Watch this video and listen to simple undeniable logic.

You sound like a very wise person...I admire your accomplishments. I too find no refuge in churches. I haven't been to a church in many years except for funerals and I don't put my trust in many preachers either. Religion is just like anything else, it can be good and it can be bad; we are challenged to separate the two.

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on May 06, 2016, 01:50:11 PM

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.

Hmm... My video collection at Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxF_kwhoqmqmvhXTemUIQ0A/videos) started precisely with my own video of flat Earth, enjoy:

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We should not have seen the lower parts of those structures, not even mentioning those storey buildings to the left.

The same was described by Parallax, whose book is here, in the collection so kindly maintained by Tom Bishop:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=17760.msg309155#msg309155

or just go straight to the book:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm


"It would also seriously point to a creator"

Well, many things around us point to the Creator. For example, when I recently found the following records, I could not believe my eyes and ears. Now I am uploading them to Youtube:

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It's not just that incomparable voice or an apparent impossibility for a 13 y.o. kid to sing like that. "The Lord's Prayer" was performed in Jerusalem. Not just somewhere in Jerusalem, but in the Tower of David. Not just somewhere in the Tower of David, but on the spot built by David about 3000 years ago. So, the words of the Son of David were said once again, on this very spot, in Jerusalem, to the elite of Israel. I wanted to pinch myself while watching that, because many years before I had read about a prophecy saying that when this happens, it would mark the beginning of the Apocalypse. And I was watching that with my own eyes. On top of all that, the singer herself or anybody around her apparently had no idea what's going on. I placed the whole concert in my collection, too, - and one episode in it shows that at first, she was supposed to sing on another spot.

Even her first appearance, seemingly occasional, clearly points to that. It's here:
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The audience is laughing, while they should have knelt and pray. For she is singing:

Pie Jesu,
Pie Jesu,
Qui tollis peccata mundi,
Donna eis requiem
Donna eis requiem

which means:

O Sweet Jesus,
O Sweet Jesus,
Who takes away the sins of the world,
Grant them rest
Grant them rest.

It sounds as if an angel has come from heaven and pronounces the final verdict to the world...

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Quote from: Babyhighspeed on May 06, 2016, 01:50:11 PM

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.

Hmm... My video collection at Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxF_kwhoqmqmvhXTemUIQ0A/videos) started precisely with my own video of flat Earth, enjoy:

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We should not have seen the lower parts of those structures, not even mentioning those storey buildings to the left.

The same was described by Parallax, whose book is here, in the collection so kindly maintained by Tom Bishop:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=17760.msg309155#msg309155

or just go straight to the book:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm


"It would also seriously point to a creator"

Well, many things around us point to the Creator. For example, when I recently found the following records, I could not believe my eyes and ears. Now I am uploading them to Youtube:

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It's not just that incomparable voice or an apparent impossibility for a 13 y.o. kid to sing like that. "The Lord's Prayer" was performed in Jerusalem. Not just somewhere in Jerusalem, but in the Tower of David. Not just somewhere in the Tower of David, but on the spot built by David about 3000 years ago. So, the words of the Son of David were said once again, on this very spot, in Jerusalem, to the elite of Israel. I wanted to pinch myself while watching that, because many years before I had read about a prophecy saying that when this happens, it would mark the beginning of the Apocalypse. And I was watching that with my own eyes. On top of all that, the singer herself or anybody around her apparently had no idea what's going on. I placed the whole concert in my collection, too, - and one episode in it shows that at first, she was supposed to sing on another spot.

Even her first appearance, seemingly occasional, clearly points to that. It's here:
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The audience is laughing, while they should have knelt and pray. For she is singing:

Pie Jesu,
Pie Jesu,
Qui tollis peccata mundi,
Donna eis requiem
Donna eis requiem

which means:

O Sweet Jesus,
O Sweet Jesus,
Who takes away the sins of the world,
Grant them rest
Grant them rest.

It sounds as if an angel has come from heaven and pronounces the final verdict to the world...

Well I certainly do agree there is plenty of proof to use for intelligent design under the current known physics, earth ect. I certainly do not need the world to be any certain shape to prove my faith.

Although you mean well, and I am not being rude, I am attempting to understand how these videos provide "proof" of creation.

Also I don't need proof per se, to back up my faith. Of course if I come across anything that supports it..that is an awesome bonus! However, I am fully aware of the fact that it's faith.

