Dinosaurs: Made In China

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #150 on: May 25, 2016, 02:46:41 PM »
The council of Nicene comes to mind as well.

It sure does, along with all the other ecumenical councils since, where they've removed/added to/rewritten/reinterpreted the supposed "unchanging" word of god. Wasn't it at the first Nicene Council where they elevated the Jesus character and story from a normal man appointed by god to be his son later in life, to the supposed son of god from birth?

If I'm not mistaken it was also when the new testament was trimmed down from fifty something books containing the "unchanging" word of god to the twenty seven we have now.

No, it was not at all like that.

1. As we can see from extant pre.nicene texts (including resently found papyri) the council of Nicea did not change the texts Also that would have been impossible considering the great independence every episcopal see enjoyed by that time and the many schismatic groups that kept a jealous watch over everything the majority church did.

2. No, the story of the virgin birth fpr example originated in the 1st century. Also the doctrine of the pre-existence of Christ. Paul in the epistle to the Romans assumes an Adoptianist Christology (as you describe it), as does "Mark", but in "John" Christ is already clearly regarded at a celestial being and the son of god, who has come to earth. The oldest fragments of the gospel of John are from the early 2nd century. Beside that all extant pre-nicene suthors hold a similar view (exept a few Adoptianists, whose writings are lost). Of course they also quoted frequently from the books of the NT.

3. It is true that some books, that were regarded as canonical by many pre-nicene authors, were excluded from the bible by the councel.

1. The whole point of the first council was to unify the multitude of christian sects into a homogeneous group so they'd stop warring and killing each other, there were changes and omissions within the texts, none of the sects were completely happy with the outcome, it was after all it was forced on them by Constantine.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #151 on: May 25, 2016, 03:29:42 PM »
The council of Nicene comes to mind as well.

It sure does, along with all the other ecumenical councils since, where they've removed/added to/rewritten/reinterpreted the supposed "unchanging" word of god. Wasn't it at the first Nicene Council where they elevated the Jesus character and story from a normal man appointed by god to be his son later in life, to the supposed son of god from birth?

If I'm not mistaken it was also when the new testament was trimmed down from fifty something books containing the "unchanging" word of god to the twenty seven we have now.

No, it was not at all like that.

1. As we can see from extant pre.nicene texts (including resently found papyri) the council of Nicea did not change the texts Also that would have been impossible considering the great independence every episcopal see enjoyed by that time and the many schismatic groups that kept a jealous watch over everything the majority church did.

2. No, the story of the virgin birth fpr example originated in the 1st century. Also the doctrine of the pre-existence of Christ. Paul in the epistle to the Romans assumes an Adoptianist Christology (as you describe it), as does "Mark", but in "John" Christ is already clearly regarded at a celestial being and the son of god, who has come to earth. The oldest fragments of the gospel of John are from the early 2nd century. Beside that all extant pre-nicene suthors hold a similar view (exept a few Adoptianists, whose writings are lost). Of course they also quoted frequently from the books of the NT.

3. It is true that some books, that were regarded as canonical by many pre-nicene authors, were excluded from the bible by the councel.

1. The whole point of the first council was to unify the multitude of christian sects into a homogeneous group so they'd stop warring and killing each other, there were changes and omissions within the texts, none of the sects were completely happy with the outcome, it was after all it was forced on them by Constantine.

There were no changes of the extent your post suggests. That was my whole point. Jesus was not regarded as a human prior to the Nicene councel. They didn't invent Christianity, the councels were just decisive steps in the development of Christianity as we know it.

No, there was no "warring and killing each other" between the Christian sects prior to the Councel of Nicene. There were quarrel all the time, but no bloodshed. They were all persecuted by the Roman state only 10 years ago.

You better not teach me about early church history. You better not.

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #152 on: May 25, 2016, 04:03:21 PM »
The council of Nicene comes to mind as well.

It sure does, along with all the other ecumenical councils since, where they've removed/added to/rewritten/reinterpreted the supposed "unchanging" word of god. Wasn't it at the first Nicene Council where they elevated the Jesus character and story from a normal man appointed by god to be his son later in life, to the supposed son of god from birth?

