How has flat earth changed your life?

Quote from: amoracanoe on May 23, 2016, 07:13:08 PM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on May 23, 2016, 06:16:40 PM

Quote from: John Davis on May 23, 2016, 07:32:23 AM

To answer the OP a bit more fully, the flat earth has changed my life forever. It changed the path of my life, it showed me the error of my ways. I likely would have lived a completely different life without the flat earth in it.

Not only do I no longer scoff at religion and other views I used to think of as "stupid", I carry that with me in all I do. I now see differently, and I have eyes that see, ears that hear.

I hold it partially responsible for my conversion experience as well, one of the singular most important things to happen to me, despite its poisoned circumstance.

Despite the fact I haven't found solid evidence of the earth being flat, or converted to a flat earth believer. It is really cool to see an ideology has had such an effect on you for the positive.

Rather if I think you are right or wrong in some of your opinions, I do know you live by "I am wise for I know one thing, that I know nothing".. and that mentality will always get a hat tip from me. Though I don't wear hats even though I live in Texas, but if I wore a hat I would tip it in your direct

Socrates, nice. I do feel that a sense of aloofness and superiority plays constantly with strong beliefs, it gives the sense of being wise and all knowing. I have really enjoyed people sharing their views and thoughts. I am by nature a calm person and I always have been. What I do know is that myself, personally has been deceived, I was told I didn't have authority over my bc, that's was deception. I was told I had to have a ssn in order to become an np and work in the usa, that was deception. And I was told that I was required by law to hand over roughly 1/3 of all the money I ever make in my life to a legal entity of the federal government, and that was the biggest deception of all. How do I know I (and I'm only speaking for myself) had been deceived? I was able to do all the things they said I couldn't. When I first started reading about the fet, it didn't really have any conflicting affects on me and I realized it was because I play no role in it, I know longer contribute to the federal budget program so if NASA wants to cover up a flat earth, that's cool, I'm not paying. If NASA is legit and they want to go to every planet, that's cool, I'm not paying. Once I took out the financial aspect, it really made no difference in my life. I think because I know the possibility of deception exists, I have been able to it remain partial to people's ideas. But mostly I do enjoy people's want for truths (whatever they may be). I've already stood for my beliefs and it was amazing and learning to not have that instant emotional reaction to every event or idea that has the possibility for deception has made that possible. Am I wise? Hell no! My toddler licks windows, wise people don't let their kids lick windows haha.

Why do you think I started my own business straight out of college? Sure it wasnt the only reason but surely one of them. Business income tax is Constitutional and goes towards legitimate causes. Personal income tax is not constitutional, most of the proceeds go towards interest to the federal Reserve which is bogus in itself. Who has a Fiat money system but pays someone interest to make said worthless money. Fiat is fine, otherwise 3 quarters of Americans job would be digging gold lol, but the government needs control to print. Such a quality scam.

Not to mention income tax is a form of control and wealth disbursement.

Sorry...i shall discontinue my rant

I don't think it was a rant, you spoke truth, we tend to take the George Carlin approach to the federal government. I'm very happy I went through the process before my son was born, if he wants to be property of the government when he's older then he can be.... but I doubt he will be. So, I know you're on the round side of this (I think), in your opinion is there a solution to this argument? Do you think opting out funding NASA would decrease controversy? Do you think an increase in awareness of the limits of personal income tax would help calm the flat side because their no longer responsible financially? Or would increase in awareness cause too many people to leave the system and severely decrease funding to the program? Or is this literally the "turtles all the way down" argument?

What influence does your belief that the earth is flat have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?

I'll go right back to the OP. I am not a "Flat Earther", but since seeing the arguments on this site and doing more research on the topic than ever before, I am now much more sure of my conviction that the Earth is a Globe orbiting the Sun.

All the arguments that it's philosophical, or a xxxxx plot^[1] are just a distraction. The earth is a physical object capable of inspection and the properties can be determined.

But, as soon as we claim the findings of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Cavendish and even Einstein we get told that they were Papist, Alchemists, Sunworshippers, Autistic, Freemasons or something else.

No, whether the earth is a Globe or not is simply a physical present day fact to be determined by the available evidence. Once we start excluding evidence simply because it goes against our cherished beliefs is simply being dishonest.

So many drag in distractions about Cosmology, Evolution and understanding the cause of Gravitation that distract from the simple determination of the "shape of the earth". Over the centuries it has been measured in every way you can think, so we can determine the shape it we just look at the evidence.

