Admission that they don't use satellite for internet

Difficult to do on land? There are towers and antennae everywhere...

I have no idea what shape the earth is,and I'm seeing no evidence for any spacecraft or anything outside the atmosphere

The Allies had GPS in ww2 using the ionosphere and a few radio antennae

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN

Yes, but apart from all the other problems, however would you fit a Loran antenna into a watch?

Keep on dreaming, but satellites are used for GPS, direct view satellite TV and geostationary weather observation,as well as many other applications.

You don't have any evidence to the contrary, only your NASAphobia, even though many of these satellites are launched by  other agencies.

however would you fit a Loran antenna into a watch?

There were a lot of things you couldn't fit in a watch during WW2 but are now easily incorporated...

Some of them didn't even exist back then!

You are - as usual - utterly mental, Geoff.

Quote from: rabinoz on May 23, 2016, 02:51:05 AM

however would you fit a Loran antenna into a watch?

There were a lot of things you couldn't fit in a watch during WW2 but are now easily incorporated...

Some of them didn't even exist back then!

You are - as usual - utterly mental, Geoff.

I might be tempted to believe you if you could come up with the actual details of this "Loran system" that uses frequencies high enough for such miniature antennas to be feasible and yet still uses ionospheric reflection.

Then tell us the range of these "Loran Transmitters" and how they could possibly have had coverage over the whole outback Australia 15 years ago.

Time for you to come up with some information instead of your usual wise-cracks and simple denials.

And you are still a liar because you know very well that I have no connection with any Geoff on this site.

In case you really think I am the only Australian, there actually are about 24,081,978 others, at least there were on 23 May 2016 at 09:03:20 PM.

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I might be tempted to believe you if you could come up with the actual details of this "Loran system" that uses frequencies high enough for such miniature antennas to be feasible and yet still uses ionospheric reflection.
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Easy; it's called 'GPS'.

And I never said anything about the ionosphere.

I said troposcatter was more likely.

But it's all just bouncing signals around the sky, same as it always has been but with better & better tech; because comms tech has improved a lot since WW2...

Even an old soldier such as yourself should know that, Tommy Atkins.

Anyhoo; your silly flying trashcan 'satellites', that were dreamt up by a paedophile homosexual science-fiction hack btw, have nothing to do with it.

And everybody knows you are Geoff; give it up, eh?

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 23, 2016, 03:36:05 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on May 23, 2016, 02:51:05 AM

however would you fit a Loran antenna into a watch?

There were a lot of things you couldn't fit in a watch during WW2 but are now easily incorporated...

Some of them didn't even exist back then!

You are - as usual - utterly mental, Geoff.

I might be tempted to believe you if you could come up with the actual details of this "Loran system" that uses frequencies high enough for such miniature antennas to be feasible and yet still uses ionospheric reflection.

Then tell us the range of these "Loran Transmitters" and how they could possibly have had coverage over the whole outback Australia 15 years ago.

Time for you to come up with some information instead of your usual wise-cracks and simple denials.

And you are still a liar because you know very well that I have no connection with any Geoff on this site.

In case you really think I am the only Australian, there actually are about 24,081,978 others, at least there were on 23 May 2016 at 09:03:20 PM.

I would leave Papa Legba alone - I have. His stuff is just not worth responding to. He as some sort of fixation on someone named Geoff. Let it go...

When posters invoke "paedophile homosexual" or "Satan" to discuss things, I just stop answering such quacks... I suggest you do the same. These people need to grow up...

Are you saying that Arthur C Clarke was not a homosexual paedophile?

Because it is a matter of record that he was.

Why do you think he skedaddled to Sri Lanka to live with his 'house-boys' when things got too hot in England?

As for the Geoff business; it is blatantly obvious that one Australia-based person is running a sock-army here...

Geoff is just a catch-all term for this person.

You can pretend he doesn't exist if you like?

But he does; & we all see him...

& he is very, very, very shit at his shit job indeed.