If I'm not mistaken it was also when the new testament was trimmed down from fifty something books containing the "unchanging" word of god to the twenty seven we have now.

No, it was not at all like that.

1. As we can see from extant pre.nicene texts (including resently found papyri) the council of Nicea did not change the texts Also that would have been impossible considering the great independence every episcopal see enjoyed by that time and the many schismatic groups that kept a jealous watch over everything the majority church did.

2. No, the story of the virgin birth fpr example originated in the 1st century. Also the doctrine of the pre-existence of Christ. Paul in the epistle to the Romans assumes an Adoptianist Christology (as you describe it), as does "Mark", but in "John" Christ is already clearly regarded at a celestial being and the son of god, who has come to earth. The oldest fragments of the gospel of John are from the early 2nd century. Beside that all extant pre-nicene suthors hold a similar view (exept a few Adoptianists, whose writings are lost). Of course they also quoted frequently from the books of the NT.

3. It is true that some books, that were regarded as canonical by many pre-nicene authors, were excluded from the bible by the councel.

1. The whole point of the first council was to unify the multitude of christian sects into a homogeneous group so they'd stop warring and killing each other, there were changes and omissions within the texts, none of the sects were completely happy with the outcome, it was after all it was forced on them by Constantine.

There were no changes of the extent your post suggests. That was my whole point. Jesus was not regarded as a human prior to the Nicene councel. They didn't invent Christianity, the councels were just decisive steps in the development of Christianity as we know it.

No, there was no "warring and killing each other" between the Christian sects prior to the Councel of Nicene. There were quarrel all the time, but no bloodshed. They were all persecuted by the Roman state only 10 years ago.

You better not teach me about early church history. You better not.

Hang on, wasn't one of the main thrusts of the first council to decide weather or not Jesus was eternally divine or not? Wasn't that question specifically with reference to some sects arguing that he was divinely chosen as apposed to divine by birth? You don't think that that would have been a major rewrite for many of the sects? So the sects weren't rioting and having violent clashes in the streets of the Rome empire? The pamphlet wars between the sects didn't exist?
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #153 on: May 25, 2016, 05:20:45 PM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.


Unfossilized dinosaur bones that exist only on creationist websites are no evidence. Show me a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal supporting the existence of such bones, and I will repent, renounce the works of Satan and accept Fred Flintstone as my personal savior. Or who is it you people pray to?

Would unfossilized skin or blood due? After all they are less rugged as bones.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy_2.html

The title of the article gives the wrong impression, from further into the article we have;

"....the mineralization has been so rapid..."

and

"Research into Dakota's fossilized skin....."

They also said this.

"The 3-D preservation of the skin has also prompted the researchers to search for traces of unfossilized soft tissue in the hopes that it might yield protein."

There are examples of organic material preserved inside fossils. But this requires very special circumstances. That's remarkable, but does not help your point. Sorry, I'm still unsaved.

Why wouldn't it help my case?
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #154 on: May 25, 2016, 05:22:12 PM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.


Unfossilized dinosaur bones that exist only on creationist websites are no evidence. Show me a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal supporting the existence of such bones, and I will repent, renounce the works of Satan and accept Fred Flintstone as my personal savior. Or who is it you people pray to?

Would unfossilized skin or blood due? After all they are less rugged as bones.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy_2.html

The title of the article gives the wrong impression, from further into the article we have;

"....the mineralization has been so rapid..."

and

"Research into Dakota's fossilized skin....."

They also said this.

"The 3-D preservation of the skin has also prompted the researchers to search for traces of unfossilized soft tissue in the hopes that it might yield protein."

Does it say they found any?

They did with the T. rex fossil.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #155 on: May 25, 2016, 05:41:09 PM »
The council of Nicene comes to mind as well.

It sure does, along with all the other ecumenical councils since, where they've removed/added to/rewritten/reinterpreted the supposed "unchanging" word of god. Wasn't it at the first Nicene Council where they elevated the Jesus character and story from a normal man appointed by god to be his son later in life, to the supposed son of god from birth?

If I'm not mistaken it was also when the new testament was trimmed down from fifty something books containing the "unchanging" word of god to the twenty seven we have now.

