Dinosaurs: Made In China

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #120 on: May 24, 2016, 11:21:26 AM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The Behemoth could describe a sauropod. Sure. No need to argue here. It is also the only argument YECs have that has not thoroughly and repeatedly been debunked. A casual mention of an unidentified animal in a poetic book of the bible. So this myghty but hapless creature must stand alone like a tiny blade of straw against an overwhelming army of evidence.

What evidence? You can't prove the extinction of anything, only its unlikelyhood. And again, the legend of dragons is a world wide phenomenon. Surely something that wide spread must have some truth to it.

Like zombies? Like vampires? Fairies? What about aliens? They are known wide spread, does that mean there is some truth to it?

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« Reply #121 on: May 24, 2016, 11:48:11 AM »
Do you seriously not know why the KJV is chosen for places like landoverbaptist.com?
He's given no indication at all he's from landoverbaptist and trolling - what makes you think he is?  His young earth creationism seems pretty standard for an US evangelical and their choice of bible is the KJV (which is the most popular bible in the US).

I know landoverbaptist have a meme saying that says the KJV is actually the original bible, but the entire point of that is to satirise evangelicals  ::)

If he's trolling then he's a lot more subtle than you are.....

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« Reply #122 on: May 24, 2016, 12:18:34 PM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The Behemoth could describe a sauropod. Sure. No need to argue here. It is also the only argument YECs have that has not thoroughly and repeatedly been debunked. A casual mention of an unidentified animal in a poetic book of the bible. So this myghty but hapless creature must stand alone like a tiny blade of straw against an overwhelming army of evidence.

What evidence? You can't prove the extinction of anything, only its unlikelyhood. And again, the legend of dragons is a world wide phenomenon. Surely something that wide spread must have some truth to it.

Widespread tales are not evidence. You wouldn't listen to such kind of "evidence", in case it wouldn't support what you believe. Evidence would be an unfossilized skull.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #123 on: May 24, 2016, 12:48:38 PM »
I think we all appreciate not having our intentions questioned. I don't like being called a fake flat earther, and I doubt Luke likes being called a fake literalist.
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« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2016, 12:58:15 PM »
I think we all appreciate not having our intentions questioned. I don't like being called a fake flat earther, and I doubt Luke likes being called a fake literalist.

Perhaps if you answered people's questions properly rather than dodging, if you stopped posting obvious joke threads about moonlight, and stopped making insane pronouncements like "dinosaurs never existed", and stopped defending yourself by throwing maths bombs into threads, then people wouldn't call you a fake flat earther.
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« Reply #125 on: May 24, 2016, 01:04:41 PM »
I think we all appreciate not having our intentions questioned. I don't like being called a fake flat earther, and I doubt Luke likes being called a fake literalist.

Perhaps if you answered people's questions properly rather than dodging, if you stopped posting obvious joke threads about moonlight, and stopped making insane pronouncements like "dinosaurs never existed", and stopped defending yourself by throwing maths bombs into threads, then people wouldn't call you a fake flat earther.
People will always call our beliefs disingenuous because they lack the sight to understand why we believe what we believe.

I attempt to answer people's questions as best I can given the time I have.

My discussion on dinosaurs clearly stems from Eric Dubay's The Flat Earth Conspiracy. If you had read it, or read my posts, you would know this. The next chapter clearly discusses Giants. Charles Fort noted the connection between these two, the father of free-thinking.

I'm sorry, you don't like me using math to support my arguments?
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #126 on: May 24, 2016, 01:05:33 PM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The Behemoth could describe a sauropod. Sure. No need to argue here. It is also the only argument YECs have that has not thoroughly and repeatedly been debunked. A casual mention of an unidentified animal in a poetic book of the bible. So this myghty but hapless creature must stand alone like a tiny blade of straw against an overwhelming army of evidence.

