Dinosaurs: Made In China

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #330 on: December 28, 2016, 04:03:15 PM »
Lol wow. You are a top notch liar Fakebillnye. Why don't you continue your quote from the book?

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #331 on: December 28, 2016, 05:37:28 PM »
Lol wow. You are a top notch liar Fakebillnye. Why don't you continue your quote from the book?

No, you. You make all these outlandish claims about clothed giants capable of hospitality. I have refuted these oafish claims using your own source, then you call me a liar. Why don't you quote this book and actually prove me wrong instead of indignantly stamping your feet like a little toddler?

I do not own this book, and the passage I quoted was from Magellan's Voyage: A Narrative Account of the First Circumnavigation and only the passage I quoted was available. Since you claim to own this book, why don't you actually contribute something useful for once?


Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #333 on: December 28, 2016, 06:27:34 PM »
Sorry, I don't have the book you are referring to. You do. Post your "proofs" or admit you misquoted the book.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #334 on: December 28, 2016, 06:37:46 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/Great-Adventures-Explorations-Explorers-Themselves/dp/1162796901 Buy the book. Read it yourself. Will a post on the internet from someone you repeteadly claim is paranoid really change your mind? Lol Go on, its only 40 something dollars, that shouldnt be much to Bill Nye. Oh thats right, you're lying even in your name you lying liar.

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #335 on: December 28, 2016, 07:07:17 PM »
"Usually ships within 3 to 5 weeks"


I don't want to wait that long, is there any chance you could just take a picture of the page in question?

If you have a smartphone made in the last 5 years, the resolution should be good enough to be legible.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #336 on: December 28, 2016, 08:26:50 PM »
So I guess thats the final nail in the coffin, yes? Dinsoaurs are fake. Otherwise humans would have found thier skulls long before the 1800s.

What of all of the dragon myths and legends that are found literally all over the world? Most of them describe them similarly to dinosaurs we find today. So either they found their bones or have seen them personally.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #337 on: December 29, 2016, 02:38:12 AM »
So I guess thats the final nail in the coffin, yes? Dinsoaurs are fake. Otherwise humans would have found thier skulls long before the 1800s.

What of all of the dragon myths and legends that are found literally all over the world? Most of them describe them similarly to dinosaurs we find today. So either they found their bones or have seen them personally.

In the past there were far fewer people, estimates for 100AD. Are around 300 million, plus life was much harder, it was all about survival.....not wasting time digging for bones or posting on flat earth forums.

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #338 on: December 29, 2016, 03:26:15 AM »
So I guess thats the final nail in the coffin, yes? Dinsoaurs are fake. Otherwise humans would have found thier skulls long before the 1800s.

What of all of the dragon myths and legends that are found literally all over the world? Most of them describe them similarly to dinosaurs we find today. So either they found their bones or have seen them personally.

Personally I doubt the assertion that dinosaurs and man walked the earth at the same time.

I think it is possible that ancient civilizations found dinosaur fossils underground and created the myth of dragons to explain the findings.

This would explain why almost every single culture around the earth has dragon myths.

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #339 on: December 29, 2016, 04:27:39 AM »
So I guess thats the final nail in the coffin, yes? Dinsoaurs are fake. Otherwise humans would have found thier skulls long before the 1800s.

What of all of the dragon myths and legends that are found literally all over the world? Most of them describe them similarly to dinosaurs we find today. So either they found their bones or have seen them personally.

Personally I doubt the assertion that dinosaurs and man walked the earth at the same time.

I think it is possible that ancient civilizations found dinosaur fossils underground and created the myth of dragons to explain the findings.

This would explain why almost every single culture around the earth has dragon myths.

As no Dino fossils have been found above the KT boundary, to my knowledge, and given that dates to about 65million years ago, the idea that us and dinosaurs inhabited the earth at the same time is indeed nonesense.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #340 on: December 29, 2016, 04:51:41 AM »
Most of them describe them similarly to dinosaurs we find today.

Where are you finding your dinos, I must know. Last I checked they were all artists depictions, and depicted very differently each time. Sometimes t rex looks like a big blue feathery hell chicken.

