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Where are the flames on this rocket?

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FlatOrange

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Where are the flames on this rocket?
« on: April 15, 2016, 08:02:55 PM »
I am a round-earther of course, but even if I don't understand something I will bring it up.

There might've been a time or two I didn't bring up something suspicious.

Anyway, I'm trying to find why this rocket on the Mercury mission didn't have any flames.

I can't find another clip of this, it's only in this fan-made video. It's at :19 seconds in.

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Does anyone know??

I'll let you all know if I find anything. Until then, I thought flat-earthers might enjoy it.
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2016, 08:18:51 PM »
Quote from: markjo on April 15, 2016, 08:15:33 PM
The flame is right below the rocket where it belongs.  The Redstone rocket used liquid oxygen and ethyl alcohol for propellant.  Alcohol doesn't produce a terribly bright flame when it burns.  Then again, neither does liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen.

That is the most weak-ass flame I have ever seen.

I guess they didn't have a water deluge system at this point, which would've made it look less weak-ass.
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2016, 08:21:00 PM »
The flame is right below the rocket where it belongs.  The Redstone rocket used liquid oxygen and ethyl alcohol for propellant.  Alcohol is just one of any number of propellants that don't produce a terribly bright flame when they burn. 


Sorry for the ninja edit.
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2016, 08:29:23 PM »
Quote from: FlatOrange on April 15, 2016, 08:18:51 PM
That is the most weak-ass flame I have ever seen.

I guess they didn't have a water deluge system at this point, which would've made it look less weak-ass.
To be fair, the Redstone really wasn't that burly of a rocket anyway (it was only an SRBM, not an ICBM like the Atlas or Titan II that were used later).  As I recall, it was based on the V2 and used pretty much the same propellants and steering vanes in the exhaust stream.
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2016, 08:46:26 PM »
Quote from: markjo on April 15, 2016, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: FlatOrange on April 15, 2016, 08:18:51 PM
That is the most weak-ass flame I have ever seen.

I guess they didn't have a water deluge system at this point, which would've made it look less weak-ass.
To be fair, the Redstone really wasn't that burly of a rocket anyway (it was only an SRBM, not an ICBM like the Atlas or Titan II that were used later).  As I recall, it was based on the V2 and used pretty much the same propellants and steering vanes in the exhaust stream.
Okay, yeah, it's not often I watch rockets that aren't orbital-class.

(Sorry Blue Origin, I don't care about you)
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2016, 05:11:39 AM »
Quote from: FlatOrange on April 15, 2016, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: markjo on April 15, 2016, 08:15:33 PM
The flame is right below the rocket where it belongs.  The Redstone rocket used liquid oxygen and ethyl alcohol for propellant.  Alcohol doesn't produce a terribly bright flame when it burns.  Then again, neither does liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen.

That is the most weak-ass flame I have ever seen.

I guess they didn't have a water deluge system at this point, which would've made it look less weak-ass.


A much bigger rocket that doesn't produce a great gout of fire and smoke is the Delta IV Heavy (nothing light about that one - certainly orbital class!).
All stages (Booster, 1st and second) use LH2/LOX fuel producing only steam as the exhaust. The Space Shuttle Boosters used solid fuel motors - plenty of smoke and fire!
The Saturn V used Liquid Oxygen and RP-1 (near enough to kerosene) - again plenty of visible flame - much more spectacular than the Delta IV Heavy!
There is certainly a flame, but no smoke after the flurry at launch.



Launch of Delta IV Heavy with NROL-15 Payload
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2016, 10:08:45 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on April 16, 2016, 05:11:39 AM
Quote from: FlatOrange on April 15, 2016, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: markjo on April 15, 2016, 08:15:33 PM
The flame is right below the rocket where it belongs.  The Redstone rocket used liquid oxygen and ethyl alcohol for propellant.  Alcohol doesn't produce a terribly bright flame when it burns.  Then again, neither does liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen.

That is the most weak-ass flame I have ever seen.

I guess they didn't have a water deluge system at this point, which would've made it look less weak-ass.


A much bigger rocket that doesn't produce a great gout of fire and smoke is the Delta IV Heavy (nothing light about that one - certainly orbital class!).
All stages (Booster, 1st and second) use LH2/LOX fuel producing only steam as the exhaust. The Space Shuttle Boosters used solid fuel motors - plenty of smoke and fire!
The Saturn V used Liquid Oxygen and RP-1 (near enough to kerosene) - again plenty of visible flame - much more spectacular than the Delta IV Heavy!
There is certainly a flame, but no smoke after the flurry at launch.



Launch of Delta IV Heavy with NROL-15 Payload

No. Compare the two.

Plenty of flame at ignition on the Delta IV


Here watch the redstone launch again. Markjo's pic was not from the video I linked.
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2016, 10:15:57 AM »
You can see the flame under the rocket.
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2016, 11:29:14 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on April 16, 2016, 10:15:57 AM
You can see the flame under the rocket.
Screengrab?
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2016, 12:29:55 PM »
It's right there under the nozzle in your picture and the video.
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Re: Where are the flames on this rocket?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2016, 09:21:02 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on April 16, 2016, 12:29:55 PM
It's right there under the nozzle in your picture and the video.
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