From what I have seen the idea of a NASA conspiracy did not come till well into the "space age". Back when Sputnik I was launched (yes, I remember it well, it was on my birthday) I was with radio HAMS. Your would have been laughed at if you denied that satellite's existence! The "Sputnik Beep" coming through on 20.007 MHz was pretty distinctive - try to figure out how the Russians could fake that in 1957!



[1] In place of "xxxxx" insert one or more of NASA, Rosicrucian, Illuminati, FreeMasons, Jesuit, Zionist, Papist, the Brotherhood and a few others. I have not yet heard of Mormon, but maybe someone will come out with it.

I don't think it was a rant, you spoke truth, we tend to take the George Carlin approach to the federal government. I'm very happy I went through the process before my son was born, if he wants to be property of the government when he's older then he can be.... but I doubt he will be. So, I know you're on the round side of this (I think), in your opinion is there a solution to this argument? Do you think opting out funding NASA would decrease controversy? Do you think an increase in awareness of the limits of personal income tax would help calm the flat side because their no longer responsible financially? Or would increase in awareness cause too many people to leave the system and severely decrease funding to the program? Or is this literally the "turtles all the way down" argument?

My honest opinion, I think we are "fucked" in every way in america at least. The dumbing down and brain washing that has been in the process for about 70 years is in full swing. It is effecting people from birth now, and that is the deadly thing. It didn't have much effect on my grandfathers generation (who raised me), they were too proud, strong and they just got shit done..no excuses. What we have now is just the very end of their coat tail we are still riding on. Just look at the generation now and even my generation, I really have my grandfather to thank, as I was able to see through the fog with his guidance . Though he also pushed the crap out of me too, I was in college at 15 and doctorates with a separate masters by 22. Immediately started a business afterwards, and now about to turn 32 and have the freedom to do what I want.  I hated him for it honestly, which I feel horrible now for since he is no longer here and I know what he was doing and why.

The whole point to that is, this spirit is all but dead. I could have been turned into your average american myself. Critical thought, raw determination, concern for your fellow man, ect ect ect has all but been destroyed. Replaced by an undeserved self entitlement, raw narcissism, laziness, no concern for the fellow man ect ect. Nothing but failure can come from this. Why do you think our debt is so high??? The people running the country doesnt care, just sweep it under the rug for the next guy. America is a joke now...I love the land but the majority of the people and anyone in the government I cant stand.

So could I come up with some creative solutions to reach people....Maybe... but the magic trick the ones running the show have designed is solid and works. The mainstream looks at Kim Ks ass, instead of how the middle class is all but fleeced. Or they are worried a guy who wants a vagina cant use the womens bathroom, yet the 3 new laws that just passed that puts us one foot forward into socialism no one cares about. Its the strobe light while the magician hits the trap door, it works and people are amazed.

I am worried for my country, and am embarrassed of my people. Putin called it right when he lashed out towards us. I hate it and wish I could do something....I have had no real quality ideas of what.


FYI, I am on the side of truth, I wouldn't consider myself a roundy or a flat head. That is why I am prone to lash out to either side. Though I will say as of now, I have really seen no evidence that can convert me to the flat side, the globe fits nicely. I would be more prone to a hybrid geocentric than anything, however, if I see truth then that is my side...the earth could be a rumbas.

Quote from: amoracanoe on May 21, 2016, 10:46:02 PM

What influence does your belief that the earth is flat have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?

I'll go right back to the OP. I am not a "Flat Earther", but since seeing the arguments on this site and doing more research on the topic than ever before, I am now much more sure of my conviction that the Earth is a Globe orbiting the Sun.

All the arguments that it's philosophical, or a xxxxx plot^[1] are just a distraction. The earth is a physical object capable of inspection and the properties can be determined.

But, as soon as we claim the findings of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Cavendish and even Einstein we get told that they were Papist, Alchemists, Sunworshippers, Autistic, Freemasons or something else.

No, whether the earth is a Globe or not is simply a physical present day fact to be determined by the available evidence. Once we start excluding evidence simply because it goes against our cherished beliefs is simply being dishonest.

So many drag in distractions about Cosmology, Evolution and understanding the cause of Gravitation that distract from the simple determination of the "shape of the earth". Over the centuries it has been measured in every way you can think, so we can determine the shape it we just look at the evidence.