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #341 on: December 29, 2016, 07:12:00 AM »


If you found a Tyrannosaurus skull in your back yard, what would you think it was?

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #342 on: December 29, 2016, 08:12:52 AM »
So I guess thats the final nail in the coffin, yes? Dinsoaurs are fake. Otherwise humans would have found thier skulls long before the 1800s.

But they did, it's just that you've never taken the time to find out about it.

Prove it, bub.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #343 on: December 29, 2016, 08:39:08 PM »
So I guess thats the final nail in the coffin, yes? Dinsoaurs are fake. Otherwise humans would have found thier skulls long before the 1800s.

What of all of the dragon myths and legends that are found literally all over the world? Most of them describe them similarly to dinosaurs we find today. So either they found their bones or have seen them personally.

In the past there were far fewer people, estimates for 100AD. Are around 300 million, plus life was much harder, it was all about survival.....not wasting time digging for bones or posting on flat earth forums.

That doesn't explain the dragon myths.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #344 on: December 29, 2016, 08:41:29 PM »
So I guess thats the final nail in the coffin, yes? Dinsoaurs are fake. Otherwise humans would have found thier skulls long before the 1800s.

What of all of the dragon myths and legends that are found literally all over the world? Most of them describe them similarly to dinosaurs we find today. So either they found their bones or have seen them personally.

Personally I doubt the assertion that dinosaurs and man walked the earth at the same time.

We'll agree to disagree at this point however I would like to point out that many reputable people throughout history claimed to have seen such creatures in real life.

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I think it is possible that ancient civilizations found dinosaur fossils underground and created the myth of dragons to explain the findings.

This would explain why almost every single culture around the earth has dragon myths.

I'll give you that.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #345 on: December 29, 2016, 08:44:16 PM »
Most of them describe them similarly to dinosaurs we find today.

Where are you finding your dinos, I must know. Last I checked they were all artists depictions, and depicted very differently each time. Sometimes t rex looks like a big blue feathery hell chicken.

I personally don't take the feathered dinosaur theory too seriously however the basic depiction of the dinosaurs hasn't changed much. What you can do if you have the time and interest is ask a paleontologist team if you can go on one of their expeditions.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #346 on: December 30, 2016, 06:33:23 AM »


If you found a Tyrannosaurus skull in your back yard, what would you think it was?

If you found a giant bone in your back yard what would you think it was? What would make you think it belonged to a dinosaur in the first place, had you no previous knowledge of them before? Why can't you answer my question about dino skulls being found prior to the 1800s? Also, dont you think all the ancient stories about flying fire breathing dragons would have been much different had they been based on decaying fossils half buried in the ground?

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #347 on: December 30, 2016, 11:01:40 AM »


If you found a Tyrannosaurus skull in your back yard, what would you think it was?

If you found a giant bone in your back yard what would you think it was?

That's not what I asked. If I found some generic bone in my back yard, I wouldn't be able to identify it. However, if I found a giant reptilian skull with teeth the size of steak knives, then I would consider that a remarkable find.

What would make you think it belonged to a dinosaur in the first place, had you no previous knowledge of them before?

I wouldn't call it a dinosaur if I had never heard of a dinosaur, because I don't speak Greek. If I had found a Tyrannosaurus skull, I would still be able to identify it as a gigantic predator, possibly a reptile.


Why can't you answer my question about dino skulls being found prior to the 1800s?

There are references to "dragon" bones found in Wucheng, Sichuan, China (written by Chang Qu) over 2,000 years ago; these were probably dinosaur fossils. People have been finding dinosaur bones for millenia. If you shut your eyes to evidence, you won't find any.


Also, dont you think all the ancient stories about flying fire breathing dragons would have been much different had they been based on decaying fossils half buried in the ground?

I think most myths regarding dragons stemmed from dinosaur fossils.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #348 on: December 30, 2016, 07:44:06 PM »
If you found a Tyrannosaurus skull in your back yard, what would you think it was?
If you found a giant bone in your back yard what would you think it was?
That's not what I asked. If I found some generic bone in my back yard, I wouldn't be able to identify it.

