New Dangers - Eye Filters are now REQUIRED

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Re: New Dangers - Eye Filters are now REQUIRED
« Reply #210 on: May 30, 2018, 04:28:02 PM »
Lions take advantage of the weakness of other animals during the full moon period by increasing their hunting rates.

All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight - except modern man and his marvelous "science".
Hmm...  It doesn't seem like moonlight is much of a danger to the lions who use it to hunt by.
Yes, like most disadvantageous traits of our habitat, many species have evolved to make use of what would otherwise be a disadvantage.
So, in other words, moonlight can be an advantage to some of nature.

Dude, its a trade off. The need to eat is obviously more important than avoiding moonlight exposure.

If the only drinkable water you had was dirty, you would still drink it despite its dangers. You would obviously live longer drinking dirty water than not drinking any water at all.

So what if the moon is advantageous to some creatures? We aren't these creatures. We have thousands of generations avoiding the moon for the most part. Whether it was from incidentally sheltering in caves at night or the fact we are not nocturnal, the moon is not something our biology has adapted to. It is best avoided and that is frankly sound advice.

Do you notice that many animals have nictitating membranes over their eyes for protection? Such as Birds and Cats (including the Lion). So it seems their biology has adapted to give some relief from the moonlight. Do we have an extra eye lid we don't know about?


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« Reply #211 on: May 30, 2018, 04:47:39 PM »
You really have difficulties reading. Most show symptoms. All are aware.

What are these "symptoms" you refer to? Moonburn?

How do you know all of nature is "aware" of something if there is no behavior that exhibits that awareness? Do you talk to animals?

There are too many to list.

"Too many to list". Lol.

No need to list them all, silly! List one or two.

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Does it surprise you that something would affect something else without a change in behavior?

How could you tell an animal is affected by something if it doesn't react, which is a change in behavior? Do you talk to them?

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Unfortunately, its not just the Ancient people. Its the consensus of educated peoples since antiquity until now.

[citation needed]
Its wonderful you want a citation of this. One might similarly ask for a citation that people believe the Earth is a globe.

People who believe the earth is a globe are constantly discussing that here. Haven't you noticed any?
 
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Just putting the words in blue doesn't mean a citation is actually needed, as this is something any fool knows.

This citation is actually needed if you expect any thinking person to believe your assertion that "the consensus of educated peoples since antiquity until now" believe that moonlight has properties that make it physically dangerous to look at. It's the "until now" part that I question.

The need is true regardless the color of that text. Using a different color makes it easy to notice, however. Go on, where's the data?

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However, since you apparently have never read a book in your life

And there you go, making yet another rash, yet incorrect, assumption.

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here you go, a decent spread from the last 2000+ years:

Hippocrates (460 BC - 370 BC) "no physician should be entrusted with the treatment of disease who was ignorant of the science of astronomy."
Pliny The Elder (23 AD -79 AD) said it led to the brain to be 'unnaturally moist' leading to madness.
Paracelsus (1493 -1541) "mania has the following symptoms: frantic behaviour, unreasonableness, constant restlessness and mischievousness. Some patients suffer from it depending on the phases of the moon."
Ewald Hering (1834 -1918) "with full moon, increasing mania."

Medical science has advanced a long way since millennia ago, and even in the last century.

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Arnold Lieber (Scientific America)
Most (65+%) Medical Professionals (Mandell 2005 and many others)
45% Educated College Students (Russell & Dua, 1983)

To fill in the gaps, visit your local library.

Not much to go on there.

You're making the claim, provide some information that will back you up. I don't believe that is true and see no reason to go searching. Show me.

Your "citations" are incomplete; they need enough information, like publication name and issue number (or date) to allow the reader to identify the material. "And many others" is useless. Show me.

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In fact, knowledge of the moons danger is used today to help heal the mentally ill.

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Miami psychiatrist Arnold Lieber uses it to great success.

[citation needed] Do you like this color better? I still think the blue stands out more.

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« Reply #212 on: May 30, 2018, 04:52:40 PM »
BTW... I'm about to leave on a trip for about a week. If you post something substantive and I don't get right back to you, don't panic!

LOL at setting yourself up not to have to reply as you are worried your arguments will be crushed. It's OK  8)

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« Reply #213 on: May 30, 2018, 06:20:11 PM »
So, in other words, moonlight can be an advantage to some of nature.
Yes, I'm sure the luna would agree.

