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Re: Genuine question
« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2016, 07:09:44 PM »
The post above me....I shortened to save room

One I would like to say I read your wall of text lol. I would also like to say this is the only answer I have read that attempted to answer my question of the how and why of a conspiracy so massive and complex. Thank you for taking the time to post and answer.

Your story is very convincing, it screams the rationale of the human race. There is much logic that is very believable and accurate of the way we would act. So you have my attention. However, there are still many unanswered questions.

One I would like you to read my wall of text, as you would discover some of the un answered questions in there. Two, you left out some industries that would be involved in such a cover up. This would involve many many more people than you described here.

Let's just use the company dish network. Are they in on it? They would have to be, however some 15 dollar an hour dish repair man would not be inclined to keep a secret. Wouldn't one of them have said "hmmm why am I always pointing these at a cell tower" or something along those lines. Wouldn't they have discovered something is a miss?

I have other questions however I think you may see my point that this conspiracy would be much more endepth than this. Even one of the questions I had of what did I see at those control rooms?? That is a seriously complex ruse....

I will say well done, this is the only answer that I have ready about the mechanism of such a conspiracy that could have merit.
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Re: Genuine question
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2016, 06:56:24 AM »
Greetings,

  I have had a question regarding this theory that has weighed on me. Despite the field I work in, I am not closed mind and I truly appreciate outside the box thinking. I truly enjoy questioning the norm, what is fact and what is not (I also realize no matter what, "facts" are more of a mythological unicorn and not abundant as purported by many). So please know I ask this question with respect, and it is a genuine question.

  What is the theory on how such a conspiracy can be kept when a conspiracy involving 100s of people can barely be held for a decade?  This would surely involve at least a million people or more, involving many different cultures and nations. Requiring say, Russia, for example, to withhold their pride for the "greater good", which is extremely uncommon not to mention torturous of their culture.

   Also lets remove the government involvement. There are many private sector jobs that rely upon the globe model and support it. For example, my company, I have owned for 9 years, some of the items I manufacturer and design are aviation and aerospace items. Including, but not limited to liquid fuel turbo pumps, piston pumps, gyro components, some electronic shielding, along with many other components that are involved in the production of different machinery. I am paid by for profit private sectors, I have never once been issued payment from any government source. Where are my items going??? Who is really paying for them? Are these private sectors just dummy corps for the correct image? If so who is benefiting from this and what is the purpose?

   I have also been invited by long term clients to either visit or required to travel to certain locations for business if issues arrive. Also anytime there is a failure rather it one of my products liability or not (much much bureaucracy involved). I have first hand seen ground control centers for Eutelsat and Intelsat. I have got to observe the data feeds sent and returned, have even been able to witness maintenance adjustment procedure done on a mid orbit bird. I have also seen partially complete and fully completed satellites before delivery. How is this explained? What have I witnessed in the control rooms??? Was it a video game to look the part? Where are these birds going if the physics behind them are impossible??? Are they junked somewhere?? Just a giant waste to keep appearances? Granted I will say there are no pictures or anything of the such in the control areas, just data and position charts along with radar variances. However, this seems very elaborate  for something that only a very few people will see.  I would truly enjoy to hear the position and theory explaining this.

   I will say one thing though, and this has seemed odd to me. For the last 4 years the materials requested for anything aerospace wise has diminished to a very small portion.  The big 7 sat builders (which are government funded) dissolve any private sector builders by two ways. One make it impossible to launch with bureaucratic tape, or two, one of the big 7 buys that company and they vanish. Government explanation is so they can control what is up there, supposedly preventing junk from being launched, failing in orbit, causing cascade reactions, losing guidance before it can even reach a junk orbit ect ect. Also "lowering" insurance premiums (have yet to be seen, also it is almost impossible to get insurance as a private builder now, they either price you out of business or just deny completely). This action took place almost over night with no warning, no grandfather clause and really nothing at all to do about it. This has never set right with me.

   These are just a few of the questions I have had regarding your theory, without getting into the physics of things, I believe the question needs to be addressed about the dynamics and magnitude of the conspiracy itself. As I said before, this is asked with respect and a genuine search for the answer. Freedom of mind and thought is one of the highest of my priority.

I ask because I am interested.... seemingly "insane" theories such as these have two out comes. One they are just insane, or two, they are the truth. Sheeple are real, conspiracies are real and so are trolls. However, from the possibility of the second option, I never disregard a theory until it collapses in on itself.

