Dinosaurs: Made In China

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Dinosaurs: Made In China
« on: May 12, 2016, 09:39:37 AM »
Noted zeteticist Eric Dubay in his book The Flat Earth Conspiracy talked at length about the dinosaur lie.

In his extensive research that certainly did not limit itself to a google search and copy pasting entire books worth of 1800s era flat earth literature, he encovered that Dinosaur fossils are actually created in China by this company.
He claims matter of factly that bird and animal bones are 'melted down' and made into fake dinosaur fossils.

Are dinosaurs real? As Daniel is currently located in Hong Kong, I'll send along a message to see if he can delve a bit deeper. Until then, are dinosaurs fake?

Or did they build floating nests to migrate? Or is the area of our dome expanding due to green house gasses? Did dinosaurs travel here from outside the firmament? Are they attracted to the moonlight that is so dangerous to man? Are they just big birds?



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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2016, 09:49:29 AM »
Are dinosaurs real? As Daniel is currently located in Hong Kong, I'll send along a message to see if he can delve a bit deeper. Until then, are dinosaurs fake?

Who is Daniel?

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2016, 09:53:26 AM »
Daniel is the President of the Flat Earth Society.

Update: I have called this company claiming to be a wealthy museum owner in the United States. After a very confusing interaction, it is clear I will have to learn Chinese before I proceed investigating this company.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2016, 10:03:13 AM »
Get this shit off of FES.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2016, 10:07:53 AM »
Get this shit off of FES.
I'm sorry, I don't understand. What is your complaint?
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2016, 10:44:48 AM »
Good work, John Davis. I look forward to learning more about these "dinosaurs".
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2016, 12:09:47 PM »
Smoking Gun: The Curious Tale of Archaeoraptor liaoningensis, the Piltdown Chicken
“Its long arms and small body scream ‘bird!’ Its long, stiff tail -which under magnification erupts into a series of tiny support rods paralleling the vertebrae - screams ‘Dinosaur’,” proclaimed National Geographic. As it turns out however, this was actually yet another fake from China - compiled together from various birds. The Chinese farmer who produced this falsification? Netted $80,000. Quite the motive for the average Chinese villager.  In fact a huge percentage of marine fossils are shown to be fake. “Chinese experts estimate that 80% of the marine reptile fossils on display in Chinese museums are "altered or artificially combined to varying degrees." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/china-museum-artifacts-fake_n_3607040.html

Some Methods Used To Fake
  • Using real materials such as bones teeth and body parts embedded in glue and resin
  • Crushing Genuine fossils and mixing with glue to fabricate parts to ensure proper colouring and composition
  • Casting, painting and sculpting, breaking it, then repairing for calcite veins
  • Blending together modern skulls of different animals
  • Assembling fossils of unrelated real species together to form a fake

Impossibility of Blood Flow
Long necked dinosaurs would need up to 6 hearts to support blood flow to their brains!


No Stress on Dinosaur Bones
“Because dinosaur bones are brittle, no stress can be placed on them;” says one expert. And yet we are to believe that these dinosaur bones were preserved and created by stress! Why are there none of the tell tale signs of stress?

Impossibility of Dinosaur Weight and Impossibility of Evolved Traits
Even a cursory look at some supposed dinosaurs shows how ridiculous this idea really is. Giant Plated spikes on their back? A morning star on their tale? When one looks at the dinosaur tyrannosaurus rex it’s a wonder he is even able to stand, let alone his often mocked useless appendages. How are we to believe these were of any use the fake dinosaur?

Carbon 14
Carbon 14 is often found in dinosaur bones and fossils. It should have decayed due to the half-life of carbon by this time.
http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html

Scientists Claim to Extract DNA
Unfortunately, the half life of DNA is far shorter than the estimated time when dinosaurs are claimed to have lived. One source went as far to say "Finding dinosaur DNA is as unthinkable to an evolutionist as finding a flat earth would be to a geographer. "
https://www.icr.org/article/7160/

