The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.

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The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« on: April 13, 2016, 01:30:13 AM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 04:14:49 AM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D
This question has been answered so many times that we are sick to death of it!

The short answer is that the atmosphere as a whole is rotating along with the esrth, so there is no large relative motion.

Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 05:16:56 AM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

This post has all of the facts and evidence I expect from you. Good job. Are you next going to try and say Satan causes the tides?

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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2016, 12:15:01 AM »
Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

It's called relative motion. The atmosphere moves in relation with the spinning of the Earth.
It's also the reason you can jump up and down on a train and you stay in the same spot, despite how quickly the train is moving.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2016, 05:00:04 AM »
The videos of the International Space Station don't suggest the Earth is spinning or moving! The ISS is just stuck up there and nothing is moving. I dunno, perhaps the scientists got their maths wrong. Perhaps the Earth moves/spins at the same speed as your pet tortoise.  ;D

Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2016, 08:15:12 AM »
The videos of the International Space Station don't suggest the Earth is spinning or moving! The ISS is just stuck up there and nothing is moving. I dunno, perhaps the scientists got their maths wrong. Perhaps the Earth moves/spins at the same speed as your pet tortoise.  ;D

Some people just don't have the brain capacity to understand relative velocity and frame of reference.

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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2016, 12:52:32 PM »
The videos of the International Space Station don't suggest the Earth is spinning or moving! The ISS is just stuck up there and nothing is moving. I dunno, perhaps the scientists got their maths wrong. Perhaps the Earth moves/spins at the same speed as your pet tortoise.  ;D


Pretty much:  0.000694 RPM  :o

Or, half the speed of the hour hand on a clock.  :D

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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2016, 07:16:36 AM »
If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west. In actual fact, however, whenever this has been tested, vertically-fired cannonballs shoot upwards an average of 14 seconds ascending, 14 seconds descending, and fall back to the ground no more than 2 feet away from the cannon, often directly back into the muzzle.

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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2016, 07:17:37 AM »
 If the Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, helicopters and hot-air balloons should be able to simply hover over the surface of the Earth and wait for their destinations to come to them!

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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2016, 08:01:10 AM »
Ball-believers often claim “gravity” magically and inexplicably drags the entire lower-atmosphere of the Earth in perfect synchronization up to some undetermined height where this progressively faster spinning atmosphere gives way to the non-spinning, non-gravitized, non-atmosphere of infinite vacuum space. Such non-sensical theories are debunked, however, by rain, fireworks, birds, bugs, clouds, smoke, planes and projectiles all of which would behave very differently if both the ball-Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning Eastwards at 1000mph.



If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph, then the average commercial airliner traveling 500mph should never be able to reach its Eastward destinations before they come speeding up from behind! Likewise Westward destinations should be arrived at thrice the speed, but this is not the case.  :D



If the Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning Eastwards over 1000mph, this should somewhere somehow be seen, heard, felt or measured by someone, yet no one in history has ever experienced this alleged Eastward motion; meanwhile, however, we can hear, feel and experimentally measure even the slightest Westward breeze.



If “gravity” is credited with being a force strong enough to hold the world’s oceans, buildings, people and atmosphere stuck to the surface of a rapidly spinning ball, then it is impossible for “gravity” to also simultaneously be weak enough to allow little birds, bugs, and planes to take-off and travel freely unabated in any direction.

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 If Earth were a spinning ball heated by a Sun 93 million miles away, it would be impossible to have simultaneously sweltering summers in Africa while just a few thousand miles away bone-chilling frozen Arctic/Antarctic winters experiencing little to no heat from the Sun whatsoever. If the heat from the Sun traveled 93,000,000 miles to the Sahara desert, it is absurd to assert that another 4,000 miles (0.00004%) further to Antarctica would completely negate such sweltering heat resulting in such drastic differences.

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Antarctica is by far the coldest place on Earth with an average annual temperature of approximately -57 degrees Fahrenheit, and a record low of -135.8! The average annual temperature at the North Pole, however, is a comparatively warm 4 degrees. Throughout the year, temperatures in the Antarctic vary less than half the amount at comparable Arctic latitudes. The Northern Arctic region enjoys moderately warm summers and manageable winters, whereas the Southern Antarctic region never even warms enough to melt the perpetual snow and ice. On a tilting, wobbling, ball-Earth spinning uniformly around the Sun, Arctic and Antarctic temperatures and seasons should not vary so greatly.

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At places of comparable latitude North and South, dawn and dusk happen very differently than they would on a spinning ball, but precisely how they should on a flat Earth. In the North dawn and dusk come slowly and last far longer than in the South where they come and go very quickly. Certain places in the North twilight can last for over an hour while at comparable Southern latitudes within a few minutes the sunlight completely disappears. This is inexplicable on a uniformly spinning, wobbling ball Earth but is exactly what is expected on a flat Earth with the Sun traveling faster, wider circles over the South and slower, narrower circles over the North.



 The “Midnight Sun” is an Arctic phenomenon occurring annually during the summer solstice where for several days straight an observer significantly far enough north can watch the Sun traveling circles over-head, rising and falling in the sky throughout the day, but never fully setting for upwards of 72+ hours! If the Earth were actually a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight. To see the Sun for an entire revolution on a spinning globe at a point other than the poles, you would have to be looking through miles and miles of land and sea for part of the revolution!