From what I have seen the idea of a NASA conspiracy did not come till well into the "space age". Back when Sputnik I was launched (yes, I remember it well, it was on my birthday) I was with radio HAMS. Your would have been laughed at if you denied that satellite's existence! The "Sputnik Beep" coming through on 20.007 MHz was pretty distinctive - try to figure out how the Russians could fake that in 1957!

I've said enough, so I'll close by simply saying that The Flat Earth Society does a wonderful service in gathering all the evidence for a Globe!

[1] In place of "xxxxx" insert one or more of NASA, Rosicrucian, Illuminati, FreeMasons, Jesuit, Zionist, Papist, the Brotherhood and a few others. I have not yet heard of Mormon, but maybe someone will come out with it.

Thank you for your input. So your belief of flat earth  (or nonbeliefe in your case haha) has affected your life by showing you the earth is for sure round. I just want make sure that's what I was getting from that. Please let me know if that's not correct. Has that had an affect on your beliefs, career, relationships with others?

Quote from: rabinoz on May 25, 2016, 09:01:18 PM

Quote from: amoracanoe on May 21, 2016, 10:46:02 PM

What influence does your belief that the earth is flat have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?

I'll go right back to the OP. I am not a "Flat Earther", but since seeing the arguments on this site and doing more research on the topic than ever before, I am now much more sure of my conviction that the Earth is a Globe orbiting the Sun.

All the arguments that it's philosophical, or a xxxxx plot^[1] are just a distraction. The earth is a physical object capable of inspection and the properties can be determined.

But, as soon as we claim the findings of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Cavendish and even Einstein we get told that they were Papist, Alchemists, Sunworshippers, Autistic, Freemasons or something else.

No, whether the earth is a Globe or not is simply a physical present day fact to be determined by the available evidence. Once we start excluding evidence simply because it goes against our cherished beliefs is simply being dishonest.

So many drag in distractions about Cosmology, Evolution and understanding the cause of Gravitation that distract from the simple determination of the "shape of the earth". Over the centuries it has been measured in every way you can think, so we can determine the shape it we just look at the evidence.

From what I have seen the idea of a NASA conspiracy did not come till well into the "space age". Back when Sputnik I was launched (yes, I remember it well, it was on my birthday) I was with radio HAMS. Your would have been laughed at if you denied that satellite's existence! The "Sputnik Beep" coming through on 20.007 MHz was pretty distinctive - try to figure out how the Russians could fake that in 1957!

I've said enough, so I'll close by simply saying that The Flat Earth Society does a wonderful service in gathering all the evidence for a Globe!

[1] In place of "xxxxx" insert one or more of NASA, Rosicrucian, Illuminati, FreeMasons, Jesuit, Zionist, Papist, the Brotherhood and a few others. I have not yet heard of Mormon, but maybe someone will come out with it.

Thank you for your input. So your belief of flat earth  (or nonbeliefe in your case haha) has affected your life by showing you the earth is for sure round. I just want make sure that's what I was getting from that. Please let me know if that's not correct. Has that had an affect on your beliefs, career, relationships with others?

Not my "belief of flat earth", but my time on this site has confirmed my views.
No, but since my belief has not changed, just become more certain, that's not surprising.

Its made me much more comfortable knowing Gods word is true. Unfortunately I cant leave my house now because my maps don't work.

Actually, flat earthers are not against travel in general. Lots of folks think we'd be paranoid about it - I've been asked this a few times. In reality, I've traveled the world, and our President has as well.

Actually, flat earthers are not against travel in general. Lots of folks think we'd be paranoid about it - I've been asked this a few times. In reality, I've traveled the world, and our President has as well.

Did your travels include the southern hemisphere?

Actually, flat earthers are not against travel in general. Lots of folks think we'd be paranoid about it - I've been asked this a few times. In reality, I've traveled the world, and our President has as well.

I'm not going out until I can rip up the ballheads maps.

I am however really pleased that you travel the world. You can demonstrate the lie.
If you travel using a Globetards map or a flat earth one? I am really keen to see the working Flat earth map.
Can you post the one you use in your reply?

Indeed. Notably I traveled to Punta Arenas and was denied access to the Antarctic due to "weather" last minute.  I have also been to Australia so can verify it does indeed exist. (inb4 Neil.) While at the peak of civilization on the rim, I noted that the sun rise and set times did not match up with the predicted times which was especially interesting due to it being during the period where one could expect much longer times than usual. To verify to our members that I actually went there, I sent a postcard to a former administrator here and posted from an ip that could be verified (at least at the time.)