Also whatever hard tangible evidence that helps back the Bible, mainstream literally craps themselves trying to destroy it. Finding Sodom, Gomorrah and the 5 cities right where the Bible said. Go figure one was covered in ash..from seismic activity they say. Or the most recent, finding old pottery that had an unknown language on it. 3000 plus years old, coming to find out it's the original form of Hebrew. Much of the old testament was considered to not be accurate and this was a big reason they used. So I am sure they are going to crap out some reason this is bogus as well. This can be done with the 1000 other unique proofs in the Bible

My whole point, don't rely much on empirical evidence to help you with your faith. Even some of the coolest evidence that exsist, mainstream will make sure and rain on your parade. They will use any and all tactics to do this with no moral compass.

These two Scottish lads put it to you in basic form. The globe is a load of nonsense and it takes only one simple bit of logic to understand this.
Like they say in the video; it's not about knowing what Earth is, whether it's a certain shape, without concrete proof, It's about knowing what it "isn't" with concrete proof - and basic  proof at that.
Put simply; water cannot stay on a globe and will always find it's level.

All you people who want the basic of logic and a easily explained down to Earth (pardon the pun) view of simplicity - then view all of the videos these two lads put out.
I understand their accent easily but some people might not. Most people will get the gist of it all and of course, there will be plenty that will refuse to.
I'm not interested in those that refuse to. Just the people that want to understand that reality and truth can be found by going straight into basics.

Anyway, watch the videos and tell me what you think. Personally, I think these two lads are top notch and to the point, with no airs and graces.
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Quote from: Rayzor on May 06, 2016, 04:26:00 PM

The scottish education system failed,  that's hardly news.    Either that or these two likely lads are taking the mickey.   Borderline un-watchable.

Of course it's un-watchable to the likes of you. These lads have basic common sense. they see things and figure things out by using it. They don't just accept anything told to them if it doesn't make sense.
The very fact that you are attacking their country - and them, shows you have lost.
This topic is not for the likes of you. It's for those that can think for themselves, without citing the brainwashed ready to read answers that have not a shred of proof, physically and basically.

The proof about water finding its level, is there for all to observe, physically and basically. Desperation won't change that, Rayzor .

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 06, 2016, 08:08:24 AM

These two Scottish lads put it to you in basic form. The globe is a load of nonsense and it takes only one simple bit of logic to understand this.
Like they say in the video; it's not about knowing what Earth is, whether it's a certain shape, without concrete proof, It's about knowing what it "isn't" with concrete proof - and basic  proof at that.
Put simply; water cannot stay on a globe and will always find it's level.

All you people who want the basic of logic and a easily explained down to Earth (pardon the pun) view of simplicity - then view all of the videos these two lads put out.
I understand their accent easily but some people might not. Most people will get the gist of it all and of course, there will be plenty that will refuse to.
I'm not interested in those that refuse to. Just the people that want to understand that reality and truth can be found by going straight into basics.

Anyway, watch the videos and tell me what you think. Personally, I think these two lads are top notch and to the point, with no airs and graces.
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Put simply; some people simply cannot understand the concept of gravity!

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There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

Rotating Water Curving

Water Curves on Globe

Water nearly Flat on Globe

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There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

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There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

Yes, water always finds its own level.

But there is simply no physical law that says that level is a straight line. It is easy to make water deviate from a straight line.
One way is to put it into tank and spin the tank smoothly, as in this video " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Centrifugal Force on Rotating Water Container.

Of course you will say that the water in that tank is not only subject to the downward acceleration of gravity (or whatever you choose to call it), but to an additional "centripetal acceleration" due the roation. EXACTLY! The nett acceleration is not in a single direction anymore and the surface aligns itself at right angles to this nett acceleration at each location, as illustrated below:

Rotating Water Curving

This is essentially what we get on the globe. The nett acceleration in this case is just the local acceleration due to gravity and is directed (almost^[1]) to the centre of the earth as in this rather rough illustration:

Water Curves on Globe

In this case the surface of the water is always at right angles to the direction we call "down", in other words it is "level" or "horizontal", so the water still "finds its own level" alright, but that level is not a perfectly straight line. Though on a local scale it is so close to a straight like as to not matter.

