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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #240 on: May 31, 2016, 03:09:44 PM »
One where they understand this & don't believe I was born yesterday, you clapped-out old shit-at-your-shit-job spook:
Oh, then you don't know of any aerospace engineering forums that agree with you.  Big surprise.

Heh. Check out the page he copied his entry from:
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-4/Newton-s-Third-Law
or perhaps
http://education.jlab.org/jsat/powerpoint/newtons_laws_of_motion.ppt
or
http://bloddymakersofscience.blogspot.ca/2015/05/newtons-laws.html

and the "check your understanding section", specifically question 2. (or the 33rd slide of the Powerpoint)

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #241 on: May 31, 2016, 03:49:16 PM »
Oh, then you don't know of any aerospace engineering forums that agree with you.

If this was IRL you'd be dead at my feet....


Psycho.....

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=48790.0

Cool story bro, you're not the only one who doesn't understand action reaction force pairs apparently.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #242 on: May 31, 2016, 04:31:45 PM »
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You seem to be confusing mass with weight. Weight is the effect of gravity acting on the mass of an object. The mass is constant independent of gravity, but weight depends on gravity. On the moon, an astronaut has the same mass as on Earth, but weighs less because there's less gravity acting on his mass. In space, objects have no weight but still have the same mass. You can tell how massive an object is even in space, where it has no weight, by how hard it is to get it moving or slow it down; this is due to its inertia.

You've already had thrust explained to you - Newton's 3rd Law, 'for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction'. A rocket in space throws out exhaust and gets an equal reaction in the other direction. There's no requirement to push against space - it's the same principle as pushing someone away from you on ice, they will slide in one direction, you will slide in the opposite direction.

From the website i posted.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #243 on: May 31, 2016, 04:55:41 PM »
Oh, then you don't know of any aerospace engineering forums that agree with you.

Yes I do.

I'm just not prepared to tell an intelligence agent where they are.
Ooh...  Papa Legba is involved in the deep, dark aerospace engineering underground.  How scary.

You really do think I was born yesterday, don't you?
No, I think that you're a loud mouth, obnoxious jerk who likes to be a contrarian blowhard just for the lulz.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #244 on: May 31, 2016, 08:03:05 PM »
Oh, then you don't know of any aerospace engineering forums that agree with you.

Yes I do.

I'm just not prepared to tell an intelligent agent where they are.

Seems legit.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #245 on: May 31, 2016, 08:06:17 PM »
Oh, then you don't know of any aerospace engineering forums that agree with you.

Yes I do.

I'm just not prepared to tell an intelligent agent where they are.

Seems legit.
Yes, because intelligence agencies wouldn't know how to find an aerospace engineer discussion forum on their own.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #246 on: May 31, 2016, 08:24:30 PM »
I'm just guessing, but i think he was bluffing xD.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #247 on: May 31, 2016, 10:46:54 PM »
Heh. Check out the page he copied his entry from

Just listen to your silly desperate selves...

The fact that you're again trying to deny you posted that definition of N3 yourselves, in the very first post of this thread, & are now trying to introduce another, shows you have lost.

And yes, every good aerospace engineer knows NASA is fake.

And no, I won't tell you where to find their hangouts.

And yes, markjo is an obvious spook.

Back to this:

I'm done with this thread untill you do the coke bottle rocket experiment most primary school kids do.

Oh ffs he's back...

Lie much, Your Satanic Mini-Majesty?

I've got a lot of experience dealing with paranoid delusional disorders,

I'll bet you have.

My mother, unfortunately. She's coping much better on medication now.

I just want you to know theres help out there.

Yeah, & I'm sure your being a practising Satanist was a big help with alleviating your mother's paranoid delusions...

Please tell us more about this; I'll get my popcorn...

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #248 on: May 31, 2016, 11:20:56 PM »

And yes, every good aerospace engineer knows NASA is fake.


I'll have to tell the ones I know they aren't "good".