What evidence? You can't prove the extinction of anything, only its unlikelyhood. And again, the legend of dragons is a world wide phenomenon. Surely something that wide spread must have some truth to it.

Like zombies? Like vampires? Fairies? What about aliens? They are known wide spread, does that mean there is some truth to it?

Well, yes. Now before you call me crazy lets not forget papa's craziness. As for zombies, I don't believe in the rising from the dead kind, I do think however think there might be a medical condition similar to rabies. As for vampires, again same thing, medical condition, some evil cult, or a demon. As for aliens, my father (retired 29 year Air Force veteran) saw UFOs when he was a teen. And I think the UFO agenda is demonic in nature. Same for fairies. I believe that they are demonic in nature too. There is truth in every legend. People may be imaginative, but its hard to make up something that is completely made up.
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« Reply #127 on: May 24, 2016, 01:15:30 PM »
I think we all appreciate not having our intentions questioned. I don't like being called a fake flat earther, and I doubt Luke likes being called a fake literalist.

Perhaps if you answered people's questions properly rather than dodging, if you stopped posting obvious joke threads about moonlight, and stopped making insane pronouncements like "dinosaurs never existed", and stopped defending yourself by throwing maths bombs into threads, then people wouldn't call you a fake flat earther.
People will always call our beliefs disingenuous because they lack the sight to understand why we believe what we believe.

If you weren't so blatantly silly all the time, then maybe people might take you more seriously.  Joke threads advising people to wear sunglasses at night, or over their 3D glasses in cinemas, are mildly amusing, but hardly mark you out as one of the great intellectuals of the age.
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« Reply #128 on: May 24, 2016, 01:16:41 PM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The Behemoth could describe a sauropod. Sure. No need to argue here. It is also the only argument YECs have that has not thoroughly and repeatedly been debunked. A casual mention of an unidentified animal in a poetic book of the bible. So this myghty but hapless creature must stand alone like a tiny blade of straw against an overwhelming army of evidence.

What evidence? You can't prove the extinction of anything, only its unlikelyhood. And again, the legend of dragons is a world wide phenomenon. Surely something that wide spread must have some truth to it.

Widespread tales are not evidence. You wouldn't listen to such kind of "evidence", in case it wouldn't support what you believe. Evidence would be an unfossilized skull.

I didnt find an unfossilized skull but I did found this.
http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/old-bone/frozen-unfossilized-dinosaur-bones/
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« Reply #129 on: May 24, 2016, 01:35:00 PM »
I didnt find an unfossilized skull but I did found this.
http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/old-bone/frozen-unfossilized-dinosaur-bones/
You know that's referring to fossils don't you?  Genesispark seem to be pretending otherwise.  They dug them out of rock.  The area wouldn't even have been frozen at the time of the dino's death.

Here's another shot of the Liscomb Bone Bed:

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« Reply #130 on: May 24, 2016, 01:38:03 PM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The Behemoth could describe a sauropod. Sure. No need to argue here. It is also the only argument YECs have that has not thoroughly and repeatedly been debunked. A casual mention of an unidentified animal in a poetic book of the bible. So this myghty but hapless creature must stand alone like a tiny blade of straw against an overwhelming army of evidence.

What evidence? You can't prove the extinction of anything, only its unlikelyhood. And again, the legend of dragons is a world wide phenomenon. Surely something that wide spread must have some truth to it.

Widespread tales are not evidence. You wouldn't listen to such kind of "evidence", in case it wouldn't support what you believe. Evidence would be an unfossilized skull.

I didnt find an unfossilized skull but I did found this.
http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/old-bone/frozen-unfossilized-dinosaur-bones/

I know about these claims. Do you never check if things you are being taught by creationist sources are verified by unbiased sources?

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« Reply #131 on: May 24, 2016, 08:29:22 PM »
I didnt find an unfossilized skull but I did found this.
http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/old-bone/frozen-unfossilized-dinosaur-bones/
You know that's referring to fossils don't you?  Genesispark seem to be pretending otherwise.  They dug them out of rock.  The area wouldn't even have been frozen at the time of the dino's death.

