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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #480 on: June 09, 2016, 08:18:15 PM »
No, see, I said stop spamming up my thread Jroa.

Not, please continue derailing my thread.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #481 on: June 09, 2016, 08:19:38 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:00:59 PM
sokarul sounds as wise as my 6 year old nephew.  Well, maybe no quite that wise.
Not my fault you have to make up arguments.

I am not arguing about your lack of wisdom.  I am fairly sure that everyone here knows you are an idiot.  However, if I need to provide citations, I will be happy to do so.
Normally people would do that anyway. Go ahead.

You mean you want for me to cite your entire post history? 
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #482 on: June 09, 2016, 08:20:47 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on June 09, 2016, 08:18:15 PM
No, see, I said stop spamming up my thread Jroa.

Not, please continue derailing my thread.
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I did not realize you owned these threads.  Daniel? 
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #483 on: June 09, 2016, 08:21:38 PM »
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:00:59 PM
sokarul sounds as wise as my 6 year old nephew.  Well, maybe no quite that wise.
Not my fault you have to make up arguments.

I am not arguing about your lack of wisdom.  I am fairly sure that everyone here knows you are an idiot.  However, if I need to provide citations, I will be happy to do so.
Normally people would do that anyway. Go ahead.

You mean you want for me to cite your entire post history?
WTF does my post history have to do with you backing up YOUR claim?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #484 on: June 09, 2016, 08:22:07 PM »
Two low content, off topic posts in a row.

You can do better than this.
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Quote from: Crouton on July 15, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #485 on: June 09, 2016, 08:24:25 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:21:38 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:00:59 PM
sokarul sounds as wise as my 6 year old nephew.  Well, maybe no quite that wise.
Not my fault you have to make up arguments.

I am not arguing about your lack of wisdom.  I am fairly sure that everyone here knows you are an idiot.  However, if I need to provide citations, I will be happy to do so.
Normally people would do that anyway. Go ahead.

You mean you want for me to cite your entire post history?
WTF does my post history have to do with you backing up YOUR claim?

Which claim are you asking about?  Your idiocy is common knowledge.  That was the only claim I made. 
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #486 on: June 09, 2016, 08:25:20 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on June 09, 2016, 08:22:07 PM
Two low content, off topic posts in a row.

You can do better than this.

Three low content and off topic posts.
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Quote from: Crouton on July 15, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #487 on: June 09, 2016, 08:31:38 PM »
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:21:38 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:19:38 PM
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: sokarul on June 09, 2016, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:00:59 PM
sokarul sounds as wise as my 6 year old nephew.  Well, maybe no quite that wise.
Not my fault you have to make up arguments.

I am not arguing about your lack of wisdom.  I am fairly sure that everyone here knows you are an idiot.  However, if I need to provide citations, I will be happy to do so.
Normally people would do that anyway. Go ahead.

You mean you want for me to cite your entire post history?
WTF does my post history have to do with you backing up YOUR claim?

Which claim are you asking about?  Your idiocy is common knowledge.  That was the only claim I made.
Wow, you really have no reading comprehension.

You made the claim:
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 07:49:22 PM

You sound like that asstronut who punched the reporter in the face when he was asked if he was willing to swear on the bible that he went to the moon.  ::)

I said it was disinformation. You said you would back it up. I said ok. You peed your pants.

So are you going to back up your claim or not?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #488 on: June 09, 2016, 08:44:06 PM »
Ok JayRow, now that you know I didn't lie, would you care to discuss the point I made?? Or, continue veering off into less and less relevant discussions?

Seriously, is this not the "Debate" forum?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #489 on: June 09, 2016, 08:52:04 PM »
Wait, do I not sound like an astronaut now? Because I really liked that.

If only there were some sort of topic that was supposed to keep the comments on this thread cohesive....

I think it's been pretty well established that physics works. So that's definitely something humanity has going for it. Even if some people choose to ignore reality or troll strangers on the internet, luckily the rest of the world carries on as if those individuals' ignorance (willful, feigned, or otherwise) doesn't exist. And that's also great. So all-in-all, things are looking up.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #490 on: June 09, 2016, 10:27:57 PM »
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:24:25 PM
Which claim are you asking about?  Your idiocy is common knowledge.  That was the only claim I made.

We'll, you've finally succeeded in completely derailing the thread, even Papa Legba seems to be keeping out of it!
I guess that's a win, but a bit of a Pyrrhic victory, if you ask me. Sort of devil and deep blue sea problem.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #491 on: June 10, 2016, 01:37:28 AM »
Are you all still here?