Then perhaps you should reconsider this statement:
All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight - except modern man and his marvelous "science".
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #214 on: May 30, 2018, 07:51:03 PM »
This thread seems to have been markjoed.  Thanks alot, markjo, for killing kittens and poisoning Chinese baby's milk.  Are there any other monstrous acts that we can expect in the future, or is this it? 

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« Reply #215 on: May 30, 2018, 08:06:35 PM »
jroa shits up yet another perfectly good thread.
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« Reply #216 on: May 30, 2018, 08:10:22 PM »
jroa shits up yet another perfectly good thread.

You're the one killing kittens and poisoning baby milk it seems. Don't want a thread shit up? Don't be such a monster

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« Reply #217 on: May 30, 2018, 08:21:10 PM »
jroa shits up yet another perfectly good thread.

You're the one killing kittens and poisoning baby milk it seems. Don't want a thread shit up? Don't be such a monster
Markjo's no monster. He's more like a mosquito.
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« Reply #218 on: May 30, 2018, 08:22:54 PM »
jroa shits up yet another perfectly good thread.

You're the one killing kittens and poisoning baby milk it seems. Don't want a thread shit up? Don't be such a monster
Behave or I'll piss in your Cheerios.
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Re: New Dangers - Eye Filters are now REQUIRED
« Reply #219 on: June 03, 2018, 12:05:16 AM »
So, in other words, moonlight can be an advantage to some of nature.
Yes, I'm sure the luna would agree.

Then perhaps you should reconsider this statement:
All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight - except modern man and his marvelous "science".
No, even the luna are aware of the dangers of the moonlight. They make use of it on a nightly basis. Likewise, the tiger is aware. And lyme disease.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2018, 12:13:59 AM by John Davis »
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Re: New Dangers - Eye Filters are now REQUIRED
« Reply #220 on: June 03, 2018, 12:09:18 AM »
Lions take advantage of the weakness of other animals during the full moon period by increasing their hunting rates.

All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight - except modern man and his marvelous "science".
Hmm...  It doesn't seem like moonlight is much of a danger to the lions who use it to hunt by.
Yes, like most disadvantageous traits of our habitat, many species have evolved to make use of what would otherwise be a disadvantage.
So, in other words, moonlight can be an advantage to some of nature.

Dude, its a trade off. The need to eat is obviously more important than avoiding moonlight exposure.

If the only drinkable water you had was dirty, you would still drink it despite its dangers. You would obviously live longer drinking dirty water than not drinking any water at all.

So what if the moon is advantageous to some creatures? We aren't these creatures. We have thousands of generations avoiding the moon for the most part. Whether it was from incidentally sheltering in caves at night or the fact we are not nocturnal, the moon is not something our biology has adapted to. It is best avoided and that is frankly sound advice.

Do you notice that many animals have nictitating membranes over their eyes for protection? Such as Birds and Cats (including the Lion). So it seems their biology has adapted to give some relief from the moonlight. Do we have an extra eye lid we don't know about?


Thank you; finally a reasonable person to talk with.
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« Reply #221 on: June 03, 2018, 12:14:17 AM »
jroa shits up yet another perfectly good thread.

You're the one killing kittens and poisoning baby milk it seems. Don't want a thread shit up? Don't be such a monster
Behave or I'll piss in your Cheerios.
More intellectual gold from camp round.
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« Reply #222 on: June 03, 2018, 05:39:59 PM »
So, in other words, moonlight can be an advantage to some of nature.
Yes, I'm sure the luna would agree.

Then perhaps you should reconsider this statement:
All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight - except modern man and his marvelous "science".
No, even the luna are aware of the dangers of the moonlight. They make use of it on a nightly basis.
What do the luna do on nights when there is no moonlight?

Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.

And lyme disease.
Huh? ???
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« Reply #223 on: June 03, 2018, 06:05:57 PM »

What do the luna do on nights when there is no moonlight?

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« Reply #224 on: June 04, 2018, 09:38:26 AM »
So, in other words, moonlight can be an advantage to some of nature.
Yes, I'm sure the luna would agree.

Then perhaps you should reconsider this statement:
All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight - except modern man and his marvelous "science".
No, even the luna are aware of the dangers of the moonlight. They make use of it on a nightly basis.
What do the luna do on nights when there is no moonlight?
They likely die, but its hard to say.
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Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.
And? Do I have to explain again to you how dogs don't meow, and cats don't bark?
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And lyme disease.
Huh? ???
Lyme disease's symptoms often worsen during the full moon. The same is true of arthritis, as well symptoms like seizures in patients with Parkinson's. Ties have also been shown for psoriasis as well. Another that comes to mind was done by AM Beck of Purdue University on Alzheimer's patients - and he was able to show significant increase in certain disruptive or symptomatic behaviors during the full moon. It can also have an effect on diabetics.