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“No, I don’t believe dinosaurs existed, ... Not even a little bit. With these bones, it’s crazy because man has never seen a dinosaur, we can agree on that, right? But we know exactly how to put these bones together?”
Michael Forsell during a radio interview with Jack Horner:
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"I started my career in the field of paleontology, only to leave my studies once I realized the whole thing was a sham. It's nonsense, most of the so-called skeletons in museums are actually plaster casts. They even do it openly on documentaries now, preserving the bones my ass! I struggled as a student, mainly because I could not tell the difference between a fossilized egg and an ordinary rock, and of course there is no difference. I was treated like a leper when I refused to buy into their propaganda, and promptly left the course. Dinosaurs never existed, the whole shebang is a freak show, they just grab a couple of old bones and form them into their latest Frankenstein's monster like exhibit. If dinosaurs existed they would be mentioned in the Bible. We are all being fooled and it's wrong, but together we can stop it."
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2016, 01:15:15 PM »
I remember reading stories of how they would find a finger bone and proclaim a new species has been found
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2016, 01:44:45 PM »
As a young earth creationist I believe dinosaurs DO exist.

The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2016, 03:11:07 PM »
Daniel is the President of the Flat Earth Society.

Update: I have called this company claiming to be a wealthy museum owner in the United States. After a very confusing interaction, it is clear I will have to learn Chinese before I proceed investigating this company.

Is Daniel real? Untill then, is Daniel fake?
Find out on the next exciting episode of FET (flat earth trolls)
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2016, 06:12:55 PM »
Does this mean the dinosaur boat theory is also dead?    That's disappointing,  I liked that theory.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2016, 09:11:23 PM »
Hah, I got a kick out of this.  Another one of John's hilarious joke theories, right up there with polarized moonlight hazards. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2016, 12:14:43 AM »
The "extensive research" of Eric Dubay and John Davis was not extensive enough to realize

1. what a fossil is.
2. why we haven't yet found a real Dinosaur bone.

But they found the advertizing of Chinese companies who make Dinosaur bones on the Internet. What an accomplishment! What a groundbreaking research!

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2016, 03:51:10 AM »
he encovered that Dinosaur fossils are actually created in China by this company.


Every photo has "art" written in it, it's even in their company name, are you really that simple.

Just because we are capable of making lookalike dinosaur fossils doesn't necessarily mean we created all the dinosaur fossils. If you look at the wealth of evidence we have in favour of dinosaurs having existed, I hope you will find there is far more evidence for than against.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2016, 06:59:58 AM »
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2016, 07:43:55 AM »
Its the name of the company. Of course they put their name on it. Did you really expect them to call themselves "Fake Dinosaur Bones for Museums"?

They are running a legitimate business if they call it 'art' and if they call it fake dinosaur bones they will land themselves up in a Chinese prison.

Its clear why we haven't found dinosaur bones yet - they don't exist. Long necked dinosaurs could not even eat without passing out due to lack of blood flow to their brain!

Additionally, do we really expect us to believe these existed:

This interesting fellow would bite off the top of his mouth everytime he closed his mouth.

Let me eat some food - opps I poked my eye out and lacerated my midsection

Someone is clearly taking the piss here. Another fake Chinese dinosaur. It seems China has realized we have some suckers in America that will believe anything.

Really? Really? When this creature is not gliding he finds it impossible to climb trees to provide a place to glide from. Also note his ridiculous extra arms.



But ok, looking silly doesn't mean they don't exist, right? Because we have all seen the gentle platypus. But consider some of these FACTS.

For decades paleontogists had a hard rule - the only dinosaurs with feathers were small two legged meat eating theropods. Unfortunately, Kulindadromeus was discovered in 2014 - a plant eating feathered ornithopod. To advance their evolution theories, they did a complete flip flop, invented a new dinosaur and gave him feathers, presumably to cover up a hole they found. Ken Ham talks of this: “Evolutionists use dinosaurs to reach children more than anything to promote their worldview,” Unfortunately he has fallen prey to the great dinosaur lie.

Additionally, during the great Bone Wars, two members of the elite purposefully manufactured these dinosaur bones to start this great myth, pretending to be in fierce competition and constantly pointing out when each other faked their evidence - laughing at the public in plain sight.

However, let us stack up some more evidence against this silly idea.

An event that would kill off all dinosaurs would have destroyed ALL life on earth. This would be clear to see in evidence.
An extinction event like an Asteroid would not have killed off under-water dinosaurs

Dinosaurs were too big to be able to feed themselves
Elephants have to eat around 18 hours a day. The brontosaurus, supposedly at least 5 times larger would have to eat for an impossible 90 hours a day!

Given they can eat 90 hours a day, or somehow much faster, they would have depleted their food sources
At over 10 tons, a Mamenchisaurus would have to eat over 1000lbs of vegetation each day. This would destroy the ecosystem.