Edit, I'm sure I read somewhere you are a builder, hit any good bits of metal with smaller bits of metal recently?

Anyway, cool story bro.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #249 on: June 01, 2016, 05:03:12 AM »
Even after you edited that post it was still complete nonsense...

You are just useless ain't you?

Anyhoo; here's YOUR OP, with the definition of N3 that YOU provided, but which I have so skilfully used against you that you now wish to say it was MY definition all along, & provide a new definition more suited to your disinf-agenda:

Newton's Third Law

Identifying Action and Reaction Force Pairs

A force is a push or a pull that acts upon an object as a results of its interaction with another object. Forces result from interactions!

Some forces result from contact interactions (normal, frictional, tensional, and applied forces are examples of contact forces) and other forces are the result of action-at-a-distance interactions (gravitational, electrical, and magnetic forces).

According to Newton, whenever objects A and B interact with each other, they exert forces upon each other. When you sit in your chair, your body exerts a downward force on the chair and the chair exerts an upward force on your body.

There are two forces resulting from this interaction - a force on the chair and a force on your body. These two forces are called action and reaction forces and are the subject of Newton's third law of motion. Formally stated, Newton's third law is:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects. The size of the forces on the first object equals the size of the force on the second object. The direction of the force on the first object is opposite to the direction of the force on the second object. Forces always come in pairs - equal and opposite action-reaction force pairs.

 

Examples of Interaction Force Pairs
A variety of action-reaction force pairs are evident in nature. Consider the propulsion of a fish through the water. A fish uses its fins to push water backwards. But a push on the water will only serve to accelerate the water. Since forces result from mutual interactions, the water must also be pushing the fish forwards, propelling the fish through the water. The size of the force on the water equals the size of the force on the fish; the direction of the force on the water (backwards) is opposite the direction of the force on the fish (forwards). For every action, there is an equal (in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction force. Action-reaction force pairs make it possible for fish to swim.

Consider the flying motion of birds. A bird flies by use of its wings. The wings of a bird push air downwards. Since forces result from mutual interactions, the air must also be pushing the bird upwards. The size of the force on the air equals the size of the force on the bird; the direction of the force on the air (downwards) is opposite the direction of the force on the bird (upwards). For every action, there is an equal (in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction. Action-reaction force pairs make it possible for birds to fly.

Consider the motion of a car on the way to school. A car is equipped with wheels that spin. As the wheels spin, they grip the road and push the road backwards. Since forces result from mutual interactions, the road must also be pushing the wheels forward. The size of the force on the road equals the size of the force on the wheels (or car); the direction of the force on the road (backwards) is opposite the direction of the force on the wheels (forwards). For every action, there is an equal (in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction. Action-reaction force pairs make it possible for cars to move along a roadway surface.

Plus, you do not know any aerospace engineers...

Just like you are not a practising Satanist with a mentally-ill mother.

You are simply another insane sock-puppet shill & everybody knows it.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #250 on: June 01, 2016, 05:22:03 AM »
What part of all the posts containing newton's 3rd law says rockets can't work in a vacuum?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #251 on: June 01, 2016, 06:31:37 AM »
But I am a real man, I hit bits of metal, with smaller bits, of metal.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #252 on: June 01, 2016, 06:32:46 AM »
Calling me insane is so rich coming from you.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #253 on: June 01, 2016, 06:41:05 AM »
Heh. Check out the page he copied his entry from

Just listen to your silly desperate selves...

The fact that you're again trying to deny you posted that definition of N3 yourselves, in the very first post of this thread, & are now trying to introduce another, shows you have lost.
No one is denying that entry of N3.  We're just wondering how it proves that rocket engines can't work in a vacuum.

And yes, every good aerospace engineer knows NASA is fake.
Obviously you have your own unique definition of "good aerospace engineer" that the rest of the world is unfamiliar with.

And no, I won't tell you where to find their hangouts.
Don't tell me, let me guess.  They hang out at the corner fish & chip shop.