No, it was not at all like that.

1. As we can see from extant pre.nicene texts (including resently found papyri) the council of Nicea did not change the texts Also that would have been impossible considering the great independence every episcopal see enjoyed by that time and the many schismatic groups that kept a jealous watch over everything the majority church did.

2. No, the story of the virgin birth fpr example originated in the 1st century. Also the doctrine of the pre-existence of Christ. Paul in the epistle to the Romans assumes an Adoptianist Christology (as you describe it), as does "Mark", but in "John" Christ is already clearly regarded at a celestial being and the son of god, who has come to earth. The oldest fragments of the gospel of John are from the early 2nd century. Beside that all extant pre-nicene suthors hold a similar view (exept a few Adoptianists, whose writings are lost). Of course they also quoted frequently from the books of the NT.

3. It is true that some books, that were regarded as canonical by many pre-nicene authors, were excluded from the bible by the councel.

1. The whole point of the first council was to unify the multitude of christian sects into a homogeneous group so they'd stop warring and killing each other, there were changes and omissions within the texts, none of the sects were completely happy with the outcome, it was after all it was forced on them by Constantine.

There were no changes of the extent your post suggests. That was my whole point. Jesus was not regarded as a human prior to the Nicene councel. They didn't invent Christianity, the councels were just decisive steps in the development of Christianity as we know it.

No, there was no "warring and killing each other" between the Christian sects prior to the Councel of Nicene. There were quarrel all the time, but no bloodshed. They were all persecuted by the Roman state only 10 years ago.

You better not teach me about early church history. You better not.

Hang on, wasn't one of the main thrusts of the first council to decide weather or not Jesus was eternally divine or not? Wasn't that question specifically with reference to some sects arguing that he was divinely chosen as apposed to divine by birth? You don't think that that would have been a major rewrite for many of the sects? So the sects weren't rioting and having violent clashes in the streets of the Rome empire? The pamphlet wars between the sects didn't exist?

You must distinguish between sects and schisms.

From the beginning of Chrisianity there were different sects. One of them, the Ebionites, indeed saw Jesus as a mere human, chosen by God to be the Messiah. They observed the Mosaic law, rejected Paul es heretic and had no virgin birth. Others on the contrary, the Gnostics, did not believe that Jesus even had a real body at all. The formative Catholic Church did not seek unity with such movements, but comdemned them. So indeed, they was a continouus war of pamphlets.

As for schisms, there were a few in former times, both for personal and for doctrinal reasons. But they really became a big issue only, when the Church suddenly had gained unexpected power by the support it enjoyed under Constantine. The main conflict that led to the Councel of Nicene was the question, if Jesus was eternal or created. Created means, he was created prior to all other creation. You know, Jesus is the "Word of God". Everything else was created by God "through" Jesus, his Word. It's very odd. So both parties regarded Jesus as divine being, both taught that he was with God before he "came into the flesh". But some said, he was there forever, and some said he was not. It sounds strange, but this detail was a BIG issure.

The violence in the street began after the councel of Nicene. Because it actually didn't settle anything.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #156 on: May 25, 2016, 05:55:32 PM »
I for one put a lot worth into Jefferson's Bible. I think the teachings of Jesus himself are far under evaluated.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #157 on: May 25, 2016, 06:42:17 PM »
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I am quite familiar with the councel of nicene and their purpose. Also familiar with the problems Constantine had with his kingdom, and his actions to attempt to quell those issues.

Though he had very little to do with he cannon ect, most of the cannon was assembled before hand. I am aware of the two books he did not have included.

Can you include citations to the source of your information?


To those who say anything religious based has a biased agenda.....

Well yes I agree...most are biased. Yet let's not forget most "science" is 2 percent scientific method, 98 percent biased conclusion to the underlying agenda. So let's not be ignorantly bemused just because someone uses the key word "science".
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« Reply #158 on: May 25, 2016, 06:49:37 PM »
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I am quite familiar with the councel of nicene and their purpose. Also familiar with the problems Constantine had with his kingdom, and his actions to attempt to quell those issues.

