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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1500 on: July 15, 2016, 09:15:14 AM »
Like I said, when you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...

All you have left is shitposting.

I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:

A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Which is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html

This proves a gas-powered rocket would also do no work in a vacuum.

PROVES, markjo.

Here is the definition of 'work':

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

No work=no force=no movement.

Game fucking over shills.

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1501 on: July 15, 2016, 09:29:54 AM »
Have anything that wasn't already destroyed?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1502 on: July 15, 2016, 09:30:19 AM »
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on July 15, 2016, 07:54:03 AM
An equal force IS applied, but it's not opposite. That's called the weak form of Newton's third law. I can give you many examples, but instead I will stick to the simplest and most popular one. If we have a charge A moving along the x axis and a charge B moving along the y axis, they are equivalent to currents along these directions, and that creates magnetic fields. Now it's a bit complicated to show why exactly and I can't do it since I am on my phone, but A applies a force on B that is parallel to the x axis and B applies a force on A that is parallel to the y axis. The forces are equal, but they're not opposite, they're perpendicular to each other.

Right, because there's momentum in the electric and magnetic fields themselves that is being converted to net linear momentum as the charged particles move away from each other.  I did not know this!
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1503 on: July 15, 2016, 09:33:47 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:15:14 AM
A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Except for the part where the vacuum is in an enclosed chamber with a volume (V_2 - V_1).  Whereas space is not.

Except for the part where the rocket exhaust is expelled from the rocket and not kept in a second tank.

Except for the part that makes the rocket a rocket.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1504 on: July 15, 2016, 09:37:38 AM »
Like I said, when you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...

All you have left is shitposting.

I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:

A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Which is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html

This proves a gas-powered rocket would also do no work in a vacuum.

PROVES, markjo.

Here is the definition of 'work':

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

No work=no force=no movement.

Game fucking over shills.


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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1505 on: July 15, 2016, 09:42:44 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:15:14 AM
I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:
Like Newton's 3rd law (the topic of this thread)?

Or the law of conservation of momentum?

Or Newton's 2nd law?

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:15:14 AM
A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.
Does a force pair exist between the pressurized gas and its vessel?

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:15:14 AM
Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.
Did Joule use a burning propellant as the gas in his experiment?

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:15:14 AM
No work=no force=no movement.
How did the pressurized gas move into the vacuum if there was no movement?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1506 on: July 15, 2016, 09:45:51 AM »
You just don't get it do you?

When you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...

All you have left is shitposting.

I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:

A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Which is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html

This proves a gas-powered rocket would also do no work in a vacuum.

PROVES, markjo.

Here is the definition of 'work':

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

No work=no force=no movement.

Game fucking over shills.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1507 on: July 15, 2016, 09:46:38 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:37:38 AM
A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Except for the part where the vacuum is in an enclosed chamber with a volume (V_2 - V_1).  Whereas space is not.

Except for the part where the rocket exhaust is expelled from the rocket and not kept in a second tank.

Except for the part that makes the rocket a rocket.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1508 on: July 15, 2016, 10:05:30 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
You just don't get it do you?
Obviously not. 

Why don't you explain it to me.

You can start with:
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.
Does a force pair exist between the pressurized gas and its vessel?

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.
Did Joule use a burning propellant as the gas in his experiment?

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
No work=no force=no movement.
How did the pressurized gas move into the vacuum if there was no movement?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1509 on: July 15, 2016, 10:20:45 AM »
When you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...

All you have left is shitposting.

I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:

A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Which is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html

This proves a gas-powered rocket would also do no work in a vacuum.

PROVES, markjo.

Here is the definition of 'work':

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

No work=no force=no movement.

Game fucking over shills.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1510 on: July 15, 2016, 10:27:07 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
When you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...
The debate is lost when you refuse to answer simple questions that you know will cause you to lose the debate.

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
All you have left is shitposting.
Yes, you're quite the authority on shitposting.

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:
Too bad that you don't know how to properly apply those laws.

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.
Does a force pair exist between the pressurized gas and its vessel?

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.
Did Joule use a burning propellant as the gas in his experiment?

Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
No work=no force=no movement.
How did the pressurized gas move into the vacuum if there was no movement?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1511 on: July 15, 2016, 10:48:56 AM »
Quote from: AdamSK on July 15, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on July 15, 2016, 07:54:03 AM
An equal force IS applied, but it's not opposite. That's called the weak form of Newton's third law. I can give you many examples, but instead I will stick to the simplest and most popular one. If we have a charge A moving along the x axis and a charge B moving along the y axis, they are equivalent to currents along these directions, and that creates magnetic fields. Now it's a bit complicated to show why exactly and I can't do it since I am on my phone, but A applies a force on B that is parallel to the x axis and B applies a force on A that is parallel to the y axis. The forces are equal, but they're not opposite, they're perpendicular to each other.

Right, because there's momentum in the electric and magnetic fields themselves that is being converted to net linear momentum as the charged particles move away from each other.  I did not know this!

Yeah, something like that. There are even more direct violations of Newton's laws in relativity and QM, but that's a very interesting example in classical physics!
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1512 on: July 15, 2016, 10:50:50 AM »
When you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...

All you have left is shitposting.

I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:

A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Which is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html

This proves a gas-powered rocket would also do no work in a vacuum.

PROVES, markjo.

Here is the definition of 'work':

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

No work=no force=no movement.

Game fucking over shills.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1513 on: July 15, 2016, 10:53:22 AM »
Ah shit... The Legba AI glitched into loop mode again...
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1514 on: July 15, 2016, 10:57:39 AM »
No; you started openly Lying.

And when you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...