You lost the debate when you started saying mad shit like 'outer space is not a vacuum' & 'the gas laws are not thermodynamics'...

There is no point in further 'debating' such insanity.

But you need to get the last word in, as that is shill-protocol 101.

So we will carry on!
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #492 on: June 10, 2016, 01:53:27 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on June 10, 2016, 01:37:28 AM
Are you all still here?

You lost the debate when you started saying mad shit like 'outer space is not a vacuum' & 'the gas laws are not thermodynamics'...

There is no point in further 'debating' such insanity.

But you need to get the last word in, as that is shill-protocol 101.

So we will carry on!



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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #493 on: June 10, 2016, 01:57:02 AM »
Last Word Denied!
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #494 on: June 10, 2016, 06:25:23 AM »
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 08:05:19 PM
Quote from: markjo on June 09, 2016, 08:03:42 PM
Quote from: jroa on June 09, 2016, 07:49:22 PM
You sound like that asstronut who punched the reporter in the face when he was asked if he was willing to swear on the bible that he went to the moon.  ::)
And you sound like that idiot "reporter" who lured the astronaut to an interview under false pretenses and then proceeded to call him a liar, a coward and thief after demanding that he swear on a bible that he went to the moon.  Be careful that some old timer doesn't deck you too, jroa.

Yeah, I am pretty sure the reporter said, "punch me in the face, come on coward, you won't do it, you liar."  ::)
It was subtext.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #495 on: June 10, 2016, 07:40:49 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on June 10, 2016, 01:37:28 AM
Are you all still here?

You lost the debate when you started saying mad shit like 'outer space is not a vacuum' & 'the gas laws are not thermodynamics'...

There is no point in further 'debating' such insanity.

But you need to get the last word in, as that is shill-protocol 101.

So we will carry on!

WTF are you even talking about? Who said that outer space is not vacuum? I think you made that up. By the way, there never was a debate, because you never debated anything.

"But you need to get the last word in, as that is shill-protocol 101. So we will carry on!"


Are you implying you are a shill?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #496 on: June 10, 2016, 07:43:19 AM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 10, 2016, 01:53:27 AM
Quote from: Papa Legba on June 10, 2016, 01:37:28 AM
Are you all still here?

You lost the debate when you started saying mad shit like 'outer space is not a vacuum' & 'the gas laws are not thermodynamics'...

There is no point in further 'debating' such insanity.

But you need to get the last word in, as that is shill-protocol 101.

So we will carry on!



diddlie poop ?

Toodle pip?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #497 on: June 10, 2016, 08:55:11 AM »
Any last words?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #498 on: June 10, 2016, 09:30:10 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on June 10, 2016, 08:55:11 AM
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Object B is the exhaust.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #499 on: June 10, 2016, 12:31:37 PM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on June 10, 2016, 08:55:11 AM
Any last words?
Congrats on getting the last post on the page.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #500 on: June 10, 2016, 12:36:13 PM »
Here's where you lost your side of the debate, old man:

Quote from: Papa Legba on June 08, 2016, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: markjo on June 08, 2016, 09:26:23 AM
Quote from: Papa Legba on June 08, 2016, 09:11:58 AM
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Quote from: disputeone on June 08, 2016, 03:33:38 AM
Please show me where you believe these laws are broken in rocketry.

Well Boyle's Law states pretty clearly that a gas cannot even exist in a vacuum...
Why not?  A vacuum does not always refer to exactly zero air pressure.

If it did, then vacuum cleaner manufacturers have been lying to us for a very long time.

So you're all going with shitting the place up with mad quibbling over the definition of a vacuum then?
Why not?  You've shit up lots of threads with less.

So you admit you're shitting up the thread with mad quibbling?

LOL!!!

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #501 on: June 10, 2016, 08:50:30 PM »
And here's where you lost it Pepe......

Quote from: JoshPerplexed on June 09, 2016, 01:34:28 PM
If rockets can't work in a vacuum, then why was the speed record set at an altitude above 100,000ft, where the air density is less than 1%?

The position that you need air to "push off of", naturally implies that the denser the air, the more thrust that can be achieved. So, that same aircraft should be able to attain a much higher speed if they tried it at a lower altitude! Bring that sucker down to 50,000, maybe hit Mach 25!!