Dinosaurs sizes are inconsistent with what we know about gravity
Given what we know about biology and the limitations of muscles in any life form, any animal weighing more than 20,803 lbs would not be able to lift its own weight (Holden 1994). A long necked dinosaur would not be able to lift its neck, and their blood pressure would cause their heart to explode. A girafee is at about the peak for neck size; any longer and it would die with a blood pressure higher than any other animal.

Where are all the fossils?
Why aren't we finding dinosaur bones in our backyard? They lived everywhere, didn't they?

Carbon dating does not go back more than 40k years
A full dinosaur skeleton has never been found

« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 07:45:42 AM by John Davis »
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM »

However, let us stack up some more evidence against this silly idea.

An event that would kill off all dinosaurs would have destroyed ALL life on earth. This would be clear to see in evidence.
An extinction event like an Asteroid would not have killed off under-water dinosaurs

Dinosaurs were too big to be able to feed themselves
Elephants have to eat around 18 hours a day. The brontosaurus, supposedly at least 5 times larger would have to eat for an impossible 90 hours a day!

Given they can eat 90 hours a day, or somehow much faster, they would have depleted their food sources
At over 10 tons, a Mamenchisaurus would have to eat over 1000lbs of vegetation each day. This would destroy the ecosystem.

Dinosaurs sizes are inconsistent with what we know about gravity
Given what we know about biology and the limitations of muscles in any life form, any animal weighing more than 20,803 lbs would not be able to lift its own weight (Holden 1994). A long necked dinosaur would not be able to lift its neck, and their blood pressure would cause their heart to explode. A girafee is at about the peak for neck size; any longer and it would die with a blood pressure higher than any other animal.

Where are all the fossils?
Why aren't we finding dinosaur bones in our backyard? They lived everywhere, didn't they?

Carbon dating does not go back more than 40k years
A full dinosaur skeleton has never been found

1. The mesozoic mass extinction event seems to have killed all animal life down to a certain size.

2. Underwater life is very much effected by overwater incidents

3. Most of the energy mammals acquire goes to the mantainance of warm-bloodedness and the larger and more complicated brain.

4. Fossils do not generate easily.

5. Only creationist idiots mention dinosaur fossils and C14 dating in the same sentence.

6. 98% is pretty complete.
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2016, 09:18:33 AM »
It might surprise many to know some of the history of dinosaurs.

The Beginnings of the Myth
Gideon Mantell claimed his wife Mary Ann discovered some unusual teeth - clearly not ready to accept the blame of his own forgery. Once he gained fame for this, he then took credit in 1851. Claiming them to be of a giant crocodile. Mantell also unearthed a largely incomplete skeleton, and rightfully concluded that the teeth did not belong to it. The plant eating teeth were dismissed as fish teeth or teeth of a rhinoceros by experts of the time.

He quickly changed his story after hearing of a 'larger than life' (literally) tale by a Richard Owen. The charismatic creationist Sir Richard Owen in 1842 invented the dinosaur, in a two hour captivating speech. Using fragments of bones from here and there he heaped fiction upon fiction to support his imaginative view of what were essentially dragons for a new age. Having had his imagination taken away by Owen he quickly pasted these two finds together. 

This was used by Hayden when he found some random large bones in the Missouri River in 1854. These were largely just teeth again.  How is it that Sir Owen described dinosaurs before their proper discovery in 1854? Until then all we knew about was a large crocodile and some fish teeth. It sounds like somebody found some teeth and wanted to get some fame out of it so made his discoveries fit the imaginative tales of a master story teller.

The First Dinosaur Hoax
The supposed first discovery of a dinosaur was by William Parker Foulke in 1858. Having heard of a fellow named Hopkins pulling bones out of a pit and putting them on display at his house, envious, he went and pulled out the first nearly complete skeleton of a dinosaur. Hopkins discovered his large bones in 1838. There is no evidence that these bones belonged to any type of large lizard.

As it turns out, the skull of Foulke was shown to be faked, and it was made using an iguana skull as reference. They replaced it with, I know you can't guess this - a duck bill. This was then shown to also be fake. Later it was shown that his impossible posture was also faked. However, the damage was done, and the American people captivated with the dinosaur myth, adding it dogmatically into their scientific religion, never to be questioned again.

