Dinosaurs: Made In China

Quote from: John Davis on August 24, 2016, 09:07:33 AM

Its not a matter of imagination or belief.

They are impossible. Under their weight they would have crushed themselves and their necessary intake of calories would have decimated the environment.

Your only argument is that you like dinosaurs. Because like everybody else you were sold on them since childhood through silly cartoons, or movies or toys.

You told me you didnt rely on conspiracy theories??

But now you back the dinosaur fossil conspiracy >    cmon man!!

So, for FE to exist, we now have to assume the following people anf organizations are either actively covering up FE, or are extremely stupid:

- All major religions
- All space agencies
- All meteorological organizations
- All surveyors
- All pilots
- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally
- All universities
- All paleontologists
- All astronomers
- Everyone who has ever taken an transcontinental flight
- All penguins

But FET stands tall. They have a dude from the Nineteenth century that did not know how to use surveying equipment.

Impressive.

However to try and claim all of these folks would have to be in on it is silly.

They could simply be mistaken. This would not be 'stupid' of them at all. After all, they can't know it all can they?

I am building off of the content within The Flat Earth Conspiracy by Eric Dubay, There Are No Forests On The Flat Earth by a youtuber, Damned Facts, by Charles Fort.

You are telling me you really do believe there were giant dragons romping around that are too large to support their own structure and unable to feed themselves on the available bio"sphere" ?! The first one found was a fraud to display to dinner guests in some rich old eccentrics lobby. They threw together some bones and added on a fake Iguana head. Somebody got jealous and created their own frankenstein out of a Crocodile. This all got into the hands of a very convincing speaker, and the American mind was captured in the fun myth of Dinosaurs - brought on by an emerging 'field of science' - hrm.

Its very interesting to watch the creation of the new monk class during the emergence of science as a profession.

Quote from: Omega on August 24, 2016, 09:53:58 AM

So, for FE to exist, we now have to assume the following people anf organizations are either actively covering up FE, or are extremely stupid:

- All major religions
- All space agencies
- All meteorological organizations
- All surveyors
- All pilots
- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally
- All universities
- All paleontologists
- All astronomers
- Everyone who has ever taken an transcontinental flight
- All penguins

But FET stands tall. They have a dude from the Nineteenth century that did not know how to use surveying equipment.

Impressive.

I doubt many flatists would agree with me about Penguins. Perhaps a few about dinosaurs. A good handful with the moon. However to try and claim all of these folks would have to be in on it is silly.

Make no mistake though, paleontologists are in a crooked profession built around the false discovery of chicken bones into dino-dragons. Most likely don't realize they are in such a profession and just go about their studies; they assume the fake dinosaur parts are in fact real ones, by folly or ignorance, and invent all sorts of deductions from this - painting their own little ancient fantasy filled with giant lizards.

Quote from: John Davis on August 24, 2016, 07:31:50 AM

I am building off of the content within The Flat Earth Conspiracy by Eric Dubay, There Are No Forests On The Flat Earth by a youtuber, Damned Facts, by Charles Fort.

You are telling me you really do believe there were giant dragons romping around that are too large to support their own structure and unable to feed themselves on the available bio"sphere" ?! The first one found was a fraud to display to dinner guests in some rich old eccentrics lobby. They threw together some bones and added on a fake Iguana head. Somebody got jealous and created their own frankenstein out of a Crocodile. This all got into the hands of a very convincing speaker, and the American mind was captured in the fun myth of Dinosaurs - brought on by an emerging 'field of science' - hrm.

Its very interesting to watch the creation of the new monk class during the emergence of science as a profession.

Who said that they can't support their own weight? I do know that dinosaurs can't get to their original size if they are living today because they have a low oxygen intake. So the logical answer is they had more air back then than we do now. That's how the bugs got so huge. And I was skimming the thread up until now so I may have misread but didn't you claimed that trees grew miles high? If so then isn't that a bit hypocritical to believe in trees miles high with no evidence to show for yet disbelieve in dinosaurs that literally anyone can find if they search in the right places?