All you have left is shitposting.

I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:

A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Which is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html

This proves a gas-powered rocket would also do no work in a vacuum.

PROVES, markjo.

Here is the definition of 'work':

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

No work=no force=no movement.

Game fucking over shills.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1515 on: July 15, 2016, 11:05:46 AM »
I started openly lying? Where?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1516 on: July 15, 2016, 11:09:49 AM »
I already told you, time wasting shill.

And when you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...

All you have left is shitposting.

I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:

A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Which is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html

This proves a gas-powered rocket would also do no work in a vacuum.

PROVES, markjo.

Here is the definition of 'work':

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

No work=no force=no movement.

Game fucking over shills.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1517 on: July 15, 2016, 11:39:39 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 11:09:49 AM
I already told you, time wasting shill.

And when you start openly Lying, the 'debate' is lost...

All you have left is shitposting.
Says the one posting the same lies over and over and over and over again.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1518 on: July 15, 2016, 02:18:00 PM »
You've already been proven wrong in this thread, and countless others you have created.

A rocket is NOTHING like joules free expansion. It's like connecting two balloons together one with a lower pressure and one side with a higher pressure. Open the valve in the centre and expecting it to take off.

If it means so much to you papa, build a vacuum chamber and test yourself.

Otherwise stop posting the same nonsense shit.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2016, 02:19:36 PM by TylerJRB »
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1519 on: July 15, 2016, 02:46:18 PM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
The Laws of Thermodynamics are not 'lies' markjo.
No, but you are a liar who tries to use the laws of thermodynamics deceptively.

Like when you try to claim that a rocket in space...
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
... is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

That is a lie, plain and simple.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1520 on: July 16, 2016, 12:06:34 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 15, 2016, 11:21:29 PM
I, however, have all the laws of science on my side:

The laws of physics are more on these guys side than your's.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1521 on: July 16, 2016, 12:41:16 AM »
Ok let's live Legba alone for a while, until he gets out of loop mode.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1522 on: July 16, 2016, 01:17:42 AM »
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on July 16, 2016, 12:41:16 AM
Ok let's live Legba alone for a while, until he gets out of loop mode.
Stop spewing lies and licking each other's dishes and you might get somewhere.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1523 on: July 16, 2016, 01:24:51 AM »
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 16, 2016, 01:17:42 AM
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on July 16, 2016, 12:41:16 AM
Ok let's live Legba alone for a while, until he gets out of loop mode.
Stop spewing lies and licking each other's dishes and you might get somewhere.

I haven't said a single lie since the beginning of this thread, stop sucking Legba's dick. Are you part of the same voodoo club or something?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1524 on: July 16, 2016, 01:37:19 AM »
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on July 16, 2016, 01:24:51 AM
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 16, 2016, 01:17:42 AM
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on July 16, 2016, 12:41:16 AM
Ok let's live Legba alone for a while, until he gets out of loop mode.
Stop spewing lies and licking each other's dishes and you might get somewhere.

I haven't said a single lie since the beginning of this thread, stop sucking Legba's dick. Are you part of the same voodoo club or something?
Like I said. Stop licking people's dishes and learn to think for yourself. Basically grow a pair and grow up, instead of waiting for back slaps from your like-minded peers for every dig you manage to get in against those that can think for themselves.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1525 on: July 16, 2016, 01:54:37 AM »
You know how Papa and Skepti both think quantom machines is fake, so I guess they think flash drive manufacturers are in on the conspiracy.
https://m.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/26ylzf/i_read_that_quantum_tunneling_is_commonly_used_in/
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1526 on: July 16, 2016, 03:42:08 AM »
You know how Papa and Skepti both think quantom machines is fake, so I guess they think flash drive manufacturers are in on the conspiracy.
https://m.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/26ylzf/i_read_that_quantum_tunneling_is_commonly_used_in/
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1527 on: July 16, 2016, 05:06:43 AM »
Quote from: Papa Legba on July 16, 2016, 03:47:06 AM
STFU sokarul.

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on July 16, 2016, 01:24:51 AM
I haven't said a single lie since the beginning of this thread

You're lying about your lies now?

Look:

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on July 14, 2016, 01:00:25 PM
At least we went from Legba claiming a rocket and its fuel should be considered the same object and saying Newton's laws disprove the functionality of rockets in a vacuum to Legba at least accepting that they're two objects

^Lie.

Now back to real science:

A rocket in space very much resembles a pressurised vessel separated from a vacuum by a valve.

Which is remarkably similar to the conditions of the Joule free expansion experiment.

Once the valve of the Joule expansion experiment was opened, the pressurised gas released into the vacuum was found to do no work.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html

This proves a gas-powered rocket would also do no work in a vacuum.

PROVES, markjo.

Here is the definition of 'work':

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html

No work=no force=no movement.

Game fucking over shills.

That's not a lie. You know they're not one. You're talking about them as if they're not one. It's just that you're really stubborn and you don't admit it.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1528 on: July 16, 2016, 05:19:15 AM »
I'm not psychic, I'm just not an idiot. All this time you've been talking about a gas (for our purposes, one object) and a chamber that contains it (another object). 1+1=2. You're talking about 2 objects, but you're either too stubborn or dense to realize it and admit it.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #1529 on: July 16, 2016, 05:43:05 AM »
What's a "paedo"? It sounds edible...

Anyway, I'm definitely not lying, definitely not autistic, definitely not blackmailed (your insults keep getting more and more random) and definitely not a pedophile (you're probably thinking of your self, you're supposedly really old and you sound creepy). I don't know what a "paedo" is.

Back to the debate now. Oh wait, no, you lost.
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