Dinosaurs: Made In China

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #90 on: May 21, 2016, 03:08:48 PM »
I'm not going to name names. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate that. You can believe what you want. The fact is you can't find disagreement with what I'm saying and what relativity says. If you could, you'd simply provide it. 

Things in true inertial states follow Newton's laws. Given Newton's laws, and the Equivalence Principle, this means they are travelling in straight lines at constant speeds or are still. A subset of satellites are in inertial states. .: They are travelling in straight lines or are still.

Their space can be mapped broadly by the combination of their paths. Since each path is straight, the bounding surface is also straight. In three-dimensions we call 'straightness' flatness.


That said, we digress a bit.

As far as Einstein's dishonesty and lack of care for empiricism, it is well known. Michael Brooks also writes about it in Free Radicals on page 56-62.

One of the cited instances was where his experiment to find the gyromagnetic ratio was blatantly faked. His theory showed 1.02. They did the experiment twice. The first time it came up 1.45. The second 1.02. They chose only to publish the value that matched his theory. Over the next 6 years of testing it was shown that the value was actually 2. He was also known for ignoring mistakes he found in others data if it supported his views, Brooks mentions Eddington. Of course, Free Radicals is pretty bubble-gummy.  There are lots of quotes from Einstein as well around the effect. It was clear he felt his theory too beautiful to be wrong. He'd often sneer at QED because it went against common sense and his particular philosophical stint despite its experimental success. 'God does not play dice?'


Back to the matter at hand, its ridiculous to think dinosaurs existed. Giants on the other hand, we actually have hard evidence for their existence. If there were so many dinosaurs, where is all the oil? It was a big deal for the nations to agree on a set price for oil, despite its supposed natural abundance. Oh that's right. They say its all in Antarctica. Only Big Science is allowed to go there.




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« Reply #91 on: May 21, 2016, 03:57:35 PM »
Back to the matter at hand, its ridiculous to think dinosaurs existed.
I don't know about that, John.  James had a pretty compelling argument about their naval traditions and migrations.  Not to mention the fact that many scientists believe that dinosaurs still exist today in the form of birds.

If there were so many dinosaurs, where is all the oil?
??? What do dinosaurs have to do with oil?

It was a big deal for the nations to agree on a set price for oil, despite its supposed natural abundance. Oh that's right. They say its all in Antarctica. Only Big Science is allowed to go there.
???  What are you talking about?  There are natural gas and oil deposits all over the world, not just Antarctica.  Ever heard of the middle east?
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« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2016, 05:16:25 PM »
I'm not going to name names. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate that. You can believe what you want. The fact is you can't find disagreement with what I'm saying and what relativity says. If you could, you'd simply provide it. 
You have clearly gone into this far more than I have, but if you're "not going to name names" I am not going to consider it worthy of note. Your experts could include Miles Mathis (π = 4 for dynamic situations) and his ilk!

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Things in true inertial states follow Newton's laws. Given Newton's laws, and the Equivalence Principle, this means they are travelling in straight lines at constant speeds or are still. A subset of satellites are in inertial states. .: They are travelling in straight lines or are still.

Their space can be mapped broadly by the combination of their paths. Since each path is straight, the bounding surface is also straight. In three-dimensions we call 'straightness' flatness.
"They are travelling in straight lines" in 4-dimensional Space-Time. All I have seen is that away from extremely massive objects 3-D space is close enough to being flat.

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That said, we digress a bit.

As far as Einstein's dishonesty and lack of care for empiricism, it is well known. Michael Brooks also writes about it in Free Radicals on page 56-62.