Quote from: John Davis on August 24, 2016, 10:04:52 AM

Quote from: Omega on August 24, 2016, 09:53:58 AM

So, for FE to exist, we now have to assume the following people anf organizations are either actively covering up FE, or are extremely stupid:

- All major religions
- All space agencies
- All meteorological organizations
- All surveyors
- All pilots
- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally
- All universities
- All paleontologists
- All astronomers
- Everyone who has ever taken an transcontinental flight
- All penguins

But FET stands tall. They have a dude from the Nineteenth century that did not know how to use surveying equipment.

Impressive.

I doubt many flatists would agree with me about Penguins. Perhaps a few about dinosaurs. A good handful with the moon. However to try and claim all of these folks would have to be in on it is silly.

Make no mistake though, paleontologists are in a crooked profession built around the false discovery of chicken bones into dino-dragons. Most likely don't realize they are in such a profession and just go about their studies; they assume the fake dinosaur parts are in fact real ones, by folly or ignorance, and invent all sorts of deductions from this - painting their own little ancient fantasy filled with giant lizards.

The list of those "in the know" goes far deeper than that.

As I have written numerous times there are (probably many) millions who simply get on with their daily work using the fact that the earth is a globe, that satellites are really there, that microwave link spacings and that distances are as on the globe and NOT on any flat earth model we have seen.

Satellite TV installers, remote YV broadcasters point their dishes at a known point high above in a given direction - it works.

We take road, rail and air journeys in the Southern Hemishpere and the distances are as on the Globe, not on any Flat Earth map we have seen.

Aircraft and ship navigators plan routes using the Globe directions and distances. They get there and with the planned fuel loads!

If the distances we see on any flat earth map were correct these ships would run out of fuel long before they reached their destination.

So, while you try to claim that an accurate map is a diversion, it is absolutely vital.

And worrying over dinosaurs is also a diversion from explanations about what I see about me with my own eyes that does not fit any flat earth model.

You are simply setting up a strawman to argue against, as no serious flatist holds all those people would be involved.

They could simply be mistaken. This would not be 'stupid' of them at all. After all, they can't know it all can they?

So, for FE to exist, we now have to assume the following people anf organizations are either actively covering up FE, or are extremely stupid:

- All major religions

- All space agencies

- All meteorological organizations

- All surveyors

- All pilots

- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally

- All universities
- All paleontologists

- All astronomers

- Everyone who has ever taken an transcontinental flight

- All penguins

But FET stands tall. They have a dude from the Nineteenth century that did not know how to use surveying equipment.

Impressive.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on August 24, 2016, 08:04:19 PM

Quote from: John Davis on August 24, 2016, 07:31:50 AM

I am building off of the content within The Flat Earth Conspiracy by Eric Dubay, There Are No Forests On The Flat Earth by a youtuber, Damned Facts, by Charles Fort.

You are telling me you really do believe there were giant dragons romping around that are too large to support their own structure and unable to feed themselves on the available bio"sphere" ?! The first one found was a fraud to display to dinner guests in some rich old eccentrics lobby. They threw together some bones and added on a fake Iguana head. Somebody got jealous and created their own frankenstein out of a Crocodile. This all got into the hands of a very convincing speaker, and the American mind was captured in the fun myth of Dinosaurs - brought on by an emerging 'field of science' - hrm.

Its very interesting to watch the creation of the new monk class during the emergence of science as a profession.

Who said that they can't support their own weight? I do know that dinosaurs can't get to their original size if they are living today because they have a low oxygen intake. So the logical answer is they had more air back then than we do now. That's how the bugs got so huge. And I was skimming the thread up until now so I may have misread but didn't you claimed that trees grew miles high? If so then isn't that a bit hypocritical to believe in trees miles high with no evidence to show for yet disbelieve in dinosaurs that literally anyone can find if they search in the right places?

Large trees don't suffer from the same issues large mammals or reptiles would.