The working flat earth map is actually a non-euclidean one. This explains the ability to use projections to a fair amount of accuracy, much like the success of Portolan maps. The modern evolution of the globe is directly due to the evolutionary expansion of techniques similar to those used in portolan maps.

Its no wonder they have to stitch together a flat map to make the famous 'blue marble.'

Edit: that reminds me, I need to send Gayer some four leaf clovers!

Indeed. Notably I traveled to Punta Arenas and was denied access to the Antarctic due to "weather" last minute. 

And I suppose anyone who ever wanted to go to Antarctica was denied due to weather?  That totally is the first thing I would assume. 

No, as I've said many times in the past, I'm sure it was just weather. I've never been much for the conspiracy. I'd rather think folks are in err rather than in malice.  People travel there often, or so I'm told. It is however, notable enough to mention. The nature of the plane is so obvious, there is no reason for us to rest our weight on conspiracy.

No, as I've said many times in the past, I'm sure it was just weather. I've never been much for the conspiracy. I'd rather think folks are in err rather than in malice.  People travel there often, or so I'm told. It is however, notable enough to mention. The nature of the plane is so obvious, there is no reason for us to rest our weight on conspiracy.

So why did you put "weather" in quotation marks? 

It seemed like a rather calm day to me, as memory serves. But there are a thousand other explanations. "Cancelled due to weather" is a fairly common way to cancel something, even if it had little to do with weather.

"Cancelled due to weather" is a fairly common way to cancel something, even if it had little to do with weather.

Maybe for commoners/peasants/plebeians, but not for professional companies, including tourism agencies.  Weather in Antarctica is pretty touchy, especially around the coast, and Antarctica is no place to be stranded during an arctic storm.  Plus, liability and all that would make them pretty strict about stuff like that. 

I agree, I'm perfectly sure in this case there is no reason to yell "conspiracy!"  I felt it odd enough to mention.

Quote from: John Davis on May 27, 2016, 04:23:14 PM

"Cancelled due to weather" is a fairly common way to cancel something, even if it had little to do with weather.

Maybe for commoners/peasants/plebeians, but not for professional companies, including tourism agencies.  Weather in Antarctica is pretty touchy, especially around the coast, and Antarctica is no place to be stranded during an arctic storm.  Plus, liability and all that would make them pretty strict about stuff like that.

You are steadily increasing in anger blue moon......YOU OK? Need an ego or a hot pocket? A snickers? Are you turning into Rosanne?

Maybe a cat to play with? (A real one, not a metaphorical one, get your mind out of the gutter)

You are steadily increasing in anger blue moon......YOU OK? Need an ego or a hot pocket? A snickers? Are you turning into Rosanne?

Maybe a cat to play with? (A real one, not a metaphorical one, get your mind out of the gutter)

I'm fine, but my patience is wearing thin.  I do have a very fluffy cat sleeping next to me, so that helps a little. 

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on May 27, 2016, 05:55:01 PM

You are steadily increasing in anger blue moon......YOU OK? Need an ego or a hot pocket? A snickers? Are you turning into Rosanne?

Maybe a cat to play with? (A real one, not a metaphorical one, get your mind out of the gutter)

I'm fine, but my patience is wearing thin.  I do have a very fluffy cat sleeping next to me, so that helps a little.

Just smile my friend!! My 14 year old cat passed very recently, be happy to be with the fluffy one. Only person that really grinds my gears here is Heiwa. If I could only be a mod for 5 minutes.

Quote from: amoracanoe on May 25, 2016, 03:10:05 PM

I don't think it was a rant, you spoke truth, we tend to take the George Carlin approach to the federal government. I'm very happy I went through the process before my son was born, if he wants to be property of the government when he's older then he can be.... but I doubt he will be. So, I know you're on the round side of this (I think), in your opinion is there a solution to this argument? Do you think opting out funding NASA would decrease controversy? Do you think an increase in awareness of the limits of personal income tax would help calm the flat side because their no longer responsible financially? Or would increase in awareness cause too many people to leave the system and severely decrease funding to the program? Or is this literally the "turtles all the way down" argument?

My honest opinion, I think we are "fucked" in every way in america at least. The dumbing down and brain washing that has been in the process for about 70 years is in full swing. It is effecting people from birth now, and that is the deadly thing. It didn't have much effect on my grandfathers generation (who raised me), they were too proud, strong and they just got shit done..no excuses. What we have now is just the very end of their coat tail we are still riding on. Just look at the generation now and even my generation, I really have my grandfather to thank, as I was able to see through the fog with his guidance . Though he also pushed the crap out of me too, I was in college at 15 and doctorates with a separate masters by 22. Immediately started a business afterwards, and now about to turn 32 and have the freedom to do what I want.  I hated him for it honestly, which I feel horrible now for since he is no longer here and I know what he was doing and why.