I would find it hard to call a two meter long bone generic. So far you have not provided any evidence indicating a skull being found pre 1800.

There are references to "dragon" bones found in Wucheng, Sichuan, China (written by Chang Qu) over 2,000 years ago; these were probably dinosaur fossils. People have been finding dinosaur bones for millenia. If you shut your eyes to evidence, you won't find any.

Nice copy past you lying fake fuck. You must be paid to do this, you are getting lazy! Lol

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"There are references to "dragon" bones found in Wucheng, Sichuan, China (written by Chang Qu) over 2,000 years ago; these were probably dinosaur fossils."
http://www.zoomdinosaurs.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinofossils/First.shtml

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #349 on: December 30, 2016, 07:49:50 PM »
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Much later, in 1676, a huge thigh bone (femur) was found in England by Reverend Plot. It was thought that the bone belonged to a "giant", but was probably from a dinosaur. http://www.zoomdinosaurs.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinofossils/First.shtml
That's from the same site captian-copy-pasta-fakebillnye used.

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #350 on: December 30, 2016, 08:53:46 PM »
What's your obsession with the 1800s?

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #351 on: December 31, 2016, 06:32:20 AM »
Because the 1800s was when a dinosaur skeleton made almost entirely of plaster castings was put on display. No skull, no complete skeleton, just man made fakery. And the entire world believed it.

http://www.levins.com/mount.shtml

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #352 on: December 31, 2016, 06:46:05 AM »
decaying fossils half buried in the ground

Realhumanbeing, can you explain to me what a fossil is? I never understood it. Do they smell when they decay?


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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #353 on: December 31, 2016, 07:00:21 AM »

Image source: http://www.levins.com/bones.shtml

The above picture shows what fossils are. Actually these were all of the bones that were found of Hadrosaurus Faulkii.

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Mr. Foulke was able to excavate a bonanza of jaw and rib fragments, back and tail vertebrae, a forelimb, hip structures and most of a hind leg.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/27/nyregion/dinosaur-site-is-made-a-landmark.html

That small box of fragments apparently was enough to make this...


Image source: http://www.levins.com/mount.shtml

What a scam. I wonder how much money the museum generated after the hundreds of thousands of people came day after day to see this plaster hoax!

Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #354 on: December 31, 2016, 07:18:52 AM »
Neither of those images came from that NY Times article. The actual number of fossils found of Hadrosaurus would scarcely fit in a box so small. I don't know if you are being stupid or intentionally deceiving.

If you actually knew how fossils form, you would understand how incredibly unlikely it would be for a full skeleton to be fossilized. You would also know that they are made of mineral deposits, and therefore cannot decay.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #355 on: December 31, 2016, 12:30:56 PM »
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John the shortest distance between two points on a flat surface is a straight line.
Show this is the case, presuming you mean any flat surface, and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. Also, why it is relevant.
The triangle inequality, a <= b+c is true in flat space.
Consider the straight line AB and some curve c that goes from A to B and isn't equal to AB.
A set of C points will be used to approximate c.
Step 1
Pick a point C1 on c, the path A,C1, B is clearly longer than AB by the triangle inequality.
Step n
Pick another point Cn on the path c, then find the points Cr and Cs that are before and after Cn on the curve c.
The path Cr,Cn,Cs is longer or equal to the path Cr,Cs by the triangle inequality. So the approximation of c given by the n C points is still longer than AB.
So by induction any approximation of a curve from A to B by a finite number of points is longer than AB.

This can be extended to the length of the curve itself.
Consider the sequence T. The value of Tn is the length of a finite approximation of c by a set of points where no two successive points are more than 1/n distance apart. Also the approximation used for Tn+1 must contain all the points used for Tn.
The limit of the sequence will be greater than AB, and will be equal to the length of c.
Therefore the straight line AB is the shortest path between A and B.
I feel like my proof has been ignored.
I missed it.