Here's another shot of the Liscomb Bone Bed:



Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska

I'm confused. I thought getting something out of rock isn't the same as the thing made out of rock.
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« Reply #132 on: May 25, 2016, 02:03:20 AM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes


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I'm confused.
I can see why you would be - you are trying to get scientific facts from religious websites with a blatant agenda.  Why don't you read the scientific journal papers from the people actually digging the bones up and doing the research.
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« Reply #133 on: May 25, 2016, 09:17:06 AM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.

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I'm confused.
I can see why you would be - you are trying to get scientific facts from religious websites with a blatant agenda.  Why don't you read the scientific journal papers from the people actually digging the bones up and doing the research.

I think you're missing the point.
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« Reply #134 on: May 25, 2016, 09:19:58 AM »
I'm confused.
I can see why you would be - you are trying to get scientific facts from religious websites with a blatant agenda.  Why don't you read the scientific journal papers from the people actually digging the bones up and doing the research.
Because the folks digging up the bones have a blatant agenda. Not only does the field of paleontology have a great rate of fraud and lies than any other field, but they clearly have an agenda - to keep their jobs and secure more funding.  In today's world, this means coherence and going by the ruling ideas of the time without any true thought or research.
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« Reply #135 on: May 25, 2016, 09:47:18 AM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.


Unfossilized dinosaur bones that exist only on creationist websites are no evidence. Show me a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal supporting the existence of such bones, and I will repent, renounce the works of Satan and accept Fred Flintstone as my personal savior. Or who is it you people pray to?

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« Reply #136 on: May 25, 2016, 11:02:55 AM »

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.
No, you clearly didn't.  The dinosaur bones in question were fossilized.

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« Reply #137 on: May 25, 2016, 12:38:15 PM »
I attempt to answer people's questions as best I can given the time I have.
Utter rubbish, and we can all see it. Everyone else can also see you ignoring my question in this thread, that you have devoted more effort to thinking up non-answers to, like "greed" than it would have taken you to answer properly, or to simply say "I don't know". Admitting you don't know stuff garners far more respect than pretending you know everything but are too busy to answer. Pretending you know everything is part of what makes you look like a faker.

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My discussion on dinosaurs clearly stems from Eric Dubay's The Flat Earth Conspiracy. If you had read it, or read my posts, you would know this. The next chapter clearly discusses Giants. Charles Fort noted the connection between these two, the father of free-thinking.
Claiming dinosaurs are the skeletons of humanoid giants is only supported at all by selective evidence. Like how an elephant skull on its own could be mistaken for the skull of a cyclops. When found with its tusks on and the rest of the skeleton attached, it most certainly couldn't be. Dubay's writing hinges entirely on ignoring findings which can't possibly be parts of humanoid giants or any other known creature. And your dumb argument (that it's all a conspiracy) hinges on pretending that random amateurs never find fossils, which is why you are taking such care to avoid my repeated question about it.

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I'm sorry, you don't like me using math to support my arguments?

On the contrary, I approve of you using maths to support your arguments. What I don't like is you posting irrelevant mathematics which you know are too complex for the majority of posters to interpret as an alternative to posting an actual counterargument, so you can weasel out of tricky questions. Like this:
Poster - "The earth is not an infinite plane. How can you prove this?"
Davis - "In non-euclidean space then if we integrate X and S then it means that Y has to be less than zero, which means that T/r squared is always less than p*F. That proves it.
Poster - "Duh."