The War of the Hoaxers
IN the late 1870s began the great Dinosaur rush. led by Cope and Marsh they quickly fell to greed and became mortal enemies. Using spies, armed thugs, and theft, they spent much of their time fighting each other to gain fame for their fanciful inventions highlighting the despicable mark of the scientist - "anything goes." They simply were not able to share the spotlight, it seems. These two are responsible for the largest majority of dinosaur findings of the time by FAR. They single handedly found as many bones as possible and tied them together in any way possible in one of sciences greatest pissing contests, ignoring logic and error that would only be discovered years later. Known as the 'bone wars' these two people are responsible more than anybody else for all the ridiculously fake dinosaurs we see continuing in the tradition of planting bones in locations and grafting together unrelated species to make their Frankenstein lizards.

The Second Dinosaur Rush
The second rush occurred in Canada, Alberta to be specific. Having dug up all the animal bones they could from the Missouri river they turned their attention to the well known bone harvest ground of the Red Deer River. In 1910 this area become the main collecting area for bones. Again we have another fight for fame this time between Barnum Brown and Sternberg.

This begs the question. Why is it that no Native Americans discovered any of these bones? Why are there no discoveries by any culture or any mention of these dinosaurs before 1842?! The area was very often inhabited by many native tribes. But beyond this, there are no mentions of dinosaurs at all before 1800s in any country or any culture. They are clearly very common to find during this time, so much so that Richard Owen pulled them out of a random pit. Additionally, no artifacts were reported from indigenous people - lending credence to the idea that they were transporting bones from other areas and planting them to further their fame.

Are we supposed to believe there were no quarries before the 1800s? Or that we as a species collectively ignored the giant bones lying around everywhere, especially near water where we are known to prefer to build cities? No, this is patently ridiculous.


Today: Most Museum Dinosaurs are Hoaxes
Paleontologists find a tooth and construct an entire body around it. They find a rock? Its a dinosaur egg. Not much has changed.

1. The mesozoic mass extinction event seems to have killed all animal life down to a certain size.

2. Underwater life is very much effected by overwater incidents

3. Most of the energy mammals acquire goes to the mantainance of warm-bloodedness and the larger and more complicated brain.

4. Fossils do not generate easily.

5. Only creationist idiots mention dinosaur fossils and C14 dating in the same sentence.

6. 98% is pretty complete.
1. Evidence does not show this!
2. Yes, but not ALL underwater life is effected by overwater incidents. And affected is a long jump from extinction.
3. Dinosaurs are supposedly warm blooded. http://www.livescience.com/51162-dinosaurs-warm-blooded-growth-rates.html This also ties in with their attempts to show evolution true by their creation of bird dinosaurs.
4. This is propaganda by the oil and gasoline industries.
5. So no response? What of dinosaur bones, if my imprecision is to supposedly show falsehood?
6. Not when its stitched together and created out of planted evidence.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2016, 09:24:15 AM »
Does this mean the dinosaur boat theory is also dead?    That's disappointing,  I liked that theory.
I think only time will tell. James did a good job evidencing if dinosaurs existed, they would most certainly make boats. However, if they didn't exist, then he simply fell pray to the globularist lies of scientism like many of us.

I have contacted James and hopefully he'll show up to help clear this matter up. He's an expert in Zetetic paleontology.
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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2016, 09:31:36 AM »
Why is it that we have no dinosaur records from research before the 1800s?
Surely we would have discovered some dinosaurs before now! What is so special about the early 1800's? The same old tricks always played by science - dazzle with artist renderings of dinosaurs to stop people from questioning the legitimacy of the scientific rule. Same story with NASA, just a new topic. Dragons and spacemen? Come now.

Why have no native peoples discovered dinosaurs and incorporated them into their worldview?

Why is paleontology the only profession with such widespread hoaxes?
From modern day Chinese hoaxes to the lying stones, the calaveras skull, the piltdown chicken and even the Iguanadon (the first dinosaur) why would we have to resort to fakery? Can scientists be trusted?
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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2016, 10:25:04 AM »

1. The mesozoic mass extinction event seems to have killed all animal life down to a certain size.

2. Underwater life is very much effected by overwater incidents

3. Most of the energy mammals acquire goes to the mantainance of warm-bloodedness and the larger and more complicated brain.