Though he had very little to do with he cannon ect, most of the cannon was assembled before hand. I am aware of the two books he did not have included.

Can you include citations to the source of your information?


I have given very general information only. Hard to name a particular source. I read a lot about that stuff. Actually I find the development of Christian doctrine in the first 5 centuries very exiting.

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« Reply #159 on: May 25, 2016, 07:18:45 PM »
As do I. Even though I believe in Yehushua and Yahweh, you won't see me step foot in a church. Forgot the corruption obsession with power and control. Once you know the history that's enough for me.

I had never heard of the fight between the sects you were speaking of. That is why I was asking where you read that.
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« Reply #160 on: May 25, 2016, 07:51:52 PM »
The early church literature is full of polemics against Gnostics and other sects, like Ebionites, Montanists, Markionists etc. Christianity never was united.

I'm sure you find something about all of them in Wikipedia

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« Reply #161 on: May 25, 2016, 08:16:26 PM »
I for one put a lot worth into Jefferson's Bible. I think the teachings of Jesus himself are far under evaluated.

I think Jesus (and the entire bible, for that matter) is a lie. A fabrication, if you will. So where does that leave us?
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« Reply #162 on: May 25, 2016, 08:36:39 PM »
The early church literature is full of polemics against Gnostics and other sects, like Ebionites, Montanists, Markionists etc. Christianity never was united.

I'm sure you find something about all of them in Wikipedia

Oh I knew that. Hell they were arguing when Yehushua was still on earth and after he was sacrificed. There are even letters from Paul and Timothy trying to get people to stop arguing about the little things and dividing.

I just did not know they had a direct impact on the councel of nicene. As far as I have read Constantine did not give a crap about a god or anything else. He was just trying to get his kingdom in check. You can see that in Catholicism, influences from pagan religions and every other religion out there.

I for one put a lot worth into Jefferson's Bible. I think the teachings of Jesus himself are far under evaluated.

I think Jesus (and the entire bible, for that matter) is a lie. A fabrication, if you will. So where does that leave us?

I would say this is the most shocking news of the century from a guy who's signature suggest worshiping Satan while assaulting tiny felines.

At least the government is 100 percent honest with us, cares about us, 100 percent fiscally responsible, and the Pope is infallible.

I don't think I could take any more earth shattering news right now. My cognitive dissonance might start acting up again ::)
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« Reply #163 on: May 25, 2016, 09:14:09 PM »
Oh crap. I messed up! NASA will not be pleased. Dammit...
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« Reply #164 on: May 25, 2016, 10:14:59 PM »
Oh crap. I messed up! NASA will not be pleased. Dammit...

So why do you hate the Bible? Are you one of those people whom got burned by the idiocy, control, power, lies and ignorance of man made religion..err I mean Christianity, Catholicism, Islam and well..you get the point.

Or do you just find the whole idea not feasible ? 

Or are you a closet theist just mad at Yahweh?

Or are you a true satanist? Yes I know satanism is not the worship of satan, its more of worship of ones self. Which technically is what satan always promotes, kind of circular logic. Anyways, you get my drift I would imagine.
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« Reply #165 on: May 25, 2016, 10:44:58 PM »
I get your drift, yes. And I'm not really a satanist, I just play one on the internet. You know, because NASA.
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« Reply #166 on: May 25, 2016, 10:54:10 PM »
I get your drift, yes. And I'm not really a satanist, I just play one on the internet. You know, because NASA.

Oh I know..paid shill...sock puppet ect ect ect... What is your pay?? .10 cents a post?? What have you done with your 34 dollars  ;D
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« Reply #167 on: May 25, 2016, 11:10:06 PM »
I get your drift, yes. And I'm not really a satanist, I just play one on the internet. You know, because NASA.

Oh I know..paid shill...sock puppet ect ect ect... What is your pay?? .10 cents a post?? What have you done with your 34 dollars  ;D

Burgers and beer. Totally worth it.
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« Reply #168 on: May 25, 2016, 11:27:57 PM »
I get your drift, yes. And I'm not really a satanist, I just play one on the internet. You know, because NASA.