From our point of view, this is a non-falsifiable mathematical proof because we can't tell if it's right or wrong because it's presented in such a complex way, instead of actually explained. It's no different to the way Jrowe would glibly just reply "aether" when asked to explain any given phenomenon. When pointed out that wasn't an explanation, he'd just say "it's not my fault you don't understand how it explains it".
I notice that on the occasions when you've been challenged to explain what your variables represent, you never answer. This also creates the impression that your equations are made up bollocks.
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« Reply #138 on: May 25, 2016, 12:43:28 PM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.
Ummm...  The Vatican, perhaps?
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« Reply #139 on: May 25, 2016, 12:50:38 PM »
The council of Nicene comes to mind as well.
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« Reply #140 on: May 25, 2016, 01:13:34 PM »
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« Reply #141 on: May 25, 2016, 01:14:46 PM »
The council of Nicene comes to mind as well.

It sure does, along with all the other ecumenical councils since, where they've removed/added to/rewritten/reinterpreted the supposed "unchanging" word of god. Wasn't it at the first Nicene Council where they elevated the Jesus character and story from a normal man appointed by god to be his son later in life, to the supposed son of god from birth?

If I'm not mistaken it was also when the new testament was trimmed down from fifty something books containing the "unchanging" word of god to the twenty seven we have now.
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« Reply #142 on: May 25, 2016, 01:22:42 PM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.


Unfossilized dinosaur bones that exist only on creationist websites are no evidence. Show me a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal supporting the existence of such bones, and I will repent, renounce the works of Satan and accept Fred Flintstone as my personal savior. Or who is it you people pray to?

Would unfossilized skin or blood due? After all they are less rugged as bones.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy_2.html
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« Reply #143 on: May 25, 2016, 01:31:36 PM »
That's still a fossil, even though they call it a mummy because its well preserved supposedly. What is interesting is that it would have had to have formed within 6000 years, recasting the dates for dinosaurs.

That is if they even existed. Nobody has yet been able to fight my iron glad proof that they are indeed a hoax.


To recap:
  • Unsustainable Size Would Require Decimation of Nearby Environment and Ecosystem
  • No Signs of Stress on Bones
  • An event that would kill off all dinosaurs would have destroyed ALL life on earth. This would be clear to see in evidence.
  • An extinction event like an Asteroid would not have killed off under-water dinosaurs
  • Apparently only God can kill dinosaurs
  • A full dinosaur skeleton has never been found
  • No evolutionary record of the supposed evolution into birds
  • Why is it that we have no dinosaur records from research before the 1800s?
  • Why have no native peoples discovered dinosaurs and incorporated them into their worldview?
  • Why is paleontology the only profession with such widespread hoaxes?
  • Why the disproportionate amount of headless dinofauxs in the 1800s Bone Wars and Rushes? Why were the ones they did find later found out to be faked?
  • The Bodies of Many dinosaurs make no sense with our knowledge of gravity
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« Reply #144 on: May 25, 2016, 01:34:56 PM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.


Unfossilized dinosaur bones that exist only on creationist websites are no evidence. Show me a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal supporting the existence of such bones, and I will repent, renounce the works of Satan and accept Fred Flintstone as my personal savior. Or who is it you people pray to?

Would unfossilized skin or blood due? After all they are less rugged as bones.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy_2.html

The title of the article gives the wrong impression, from further into the article we have;

"....the mineralization has been so rapid..."

and

"Research into Dakota's fossilized skin....."

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« Reply #145 on: May 25, 2016, 01:45:08 PM »
The council of Nicene comes to mind as well.

It sure does, along with all the other ecumenical councils since, where they've removed/added to/rewritten/reinterpreted the supposed "unchanging" word of god. Wasn't it at the first Nicene Council where they elevated the Jesus character and story from a normal man appointed by god to be his son later in life, to the supposed son of god from birth?

If I'm not mistaken it was also when the new testament was trimmed down from fifty something books containing the "unchanging" word of god to the twenty seven we have now.
I'm pretty sure that idea was floating around quite a bit before that.
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« Reply #146 on: May 25, 2016, 01:46:13 PM »
The council of Nicene comes to mind as well.