Over a distance of one mile the surface of perfectly still water would deviate only a total of 2 inches from level (±1" if you like) as in:

Water nearly Flat on Globe

[1] Almost towards the centre because the centripetal acceleration caused by the rotation of the earth causes a slight deviation.

you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

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you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

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Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

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you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

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Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour. Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

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you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

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Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

So you didn't do the math.  Figured as much.  It is moving fast but it is also very big.  The amount of force it creates is about 1/3 of one percent of gravity IIRC.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour. Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

You certainly have a hard time grasping "level" as meaning zero change in elevation, and therefore the surface curving around a sphere with any one spot being level and a pole straight up or down at any one spot being perpendicular with with the surface and pointed directly to or away from the center of that sphere.

You also have a hard time understanding how slow the RPM (not surface speed) of round Earth is, which determines how much something will "fly away from the surface".  Do you know the RPM?

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I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

And here we see that you have a hard time understanding air moving roughly the same speed and direction as the surface.

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you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

So you didn't do the math.  Figured as much.  It is moving fast but it is also very big.  The amount of force it creates is about 1/3 of one percent of gravity IIRC.

I don't understand, what does it matter how big it is? Are you saying because the earth is BIG, movement of 1000 mph is slow in comparison to something SMALLER? If I threw a normal size baseball 1000 mph and I threw a baseball the size of the earth 1000 mph, are saying they both wouldn't travel 1000 miles in one hour?

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you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

So you didn't do the math.  Figured as much.  It is moving fast but it is also very big.  The amount of force it creates is about 1/3 of one percent of gravity IIRC.

I don't understand, what does it matter how big it is? Are you saying because the earth is BIG, movement of 1000 mph is slow in comparison to something SMALLER? If I threw a normal size baseball 1000 mph and I threw a baseball the size of the earth 1000 mph, are saying they both wouldn't travel 1000 miles in one hour?

No, the only reason you get 1,000 mph is because of the size.  A smaller object rotating at the same rate would have a much slower speed.  However what counts here is the rate of rotation and that is STILL a slow 1 time per 24 hours.

and it is obvious that you STILL haven't looked at the math.  I even gave you the relevant force and you're still harping about the speed.  all you're doing is betraying your ignorance.

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you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

So you didn't do the math.  Figured as much.  It is moving fast but it is also very big.  The amount of force it creates is about 1/3 of one percent of gravity IIRC.

I don't understand, what does it matter how big it is? Are you saying because the earth is BIG, movement of 1000 mph is slow in comparison to something SMALLER? If I threw a normal size baseball 1000 mph and I threw a baseball the size of the earth 1000 mph, are saying they both wouldn't travel 1000 miles in one hour?

No, the only reason you get 1,000 mph is because of the size.  A smaller object rotating at the same rate would have a much slower speed.  However what counts here is the rate of rotation and that is STILL a slow 1 time per 24 hours.

and it is obvious that you STILL haven't looked at the math.  I even gave you the relevant force and you're still harping about the speed.  all you're doing is betraying your ignorance.

The simple point I'm trying to make is, the surface of the earth is said to be rotating 1000 mph and to me that is very, very fast and I don't believe it simply because I don't feel or see the effects.

Sure, you will say the air is rotating with it and gravity is holding everything down. Well, I don't buy into that theory.

I feel more like the earth is stationary and gravity is simply the weight of objects pushing them down because of the atmosphere. If the atmospheric pressure was lower objects would weigh less.

I don't know what to believe as far as to what shape the earth may be, but I don't think it is globe shape.

If you are relying on math to give you the answers, then I quote Nikola Tesla, "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality".

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you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

So you didn't do the math.  Figured as much.  It is moving fast but it is also very big.  The amount of force it creates is about 1/3 of one percent of gravity IIRC.

I don't understand, what does it matter how big it is? Are you saying because the earth is BIG, movement of 1000 mph is slow in comparison to something SMALLER? If I threw a normal size baseball 1000 mph and I threw a baseball the size of the earth 1000 mph, are saying they both wouldn't travel 1000 miles in one hour?

No, the only reason you get 1,000 mph is because of the size.  A smaller object rotating at the same rate would have a much slower speed.  However what counts here is the rate of rotation and that is STILL a slow 1 time per 24 hours.

and it is obvious that you STILL haven't looked at the math.  I even gave you the relevant force and you're still harping about the speed.  all you're doing is betraying your ignorance.

The simple point I'm trying to make is, the surface of the earth is said to be rotating 1000 mph and to me that is very, very fast and I don't believe it simply because I don't feel or see the effects.

Why should you?  You feel speed when you have friction or when you have acceleration.  How much friction does a vacuum provide?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

Sure, you will say the air is rotating with it and gravity is holding everything down. Well, I don't buy into that theory.