Additionally, it is no secret that it inhibits man's sleep, and lowers his melotonin levels.
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« Reply #225 on: June 04, 2018, 09:53:48 AM »
So, in other words, moonlight can be an advantage to some of nature.
Yes, I'm sure the luna would agree.

Then perhaps you should reconsider this statement:
All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight - except modern man and his marvelous "science".
No, even the luna are aware of the dangers of the moonlight. They make use of it on a nightly basis.
What do the luna do on nights when there is no moonlight?
They likely die, but its hard to say.
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Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.
And? Do I have to explain again to you how dogs don't meow, and cats don't bark?
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And lyme disease.
Huh? ???
Lyme disease's symptoms often worsen during the full moon. The same is true of arthritis, as well symptoms like seizures in patients with Parkinson's. Ties have also been shown for psoriasis as well. Another that comes to mind was done by AM Beck of Purdue University on Alzheimer's patients - and he was able to show significant increase in certain disruptive or symptomatic behaviors during the full moon. It can also have an effect on diabetics.

Additionally, it is no secret that it inhibits man's sleep, and lowers his melotonin levels.
But this is just you claiming these things. Just like you claim penguins were created during the Cold War.

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« Reply #226 on: June 04, 2018, 10:14:53 AM »
He provided you a source for at least one of the claims. Are you suggesting Alan Beck 's work doesn't exist or are you too lazy to conduct a search?
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« Reply #227 on: June 04, 2018, 10:16:40 AM »
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Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.
And? Do I have to explain again to you how dogs don't meow, and cats don't bark?
No, but perhaps you should stop saying things like "All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight" when you admit that it isn't true.

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And lyme disease.
Huh? ???
Lyme disease's symptoms often worsen during the full moon.
They also worsen during a new moon.  What's your point?

The same is true of arthritis, as well symptoms like seizures in patients with Parkinson's. Ties have also been shown for psoriasis as well. Another that comes to mind was done by AM Beck of Purdue University on Alzheimer's patients - and he was able to show significant increase in certain disruptive or symptomatic behaviors during the full moon. It can also have an effect on diabetics.

Additionally, it is no secret that it inhibits man's sleep, and lowers his melotonin levels.
Has it been determined that any of those issues are linked to specific qualities of moonlight, or could similar negative effects be observed when exposed to other light sources?  Fluorescent lights, for example.
There are a number of negative health effects that have been linked to working under fluorescent lights that are theorized to be caused by this body chemistry mechanism such as:

    Migraines
    Eye strain
    Problems sleeping, due to melatonin suppression
    Symptoms of Seasonal Affective Disorder or depression
    Endocrine disruption and poor immune systems
    Female hormonal/menstrual cycle disruption
    Increases in breast cancer rates and tumor formation
    Stress/Anxiety, due to cortisol suppression
    Sexual development/maturation disruption
    Obesity
    Agoraphobia (anxiety disorder)
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« Reply #228 on: June 04, 2018, 10:20:42 AM »
He provided you a source for at least one of the claims. Are you suggesting Alan Beck 's work doesn't exist or are you too lazy to conduct a search?
I'm saying he claimed several things with no supporting evidence

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« Reply #229 on: June 04, 2018, 10:29:11 AM »
Perhaps you could use his post as a stepping stone toward knowledge instead of demanding everyone accomodate your whim.
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« Reply #230 on: June 04, 2018, 10:37:15 AM »
Perhaps you could use his post as a stepping stone toward knowledge instead of demanding everyone accomodate your whim.
But that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm asking for more information.

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« Reply #231 on: June 04, 2018, 10:40:16 AM »
And he gave you the avenues to pursue it.
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« Reply #232 on: June 04, 2018, 11:55:55 AM »
And he gave you the avenues to pursue it.
If someone makes claims it is not unreasonable to ask them to support those claims.

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« Reply #233 on: June 04, 2018, 12:15:21 PM »
What evidence exists that the effects of moonlight are the result of moonlight entering the eyes, and that therefore eye filters privide sufficient protection?

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« Reply #234 on: June 04, 2018, 12:47:20 PM »
Ok. Here are three more references. I'm uncertain why you can't use google yourself. Or read them in the thread provided.