And yes, markjo is an obvious spook.
ROTFLMAO!!
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #254 on: June 01, 2016, 08:50:57 AM »
No one is denying that entry of N3.  We're just wondering how it proves that rocket engines can't work in a vacuum.

I already told you.

Repeatedly.

You're pretending I haven't though.

And yes, markjo, you are the most massively obvious spook I have ever encountered online.

Textbook, in fact; which is why you were so easy to spot.

Told you, old man; I was born to this, while you were merely trained in it.

Plus, lol at this:

rocket pushs exhaust away (force one) which causes the exhaust to push on rocket (force two).

'Because nonsense!'
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #255 on: June 01, 2016, 09:04:06 AM »
No one is denying that entry of N3.  We're just wondering how it proves that rocket engines can't work in a vacuum.

I already told you.

Repeatedly.
Yes, and you've been wrong every single time.

And yes, markjo, you are the most massively obvious spook I have ever encountered online.

Textbook, in fact; which is why you were so easy to spot.

Told you, old man; I was born to this, while you were merely trained in it.
LOL!!  Delusional paranoia much?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #256 on: June 01, 2016, 09:33:52 AM »
Yes, and you've been wrong every single time.

^Textbook shilling.

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LOL!!  Delusional paranoia much?

^More textbook shilling.

Yup; you're a spook markjo & it's easy to see.

Cos you do everything by the book.

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #257 on: June 01, 2016, 10:18:49 AM »
The poll results don't lie.
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« Reply #258 on: June 01, 2016, 11:56:19 AM »
The poll results don't lie.

You do.

So they do.

Plus, the wheels are object B...

Says the retard.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #259 on: June 01, 2016, 12:06:27 PM »
The poll results don't lie.

You do.

So they do.

Plus, the wheels are object B...

Says the retard.
Lol

Destroyed

Lol



Who claimed the wheels were object B?


Lol



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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #260 on: June 01, 2016, 12:37:37 PM »
You.

You're just too dumb to realise you did so.

Look:

Anyhoo, if 'the exhaust is object B', as sokarul & all you retards claim, then in the following three examples the Fins of the fish, Wings of the bird & Wheels of the car respectively all also constitute 'object B':

(lol no they don't!)

Newton's Third Law

Identifying Action and Reaction Force Pairs

A force is a push or a pull that acts upon an object as a results of its interaction with another object. Forces result from interactions!

Examples of Interaction Force Pairs
A variety of action-reaction force pairs are evident in nature. Consider the propulsion of a fish through the water. A fish uses its fins to push water backwards. But a push on the water will only serve to accelerate the water. Since forces result from mutual interactions, the water must also be pushing the fish forwards, propelling the fish through the water. The size of the force on the water equals the size of the force on the fish; the direction of the force on the water (backwards) is opposite the direction of the force on the fish (forwards). For every action, there is an equal (in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction force. Action-reaction force pairs make it possible for fish to swim.

Consider the flying motion of birds. A bird flies by use of its wings. The wings of a bird push air downwards. Since forces result from mutual interactions, the air must also be pushing the bird upwards. The size of the force on the air equals the size of the force on the bird; the direction of the force on the air (downwards) is opposite the direction of the force on the bird (upwards). For every action, there is an equal (in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction. Action-reaction force pairs make it possible for birds to fly.

Consider the motion of a car on the way to school. A car is equipped with wheels that spin. As the wheels spin, they grip the road and push the road backwards. Since forces result from mutual interactions, the road must also be pushing the wheels forward. The size of the force on the road equals the size of the force on the wheels (or car); the direction of the force on the road (backwards) is opposite the direction of the force on the wheels (forwards). For every action, there is an equal (in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction. Action-reaction force pairs make it possible for cars to move along a roadway surface.


Yeah; 'teh ecksorst iz obbjkt Bee'...

Says the retards.

Please change your diapers, medicate your mothers, finish your latest batch of bath-tub meth, etc, then return to Lie about this some more...