Toodle-pip, not-Geoff & his not-a-sock-puppet army!

As for the Geoff business; it is blatantly obvious that one Australia-based person is running a sock-army here...

No as far as I know no memebers in Australia run anything together. It is just that most Globe supporters know the Globe pretty well, while all Flat Earther seem to have their own ideas on gravity and everything else.


The nearest I can guess is that he's paid to disrupt any serious discussion!

Difficult to do on land? There are towers and antennae everywhere...

If you read up you will see the most accurate wave from Loran is the groundwave. Those don't work well in mountainous terrain.  Cell and radio doesn't even cover the whole earth, but you think some secret Loran towers do? The 200+ meter towers.

I have no idea what shape the earth is,and I'm seeing no evidence for any spacecraft or anything outside the atmosphere

You changed the subject from stars to satellites because you know there is no answer to the star problem. 

https://www.quora.com/How-are-major-undersea-cables-laid-in-the-ocean

This article is quite interesting.  I was just reading through trying to figure out exactly how many miles of cable were laid and I came across this quote. 
"We don't use satellites because they can't carry terabytes of data for less than a billion dollars per communication line."
Satellites are fake ISS is a lie k thx bai

The biggest objection I have to this whole thread is simply the title
Calling it an admission is a blatant distortion of the facts!

When has anyone ever claimed that broadband internet (30 Mbits/sec plus) ever used satellites for connection to users?

Satellite internet connection (but not broadband) and direct view TV is common in remote areas of Australia, as any examination of available evidence will prove.
If you deny this, please explain how a caravanner (yes, I am one and a member of a club with wide connections) with Satellite TV can go to any remote area in Australia, aim the dish at a known location^[1] over the equator and get TV signal.
So the intent of the whole whole thread is simply a distortion of the facts and so claiming this statement as any evidence of

[1] Just look up Satsig.net web. eg on the "Gunbarrel Highway" at 25.0932° S,  126.6439° E, point your Dish elevation= 42.8°, Azimuth= 54.3° (magnetic compass), Polarisation= 49.6° for the 160E Optus D1 satellite.

-how it works
It's proof of concept, microwaves could also be used or some other wave
-where
It's basically global, very few antennae are needed
It was even made available to the public in the 70's
It works on land and sea.

It's also being phased out in favor or GPS.

All you have to do is extrapolate a little.

If a proto-GPS system existed 70 years ago, and didn't need satellites,and only needed one base every 2400km
It's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think that an improved system exists now with no satellites necessary.
It doesn't have to use radio waves either.

All you have to do is extrapolate a little.

If a proto-GPS system existed 70 years ago, and didn't need satellites,and only needed one base every 1400km
It's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think that an improved system exists now with no satellites necessary.
It doesn't have to use radio waves either.

You have no idea what extrapolation is, because it certainly doesn't apply in this case.  Don't you know that with a GPS program and a receiver, you can see which satellites it's connecting to and view the raw data?  Not to mention that you can see the GPS satellites in orbit at night. 

It doesn't have to use radio waves either.

"It doesn't have to use radio waves either." Really?

Microwaves duh

GPS units offer an option to convert to LORAN units in the options screen

Microwaves duh

GPS units offer an option to convert to LORAN units in the options screen

  And you claim Microwaves are not Radio Waves  Back to school!

"GPS units offer an option to convert to LORAN units in the options screen"! Show me some!
Yes, some marine GPS units might, but the handheld GPS units (I had had one or more for the last 14 years), in car navigators and mobile phones with GPS do NOT have any Loran option. Loran has NEVER had worldwide coverage. GPS is worldwide, though "flaky" in the Polar regions.

Please explain how my GPS (in car and hand-held) worked perfectly all over outback Australia, many times hundreds of kilometres from any mobile phone towers. And, yes I also had a Satellite phone for phone coverage in those areas.

All you have is guess and maybe - learn a bit about radio propagation etc before spouting off you imaginary hypotheses!