Your inconsistency is your undoing....
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #502 on: June 10, 2016, 08:57:36 PM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on June 10, 2016, 12:36:13 PM
Here's where you lost your side of the debate, old man:

Quote from: Papa Legba on June 08, 2016, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: markjo on June 08, 2016, 09:26:23 AM
Quote from: Papa Legba on June 08, 2016, 09:11:58 AM
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Quote from: disputeone on June 08, 2016, 03:33:38 AM
Please show me where you believe these laws are broken in rocketry.

Well Boyle's Law states pretty clearly that a gas cannot even exist in a vacuum...
Why not?  A vacuum does not always refer to exactly zero air pressure.

If it did, then vacuum cleaner manufacturers have been lying to us for a very long time.

So you're all going with shitting the place up with mad quibbling over the definition of a vacuum then?
Why not?  You've shit up lots of threads with less.

So you admit you're shitting up the thread with mad quibbling?

LOL!!!

Any more Last Words?

Last words
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #503 on: June 11, 2016, 02:05:08 AM »
Quote from: disputeone on June 06, 2016, 02:31:27 AM
When you're considering the properties of gases there are often two ways to look at the problem. The first is to use the continuum approximation leading to the usual laws like Boyle's law, Charles' law etc. The second is to treat the gas as many tiny particles (i.e. the gas atoms/molecules) and use Newtonian mechanics. In this case I think the second way is to understand what's going on.

LOL!!!

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #504 on: June 11, 2016, 10:02:36 AM »
Wasn't here for a few days, man has it gone somewhere else! I really don't wanna play this card, but since words don't work, I have to resort to math and physics.

Here I calculated the amount of thrust provided by the water jetpack with Newton's 3rd Law, with the principle like the one I keep telling Papa. It is later confirmed by calculation WITHOUT Newton's 3rd Law. I've also done some calculations regarding thrust a rocket produce with Newton's 3rd Law, with the same principle as what everyone is telling Papa, and again, confirmed with calculation WITHOUT Newton's 3rd Law. I also proved that a rocket indeed works for both atmospheric and vacuum conditions. If you (Papa) think I'm wrong, then show me the math! If you don't, then it's either you think I'm right or you don't understand Newton's 3rd Law.

By the way, if you don't already realize, the link in the image obviously don't work. In there I'm talking about a video which I put in my previous post, go check it out!






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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #505 on: June 11, 2016, 11:26:57 AM »
Thanks hello_there for the detailed analysis.  I think it is important to address one of PLs strongest objection to Newton's 3rd, especially as it relates to rockets operating in a vacuum.  His contention is that, due to the ideal gas law, any exhaust gasses will expand in to the vacuum of space and not be able to do work on the rocket.

I am of the view that the gasses are bestowed with a certain amount of kinetic energy from the exo-thermic combustion and that energy is what is used to provide the thrust to the rocket, not the expansion of the gas per se.  Can you address this at all?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #506 on: June 11, 2016, 11:48:07 AM »
Quote from: Rama Set on June 11, 2016, 11:26:57 AM
Thanks hello_there for the detailed analysis.  I think it is important to address one of PLs strongest objection to Newton's 3rd, especially as it relates to rockets operating in a vacuum.  His contention is that, due to the ideal gas law, any exhaust gasses will expand in to the vacuum of space and not be able to do work on the rocket.

I am of the view that the gasses are bestowed with a certain amount of kinetic energy from the exo-thermic combustion and that energy is what is used to provide the thrust to the rocket, not the expansion of the gas per se.  Can you address this at all?

What the gas does AFTER it leaves the nozzle is irrelevant, that's not where the work happens. In fact, you could theoretically make a rocket that only uses pressurized gas as a propellant. The gas can expand as much as it wants. Besides, that expansion obeys Newton's laws, and if what Papa Legba says actually happened, there would be no conservation of momentum.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #507 on: June 11, 2016, 12:01:34 PM »
Gas expanding without work does occur, it just increases the temperature of the gas rather than exerting any work.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #508 on: June 11, 2016, 12:09:54 PM »
Quote from: Rama Set on June 11, 2016, 12:01:34 PM
Gas expanding without work does occur, it just increases the temperature of the gas rather than exerting any work.

I don't know what you are referring to, that's not what I said. What does this have to do with rockets?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #509 on: June 11, 2016, 01:39:28 PM »
You poor bastards.

Just listen to yourselves...

Trying to outwit both Newton & Kelvin in order to make Something Push on Nothing.

Sad stuff.
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