Why wouldn't the air rotate with it?  What would stop it?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

I feel more like the earth is stationary and gravity is simply the weight of objects pushing them down because of the atmosphere. If the atmospheric pressure was lower objects would weigh less.

Except that is never seen.  Airliners are pressurized to between 8,000 and 10,000 feet and nothing weighs less.  I've been in a pressure chamber and had it depressurized to 30,000 feet and nothing weighed less.  Those who have climbed tall mountains haven't reported everything weighing less.  Objects in vacuum chambers don't weigh less when the chamber is evacuated.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

I don't know what to believe as far as to what shape the earth may be, but I don't think it is globe shape.

Yes, we are all aware that you are desperately trying to find something disproving the globe.  You come here every few days with something new to throw at the wall and see if it sticks.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

If you are relying on math to give you the answers, then I quote Nikola Tesla, "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality".

Nobody is relying on math to give the answers.  I mentioned math for one thing to show the force from the rotation.  That DOES reflect reality.  If you don't trust it then you could derive it and test it yourself.  YOU on the other hand are trying to ignore math completely.

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Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

So you didn't do the math.  Figured as much.  It is moving fast but it is also very big.  The amount of force it creates is about 1/3 of one percent of gravity IIRC.

I don't understand, what does it matter how big it is? Are you saying because the earth is BIG, movement of 1000 mph is slow in comparison to something SMALLER? If I threw a normal size baseball 1000 mph and I threw a baseball the size of the earth 1000 mph, are saying they both wouldn't travel 1000 miles in one hour?

No, the only reason you get 1,000 mph is because of the size.  A smaller object rotating at the same rate would have a much slower speed.  However what counts here is the rate of rotation and that is STILL a slow 1 time per 24 hours.

and it is obvious that you STILL haven't looked at the math.  I even gave you the relevant force and you're still harping about the speed.  all you're doing is betraying your ignorance.

The simple point I'm trying to make is, the surface of the earth is said to be rotating 1000 mph and to me that is very, very fast and I don't believe it simply because I don't feel or see the effects.

Why should you?  You feel speed when you have friction or when you have acceleration.  How much friction does a vacuum provide?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

Sure, you will say the air is rotating with it and gravity is holding everything down. Well, I don't buy into that theory.

Why wouldn't the air rotate with it?  What would stop it?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

I feel more like the earth is stationary and gravity is simply the weight of objects pushing them down because of the atmosphere. If the atmospheric pressure was lower objects would weigh less.

Except that is never seen.  Airliners are pressurized to between 8,000 and 10,000 feet and nothing weighs less.  I've been in a pressure chamber and had it depressurized to 30,000 feet and nothing weighed less.  Those who have climbed tall mountains haven't reported everything weighing less.  Objects in vacuum chambers don't weigh less when the chamber is evacuated.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

I don't know what to believe as far as to what shape the earth may be, but I don't think it is globe shape.

Yes, we are all aware that you are desperately trying to find something disproving the globe.  You come here every few days with something new to throw at the wall and see if it sticks.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

If you are relying on math to give you the answers, then I quote Nikola Tesla, "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality".

Nobody is relying on math to give the answers.  I mentioned math for one thing to show the force from the rotation.  That DOES reflect reality.  If you don't trust it then you could derive it and test it yourself.  YOU on the other hand are trying to ignore math completely.

What are you trying to insinuate by saying, "Yes, we are all aware that you are desperately trying to find something disproving the globe.  You come here every few days with something new to throw at the wall and see if it sticks". You do realize this is not the globe earth society website don't you? I'm I suppose to think like you because we both come here? That statement alone shows you have a superiority complex and any other thought someone has that doesn't coincide with yours is wrong.

There is no proof space is a vacuum.

If it was our atmosphere would be no shield against it.

The definition of a vacuum is,  "a space entirely devoid of matter". That can't be created on earth.

The earth NOT rotating would cause the air NOT to rotate.

Things do get lighter with altitude. Even believing in gravity tells you that.

I feel more like the earth is stationary and gravity is simply the weight of objects pushing them down because of the atmosphere. If the atmospheric pressure was lower objects would weigh less.

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Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

you guys certainly have a hard time grasping water level...don't you? I have a great mind to buying each one of you a water lever so you can see how water seeks it's own level. You even go as far as showing a rotating tank of water and even showing how water will move away from the center towards the sides when spun, and somehow you can't understand how centrifugal force would cause water to fly away from the surface of the earth if in fact it was round and spinning .278 miles per second or 1000 miles per hour.