Yes, I did a bit on radio propagation in my 40 years in that general topic!

It doesn't have to use radio waves either.

Microwaves duh

Duh indeed!

Yes it was a marine GPS unit with the option to convert to LORAN

In the fifties they covered Alaska with a network of stations using tropospheric methods of propagation.
It was called White Alice, so it's possible Australia has a network of even more advanced stations that use technology which allows a very small number of stations to cover the entire country.

Using tropospheric ducting
It's possible to recieve signals in Hawaii from Mexico which is 2500 miles.
But on the average day the signals travel 800 miles.
Australia is 2500 miles wide so there you go,very few stations needed.
Tropospheric ducting works with microwaves and radio waves.

Yes it was a marine GPS unit with the option to convert to LORAN

In the fifties they covered Alaska with a network of stations using tropospheric methods of propagation.
It was called White Alice, so it's possible Australia has a network of even more advanced stations that use technology which allows a very small number of stations to cover the entire country.

Using tropospheric ducting
It's possible to recieve signals in Hawaii from Mexico which is 2500 miles.
But on the average day the signals travel 800 miles.
Australia is 2500 miles wide so there you go,very few stations needed.
Tropospheric ducting works with microwaves and radio waves.

GPS in cars, tablets, phones etc. uses satellites.

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 24, 2016, 08:12:32 AM

Yes it was a marine GPS unit with the option to convert to LORAN

In the fifties they covered Alaska with a network of stations using tropospheric methods of propagation.
It was called White Alice, so it's possible Australia has a network of even more advanced stations that use technology which allows a very small number of stations to cover the entire country.

Using tropospheric ducting
It's possible to recieve signals in Hawaii from Mexico which is 2500 miles.
But on the average day the signals travel 800 miles.
Australia is 2500 miles wide so there you go,very few stations needed.
Tropospheric ducting works with microwaves and radio waves.

GPS in cars, tablets, phones etc. uses satellites.

Wow, I did not know there were satellite dishes in those devices that point to a specific spot in the sky in order for you to know that.  Thanks for sharing. 

Quote from: inquisitive on May 24, 2016, 09:59:56 AM

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 24, 2016, 08:12:32 AM

Yes it was a marine GPS unit with the option to convert to LORAN

In the fifties they covered Alaska with a network of stations using tropospheric methods of propagation.
It was called White Alice, so it's possible Australia has a network of even more advanced stations that use technology which allows a very small number of stations to cover the entire country.

Using tropospheric ducting
It's possible to recieve signals in Hawaii from Mexico which is 2500 miles.
But on the average day the signals travel 800 miles.
Australia is 2500 miles wide so there you go,very few stations needed.
Tropospheric ducting works with microwaves and radio waves.

GPS in cars, tablets, phones etc. uses satellites.

Wow, I did not know there were satellite dishes in those devices that point to a specific spot in the sky in order for you to know that.  Thanks for sharing. 

GPS satellites aren't  geostationary.

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 10:01:18 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on May 24, 2016, 09:59:56 AM

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 24, 2016, 08:12:32 AM

Yes it was a marine GPS unit with the option to convert to LORAN

In the fifties they covered Alaska with a network of stations using tropospheric methods of propagation.
It was called White Alice, so it's possible Australia has a network of even more advanced stations that use technology which allows a very small number of stations to cover the entire country.

Using tropospheric ducting
It's possible to recieve signals in Hawaii from Mexico which is 2500 miles.
But on the average day the signals travel 800 miles.
Australia is 2500 miles wide so there you go,very few stations needed.
Tropospheric ducting works with microwaves and radio waves.

GPS in cars, tablets, phones etc. uses satellites.

Wow, I did not know there were satellite dishes in those devices that point to a specific spot in the sky in order for you to know that.  Thanks for sharing. 

GPS satellites aren't  geostationary.