Sure, anybody can find dinosaurs if they search the right places - except the combined population of the world from before 1676 to the dawn of civilization. That's a lot of people! Consider how much marble was used up until this point! Consider the relatively huge number of dinosaur 'artifacts' found near river banks and other highly travelled areas.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 25, 2016, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: John Davis on August 24, 2016, 10:04:52 AM

Quote from: Omega on August 24, 2016, 09:53:58 AM

So, for FE to exist, we now have to assume the following people anf organizations are either actively covering up FE, or are extremely stupid:

- All major religions
- All space agencies
- All meteorological organizations
- All surveyors
- All pilots
- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally
- All universities
- All paleontologists
- All astronomers
- Everyone who has ever taken an transcontinental flight
- All penguins

But FET stands tall. They have a dude from the Nineteenth century that did not know how to use surveying equipment.

Impressive.

I doubt many flatists would agree with me about Penguins. Perhaps a few about dinosaurs. A good handful with the moon. However to try and claim all of these folks would have to be in on it is silly.

Make no mistake though, paleontologists are in a crooked profession built around the false discovery of chicken bones into dino-dragons. Most likely don't realize they are in such a profession and just go about their studies; they assume the fake dinosaur parts are in fact real ones, by folly or ignorance, and invent all sorts of deductions from this - painting their own little ancient fantasy filled with giant lizards.

The list of those "in the know" goes far deeper than that.

As I have written numerous times there are (probably many) millions who simply get on with their daily work using the fact that the earth is a globe, that satellites are really there, that microwave link spacings and that distances are as on the globe and NOT on any flat earth model we have seen.

Satellite TV installers, remote YV broadcasters point their dishes at a known point high above in a given direction - it works.

We take road, rail and air journeys in the Southern Hemishpere and the distances are as on the Globe, not on any Flat Earth map we have seen.

Aircraft and ship navigators plan routes using the Globe directions and distances. They get there and with the planned fuel loads!

If the distances we see on any flat earth map were correct these ships would run out of fuel long before they reached their destination.

So, while you try to claim that an accurate map is a diversion, it is absolutely vital.

And worrying over dinosaurs is also a diversion from explanations about what I see about me with my own eyes that does not fit any flat earth model.

You have no observations that cannot be explained in my flat earth model. More than this, the kind of lazy thinking that instantly makes every single person in the world part of the conspiracy to attempt to disprove its existence is a joke. You are simply setting up a strawman to argue against, as no serious flatist holds all those people would be involved.

Assuming there was a conspiracy, this is not the case. However, there need not have to be a conspiracy for the earth to be flat. Well, perhaps a conspiracy of ignorance.

Quote from: Omega on August 24, 2016, 09:53:58 AM

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- All pilots

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Funny you should mention that, because we have a moderator that is an engineer and pilot and has testified that he has never seen any such curvature and has never seen any evidence through flight that the earth was a globe. When I talk with folks about the issue, usually those saying they have reveal within a sentence or two they were either on a commercial jet that's too low to see curvature - even if the earth was round - or that they were in a military vehicle and their field of sight was restricted.

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- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally

Have you ever looked into the algorithms used for such things? Seldom is the curvature even bothered with, for similar reasons that sailors use 'plane sailing.

Funny when I crossed oceans I used this method to shorten the distance:

http://www.coastalboating.net/Resources/Navigation/Calculators/greatcircle.html

For sailing short distances I use methods assuming a plane when navigating.  When covering large distances I use a method that assumes I am on a globe.

If you are truly not interested in spreading disinformation look up the difference between plane, Mercator and great circle sailing. 

Quote from: John Davis on August 26, 2016, 09:59:21 AM

Assuming there was a conspiracy, this is not the case. However, there need not have to be a conspiracy for the earth to be flat. Well, perhaps a conspiracy of ignorance.

Quote from: Omega on August 24, 2016, 09:53:58 AM

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- All pilots

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Funny you should mention that, because we have a moderator that is an engineer and pilot and has testified that he has never seen any such curvature and has never seen any evidence through flight that the earth was a globe. When I talk with folks about the issue, usually those saying they have reveal within a sentence or two they were either on a commercial jet that's too low to see curvature - even if the earth was round - or that they were in a military vehicle and their field of sight was restricted.

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- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally

Have you ever looked into the algorithms used for such things? Seldom is the curvature even bothered with, for similar reasons that sailors use 'plane sailing.