4. Fossils do not generate easily.

5. Only creationist idiots mention dinosaur fossils and C14 dating in the same sentence.

6. 98% is pretty complete.
1. Evidence does not show this!
2. Yes, but not ALL underwater life is effected by overwater incidents. And affected is a long jump from extinction.
3. Dinosaurs are supposedly warm blooded. http://www.livescience.com/51162-dinosaurs-warm-blooded-growth-rates.html This also ties in with their attempts to show evolution true by their creation of bird dinosaurs.
4. This is propaganda by the oil and gasoline industries.
5. So no response? What of dinosaur bones, if my imprecision is to supposedly show falsehood?
6. Not when its stitched together and created out of planted evidence.

1. Palaeontologists say there is, a FE crank says there is not. Whom shall I trust?

2. The big underwater creatures are likely to be effected most.

3. The big Sauropoda are not likely to having been warm-blooded.

4. You have no idea how fossils generate, do you?

5. No need to response.

6. No, there are almost complete scelletons. Deal with it.
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2016, 10:48:54 AM »
In his extensive research that certainly did not limit itself to a google search and copy pasting entire books worth of 1800s era flat earth literature
John, I can spot the sarcasm even if nobody else is getting it.

However as to the rest of it: if you drag a joke out too far it's stops being funny.  You are firmly in TL&DR territory.

You definitely have too much time on your hands....
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2016, 11:23:54 AM »

1. The mesozoic mass extinction event seems to have killed all animal life down to a certain size.

2. Underwater life is very much effected by overwater incidents

3. Most of the energy mammals acquire goes to the mantainance of warm-bloodedness and the larger and more complicated brain.

4. Fossils do not generate easily.

5. Only creationist idiots mention dinosaur fossils and C14 dating in the same sentence.

6. 98% is pretty complete.
1. Evidence does not show this!
2. Yes, but not ALL underwater life is effected by overwater incidents. And affected is a long jump from extinction.
3. Dinosaurs are supposedly warm blooded. http://www.livescience.com/51162-dinosaurs-warm-blooded-growth-rates.html This also ties in with their attempts to show evolution true by their creation of bird dinosaurs.
4. This is propaganda by the oil and gasoline industries.
5. So no response? What of dinosaur bones, if my imprecision is to supposedly show falsehood?
6. Not when its stitched together and created out of planted evidence.

1. Palaeontologists say there is, a FE crank says there is not. Whom shall I trust?
Let's see. Who to trust - those in a profession that is known for creating hoaxes, or a third party interested in uncovering the dark truth. That's a hard one, I have to admit.
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2. The big underwater creatures are likely to be effected most.
Like whales? Are they to be Affected most?
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3. The big Sauropoda are not likely to having been warm-blooded.
Did you figure this out using the fact that their hearts would explode? Or because their size with warm bloodedness would have baked them alive? The so-called "gigantotherm" theory seems to state otherwise, but hey. Its clear paleontologists will say anything to hold their theories together. If they were cold-blooded they are far too large to maintain the heat gathered slowly through the day, especially considering they likely lived in swamp like areas.
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4. You have no idea how fossils generate, do you?
No need to respond.
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5. No need to response.

6. No, there are almost complete scelletons. Deal with it.
Almost complete huh? Yeah sure. I imagine if I had enough puzzle pieces from different puzzles I could put them together to form a monstrosity too, though I might have a proportionally harder time with the last few pieces. On the other hand, with a puzzle from one set, it gets easier as you go further on.

In his extensive research that certainly did not limit itself to a google search and copy pasting entire books worth of 1800s era flat earth literature
John, I can spot the sarcasm even if nobody else is getting it.

However as to the rest of it: if you drag a joke out too far it's stops being funny.  You are firmly in TL&DR territory.

You definitely have too much time on your hands....
While I may have been a bit sarcastic about Eric Dubay's amazing research capabilities, I've done more than enough to topple down the ridiculous myth of these Frankenstein Dragons.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2016, 11:26:45 AM »
In his extensive research that certainly did not limit itself to a google search and copy pasting entire books worth of 1800s era flat earth literature
John, I can spot the sarcasm even if nobody else is getting it.

However as to the rest of it: if you drag a joke out too far it's stops being funny.  You are firmly in TL&DR territory.

You definitely have too much time on your hands....

I think you are right.

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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2016, 12:06:12 PM »
I resent Davis's remarks that I was manufactured in a Chinese sweatshop.
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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2016, 12:07:14 PM »

Dinosaurs Are Made Of People.