I'm sorry, you seem to be using some terms you haven't defined, such as some straight line AB. How exactly do you define a straight line? And such a straight line that lies from A to B?
I just meant the normal definition of a straight line, it's a primitive object of the geometry and any two points share a line. Come to think of it straight lines are normally given the property of being the shortest path between two set points, so my proof it a bit redundant if that is an axiom.

I have a feeling the definition of straight line is different in the geometry you have, so I think it would be easier if you give the axioms of it and I see if I can still find a proof.
Small question, what is it that makes you geometry flat instead of +/- curved?
So then you can understand why I would be skeptical of any proof that relies upon an axiom that directly states the intended proof. Likewise, had you defined it along the lines of "a set of points that lie evenly" you might find issue when dealing with the matter of curves.

The Earth is Flat. The issue is our idea of space is incorrect. This can be seen by considering the path of a perfectly orbiting satellite. Since we know it is traveling a straight line, it can be then seen easily that the surface of the earth also follows a straight path. You can find a bit more about it by considering this brief thought experiment: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/blog/einsteins-relativity-proves-earth-flat

As those dragon enthusiasts out there, they have got you thinking so little that they have told you that giant impossible beasts existed and you just swallow it whole with little thought. Whenever a legitimate attack against these mythical beasts lands a decisive blow, the goal post is moved.

Oh yeah, their bodies are sustainable enough - if you fill all their bones with air. Its about as silly as the childhood joke of filling a bunch of balloons up with helium and soaring up to the sky. What's that? their size would have caused them to deplete the nearby food sources in almost no time? Of course not, you know. Because dragons

Their head would give them explosive heart pressure? I think you missed the bit where everybody has decided to believe in this nonsense from the get go because some rich old bastard faked a skeleton for his entertaining lobby. Then comes the wanna-be that started digging out crocodile teeth and bones and stitching them together with Iguanas. And this isn't even getting to the Bone Wars - science has never known a time of less honesty and more fakery. But yeah sure. Giant flying impossible lizards with bones filled up with air, a magic food source, and blood pressure that would make any living creatures heart and circulatory system explode.

Dragons sound totally legit.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #356 on: December 31, 2016, 12:41:12 PM »

Why can't you answer my question about dino skulls being found prior to the 1800s?

There are references to "dragon" bones found in Wucheng, Sichuan, China (written by Chang Qu) over 2,000 years ago; these were probably dinosaur fossils. People have been finding dinosaur bones for millenia. If you shut your eyes to evidence, you won't find any.

People have been finding bones for millennia. They have also been faking various bones for much longer.
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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #357 on: December 31, 2016, 02:11:08 PM »

Why can't you answer my question about dino skulls being found prior to the 1800s?

There are references to "dragon" bones found in Wucheng, Sichuan, China (written by Chang Qu) over 2,000 years ago; these were probably dinosaur fossils. People have been finding dinosaur bones for millenia. If you shut your eyes to evidence, you won't find any.

People have been finding bones for millennia. They have also been faking various bones for much longer.

People have had the ability to fake bones for millenia? I didn't know the ancient Sumerians knew how to make plaster molds.

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Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #358 on: December 31, 2016, 04:16:17 PM »
People have had the ability to fake bones for millenia?

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Since the 6th Century BC, Romans have loved fossils and had adorned their palaces and places of worship with various types of invertebrate and vertebrate fossils (the Temple of Juno bore woolly mammoth tusks). 3,000+ years ago, teeth of large extinct great-white sharks called Carcharadon were found at sacred sites throughout Italy and Greece. Not to mention, these fossil teeth were also regarded as a form of medicine throughout Europe too. They were commonly faked with extant bones and bones of other extinct animals, and as such, laws were even passed to prevent selling fake fossils. http://tumblehomelearning.com/top-ten-top-10-fraudulentfake-fossil-cases-in-history/


Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« Reply #359 on: December 31, 2016, 06:10:21 PM »
The claim was "People have been finding bones for millennia. They have also been faking various bones for much longer."

Meaning people have been faking fossils since before fossils were ever discovered

Simply idiotic.