Oh I know..paid shill...sock puppet ect ect ect... What is your pay?? .10 cents a post?? What have you done with your 34 dollars  ;D

Burgers and beer. Totally worth it.

For 34 bucks, I would honestly skip the burgers. Just get the beer lol, a bag of nacho cheese Doritos. Those Doritos and a lager beer, it is a beautiful combo. If you post a few more post, get some mac and cheese to go with it. Thank me later, its spectacular. These are things I learned in college and never forgot ;D I still recreate at times


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« Reply #169 on: May 25, 2016, 11:56:41 PM »
I get your drift, yes. And I'm not really a satanist, I just play one on the internet. You know, because NASA.

Oh I know..paid shill...sock puppet ect ect ect... What is your pay?? .10 cents a post?? What have you done with your 34 dollars  ;D

Burgers and beer. Totally worth it.

For 34 bucks, I would honestly skip the burgers. Just get the beer lol, a bag of nacho cheese Doritos. Those Doritos and a lager beer, it is a beautiful combo. If you post a few more post, get some mac and cheese to go with it. Thank me later, its spectacular. These are things I learned in college and never forgot ;D I still recreate at times

Dammit man, you're making me hungry here! I gotta go buy some bacon...  :P
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« Reply #170 on: May 26, 2016, 12:00:43 AM »
I get your drift, yes. And I'm not really a satanist, I just play one on the internet. You know, because NASA.

Oh I know..paid shill...sock puppet ect ect ect... What is your pay?? .10 cents a post?? What have you done with your 34 dollars  ;D

Burgers and beer. Totally worth it.

For 34 bucks, I would honestly skip the burgers. Just get the beer lol, a bag of nacho cheese Doritos. Those Doritos and a lager beer, it is a beautiful combo. If you post a few more post, get some mac and cheese to go with it. Thank me later, its spectacular. These are things I learned in college and never forgot ;D I still recreate at times

Dammit man, you're making me hungry here! I gotta go buy some bacon...  :P

DAMN IT!!! Now I want some cinnamon toast crunch, some OJ and bacon!!
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« Reply #171 on: May 26, 2016, 03:42:24 AM »
The early church literature is full of polemics against Gnostics and other sects, like Ebionites, Montanists, Markionists etc. Christianity never was united.

I'm sure you find something about all of them in Wikipedia

Oh I knew that. Hell they were arguing when Yehushua was still on earth and after he was sacrificed. There are even letters from Paul and Timothy trying to get people to stop arguing about the little things and dividing.

I just did not know they had a direct impact on the councel of nicene. As far as I have read Constantine did not give a crap about a god or anything else. He was just trying to get his kingdom in check. You can see that in Catholicism, influences from pagan religions and every other religion out there.


The sects I mentioned had no impact on the Councel of Nicea.

Hard to say how serious Constantine was with Christianity. He probably believed in God - in the superstitious way of an ancient Roman. But he was a terrible guy.

The whole Christian religion is of pagan influence. The birth story of Christ is modeled after Greek myths, the whole idea of a dying and resurected god has its roots in pagan mythology. "God has a son" - for a Jew or a Moslem that's intolerably paganistic.

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« Reply #172 on: May 26, 2016, 04:45:07 AM »
The whole Christian religion is of pagan influence. The birth story of Christ is modeled after Greek myths, the whole idea of a dying and resurected god has its roots in pagan mythology. "God has a son" - for a Jew or a Moslem that's intolerably paganistic.

Oh yes, in many debates I have heard this. I have always found the evidence in the time line of said literature to be lacking at best, down right lie at worse. Same attitude towards the content as well.

Of course religions work closely together and may share some styles of content, same as anything else. Lets say there was one main religion as a fact for argument sake. A counterfeit religion will only change a thing or two, just like counterfeit money, or even like a paper copy in a copy machine. Then people start making copies of copies, then after a while, you can't even read the writing anymore.