Funny when I crossed oceans I used this method to shorten the distance:

http://www.coastalboating.net/Resources/Navigation/Calculators/greatcircle.html

For sailing short distances I use methods assuming a plane when navigating.  When covering large distances I use a method that assumes I am on a globe.

If you are truly not interested in spreading disinformation look up the difference between plane, Mercator and great circle sailing. 

Great circles are completely coherent with a flat earth. You have to wake up pretty early in the morning to fool us.

There still exists the option that they are just wrong and there is no conspiracy. We are dealing with professions that are based on lying, cheating, and breaking the rules to gain the funding and grants they need for their pet theories. Again and again studies show that peer review is a joke, scientists and academics routinely engage in academic misconduct, and that the reason why most studies are wrong is because of interests such as funding. Its not that far of a stretch to say that we were wrong yet once again.

Noted zeteticist Eric Dubay in his book The Flat Earth Conspiracy talked at length about the dinosaur lie.

In his extensive research that certainly did not limit itself to a google search and copy pasting entire books worth of 1800s era flat earth literature, he encovered that Dinosaur fossils are actually created in China by this company.
He claims matter of factly that bird and animal bones are 'melted down' and made into fake dinosaur fossils.

Are dinosaurs real? As Daniel is currently located in Hong Kong, I'll send along a message to see if he can delve a bit deeper. Until then, are dinosaurs fake?

Or did they build floating nests to migrate? Or is the area of our dome expanding due to green house gasses? Did dinosaurs travel here from outside the firmament? Are they attracted to the moonlight that is so dangerous to man? Are they just big birds?

You could not be more incorrect. I am not a failed man, but the leading Zetetic scientist of our time. I have advanced our knowledge of the universe more so than any one other person since Rowbotham himself. When the veil is lifted from the eyes of the world, they will sing songs to laud the sacrifices that have led to what we know about the flat earth.

It is you, good sir, who sits in fantasy. The Earth is Flat - its plane as that. I bring up legitimate points, and instead of addressing them you attack the man. You have no argument, and you can't even support your own views. I show you the truth of the flat earth, and you are content to pat yourself on the back and spit downwards on others.

Academia is a rotten wasteland of corruption and it needs to be gutted, and you are a fool to stand with it.

You could not be more incorrect. I am not a failed man, but the leading Zetetic scientist of our time. I have advanced our knowledge of the universe more so than any one other person since Rowbotham himself. When the veil is lifted from the eyes of the world, they will sing songs to laud the sacrifices that have led to what we know about the flat earth.

It is you, good sir, who sits in fantasy. The Earth is Flat - its plane as that. I bring up legitimate points, and instead of addressing them you attack the man. You have no argument, and you can't even support your own views. I show you the truth of the flat earth, and you are content to pat yourself on the back and spit downwards on others.

Academia is a rotten wasteland of corruption and it needs to be gutted, and you are a fool to stand with it.

You could not be more incorrect. I am not a failed man, but the leading Zetetic scientist of our time. I have advanced our knowledge of the universe more so than any one other person since Rowbotham himself. When the veil is lifted from the eyes of the world, they will sing songs to laud the sacrifices that have led to what we know about the flat earth.

It is you, good sir, who sits in fantasy. The Earth is Flat - its plane as that. I bring up legitimate points, and instead of addressing them you attack the man. You have no argument, and you can't even support your own views. I show you the truth of the flat earth, and you are content to pat yourself on the back and spit downwards on others.

Academia is a rotten wasteland of corruption and it needs to be gutted, and you are a fool to stand with it.

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2016, 11:53:35 AM

You could not be more incorrect. I am not a failed man, but the leading Zetetic scientist of our time. I have advanced our knowledge of the universe more so than any one other person since Rowbotham himself. When the veil is lifted from the eyes of the world, they will sing songs to laud the sacrifices that have led to what we know about the flat earth.

It is you, good sir, who sits in fantasy. The Earth is Flat - its plane as that. I bring up legitimate points, and instead of addressing them you attack the man. You have no argument, and you can't even support your own views. I show you the truth of the flat earth, and you are content to pat yourself on the back and spit downwards on others.

Academia is a rotten wasteland of corruption and it needs to be gutted, and you are a fool to stand with it.

I believe you are learning Chinese...

