: "4. John Davis (since that yo mama for some reson doesent cownt even tho im going on a hot date with her and your sister tonite! OHHHHH!!!!!! SWAG x10000000!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2016, 11:50:28 AM »
That said, I hope that's not what is driving this conversation. However, this isn't meant to be a conversation with you guys about the merger. It was supposed to be one with our userbase to see if they actually wanted it. I'm not seeing anybody that wants it that isn't already at Voldemort.org
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2016, 12:25:21 PM »
That's fine, I just wanted to clear up misconceptions that we want a "hostile takeover" or some other ridiculous notion like that. If these misconceptions are the basis on which your side are forming their views, they should be addressed, no?

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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2016, 12:50:04 PM »
Of course. I think there are some misconceptions on both sides.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2016, 03:06:51 PM »
Blanko, if you read this (I don't wanna post a huge quote thingy) -

I don't actually long for a unified userbase. I'm not seeing what the benefit of that is, other than having the gang all together again. (I miss some of you nerds, of course.) Maybe you guys should think about creating a unique FE website. Come up with your own names for forums, find your own direction. I've been a member of several spinoff boards over the years, but none of them copied the forum they spun off from like you guys have done.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #70 on: May 27, 2016, 10:01:20 PM »
Maybe you guys should think about creating a unique FE website. Come up with your own names for forums, find your own direction. I've been a member of several spinoff boards over the years, but none of them copied the forum they spun off from like you guys have done.

Aside from the forum names, which work well and I don't see a reason to change, we haven't really copied anything. We had the same theme for a while, but only because our forum started as a way of testing themes for the contest here a while back. In other words, we had the tintagel_fes theme before you did. Our forum rules are original, our homepage content is original, and our wiki is original -- barring a few duly credited descriptions of theories posited here.

Perhaps more importantly, we never wanted to be a spinoff forum. My own preference, and that of some others, was to help improve this one. There are numerous threads and other private correspondence prior to the schism where I offered (increasingly impatiently, I'll admit) to help with a problem this site was having, only to be ignored without so much as a "no thank you", or even a "fuck off".

The sole reason we created our site in the first place is that we were never given the time of day when we tried to make things better here. Being expected to come up with something of our own, when all we ever wanted was to improve what we already had, is missing the point.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2016, 03:12:33 AM »
On your forums, there's a funny little thread about me masturbating with piss stained pants that is fairly recent.
I thought you already said you know that Thork isn't to be taken seriously?

Also, the same forum has multiple posts about Parsifal and me having sex. A thread about Parsifal being a gorilla. A thread dedicated to insulting Thork. The sense of humour of some of our posters may be crude, but it's hardly targeted.

And it's not like there wasn't a precedent of that happening here. Let's be serious.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2016, 08:06:11 AM »
On your forums, there's a funny little thread about me masturbating with piss stained pants that is fairly recent.
I thought you already said you know that Thork isn't to be taken seriously?

Also, the same forum has multiple posts about Parsifal and me having sex. A thread about Parsifal being a gorilla. A thread dedicated to insulting Thork. The sense of humour of some of our posters may be crude, but it's hardly targeted.

And it's not like there wasn't a precedent of that happening here. Let's be serious.
Fair enough, then hopefully my reply isn't too much there.

Anyways, I'm not really interested in a bunch of drama fighting. If this is what it degrades to, then theres no point in a merger.

The wiki is largely derivative and contains portions of mine and Daniels work, and I'm sure other members you didn't get permission from before you released them under a license we didn't agree to. But I don't think we are going to get anything out of bringing up ancient history.

What I'm seeing right now is that none of the moderators on our side are interested. None of the users are interested. Its really just me, Pongo and the absent Wilmore. It might be best to wait a few months, act nicely to each other (other than Thork, cause Thork), and re-evaluate then. What do you think?

Another option is perhaps a smaller concession from both sides. Something like treating your group as a branch of the larger Society. See how that goes, then move forward later.

I have no doubt you did what you did because you felt it was what was best for the FES forums. I have no doubt thats why you are here today, talking about the merger. I have no doubt we both know we both have value. I suggest we stop going on about the past, myself included (lolz terrorism).
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2016, 09:02:13 AM »
Fair enough, then hopefully my reply isn't too much there.
As far as I can tell, everyone thought it was hilarious.

What I'm seeing right now is that none of the moderators on our side are interested. None of the users are interested. Its really just me, Pongo and the absent Wilmore. It might be best to wait a few months, act nicely to each other (other than Thork, cause Thork), and re-evaluate then. What do you think?