Like the pagan story of ( I am brain farting on the name) of the circular boat with a granite top, mirroring noah's ark story. Yet in reality this boat would have just sank, yet noahs ark was about a flawless of a design as possible, especially for that time. This is just a brief example of a counterfeit, its always close until you get into the details.
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« Reply #173 on: May 26, 2016, 04:51:38 AM »
The whole Christian religion is of pagan influence. The birth story of Christ is modeled after Greek myths, the whole idea of a dying and resurected god has its roots in pagan mythology. "God has a son" - for a Jew or a Moslem that's intolerably paganistic.

Oh yes, in many debates I have heard this. I have always found the evidence in the time line of said literature to be lacking at best, down right lie at worse. Same attitude towards the content as well.

Of course religions work closely together and may share some styles of content, same as anything else. Lets say there was one main religion as a fact for argument sake. A counterfeit religion will only change a thing or two, just like counterfeit money, or even like a paper copy in a copy machine. Then people start making copies of copies, then after a while, you can't even read the writing anymore.

Like the pagan story of ( I am brain farting on the name) of the circular boat with a granite top, mirroring noah's ark story. Yet in reality this boat would have just sank, yet noahs ark was about a flawless of a design as possible, especially for that time. This is just a brief example of a counterfeit, its always close until you get into the details.

That makes zero sense. A circular boat with granite top?

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« Reply #174 on: May 26, 2016, 05:18:08 AM »

That makes zero sense. A circular boat with granite top?

Just popped in my head, the story was the epic of Gilgamesh, and the material was slate not granite.

Yes it is rediculous, the design was not even remotely see worthy, even heiwa would be able to figure that out.

That is my point, counterfeits only hold up until you look at the details.
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« Reply #175 on: May 26, 2016, 05:34:15 AM »
The whole Christian religion is of pagan influence. The birth story of Christ is modeled after Greek myths, the whole idea of a dying and resurected god has its roots in pagan mythology. "God has a son" - for a Jew or a Moslem that's intolerably paganistic.
It has been said that during the crusades the locals often considered the invading "Franks" to be polytheistic due to their belief in the Trinity.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #176 on: May 26, 2016, 05:40:47 AM »

That makes zero sense. A circular boat with granite top?

Just popped in my head, the story was the epic of Gilgamesh, and the material was slate not granite.

Yes it is rediculous, the design was not even remotely see worthy, even heiwa would be able to figure that out.

That is my point, counterfeits only hold up until you look at the details.

The story in the bible is later and more modern than the Babylonian one. That's why it's more realistic. But I see, you believe in bible stuff, can't argue with people like you.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #177 on: May 26, 2016, 06:14:11 AM »

That makes zero sense. A circular boat with granite top?

Just popped in my head, the story was the epic of Gilgamesh, and the material was slate not granite.

Yes it is rediculous, the design was not even remotely see worthy, even heiwa would be able to figure that out.

That is my point, counterfeits only hold up until you look at the details.

The story in the bible is later and more modern than the Babylonian one. That's why it's more realistic. But I see, you believe in bible stuff, can't argue with people like you.

Is it because I don't just accept things blindly. Yes I have stated my beliefs, though in a debate I can keep that under lock and key for the debates sake.

As far as I know , I have presented no bias here thus far.

Dating of the story itself, Noah's ark predated it.

Dating the evidence of the written copies of it , that is debatable. Some accounts show 600bc , though some pots found push for 2000 BC. However, at the same time, there have been recent pots discovered that push for 3000 BC for parts of the old testament, written in the newly discovered original form of Hebrew. They didn't even know it was Hebrew at first.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #178 on: May 26, 2016, 06:23:43 AM »
I for one put a lot worth into Jefferson's Bible. I think the teachings of Jesus himself are far under evaluated.

I think Jesus (and the entire bible, for that matter) is a lie. A fabrication, if you will. So where does that leave us?
Even if he was a lie, you are still left with the realization that 'he' then was real enough to shape Western culture for the majority of its existence and that it served as a Moralistic Revolution for the time, again even if he was a lie.

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« Reply #179 on: May 26, 2016, 07:12:41 AM »
Even if he was a lie, you are still left with the realization that 'he' then was real enough to shape Western culture for the majority of its existence and that it served as a Moralistic Revolution for the time
What is the Moralistic Revolution?   Despite the capitalization, it appears to be neologism on your part.
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