The first action of the indoctrinated mind will always be to proclaim that the evidence is fake and the person who is putting it forth is a charlatan. Unfortunately for you, you can attack my beliefs and call them as not genuine all you want - the evidence speaks for itself. You can explain the supposed joke all you want, and then tell me its not funny, but this won't stop the evidence from piling up and piling up until you and all interested zetetics finally realize the truth.

The truth of the matter is you are too close minded and egotistical to believe that anybody can believe something that differs from your small little worldview.

I understand its hard to change ones beliefs, but the fact of the matter is that dinosaurs are impossible. If you disagree - fine. It should be easy to destroy the lesser of the views. I certainly have found it the case so far in this thread. There is no way one can defend the ridiculous theory that dinosaurs were real.

To claim that Eric Dubay is simply trolling the flat earth community is surely an indefensible stance. He has contributed more in his work to our understanding than Carpenter, Rowbotham, Wardlaw and Blount combined. Of course, much of this is owed to his very liberal use of their work, accounting for over 50% of any two pages you flip to in his masterpieces. Never the less, despite his green ears, he marches bravely on and suggests that giants indeed lived.

On the Shoulders Of Giants

Giants are mentioned in the bible in several places. Genesis 6:4, Joshua 12:4, Deuteronomy 3:11, Numbers 13:30-33, 2 Samuel 21:19 and Deuteronomy 9:1-2.  Secondly we have strong archaeological evidence for giants. Archaeologists routinely find very large bones and weaponry that only a giant could have used. Areas like stonehenge could only have been created by giants, despite colourful tales of druids using logs to roll the stones used to create these calendars thousands of miles - a feet impossible in the old ages. Egyptians routinely gave us pictures of giants on their jars and tombs. The Book of Enoch also talks of giants as well as Jasher and the historical works of Josephus.

Charles Fort documented quite a bit of evidence for giants.
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Notice of a stone ax, 17 inches long: 9 inches across broad end. (Proc. Soc. of Ants. of Scotland, 1-9-184.)
Copper ax from an Ohio mound: 22 inches long; weight 38 pounds. Amer. Anthropologist, n.s., 8-229:
Footprints, in sandstone, near Carson, Nevada—each print 18 to 20 inches long. (Amer. Jour. Sci., 3-26-139.)

As he puts it in Book of the Damned: ( http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/damn/damn12.htm )
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Except—that, no matter how cheerful and unsuspicious my disposition may be, when I go to the American Museum of Natural History, dark cynicisms arise the moment I come to the fossils—or old bones that have been found upon this earth—gigantic things—that have been reconstructed into terrifying but "proper" dinosaurs—but my uncheerfulness—

The dodo did it.

On one of the floors below the fossils, they have a reconstructed dodo. It's frankly a fiction: it's labeled as such—but it's been reconstructed so cleverly and so convincingly—

So where are these giants?

As Fort explains, in our museums, being paraded around as Dinosaurs, no doubt. During the great dinosaur rush crooked scientists (who also as mentioned earlier used spies, thieves and thugs) would find the bones of these giants and use them to piece together their fragmented ideas. On the shoulders of giants indeed!

Just take a look at the shots added below. Those bones that are not faked are from giants.

And this is where it all comes together folks. Why would the government hide such giants? And create dinosaurs?!


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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2016, 12:46:18 PM »

The heart of a blue whale weighs about a half a ton, 1000 lbs. It has to be large enough to pump about 15,000 pints of blood as compared to about 8 pints in a human.
The average heart rate for a man is 72bpm. A blue whale’s heart beats six times a minute. A horse has 38bpm. A rabbit has 205bpm. A rat 420. A mouse 670. The heartbeat of a canary occurs 17 times in a second.
A rate of 1260 beats per minute was measured in a Blue-throated Hummingbird. In torpid hummingbirds, the heart rate can drop to 50-180 per minute.
A giraffe depends on it’s powerful heart that weighs up to 12kg so that it can fight the force of gravity up that long neck to the head.
Octopuses have three hearts.

Well that debunks the BS about their hearts
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2016, 12:54:10 PM »

The heart of a blue whale weighs about a half a ton, 1000 lbs. It has to be large enough to pump about 15,000 pints of blood as compared to about 8 pints in a human.
The average heart rate for a man is 72bpm. A blue whale’s heart beats six times a minute. A horse has 38bpm. A rabbit has 205bpm. A rat 420. A mouse 670. The heartbeat of a canary occurs 17 times in a second.
A rate of 1260 beats per minute was measured in a Blue-throated Hummingbird. In torpid hummingbirds, the heart rate can drop to 50-180 per minute.
A giraffe depends on it’s powerful heart that weighs up to 12kg so that it can fight the force of gravity up that long neck to the head.
Octopuses have three hearts.