You really think it would cause water to fly away from the surface at that speed.  Do the math. You'll find the force in miniscule compared to gravity.  You only betray your ignorance with a comment like this.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 07:55:21 AM

Go outside and spray water on your dog and see there the water goes when the dog shakes it off. You should actually do this because I think you believe it will stay stuck to its body no matter how hard the dog shakes.

Does the dog have a mass large enough to create a large gravity field?  No.  Then your statement is absurd.  The force of a dog shaking is also far higher than the force from the spinning Earth.  Have that dog turn around once every 24 hours.  How much water will that shake off?

I was wondering who would respond first. The surface of the earth is moving over 1/4 mile per second, strap a wet dog to the front of you car and race down the road going 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off the dog or it clings to the dog. A lot of people will wash their car and drive it down the road to remove the water. you should try this at a rate of 1/4 mile per second and see if the water flies off your car. Why is this not the same principle?

So you didn't do the math.  Figured as much.  It is moving fast but it is also very big.  The amount of force it creates is about 1/3 of one percent of gravity IIRC.

I don't understand, what does it matter how big it is? Are you saying because the earth is BIG, movement of 1000 mph is slow in comparison to something SMALLER? If I threw a normal size baseball 1000 mph and I threw a baseball the size of the earth 1000 mph, are saying they both wouldn't travel 1000 miles in one hour?

No, the only reason you get 1,000 mph is because of the size.  A smaller object rotating at the same rate would have a much slower speed.  However what counts here is the rate of rotation and that is STILL a slow 1 time per 24 hours.

and it is obvious that you STILL haven't looked at the math.  I even gave you the relevant force and you're still harping about the speed.  all you're doing is betraying your ignorance.

The simple point I'm trying to make is, the surface of the earth is said to be rotating 1000 mph and to me that is very, very fast and I don't believe it simply because I don't feel or see the effects.

Why should you?  You feel speed when you have friction or when you have acceleration.  How much friction does a vacuum provide?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

Sure, you will say the air is rotating with it and gravity is holding everything down. Well, I don't buy into that theory.

Why wouldn't the air rotate with it?  What would stop it?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

I feel more like the earth is stationary and gravity is simply the weight of objects pushing them down because of the atmosphere. If the atmospheric pressure was lower objects would weigh less.

Except that is never seen.  Airliners are pressurized to between 8,000 and 10,000 feet and nothing weighs less.  I've been in a pressure chamber and had it depressurized to 30,000 feet and nothing weighed less.  Those who have climbed tall mountains haven't reported everything weighing less.  Objects in vacuum chambers don't weigh less when the chamber is evacuated.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

I don't know what to believe as far as to what shape the earth may be, but I don't think it is globe shape.

Yes, we are all aware that you are desperately trying to find something disproving the globe.  You come here every few days with something new to throw at the wall and see if it sticks.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

If you are relying on math to give you the answers, then I quote Nikola Tesla, "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality".

Nobody is relying on math to give the answers.  I mentioned math for one thing to show the force from the rotation.  That DOES reflect reality.  If you don't trust it then you could derive it and test it yourself.  YOU on the other hand are trying to ignore math completely.

What are you trying to insinuate by saying, "Yes, we are all aware that you are desperately trying to find something disproving the globe.  You come here every few days with something new to throw at the wall and see if it sticks". You do realize this is not the globe earth society website don't you? I'm I suppose to think like you because we both come here? That statement alone shows you have a superiority complex and any other thought someone has that doesn't coincide with yours is wrong.

Get over yourself.  I did NOT say it was the "globe Earth Society", nor did I say you should think like me, nor does it have anything to do with superiority or any thought that someone that doesn't coincide with mine is wrong.  It is simply a comment about your perceived behavior.  It appears that you search for anything you can find to prove the globe wrong and come by every few days to throw it out.  All I've seen so far is you prove you don't understand not only the globe but also whatever thing you present.  Remember when you tried to claim that globe were made from Mercator's projection?  And then when you provided a source for that absurdity you left out the context that showed your source said nothing of the sort.  I'm still trying to decide if you deliberately left out the context or you really didn't understand it yourself. 

There is no proof space is a vacuum.

None that you'd accept

If it was our atmosphere would be no shield against it.

What would it need to shield against?  A vacuum doesn't suck.  it doesn't do anything.  It just is.

The definition of a vacuum is,  "a space entirely devoid of matter". That can't be created on earth.