Retards

Lol

Destroyed

Lol

Etc...
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #261 on: June 01, 2016, 01:25:01 PM »

Anyhoo, if 'the exhaust is object B', as sokarul & all you retards claim, then in the following three examples the Fins of the fish, Wings of the bird & Wheels of the car respectively all also constitute 'object B':
Yes, when the water, air and road respectively constitute 'object A'.

Notice that no one ever claimed that fish, birds or cars carry their own reaction mass like rockets do.
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« Reply #262 on: June 01, 2016, 09:42:42 PM »

Anyhoo, if 'the exhaust is object B', as sokarul & all you retards claim, then in the following three examples the Fins of the fish, Wings of the bird & Wheels of the car respectively all also constitute 'object B':
Yes, when the water, air and road respectively constitute 'object A'.

Notice that no one ever claimed that fish, birds or cars carry their own reaction mass like rockets do.

LMFAO!!!

'Because nonsense...!'

You haven't channelled Lewis Carroll for a while, Humpty Dumpty...

Good to see you up to your old tricks.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #263 on: June 01, 2016, 10:39:46 PM »
I am a real man, I hit bits of metal, with smaller bits, of metal.
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« Reply #264 on: June 01, 2016, 11:09:57 PM »
Remember saying this?

I'm done with this thread untill you do the coke bottle rocket experiment most primary school kids do.

Quite the mad liar aren't you?

Here you go; 'rokkit-syenzze' courtesy of markjo:

This inability of a rocket to provide propulsion is because nonsense! Rockets do accelerate in space and have been able to do so for a long time.

They just do...

Because nonsense.

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #265 on: June 01, 2016, 11:52:39 PM »
I changed my mind.

At what altitude does the rocket fail?

Edit.
Also thats my quote you're putting on Markjo, it was from the physics website that I got the easy to understand definition of N3. Tried to make it easier on you.

Maybe you should get your research peer reviewed? I've heard one of the best ways to get a Nobel prize is proving an existing theory wrong.

But you're not in it for the fame are you?
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« Reply #266 on: June 02, 2016, 12:02:22 AM »
How's your hammer performing today Papa? In accordance with newons laws I hope.

I shovel well, I shovel very well.

Papa you shovel better than any man ive ever met, but that does not make you an astronautical engineer...
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« Reply #267 on: June 02, 2016, 01:18:59 AM »
The fuel's mass is being pushed out of the back of the rocket, creating a net force in the direction of travel, accelerating the rocket.

9 pages of this thread, countless others and he can't wrap his head around it yet.

I actually asked (very embarrassed) my friend with a PHD last night how a rocket works in a vacuum, surprisingly its how it works anywhere according to her.

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« Reply #268 on: June 02, 2016, 04:09:51 AM »
I changed my mind.

You don't have a mind.

The fuel's mass is being pushed out of the back of the rocket, creating a net force in the direction of travel, accelerating the rocket.

Oh, so the whole 'object A & object B', Newton's 3rd Law, thing is irrelevant now?

Meh.

Papa you shovel better than any man ive ever met

So you've met me now?

Meh.

I actually asked (very embarrassed) my friend with a PHD last night how a rocket works in a vacuum

No you didn't.

At the pub watching state of origin...

Just another Satanist & his PhD lady-friend sat in the pub watching rugby & talking about rockets, eh?

Never happened, you nutter.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #269 on: June 02, 2016, 05:27:05 AM »

Anyhoo, if 'the exhaust is object B', as sokarul & all you retards claim, then in the following three examples the Fins of the fish, Wings of the bird & Wheels of the car respectively all also constitute 'object B':
Yes, when the water, air and road respectively constitute 'object A'.

Notice that no one ever claimed that fish, birds or cars carry their own reaction mass like rockets do.

LMFAO!!!

'Because nonsense...!'

You haven't channelled Lewis Carroll for a while, Humpty Dumpty...

Good to see you up to your old tricks.
So you don't disagree with what I said.  Noted.
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