Another option is perhaps a smaller concession from both sides. Something like treating your group as a branch of the larger Society. See how that goes, then move forward later.
Personally, I like the sound of both ideas. However, I fear that neither will ever be feasible or popular if the userbase of this site is exposed to stuff like jroa's "those other guys stole our site" narrative, especially when it goes unchecked and uncorrected. Eliminating this sort of misinformation (on both sides) is essential to reaching agreements. Is addressing these sort of issues what you mean by "acting nicely to each other"?
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2016, 11:10:11 AM »
Much as I hate the nasty little bastard, Thork's story was hilarious. Especially the bit about Daniel having been "disappeared" - because it's so accurate. It was pretty mean to John though, and much as I slag him off for his pathetic FE arguments, he is one of the most civilised FE'ers and I can't understand the level of hatred.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #75 on: May 28, 2016, 07:32:27 PM »
He's said to me that those sort of things will end. Another issue that came up is that you guys seem to have some visibility into our private forums. I'm sure its a matter of one of ours simply talking about stuff he figured was public enough, and I don't really know the details, but it would be nice if that kinda stuff would stop as well.

Let's move forward with the smaller concession plan. I'll drop by at some point this week and we can talk it over.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #76 on: May 28, 2016, 07:32:56 PM »
And yes, Thork's post was quite funny.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #77 on: May 28, 2016, 08:16:02 PM »
They just want a unified userbase!
I don't think that's what anyone on our side claims,



All we want out of this is a unified userbase,



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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #78 on: May 28, 2016, 09:30:38 PM »
So much drama.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #79 on: May 28, 2016, 11:08:48 PM »
What I'm seeing right now is that none of the moderators on our side are interested. None of the users are interested. Its really just me, Pongo and the absent Wilmore. It might be best to wait a few months, act nicely to each other (other than Thork, cause Thork), and re-evaluate then. What do you think?

Indeed, it doesn't look particularly promising at the moment. It just seems like a lot of the objections raised in this thread are based on misinformation, either about the merger or about what we want out of it. I agree with SexWarrior's point about stopping that kind of thing.

Personally, I've always striven to be nice to you guys, as I've never really had anything against this forum. I will request that our users act nicely and make it clear that it is a two-way street.

Another option is perhaps a smaller concession from both sides. Something like treating your group as a branch of the larger Society. See how that goes, then move forward later.

Sounds good to me, depending on how the specifics turn out of course.

I have no doubt you did what you did because you felt it was what was best for the FES forums. I have no doubt thats why you are here today, talking about the merger. I have no doubt we both know we both have value. I suggest we stop going on about the past, myself included (lolz terrorism).

Agreed.

He's said to me that those sort of things will end. Another issue that came up is that you guys seem to have some visibility into our private forums. I'm sure its a matter of one of ours simply talking about stuff he figured was public enough, and I don't really know the details, but it would be nice if that kinda stuff would stop as well.

How did that issue come up? I'm just curious what you've seen, in case I can identify the source of it. Feel free to PM me the information if you'd rather not draw attention to it here.

While we obviously can't stop people with access to that forum talking about it if they want to, I will ask them to stop if I see it happening. That said, it might not even be apparent if they don't mention the source of the information, so I can't make any guarantees.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2016, 07:51:54 PM »
He's said to me that those sort of things will end. Another issue that came up is that you guys seem to have some visibility into our private forums. I'm sure its a matter of one of ours simply talking about stuff he figured was public enough, and I don't really know the details, but it would be nice if that kinda stuff would stop as well.

How did that issue come up? I'm just curious what you've seen, in case I can identify the source of it. Feel free to PM me the information if you'd rather not draw attention to it here.

While we obviously can't stop people with access to that forum talking about it if they want to, I will ask them to stop if I see it happening. That said, it might not even be apparent if they don't mention the source of the information, so I can't make any guarantees.

I'm curious about this as well.

Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2016, 04:45:05 AM »
I have a concern that some of the denizens of the other forum still like to pretend that some of the concepts that have been largely dumped by this forum are still viable.
For example, the ridiculous (and long disproved) bendy light theory, which the FE'ers here have dropped since it is readily shown not to fit observations. I notice Parsifal still has "Bendy Light Specialist" on his profile. Then there's the large presence of Peeping Tom Bishop and his restoration of invisible items with a telescope, which also does not fit observations except - magically - by Bishop himself.
These two characters cannot be argued with on their pretense of these beliefs, because they do not engage with the counterarguments. However, incorporating them among the FE'ers on this forum will give the impression to newcomers that these ideas have some sort of validity. This will throw the progress of FE research (which has come up with many more advanced ideas) back by several years.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #82 on: May 30, 2016, 06:33:42 AM »
[EAT] is readily shown not to fit observations.
If it's so easy, why haven't you done it yet in an appropriate thread?

Tom Bishop and his restoration of invisible items with a telescope, which also does not fit observations except - magically - by Bishop himself.
Or, you know, plenty of other people who successfully reproduced his results. If you'd like to present some evidence to the contrary, I once again invite you to do so in the right place.
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« Reply #83 on: May 30, 2016, 11:45:36 AM »
[EAT] is readily shown not to fit observations.
If it's so easy, why haven't you done it yet in an appropriate thread?

Tom Bishop and his restoration of invisible items with a telescope, which also does not fit observations except - magically - by Bishop himself.
Or, you know, plenty of other people who successfully reproduced his results. If you'd like to present some evidence to the contrary, I once again invite you to do so in the right place.

To respond to the EAT question - this is exactly what I mean by non-engagement with the counterarguments. There are plenty all over this site which a cursory search would easily find, yet Pizza Hackit pretends that these threads do not exist.
 
To respond to the Magic Bishop Restoration - again, there are many accounts (and even photographic evidence) in many places on this forum demonstrating that this effect does not occur, but of course the pretence that there aren't any is trotted out again. Note also that he makes a claim that "plenty of other people successfully reproduced his results" without naming any of them. My statements can be verified by a search of the forum - his cannot, because they are lies.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #84 on: May 30, 2016, 12:01:19 PM »
 People are allowed to post their theories, even if you don't like them, or don't like how they engage. What's it got to do with "Opinions on the Merger" tho?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #85 on: May 30, 2016, 12:12:05 PM »
People are allowed to post their theories, even if you don't like them, or don't like how they engage. What's it got to do with "Opinions on the Merger" tho?

That's my whole point - they ARE allowed to post their theories, and there are theories among the FE'ers on that site that FE'ers on this site don't support, because they've been critically looked at and FET has moved on from them. I wanted to be sure that Mr Davis et al were happy to let the progress made on FET that has happened on this site by debunking these comical ideas, be thrown in the garbage by joining up with a site that is fundamentally behind the times when it comes to FET. Everyone has been working on the premise that the only difference between their site and ours is the personalities involved, when that's not quite true.
It's a bit like asking a modern medicine forum if they're happy to merge with the homeopathic witchdoctor's forum.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #86 on: May 30, 2016, 02:39:17 PM »
It's a valid point. With some recent changes and upcoming changes we are radically shifting the position of the Society (while we don't ever have an official model, we still have ones that end up getting emphasized on our user facing content) to bring us towards two models: the non-euclidean and the infinite plane both which function with or without firmament. This might leave some of your users uneasy about the whole thing. Especially since they weigh heavily on Rowbotham and we are attempting to reunite with the efforts of Johnson and Shenton.

Its reasons like this that the 'Chapter of the FES' idea really shines. You guys also have a lighter view of things, often mixing serious debate with humor. While I've been known to do that as well, its certainly not the same as it once was here.

Something to keep in mind, but I doubt its a deal breaker. We are after all an organization of free-thinkers.
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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2016, 03:15:06 PM »
People are allowed to post their theories, even if you don't like them, or don't like how they engage. What's it got to do with "Opinions on the Merger" tho?

That's my whole point - they ARE allowed to post their theories, and there are theories among the FE'ers on that site that FE'ers on this site don't support, because they've been critically looked at and FET has moved on from them. I wanted to be sure that Mr Davis et al were happy to let the progress made on FET that has happened on this site by debunking these comical ideas, be thrown in the garbage by joining up with a site that is fundamentally behind the times when it comes to FET. Everyone has been working on the premise that the only difference between their site and ours is the personalities involved, when that's not quite true.
It's a bit like asking a modern medicine forum if they're happy to merge with the homeopathic witchdoctor's forum.

Oh, okay. I see what you're saying.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Opinions on the Merger
« Reply #88 on: June 02, 2016, 09:26:40 AM »
Opinions have been gathered. I will have a discussion with the other side at some point. Thanks everybody for your participation and patience.
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