And your point?  We can get close though and we don't see objects get lighter.  Conversely when we overpressurize we don't see things get heavier.

The earth NOT rotating would cause the air NOT to rotate.

How does that follow?  If the Earth wasn't rotating, what would cause the air to rotate?

Things do get lighter with altitude. Even believing in gravity tells you that.

Not as much as they should if air pressure was gravity like you said.  There should be a huge difference between 0 and 30,000 feet.  There is not.  All that is seen is the very miniscule drop that coincides with being slightly farther from the center.

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There is no proof space is a vacuum.

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None that you'd accept

I don't know, do you have any proof?

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If it was our atmosphere would be no shield against it.

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What would it need to shield against?  A vacuum doesn't suck.  it doesn't do anything.  It just is.

So you believe the atmosphere would stay intact if it butts up to a complete vacuum? That would mean a vacuum could exist right out in the open. Do you really believe that?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 11:35:23 AM

The definition of a vacuum is,  "a space entirely devoid of matter". That can't be created on earth.

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And your point?  We can get close though and we don't see objects get lighter.  Conversely when we overpressurize we don't see things get heavier.

Given two tanks of identical volume (and identical empty weight), the one under higher pressure will be heavier if both tanks are filled with the same gas.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 11:35:23 AM

The earth NOT rotating would cause the air NOT to rotate.

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How does that follow?  If the Earth wasn't rotating, what would cause the air to rotate?

I don't believe the air rotates, certainly not if the earth was to decide to rotate.

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Things do get lighter with altitude. Even believing in gravity tells you that.

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Not as much as they should if air pressure was gravity like you said.  There should be a huge difference between 0 and 30,000 feet.  There is not.  All that is seen is the very miniscule drop that coincides with being slightly farther from the center.

You know there is 14.7 psi of atmosphere pushing down on you at sea level. The higher you go in altitude the less air pressure is pushing down on you. At 30,000 ft. the pressure is 4.373 psi. I would think that is more than a minuscule amount.

No, but just as soon as someone comes out against you, you start with the personal insults.

I apologized for the mistake I made with the globe and I was sincere. I believe I said that I thought maybe globes were based on Mercator, not that they were for sure. I meant I was speculating.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 11:35:23 AM

There is no proof space is a vacuum.

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None that you'd accept

I don't know, do you have any proof?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 11:35:23 AM

If it was our atmosphere would be no shield against it.

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What would it need to shield against?  A vacuum doesn't suck.  it doesn't do anything.  It just is.

So you believe the atmosphere would stay intact if it butts up to a complete vacuum? That would mean a vacuum could exist right out in the open. Do you really believe that?

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 11:35:23 AM

The definition of a vacuum is,  "a space entirely devoid of matter". That can't be created on earth.

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And your point?  We can get close though and we don't see objects get lighter.  Conversely when we overpressurize we don't see things get heavier.

Given two tanks of identical volume (and identical empty weight), the one under higher pressure will be heavier if both tanks are filled with the same gas.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 11:35:23 AM

The earth NOT rotating would cause the air NOT to rotate.

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How does that follow?  If the Earth wasn't rotating, what would cause the air to rotate?

I don't believe the air rotates, certainly not if the earth was to decide to rotate.

Quote from: Yendor on May 08, 2016, 11:35:23 AM

Things do get lighter with altitude. Even believing in gravity tells you that.

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Not as much as they should if air pressure was gravity like you said.  There should be a huge difference between 0 and 30,000 feet.  There is not.  All that is seen is the very miniscule drop that coincides with being slightly farther from the center.

You know there is 14.7 psi of atmosphere pushing down on you at sea level. The higher you go in altitude the less air pressure is pushing down on you. At 30,000 ft. the pressure is 4.373 psi. I would think that is more than a minuscule amount.

I realize that everyone here is simply reciting what they were taught in school. That is obvious because I was taught the same things. The difference between you and me is I'm not closed to looking at other possibilities. I know it will be  painful when you come to realize that what you were taught is not necessarily the truth and other possibilities can exist. There is no proof the earth is spinning. "Airy's Failure" experiment has merit that the earth may not be spinning. No one knows if space is a vacuum. Dayton Miller's experiments produced positive results that show there could be an aether in space and not a vacuum. There have been experiments that I've seen could prove the earth may be flat. I don't know the answers. All I can do is weigh the possibilities and decide what sounds best to me. If you all want to cling to the same old notions then be my guest. Don't include me in this because I want to spread my wings and fly.