Well that debunks the BS about their hearts
Octopuses are not birds are not rats are not rabbits are not horses are not whales are not man are not dinosaurs!

It does no such thing, you've only proved my case. Its not a matter of size, its a matter that their heart would explode. The giraffe is at the peak possible size for heart size for any creature. Beyond that, their hearts would explode.

A long necked dinosaur would not be able to lift its neck, and their blood pressure would cause their heart to explode. A giraffe is at about the peak heart to neck size; any longer and it would die with a blood pressure higher than any other animal. The whale is not a giraffe and is not a long necked dinosaur. The difficulty, as you point out, is fighting gravity up that long neck. The relative size of a giraffe heart is impressive - but an equivalent heart for a dinosaur with a long neck of the sizes we are told would have to be larger than the dinosaur itself or explode due to the pressure. This is not mentioning the point that they would overheat quickly with a heart this large.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2016, 12:58:16 PM »

The heart of a blue whale weighs about a half a ton, 1000 lbs. It has to be large enough to pump about 15,000 pints of blood as compared to about 8 pints in a human.
The average heart rate for a man is 72bpm. A blue whale’s heart beats six times a minute. A horse has 38bpm. A rabbit has 205bpm. A rat 420. A mouse 670. The heartbeat of a canary occurs 17 times in a second.
A rate of 1260 beats per minute was measured in a Blue-throated Hummingbird. In torpid hummingbirds, the heart rate can drop to 50-180 per minute.
A giraffe depends on it’s powerful heart that weighs up to 12kg so that it can fight the force of gravity up that long neck to the head.
Octopuses have three hearts.

Well that debunks the BS about their hearts
Octopuses are not birds are not rats are not rabbits are not horses are not whales are not man are not dinosaurs!

It does no such thing, you've only proved my case. Its not a matter of size, its a matter that their heart would explode. The giraffe is at the peak possible size for heart size for any creature. Beyond that, their hearts would explode.

A long necked dinosaur would not be able to lift its neck, and their blood pressure would cause their heart to explode. A giraffe is at about the peak for neck size; any longer and it would die with a blood pressure higher than any other animal. The whale is not a giraffe and is not a long necked dinosaur. The difficulty, as you point out, is fighting gravity up that long neck. The relative size of a giraffe heart is impressive - but an equivalent heart for a dinosaur with a long neck of the sizes we are told would have to be larger than the dinosaur itself or explode due to the pressure. This is not mentioning the point that they would overheat quickly with a heart this large.

In other words, the fact a Blue Whale's heart is HALF a TON is rejected because it doesn't fit your agenda.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2016, 01:06:14 PM »
Also whales live in water. They get to cheat. A sauropod would need a blood pressure of around ~700 mm Hg. The fin whale produces 100 mm Hg due to being in water. The whale heart would need a right ventricle thats 15 times heavier with a wall 5 times thicker.

"And so we come to the sauropods and their gigantism. A sauropod needs to get a blood pressure of ~700 mm Hg to get blood to the top of its neck. For comparison, the average mammal has a blood pressure of 90 mm Hg. A fin whale produces “only” 100 mm Hg, although whales cheat by being in water. To produce a sauropod’s blood pressure, the whale would need a right ventricle that’s fifteen times heavier (up to two tons), with a wall five times thicker. This would effectively double the metabolic rate, meaning it would have to feed twice as much to be able to sustain itself.

This should give you an idea of the problem we face with sauropods. Sure, they could have had a heart that weighed several tons. But then they would have had to be sedentary, unless they had a source of very high-quality food (something I explored briefly here) that allowed them to maintain the resultant metabolic rate.

This is one of the reasons why sauropods are now reconstructed with their necks more or less horizontal. Without the need to fight against gravity for several meters up the neck, the blood pressure can get down to whale-level, with a similar heart. However, this brings up another issue: feeding and walking. A sauropod taking one step takes a huge amount of energy, as does raising its neck. So unless the saurood is sedentary and merely moves its neck from side to side to feed (we have fossilised sauropod trackways, so at least we know they walked), the problem of needing a super-large heart is not completely solved."

Showing that my estimates for their food consumption are actually very generous.
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