Wow, you are so smart.  Please, share more of your knowledge about these flying trash cans.  All of us are to stupid to know what they claim satellites do, but sokarul is a genius and can explain it it us idiots. 

Quote from: sokarul on May 24, 2016, 10:06:29 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 10:01:18 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on May 24, 2016, 09:59:56 AM

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 24, 2016, 08:12:32 AM

Yes it was a marine GPS unit with the option to convert to LORAN

In the fifties they covered Alaska with a network of stations using tropospheric methods of propagation.
It was called White Alice, so it's possible Australia has a network of even more advanced stations that use technology which allows a very small number of stations to cover the entire country.

Using tropospheric ducting
It's possible to recieve signals in Hawaii from Mexico which is 2500 miles.
But on the average day the signals travel 800 miles.
Australia is 2500 miles wide so there you go,very few stations needed.
Tropospheric ducting works with microwaves and radio waves.

GPS in cars, tablets, phones etc. uses satellites.

Wow, I did not know there were satellite dishes in those devices that point to a specific spot in the sky in order for you to know that.  Thanks for sharing. 

GPS satellites aren't  geostationary.

Wow, you are so smart.  Please, share more of your knowledge about these flying trash cans.  All of us are to[sic] stupid to know what they claim satellites do, but sokarul is a genius and can explain it it us idiots. 

Well another thing is that the GPS satellites broadcast their position. So you don't need to try and locate them with a satilite dish.

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 10:08:25 AM

Quote from: sokarul on May 24, 2016, 10:06:29 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 10:01:18 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on May 24, 2016, 09:59:56 AM

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 24, 2016, 08:12:32 AM

Yes it was a marine GPS unit with the option to convert to LORAN

In the fifties they covered Alaska with a network of stations using tropospheric methods of propagation.
It was called White Alice, so it's possible Australia has a network of even more advanced stations that use technology which allows a very small number of stations to cover the entire country.

Using tropospheric ducting
It's possible to recieve signals in Hawaii from Mexico which is 2500 miles.
But on the average day the signals travel 800 miles.
Australia is 2500 miles wide so there you go,very few stations needed.
Tropospheric ducting works with microwaves and radio waves.

GPS in cars, tablets, phones etc. uses satellites.

Wow, I did not know there were satellite dishes in those devices that point to a specific spot in the sky in order for you to know that.  Thanks for sharing. 

GPS satellites aren't  geostationary.

Wow, you are so smart.  Please, share more of your knowledge about these flying trash cans.  All of us are to[sic] stupid to know what they claim satellites do, but sokarul is a genius and can explain it it us idiots. 

Well another thing is that the GPS satellites broadcast their position. So you don't need to try and locate them with a satilite dish.

How many times have you decoded their position from their signals and then triangulated their positions in order to figure out your own?  Oh, never?  Interesting how you bring that up then. 

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It's weird how TV satellites need an exact angle on the dish, but GPS units use the same technology and don't use dishes or need to be pointed, and there are only 24 satellites for the entire planet.

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I am sorry, was that too technological for you?  Do you need for me to break it down into small, manageable pieces for you to digest? 

It's weird how TV satellites need an exact angle on the dish, but GPS units use the same technology and don't use dishes or need to be pointed, and there are only 24 satellites for the entire planet.

Clearly it is magic that allows GPS to operate.

It's weird how TV satellites need an exact angle on the dish, but GPS units use the same technology and don't use dishes or need to be pointed, and there are only 24 satellites for the entire planet.

all easily explained if you look it up.

Quote from: Ex-Globe on May 24, 2016, 10:25:40 AM

It's weird how TV satellites need an exact angle on the dish, but GPS units use the same technology and don't use dishes or need to be pointed, and there are only 24 satellites for the entire planet.

Clearly it is magic that allows GPS to operate.

Nope, just omni receivers.  GPS signals don't need very high bandwidth like satellite TV or internet applications do, and the satellites are much closer, so a small omni antenna receiver will suffice instead of a directional (dish) antenna.