One of the cited instances was where his experiment to find the gyromagnetic ratio was blatantly faked. His theory showed 1.02. They did the experiment twice. The first time it came up 1.45. The second 1.02. They chose only to publish the value that matched his theory. Over the next 6 years of testing it was shown that the value was actually 2. He was also known for ignoring mistakes he found in others data if it supported his views, Brooks mentions Eddington. Of course, Free Radicals is pretty bubble-gummy.  There are lots of quotes from Einstein as well around the effect. It was clear he felt his theory too beautiful to be wrong. He'd often sneer at QED because it went against common sense and his particular philosophical stint despite its experimental success. 'God does not play dice?'
Yes, Einstein was not always right, though he did say that the 1.02 had to be accidental as it was too close to his (erroneous) 1.0, and was human after all.
But then we are so perfect that we can judge!

And there is question over "Who discovered that E = mc2?", but from what I can see there were E = (3/4)mc2 and E = (3/8)mc2 before Einstein, but not E = mc2.

But claiming "He'd often sneer at QED because it went against common sense and his particular philosophical stint despite its experimental success. 'God does not play dice?'" is very ingenuous! Yes, in 1915 he made the statement 'God does not play dice?', but you could hardly call the "Quantum Theory" of 1915, Quantum Electrodynamics!

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One of Einstein's most famous quotes is often completely misinterpreted
After all, Einstein won a Nobel Prize in 1921 for describing the photoelectric effect — a phenomenon that led to the development of quantum mechanics.
The reason for the quote is to express how bizarre quantum mechanics is as a theory.
from God Does not Play Dice Quote Meaning.
and quantum mechanics is bizarre.
But if you are planning on correcting Newton and Einstein, you first have to pull them down.
Just think, when the name John Davis is up there in lights, I will be able to claim that I opposed his ideas!

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Back to the matter at hand, its ridiculous to think dinosaurs existed. Giants on the other hand, we actually have hard evidence for their existence. If there were so many dinosaurs, where is all the oil? It was a big deal for the nations to agree on a set price for oil, despite its supposed natural abundance. Oh that's right. They say its all in Antarctica. Only Big Science is allowed to go there.
I am no expert on dinosaurs, but do not doubt that there have been many fossils found. I have seen some, in the ground and "reconstructed", but while I am prepared to be skeptical I must accept that very many fossils are real. I also don't doubt that Chine makes replicas.

As for oil, "where is all the oil?" - almost everywhere if seems, but I did not think dinosaurs came into it! I thought it was largely plant matter.
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The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil
A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms. The majority of petroleum is thought to come from the fossils of plants and tiny marine organisms. Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.
  See more at: The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil

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« Reply #93 on: May 21, 2016, 06:47:55 PM »
If there were so many dinosaurs, where is all the oil?
??? What do dinosaurs have to do with oil?


The logo of a large US oil company has a dinosaur on it. Ergo: dinosaurs = oil.

That ad campaign may have been what caused John to think that dinosaurs are the source of petroleum.
 
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #94 on: May 21, 2016, 07:23:58 PM »
If there were so many dinosaurs, where is all the oil?
??? What do dinosaurs have to do with oil?


The logo of a large US oil company has a dinosaur on it. Ergo: dinosaurs = oil.

That ad campaign may have been what caused John to think that dinosaurs are the source of petroleum.
 
So now I have to apologise to John! Still the quote I gave said that a few dinosaurs might have got into the mix!

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« Reply #95 on: May 22, 2016, 12:16:13 AM »
I'm not going to name names. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate that. You can believe what you want. The fact is you can't find disagreement with what I'm saying and what relativity says. If you could, you'd simply provide it. 
You have clearly gone into this far more than I have, but if you're "not going to name names" I am not going to consider it worthy of note. Your experts could include Miles Mathis (π = 4 for dynamic situations) and his ilk!
Like I said. Believe what you want.
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Things in true inertial states follow Newton's laws. Given Newton's laws, and the Equivalence Principle, this means they are travelling in straight lines at constant speeds or are still. A subset of satellites are in inertial states. .: They are travelling in straight lines or are still.

Their space can be mapped broadly by the combination of their paths. Since each path is straight, the bounding surface is also straight. In three-dimensions we call 'straightness' flatness.
"They are travelling in straight lines" in 4-dimensional Space-Time. All I have seen is that away from extremely massive objects 3-D space is close enough to being flat.
Thank you for admitting this. How do you reconcile your second statement with your first? Or do you attempt to?
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That said, we digress a bit.