I'm going to be clear with my position. I'm just as confused as you are, but I will attempt my wrapping around involving this subject you have presented. Because you make very excellent points, and seem like a very smart individual. I'm not a Flat Earther myself, and am not sure if many would even enjoy responding to the questions you have presented. Yet, as you said yourself, you DO have doubt. My doubt lies not with the earth itself and weather it is round or flat, but with the governments of the earth. (I'll work from top to bottom answering what I can as best I can.) As you stated: What is the theory on how such a conspiracy can be kept when a conspiracy involving 100s of people can barely be held for a decade?

As you stated later on, the number could quite possibly be more than just 100s. ( This would surely involve at least a million people or more, involving many different cultures and nations.) I am sure however, there are indeed scientist who know the truth, however, I would not think all do, so that leaves possibly key people, being a very small number possibly added to the 100s that would HAVE to be in government who know the truth. Most people aren't that smart however, don't know that much. Most people don't even to begin to question the globe model or even begin to question taxes or the prices on the shelves at their local food market. Infact, I think the prime example of this is America. Western Civilization has however expanded its reach far past the coast of America and the easy going life style of modernism has claimed many many contents in just the past 60 years. The world is no longer a small place. The fact that there are 7 billion some odd people proves this I think. My point being, most people don't even care, and if Flat Earth did end up being a fact, I'm sure not just millions of people would be shocked, but virtually every person on this earth. I.E. BILLIONS
The powers at be do surely know this to be a fact. This might indeed be their prime motivation to simply stop this information from getting out. However, let me say something that is on your mind, as I'm sure it is on everyones mind. What about in the future? Your buissness sir, is at the forefront of space. What you do is helping push the bounds of how big this planet is. Your very job means that we now have a primary export OUTSIDE our own fucking planet. Did you read that right? We send shit into space, we are not just a planetary species anymore. Our civilization is on the very verge of type 1. Utilizing all energy on our planet I would say is not just 50 years away, but within your lifetime and mine. WE WILL BE A TYPE ONE CIVILIZATION SOON. Our technology will never stop progressing as long as no crazy extinction event type disasters happen within the next 100 years. As a consequence of this, we won't just be sending stuff soon. We might be sending people to other fucking planets.
"Where are my items going??? Who is really paying for them? Are these private sectors just dummy corps for the correct image? If so who is benefiting from this and what is the purpose?"
In the past 9 years working in your field I'm sure you've seen leaps and bounds in the technology you're fabricating. Parts in your mind do have a purpose and do go somewhere. I can not argue with that. You're the guy who makes them, I'm a 20 year old in his bedroom. However, consider this? Are there not already countless theories involving already a "world order." I can't say one exists, but isn't what you described itself: "100s that would HAVE to be in government who know the truth." Just that? The amount of money and power and control might be far beyond what it was after the "they" we are talking about found out the truth, because I'm not sure anyone "always" knew. This is to big and to heavy a burden to hold for many but a few, lets face it "heartless" individuals. Lets face it though, those that might even possibly know are not at all "bad off."

I once saw an astronaut be asked to swear on the bible. He never touched it when being recorded during the interview. Treated it more as if it were a snake pit. ( " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> ) Now, they have all of course been breaded very heavily by many many skeptics over the years. But let me go from a different angle here.

If YOU KNEW that for a fact we were all living in a dome, that there was even a chance that the world we live in was being watched by something, someone, don't you think that the bible would not only become a symbol of not only truth but...something more? I think anyone who knew the truth would be skeptic to swear on a bible, knowing that there might be consequences for lies. Knowing, and accepting that the world you live in was made for us. Of these people that do know, are not from outside the dome, outside the world, but born onto it like everyone else. Their motivation you ask? Money, power, curruption. We are only human after all. I personally believe this whole flat earth concept isn't all that hard to accept when it comes down to it. Sure, its far fetched, sure, its a bit crazy, but the deeper you look, the harder you dig. There is something wrong. There are questions that aren't being answered.
I will not sit here and claim that I know for a fact the earth if flat, or that we are all lied to, because when it comes down to it, you'd be correct in most of your assumptions. It would be a difficult task to accomplish for any government working in unision with members of the government all having different on world motivations and cultures all having different opinions on each other.
I'll be sure to link the video I semi quoted, it is two hours long, and I believe if you ever have enough time in your day it will end up being a good watch. I'm not an avid believe as of yet, but I'm just here because I think there is something collectively wrong with the world we live in, but I can't change the opinions of millions of people.