The whole point to that is, this spirit is all but dead. I could have been turned into your average american myself. Critical thought, raw determination, concern for your fellow man, ect ect ect has all but been destroyed. Replaced by an undeserved self entitlement, raw narcissism, laziness, no concern for the fellow man ect ect. Nothing but failure can come from this. Why do you think our debt is so high??? The people running the country doesnt care, just sweep it under the rug for the next guy. America is a joke now...I love the land but the majority of the people and anyone in the government I cant stand.

So could I come up with some creative solutions to reach people....Maybe... but the magic trick the ones running the show have designed is solid and works. The mainstream looks at Kim Ks ass, instead of how the middle class is all but fleeced. Or they are worried a guy who wants a vagina cant use the womens bathroom, yet the 3 new laws that just passed that puts us one foot forward into socialism no one cares about. Its the strobe light while the magician hits the trap door, it works and people are amazed.

I am worried for my country, and am embarrassed of my people. Putin called it right when he lashed out towards us. I hate it and wish I could do something....I have had no real quality ideas of what.


FYI, I am on the side of truth, I wouldn't consider myself a roundy or a flat head. That is why I am prone to lash out to either side. Though I will say as of now, I have really seen no evidence that can convert me to the flat side, the globe fits nicely. I would be more prone to a hybrid geocentric than anything, however, if I see truth then that is my side...the earth could be a rumbas.

Ah good ol' rhombus earth haha, just messing. I hear you and for the most part agree. We've created a system that keeps most people dependent on their government, have low income, low education, etc. and now many feel they're entitled to anything they want. People always say "that wasn't me, I didn't create these problems" but we didn't stop them either. I wasn't born when the bc and tax systems were made and remained just as much in the dark as others for many years, when I finally figured it out, I had to act against it. To me it seems that support of fet is similar. I don't think it's just about the shape, I think it's mostly about the deception because I'd be lying if I said I didn't have concerns about actions of deception by NASA. The funny thing is it doesn't make me feel disrespect for some of the people involved like the astronauts. Best example and the one people talk most about is Neil Armstrong. I would have to assume that most people know about his actions after Apollo, they know he was very depressed for years and stepped away from public eye. I feel that the speech he made on the Anniversary was made with a lot of sadness and remorse (for whatever reason). If the moon landings were faked we don't know the threats or force that was flexed on these individuals or what they endured the years after. I don't consider all people involved to be liars but I do recognize that I have a right to respectfully have different views as we all are. I see this argument more as a wake up call to what's really going on and I think that's great, because even if you don't agree with fet, at least you become aware of the reasons for it. I do feel that if enough people get with the program changes can be made, I'm sure it won't happen in my lifetime tho. I see changes with the sovereign citizen movement (at least the ones that don't act like d bags), people are becoming educated of their rights and doing something about it. Yes I've had interactions with law enforcement and government agencies since I stopped participating in the system and they've all been respectful and courteous. My cousin, a police officer, said he's seen a marked change in citizens being educated on their rights and that he feels like it helps protect truly innocent people from being unlawfully charged. It's things like that that keep me hopeful. I also love my country but I see everyday that a little more of our civil liberties are being hacked away and people say "what's the big deal? We have it so good here". I hate that, it doesn't matter how good people think it is, that's what we are told we are supposed to have, you can't say "you have the right to free speech but...." it doesn't work that way but instead of standing up, we back down. I support everyone here as long as they ALL KEEP TALKING! People here are incredible intelligent and reasonable and they are aware of the realities encompassed in this situation. So on both round and flat side, I encourage you to seek answers but truth is a touchy subject because in truth someone will be right and someone will be wrong but we as rational people must learn to recognize that anger and violence may come, it is our responsibility to make sure that doesn't occur, to offer amnesty and forgiveness. I personally seek peace but the burden of that possibility falls on our shoulders.

Post above ^, shortened for ease of reading

What? I meant the world was in the shape of a Cuban dance lol. I deserved that, I have been lazy in not proof reading anything or checking for auto corrections ect. 

The question is, how do you defeat a mentality that is instilled on people at birth now. A system that is designed to start with children at their peak age of impression.

When the parents AND children are infected with a virus, what course of action do you take for survival?