As far as Einstein's dishonesty and lack of care for empiricism, it is well known. Michael Brooks also writes about it in Free Radicals on page 56-62.

One of the cited instances was where his experiment to find the gyromagnetic ratio was blatantly faked. His theory showed 1.02. They did the experiment twice. The first time it came up 1.45. The second 1.02. They chose only to publish the value that matched his theory. Over the next 6 years of testing it was shown that the value was actually 2. He was also known for ignoring mistakes he found in others data if it supported his views, Brooks mentions Eddington. Of course, Free Radicals is pretty bubble-gummy.  There are lots of quotes from Einstein as well around the effect. It was clear he felt his theory too beautiful to be wrong. He'd often sneer at QED because it went against common sense and his particular philosophical stint despite its experimental success. 'God does not play dice?'
Yes, Einstein was not always right, though he did say that the 1.02 had to be accidental as it was too close to his (erroneous) 1.0, and was human after all.
Ah of course a mistake. Thats why he did not publish both values. That's not shady *at all*. Or you know - take more than two readings before publishing.  He told the German Physical Society "A wonderful experiment" and wrote to a friend "A pity you didn't see it." After they found the value was 2 he continued to refuse to believe it. Many years later Johannes de Hass admitted that they had done the experiment twice, obtaining the values 1.02 and 1.45. 

I'm not judging him, I'm just stating the facts as Brooks would have us believe them.
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But then we are so perfect that we can judge!

And there is question over "Who discovered that E = mc2?", but from what I can see there were E = (3/4)mc2 and E = (3/8)mc2 before Einstein, but not E = mc2.

But claiming "He'd often sneer at QED because it went against common sense and his particular philosophical stint despite its experimental success. 'God does not play dice?'" is very ingenuous! Yes, in 1915 he made the statement 'God does not play dice?', but you could hardly call the "Quantum Theory" of 1915, Quantum Electrodynamics!
Which theory is aside from the point. The point is he is dismissing the theory because its against his philosophy and not due to empiricism. He made other statements to this affect. OF course the quantum physics guys would love to recast the meaning to quotes like this one and the one where the 'common person would scoff if they could only follow the advances in modern physics' but if you care to research yourself with an open mind I think you'll find this is a pretty common opinion of Einstein and he made it fairly clear he shared it.
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One of Einstein's most famous quotes is often completely misinterpreted
After all, Einstein won a Nobel Prize in 1921 for describing the photoelectric effect — a phenomenon that led to the development of quantum mechanics.
The reason for the quote is to express how bizarre quantum mechanics is as a theory.
from God Does not Play Dice Quote Meaning.
and quantum mechanics is bizarre.
But if you are planning on correcting Newton and Einstein, you first have to pull them down.
Just think, when the name John Davis is up there in lights, I will be able to claim that I opposed his ideas!
As a matter of fact, I don't have to pull them down. I would argue that academic dishonesty is a part of modern and historical method as much as I hate it.
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Back to the matter at hand, its ridiculous to think dinosaurs existed. Giants on the other hand, we actually have hard evidence for their existence. If there were so many dinosaurs, where is all the oil? It was a big deal for the nations to agree on a set price for oil, despite its supposed natural abundance. Oh that's right. They say its all in Antarctica. Only Big Science is allowed to go there.
I am no expert on dinosaurs, but do not doubt that there have been many fossils found. I have seen some, in the ground and "reconstructed", but while I am prepared to be skeptical I must accept that very many fossils are real. I also don't doubt that Chine makes replicas.
I admit fossils are real too. Whats your point? I just think that those that show full dinosaurs were faked for the cash. The rest are partials of animals. And I suppose I should say, I don't believe ALL dinosaurs are faked. Likely there were a lot of small lizards and many folks would call these dinosaurs lumping them in with the jolly green giants they think trounced around.
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As for oil, "where is all the oil?" - almost everywhere if seems, but I did not think dinosaurs came into it! I thought it was largely plant matter.
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The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil
A so-called fossil fuel, petroleum is believed by most scientists to be the transformed remains of long dead organisms. The majority of petroleum is thought to come from the fossils of plants and tiny marine organisms. Larger animals might contribute to the mix as well.
  See more at: The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil

Still anyone can hold any opinion they like!
Hrm. Larger Animals might contribute to the mix as well? Sure sounds like dinosaurs supposedly "came into it". Also, we are left with the realization that there is no consensus on how oil is made - its believe by most scientists? Oh great. That means it was in a textbook, so most people believe it. Those with enough sense surely don't.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #96 on: May 22, 2016, 02:53:22 AM »
I'm not going to name names. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate that. You can believe what you want.
Well, not you.  You have shown yourself to be full of shit.

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Back to the matter at hand, its ridiculous to think dinosaurs existed. Giants on the other hand, we actually have hard evidence for their existence.
OK, so you are still taking the piss.  Fair enough.
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« Reply #97 on: May 22, 2016, 03:04:33 AM »
How do you propose to explain all the giant tools found by archaeologists and the historical record of them?
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« Reply #98 on: May 22, 2016, 03:08:09 AM »
How do you propose to explain all the giant tools found by archaeologists and the historical record of them?
Like what?  Try not to link to well know hoaxes.
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« Reply #99 on: May 22, 2016, 03:10:16 AM »
I'm not going to name names. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate that. You can believe what you want.
Well, not you.  You have shown yourself to be full of shit.

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Back to the matter at hand, its ridiculous to think dinosaurs existed. Giants on the other hand, we actually have hard evidence for their existence.
OK, so you are still taking the piss.  Fair enough.

Like I've said before: At least he makes a bit of an effort. And if you ask me, that's better than the shitty attempts at insults and tedious trolling from the likes of Papa and Heiwa.
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« Reply #100 on: May 22, 2016, 11:30:20 AM »
How do you propose to explain all the giant tools found by archaeologists and the historical record of them?

How do you propose to explain all the giant skeletons of dinosaur-shaped creatures (therefore not "giants") found by amateurs, and the historical record of them?
Oh wait - I've asked you this about four times now and you've refused to address it. I think this comedy thread has run its course. Perhaps you should make a new one about mammoths in Antarctica, or how stars rotate round two celestial poles?
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« Reply #101 on: May 22, 2016, 12:07:47 PM »
I don't think we can even agree on that since as long as you and I are in this thread we are going to disagree and promote our views. My main points about behemoth are (1) he has a tail of a cedar tree
It says he swings his tail like a cedar tree. 

I quoted from the KJV which is the translation to go by. Which even what you said it doesn't contradict what I said.

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and no living animal has that and (2) only God can kill it with a sword and if behemoth is an elephant that'll nullify my second point since humans have killed elephants on many occasions and in fact they are being poached.
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

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King James Bible
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He stiffens his tail like a cedar tree; the tendons of his thighs are woven firmly together.

International Standard Version
His tail protrudes stiffly, like cedar; the sinews of his thigh interlink for strength.

NET Bible
It makes its tail stiff like a cedar, the sinews of its thighs are tightly wound.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
It makes its tail stiff like a cedar. The ligaments of its thighs are intertwined.

JPS Tanakh 1917
He straineth his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together.

New American Standard 1977
“He bends his tail like a cedar;
            The sinews of his thighs are knit together.

Jubilee Bible 2000
He moves his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

King James 2000 Bible
He moves his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his thighs are knit together.

American King James Version
He moves his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

American Standard Version
He moveth his tail like a cedar: The sinews of his thighs are knit together.

Douay-Rheims Bible
He setteth up his tail like a cedar, the sinews of his testicles are wrapped together.

Darby Bible Translation
He bendeth his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are woven together.

English Revised Version
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his thighs are knit together.

Webster's Bible Translation
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his male organs are wrapped together.