It sure does, along with all the other ecumenical councils since, where they've removed/added to/rewritten/reinterpreted the supposed "unchanging" word of god. Wasn't it at the first Nicene Council where they elevated the Jesus character and story from a normal man appointed by god to be his son later in life, to the supposed son of god from birth?

If I'm not mistaken it was also when the new testament was trimmed down from fifty something books containing the "unchanging" word of god to the twenty seven we have now.

No, it was not at all like that.

1. As we can see from extant pre.nicene texts (including resently found papyri) the council of Nicea did not change the texts Also that would have been impossible considering the great independence every episcopal see enjoyed by that time and the many schismatic groups that kept a jealous watch over everything the majority church did.

2. No, the story of the virgin birth fpr example originated in the 1st century. Also the doctrine of the pre-existence of Christ. Paul in the epistle to the Romans assumes an Adoptianist Christology (as you describe it), as does "Mark", but in "John" Christ is already clearly regarded at a celestial being and the son of god, who has come to earth. The oldest fragments of the gospel of John are from the early 2nd century. Beside that all extant pre-nicene suthors hold a similar view (exept a few Adoptianists, whose writings are lost). Of course they also quoted frequently from the books of the NT.

3. It is true that some books, that were regarded as canonical by many pre-nicene authors, were excluded from the bible by the councel.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #147 on: May 25, 2016, 01:52:08 PM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.


Unfossilized dinosaur bones that exist only on creationist websites are no evidence. Show me a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal supporting the existence of such bones, and I will repent, renounce the works of Satan and accept Fred Flintstone as my personal savior. Or who is it you people pray to?

Would unfossilized skin or blood due? After all they are less rugged as bones.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy_2.html

The title of the article gives the wrong impression, from further into the article we have;

"....the mineralization has been so rapid..."

and

"Research into Dakota's fossilized skin....."

They also said this.

"The 3-D preservation of the skin has also prompted the researchers to search for traces of unfossilized soft tissue in the hopes that it might yield protein."
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #148 on: May 25, 2016, 02:03:04 PM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.


Unfossilized dinosaur bones that exist only on creationist websites are no evidence. Show me a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal supporting the existence of such bones, and I will repent, renounce the works of Satan and accept Fred Flintstone as my personal savior. Or who is it you people pray to?

Would unfossilized skin or blood due? After all they are less rugged as bones.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy_2.html

The title of the article gives the wrong impression, from further into the article we have;

"....the mineralization has been so rapid..."

and

"Research into Dakota's fossilized skin....."

They also said this.

"The 3-D preservation of the skin has also prompted the researchers to search for traces of unfossilized soft tissue in the hopes that it might yield protein."

There are examples of organic material preserved inside fossils. But this requires very special circumstances. That's remarkable, but does not help your point. Sorry, I'm still unsaved.

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #149 on: May 25, 2016, 02:13:43 PM »
Then maybe this should give a more accurate account.

http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska
Yeah, I can see by the URL that it's going to be an elite scientific journal.. ::)

Anyway, they are either disingenuous, or genuinely ignorant - it's hard to tell.  Could be both.  A fossil does not have to be permineralized to be a fossil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Fossilization_processes

My entire point was that false prophet asked for unfossilized dinosaur bones and that's what I gave him. So whether or not its still considered a fossil I still delivered.


Unfossilized dinosaur bones that exist only on creationist websites are no evidence. Show me a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal supporting the existence of such bones, and I will repent, renounce the works of Satan and accept Fred Flintstone as my personal savior. Or who is it you people pray to?

Would unfossilized skin or blood due? After all they are less rugged as bones.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy_2.html

The title of the article gives the wrong impression, from further into the article we have;

"....the mineralization has been so rapid..."

and

"Research into Dakota's fossilized skin....."

They also said this.

"The 3-D preservation of the skin has also prompted the researchers to search for traces of unfossilized soft tissue in the hopes that it might yield protein."

Does it say they found any?
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