你他妈的

Quote from: Lonegranger on December 17, 2016, 12:25:33 PM

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2016, 11:53:35 AM

You could not be more incorrect. I am not a failed man, but the leading Zetetic scientist of our time. I have advanced our knowledge of the universe more so than any one other person since Rowbotham himself. When the veil is lifted from the eyes of the world, they will sing songs to laud the sacrifices that have led to what we know about the flat earth.
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Academia is a rotten wasteland of corruption and it needs to be gutted, and you are a fool to stand with it.

I believe you are learning Chinese...

你他妈的

Actually a rough translation would be

"My hovercraft is full of eeels"

There will be a bonus of 50 flat earth doubloons for anyone who can name the show that phrase was taken from...they were almost a big a bunch of jokers as that man Davis!

Quote from: Woody on September 29, 2016, 08:38:38 PM

Quote from: John Davis on August 26, 2016, 09:59:21 AM

Assuming there was a conspiracy, this is not the case. However, there need not have to be a conspiracy for the earth to be flat. Well, perhaps a conspiracy of ignorance.

Quote from: Omega on August 24, 2016, 09:53:58 AM

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- All pilots

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Funny you should mention that, because we have a moderator that is an engineer and pilot and has testified that he has never seen any such curvature and has never seen any evidence through flight that the earth was a globe. When I talk with folks about the issue, usually those saying they have reveal within a sentence or two they were either on a commercial jet that's too low to see curvature - even if the earth was round - or that they were in a military vehicle and their field of sight was restricted.

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- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally

Have you ever looked into the algorithms used for such things? Seldom is the curvature even bothered with, for similar reasons that sailors use 'plane sailing.

Funny when I crossed oceans I used this method to shorten the distance:

http://www.coastalboating.net/Resources/Navigation/Calculators/greatcircle.html

For sailing short distances I use methods assuming a plane when navigating.  When covering large distances I use a method that assumes I am on a globe.

If you are truly not interested in spreading disinformation look up the difference between plane, Mercator and great circle sailing. 

Great circles are completely coherent with a flat earth. You have to wake up pretty early in the morning to fool us.

Quote from: John Davis on December 17, 2016, 11:20:31 AM

Quote from: Woody on September 29, 2016, 08:38:38 PM

Quote from: John Davis on August 26, 2016, 09:59:21 AM

Assuming there was a conspiracy, this is not the case. However, there need not have to be a conspiracy for the earth to be flat. Well, perhaps a conspiracy of ignorance.

Quote from: Omega on August 24, 2016, 09:53:58 AM

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- All pilots

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Funny you should mention that, because we have a moderator that is an engineer and pilot and has testified that he has never seen any such curvature and has never seen any evidence through flight that the earth was a globe. When I talk with folks about the issue, usually those saying they have reveal within a sentence or two they were either on a commercial jet that's too low to see curvature - even if the earth was round - or that they were in a military vehicle and their field of sight was restricted.

Quote

- All cargo and freight delivering companies that transport internationally

Have you ever looked into the algorithms used for such things? Seldom is the curvature even bothered with, for similar reasons that sailors use 'plane sailing.

Funny when I crossed oceans I used this method to shorten the distance:

http://www.coastalboating.net/Resources/Navigation/Calculators/greatcircle.html

For sailing short distances I use methods assuming a plane when navigating.  When covering large distances I use a method that assumes I am on a globe.

If you are truly not interested in spreading disinformation look up the difference between plane, Mercator and great circle sailing. 

Great circles are completely coherent with a flat earth. You have to wake up pretty early in the morning to fool us.

How is it coherent with a flat earth? For great circle sailing to work the great circles must be the shortest paths, which is the definition of a straight line. If the angles we get for navigating are correct then the sum angles in a triangle of great circles is greater than 180^o, which means that the space isn't flat. If the angles we get for navigating are wrong then clearly great circle navigation shouldn't work since we would be sailing in the wrong directions.
So either the surface isn't flat or great circle navigation doesn't work.

Your no fun....at least make an attempt to guess what show the phrase regarding the eels if from. The Chinese phrase is somewhat more fuck you!...but mr Davis deserves that for being such a  prat.