World English Bible
He moves his tail like a cedar. The sinews of his thighs are knit together.

Young's Literal Translation
He doth bend his tail as a cedar, The sinews of his thighs are wrapped together,

Or as one modern professional translator Stephen Mitchell came up with:

"Look: the power in his thighs, the pulsing sinews of his belly. His penis stiffens like a pine; his testicles bulge with vigor."

Whoa!
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I don't know what perbert said that but I'm pretty sure the translators knew which body part to talk about. If you look elsewhere they called the "nether region" something like privvy parts or something. Why would they all of a sudden used tail to describe that?
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« Reply #102 on: May 23, 2016, 06:25:28 AM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.
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« Reply #103 on: May 23, 2016, 06:50:52 AM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.
You are correct. This adherence to KJV is mind boggling. 

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Of note is the fact, none of them speak anything but English and the idea that translation   of one word wrong, can change an entire passage is beyond their grasp.

For example, Thou shalt not kill. Now translate it as Thou shalt not murder. That is a huge difference, and in reading the rest of the book carefully, one finds that murder is the word, NOT kill.
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« Reply #104 on: May 23, 2016, 07:30:57 PM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?
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« Reply #105 on: May 24, 2016, 02:12:39 AM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

Here's a video documenting some of the errors that don't exist in the kjv.



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« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2016, 04:33:44 AM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The sad part is you posted this directly after I pointed out a specific error.
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« Reply #107 on: May 24, 2016, 07:40:17 AM »
It might be your adherence to the KJV that unwittingly makes you believe the Earth is round. I'd look into Terra Firma - it does a decent job IIRC of examining the relevant passages in their original language.
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« Reply #108 on: May 24, 2016, 07:42:58 AM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The Behemoth could describe a sauropod. Sure. No need to argue here. It is also the only argument YECs have that has not thoroughly and repeatedly been debunked. A casual mention of an unidentified animal in a poetic book of the bible. So this myghty but hapless creature must stand alone like a tiny blade of straw against an overwhelming army of evidence.

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« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2016, 07:56:37 AM »
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the Greek text which stands behind the King James Bible is demonstrably inferior in certain places. The man who edited the text was a Roman Catholic priest and humanist named Erasmus.1 He was under pressure to get it to the press as soon as possible since (a) no edition of the Greek New Testament had yet been published, and (b) he had heard that Cardinal Ximenes and his associates were just about to publish an edition of the Greek New Testament and he was in a race to beat them. Consequently, his edition has been called the most poorly edited volume in all of literature! It is filled with hundreds of typographical errors which even Erasmus would acknowledge. Two places deserve special mention. In the last six verses of Revelation, Erasmus had no Greek manuscript (=MS) (he only used half a dozen, very late MSS for the whole New Testament any way). He was therefore forced to ‘back-translate’ the Latin into Greek and by so doing he created seventeen variants which have never been found in any other Greek MS of Revelation! He merely guessed at what the Greek might have been.

etc
https://bible.org/article/why-i-do-not-think-king-james-bible-best-translation-available-today

There are simple translation errors also highlighted in the link.

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For their New Testament, the translators chiefly used the 1598 and 1588/89 Greek editions of Theodore Beza,[126] which also present Beza's Latin version of the Greek and Stephanus's edition of the Latin Vulgate. Both of these versions were extensively referred to, as the translators conducted all discussions amongst themselves in Latin. F.H.A. Scrivener identifies 190 readings where the Authorized Version translators depart from Beza's Greek text, generally in maintaining the wording of the Bishop's Bible and other earlier English translations.[127] In about half of these instances, the Authorized Version translators appear to follow the earlier 1550 Greek Textus Receptus of Stephanus.

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The translators appear to have otherwise made no first-hand study of ancient manuscript sources...
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #110 on: May 24, 2016, 08:28:12 AM »
Luke is trolling you guys, and you are falling for it like I have never seen before.  Good job, Luke. 