Bacteria:
The most notable evidence, IMO, is that Lyme Disease symptoms become worsened during a full moon. Again you can google this yourself. The reproductive cycle of Borrelia burgdorferi is about 28-30 days - synced up with the full moon every 29.53 days.

Man:
Christian Cajochen, Songül Altanay-Ekici, Mirjam Münch, Sylvia Frey, Vera Knoblauch, Anna Wirz-Justice. Evidence that the Lunar Cycle Influences Human Sleep. Current Biology, 2013; DOI: 10.1016/j.cub.2013.06.029

Here are two more of the references for the above; you wouldn't have to bang on about unsupported claims Badxtoss if you read the thread or looked them up yourself.

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Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.
And? Do I have to explain again to you how dogs don't meow, and cats don't bark?
No, but perhaps you should stop saying things like "All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight" when you admit that it isn't true.
It is true, and I haven't said anything to the opposite.

The tiger is very aware of the dangers of moonlight, and appropriately increases her hunting to prey on those weakened by the moon.

Its not my fault you can't read.
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« Reply #235 on: June 04, 2018, 12:52:27 PM »
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Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.
And? Do I have to explain again to you how dogs don't meow, and cats don't bark?
No, but perhaps you should stop saying things like "All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight" when you admit that it isn't true.
It is true, and I haven't said anything to the opposite.

The tiger is very aware of the dangers of moonlight, and appropriately increases her hunting to prey on those weakened by the moon.

Its not my fault you can't read.
Is the tiger weakened by the moon?
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« Reply #236 on: June 04, 2018, 12:52:53 PM »
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Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.
And? Do I have to explain again to you how dogs don't meow, and cats don't bark?
No, but perhaps you should stop saying things like "All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight" when you admit that it isn't true.
It is true, and I haven't said anything to the opposite.

The tiger is very aware of the dangers of moonlight, and appropriately increases her hunting to prey on those weakened by the moon.

Its not my fault you can't read.
Is the tiger weakened by the moon?
Why do you ask?
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« Reply #237 on: June 04, 2018, 12:56:43 PM »
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Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.
And? Do I have to explain again to you how dogs don't meow, and cats don't bark?
No, but perhaps you should stop saying things like "All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight" when you admit that it isn't true.
It is true, and I haven't said anything to the opposite.

The tiger is very aware of the dangers of moonlight, and appropriately increases her hunting to prey on those weakened by the moon.

Its not my fault you can't read.
Is the tiger weakened by the moon?
Why do you ask?
I'm curious as to what danger the full moon poses to the tiger.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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« Reply #238 on: June 04, 2018, 01:44:57 PM »
Ok. Here are three more references. I'm uncertain why you can't use google yourself. Or read them in the thread provided.

Bacteria:
The most notable evidence, IMO, is that Lyme Disease symptoms become worsened during a full moon. Again you can google this yourself. The reproductive cycle of Borrelia burgdorferi is about 28-30 days - synced up with the full moon every 29.53 days.

Man:
Christian Cajochen, Songül Altanay-Ekici, Mirjam Münch, Sylvia Frey, Vera Knoblauch, Anna Wirz-Justice. Evidence that the Lunar Cycle Influences Human Sleep. Current Biology, 2013; DOI: 10.1016/j.cub.2013.06.029

Here are two more of the references for the above; you wouldn't have to bang on about unsupported claims Badxtoss if you read the thread or looked them up yourself.

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Likewise, the tiger is aware.
Yet the tiger doesn't seem to be negatively affected by the moonlight.
And? Do I have to explain again to you how dogs don't meow, and cats don't bark?
No, but perhaps you should stop saying things like "All nature is aware of the dangers of moonlight" when you admit that it isn't true.
It is true, and I haven't said anything to the opposite.

The tiger is very aware of the dangers of moonlight, and appropriately increases her hunting to prey on those weakened by the moon.

Its not my fault you can't read.
Only one was a reference but thank you for that one.
I haven't been able to find an actual study on the Lyme disease claim.  But those weren't the only claims you made were they?

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« Reply #239 on: June 04, 2018, 03:14:42 PM »
You are correct; however, the affect of lunar cycles on bacteria are well documented and easy to find. Like Ski mentions, I gave you the means to find out for yourself. This of course undermines the earlier claims that "gravity doesn't affect enclosed water", as well as the whole malaria nonsense they tried to sell via a cute story.
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