I'm sure with 9 years in a dedicated feild of work you have seen much more than me, and it is clear from reading your very first post through and through you feel many feelings I myself feel now, and you make many different varied equipment and have seen much more than me. We all have questions, and we are all here for the truth. Hopefully we both find what we are looking for soon. Best of luck, I enjoyed reading, replying, and participating in your thread OP!

P.S. Am I allowed to steal your signature, because it just makes me laugh!
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Re: Genuine question
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2016, 07:04:58 AM »
P.S. Am I allowed to steal your signature, because it just makes me laugh!

Not as much as you make me laugh with your tl;dr shillathon...

Ever seen Raiders of the Lost Ark btw?
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Re: Genuine question
« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2016, 07:13:55 AM »
P.S. Am I allowed to steal your signature, because it just makes me laugh!

Not as much as you make me laugh with your tl;dr shillathon...

Ever seen Raiders of the Lost Ark btw?

Insult me then ask if I've seen Raiders of the Lost ark.

Sure. I'm game man.

Yes.
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« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2016, 07:46:25 AM »
With the sound down?
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Re: Genuine question
« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2016, 07:56:50 AM »
With the sound down?

Many, many times since childhood. I'm sure the sound was down once or twice, and up at a reasonably loud level other times.

I'm sure for the epic lulz you are about to present me with you'd like another simple answer though, so, yes.
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« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2016, 08:30:28 AM »
And?
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« Reply #67 on: May 03, 2016, 08:44:24 AM »
And?

I'm not at all sure I see your point. I'm hesitant to answer a question you presented with another question like, "what is your point?"

And it was an interesting movie I enjoy thoroughly to this day. I much prefer Indian Jones and the temple of doom though, better story, more interesting. It was the first PG-13 movie I believe.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. I also really don't see how this pertains to OP's original post at all. I'm not sure you care at all if it does though so I'll just let you continue with whatever it is you're trying to get out of me.
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« Reply #68 on: May 03, 2016, 10:01:34 AM »
*Yawn!*

Dumb shill...

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Re: Genuine question
« Reply #69 on: May 03, 2016, 10:11:37 PM »
With the sound down?

Many, many times since childhood. I'm sure the sound was down once or twice, and up at a reasonably loud level other times.

I'm sure for the epic lulz you are about to present me with you'd like another simple answer though, so, yes.

Just ignore Legba.......He is on a mental break and can't help it. Logic, rational thinking, and basic day to day tasks is just a few of the impossibilities he can not perform.

Also don't be surprised if he calls you me. Apparently I am heiwa, markjo, the pope, and queen Latifa. This is just my typical Wednesday.  ::)
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Re: Genuine question
« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2016, 04:32:23 PM »
With the sound down?

Many, many times since childhood. I'm sure the sound was down once or twice, and up at a reasonably loud level other times.

I'm sure for the epic lulz you are about to present me with you'd like another simple answer though, so, yes.

Just ignore Legba.......He is on a mental break and can't help it. Logic, rational thinking, and basic day to day tasks is just a few of the impossibilities he can not perform.

Also don't be surprised if he calls you me. Apparently I am heiwa, markjo, the pope, and queen Latifa. This is just my typical Wednesday.  ::)

Crazy stuff goes down in life :/

 ??? I am a rational tinker. I try. I'm just a normal guy. I'm not crazy, while having heard crazy things.

I think its just a reaction people have.

I once heard of a study where people can never be 100% sure on anything. Doubt can always be presented.

Humans aptitude for great feats and things that boggle the mind and our prespective of the universe, I mean.. The implications, astounding. And I firmly believe there will always be a countious error in the systematic inspection of the human race, and subsequent races into the future. It would not be to insane to say further in the future there will be many other races say 10,000 years from now at possible current expansion. Once we reach another planet, the universe is the limit.

We have no idea what the even means. How we even got here.

Who knows. I love hearing everyone's theories and ideas. Nothing is to crazy to consider. We are all rational people. I have time enough to read the internet.
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« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2016, 11:09:27 PM »
I surely was not calling you crazy good sir. I was just warning not to rack your brain on the Legba factor
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