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« Reply #111 on: May 24, 2016, 08:30:05 AM »
Nowhere in the Bible says that earth is round  :-\

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« Reply #112 on: May 24, 2016, 08:43:45 AM »
Luke is trolling you guys, and you are falling for it like I have never seen before.
Unlike yourself, I suspect he's actually sincere.  A concept you probably have trouble getting your head round.
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« Reply #113 on: May 24, 2016, 08:55:01 AM »
Luke is trolling you guys, and you are falling for it like I have never seen before.
Unlike yourself, I suspect he's actually sincere.  A concept you probably have trouble getting your head round.

Yeah, right.  I know why he chooses the KJV.  I have been on the internet for quite a while.  Don't act like I am an idiot, or that you are just naive. 

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« Reply #114 on: May 24, 2016, 10:06:37 AM »
Luke is trolling you guys, and you are falling for it like I have never seen before.
Unlike yourself, I suspect he's actually sincere.  A concept you probably have trouble getting your head round.

Yeah, right.  I know why he chooses the KJV.
It's the standard choice for American Evangelicals.  All this "it's authorized" or "it doesn't contain errors" are boilerplate lines from that lot.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #115 on: May 24, 2016, 10:16:50 AM »
Luke is trolling you guys, and you are falling for it like I have never seen before.
Unlike yourself, I suspect he's actually sincere.  A concept you probably have trouble getting your head round.

Yeah, right.  I know why he chooses the KJV.
It's the standard choice for American Evangelicals.  All this "it's authorized" or "it doesn't contain errors" are boilerplate lines from that lot.

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Do you seriously not know why the KJV is chosen for places like landoverbaptist.com?  You are naive, like a child, or like the people who argue with them.  I won't spoil Luke's fun, so if you want for me to explain it to you, feel free to PM me. 

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #116 on: May 24, 2016, 10:56:42 AM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The sad part is you posted this directly after I pointed out a specific error.

Oh, sorry. I tend to not pay attention to posts not directed to me. So I'll answer it here. The Bible interprets itself if you let it. "Thou shalt not kill" was a general guideline. You shouldn't kill animals for the fun of it, you can't go to war because the other country has more resources than you, you can't kill someone for no reason. So the KJV was correct in using "kill" rather than murder. You really can't murder a cow no matter what the animal rights activists say. Plus if you read in context the Bible gives certain cases where its ok to kill. God didnt gave  us the Ten Commandments and left it like that.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #117 on: May 24, 2016, 11:06:28 AM »
It might be your adherence to the KJV that unwittingly makes you believe the Earth is round. I'd look into Terra Firma - it does a decent job IIRC of examining the relevant passages in their original language.


I think we're getting off topic. Wait, this is your thread so do you want to change topics or stick to OP? 

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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

Here's a video documenting some of the errors that don't exist in the kjv.





If this was on topic I would ask that you pick one and lets deal with that. However in the mean time I'll link to this.

http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/flanders-whykjv.html
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #118 on: May 24, 2016, 11:11:39 AM »
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Well, that's just one translation isn't it.

Yes, the authorized one.

Authorized by whom?  I wasn't aware of a single Christian organisation with the power to authorise, or presumably deauthorise, versions of the bible.

The KJV is the only one in the English language that has no errors. But I think we are getting off topic. Here's a question for you, would you agree that the Bible (particularly the KJV) describes a dinosaur like creature?

The Behemoth could describe a sauropod. Sure. No need to argue here. It is also the only argument YECs have that has not thoroughly and repeatedly been debunked. A casual mention of an unidentified animal in a poetic book of the bible. So this myghty but hapless creature must stand alone like a tiny blade of straw against an overwhelming army of evidence.

What evidence? You can't prove the extinction of anything, only its unlikelyhood. And again, the legend of dragons is a world wide phenomenon. Surely something that wide spread must have some truth to it.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #119 on: May 24, 2016, 11:17:26 AM »
Luke is trolling you guys, and you are falling for it like I have never seen before.  Good job, Luke.

Nope, I'm not trolling. What I say is the real deal.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.