NASA and modern astronomy say the Earth is a giant ball tilted back, wobbling and spinning 1,000 mph around its central axis, traveling 67,000 mph circles around the Sun, spiraling 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous 670,000,000 mph through the Universe, with all of these motions originating from an alleged “Big Bang” cosmogenic explosion 14 billion years ago. That’s a grand total of 670,568,000 mph in several different directions we’re all supposedly speeding along at simultaneously, yet no one has ever seen, felt, heard, measured or proven a single one of these motions to exist whatsoever.

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NASA and modern astronomy say Polaris, the North Pole star, is somewhere between 323-434 light years, or about 2 quadrillion miles, away from us! Firstly, note that is between 1,938,000,000,000,000 - 2,604,000,000,000,000 miles making a difference of 666,000,000,000,000 (over six hundred trillion) miles! If modern astronomy cannot even agree on the distance to stars within hundreds of trillions of miles, perhaps their “science” is flawed and their theory needs re-examining. However, even granting them their obscurely distant stars, it is impossible for heliocentrists to explain how Polaris manages to always remain perfectly aligned straight above the North Pole throughout Earth’s various alleged tilting, wobbling, rotating and revolving motions.



The mariner’s compass is an impossible and non-sensical instrument for use on a ball-Earth. It simultaneously points North and South over a flat surface, yet claims to be pin-pointing two constantly moving geomagnetic poles at opposite ends of a spinning sphere originating from a hypothetical molten metal core. If compass needles were actually drawn to the North pole of a globe, the opposing “South” needle would actually be pointing up and off into outer-space.



The Sun brings noon to every time-zone as it passes directly over-head every 15 degree demarcation point, 24 times per day in its circular path over and around the Earth. If time-zones were instead caused by the uniform spinning of the ball-Earth around the Sun, every 6 months as Earth found itself on the opposite side of the Sun, clocks all over Earth would have to flip 12 hours, day would be night and night would be day.

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When you observe the Sun and Moon you see two equally-sized equidistant circles tracing similar paths at similar speeds around a flat, stationary Earth. The “experts” at NASA, however, claim your common sense every day experience is false on all counts! To begin with, they say the Earth is not flat but a big ball; not stationary but spinning around 19 miles per second; they say the Sun does not revolve around the Earth as it appears, but Earth revolves around the Sun; the Moon, on the other hand, does revolve around the Earth, though not East to West as it appears, rather West to East; and the Sun is actually 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times farther away! You can clearly see they are the same size and distance, you can see the Earth is flat, you can feel the Earth is stationary, but according to the gospel of modern astronomy, you are wrong and a simpleton worthy of endless ridicule if you dare to trust your own eyes and experience.

Moon: Perigee   362600 km (356400–370400 km) Apogee   405400 km (404000–406700 km) (+-%10)



Heliocentrists believe the Moon is a ball, even though its appearance is clearly that of a flat luminous disc. We only ever see the same one face (albeit at various inclinations) of the Moon, yet it is claimed that there is another “dark side of the Moon” which remains hidden. NASA states the Moon spins opposite the spin of the Earth in such a perfectly synchronized way that the motions cancel each other out so we will conveniently never be able to observe the supposed dark-side of the Moon outside of their terrible fake CGI images. The fact of the matter is, however, if the Moon were a sphere, observers in Antarctica would see a different face from those at the equator, yet they do not – just the same flat face rotated at various degrees.



Throughout thousands of years the same constellations have remained fixed in their same patterns without moving out of position whatsoever. If the Earth were a big ball spinning around a bigger Sun spinning around a bigger galaxy shooting off from the Biggest Bang as NASA claims, it is impossible that the constellations would remain so fixed. Based on their model, we should, in fact, have an entirely different night sky every single night and never repeat exactly the same star pattern twice.



If “gravity” magically dragged the atmosphere along with the spinning ball Earth, that would mean the atmosphere near the equator would be spinning around at over 1000mph, the atmosphere over the mid-latitudes would be spinning around 500mph, and gradually slower down to the poles where the atmosphere would be unaffected at 0mph. In reality, however, the atmosphere at every point on Earth is equally unaffected by this alleged force, as it has never been measured or calculated and proven non-existent by the ability of airplanes to fly unabated in any direction without experiencing any such atmospheric changes.



 If there were progressively faster and faster spinning atmosphere the higher the altitude that would mean it would have to abruptly end at some key altitude where the fastest layer of gravitized spinning atmosphere meets the supposed non-gravitized non-spinning non-atmosphere of infinite vacuum space! NASA has never mentioned what altitude this impossible feat allegedly happens, but it is easily philosophically refuted by the simple fact that vacuums cannot exist connected to non-vacuums while maintaining the properties of a vacuum – not to mention, the effect such a transition would have on a rocket “space ship” would be disastrous.

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All NASA and other “space agencies” rocket launches never go straight up. Every rocket forms a parabolic curve, peaks out, and inevitably starts falling back to Earth. The rockets which are declared “successful” are those few which don’t explode or start falling too soon but make it out of range of spectator view before crashing down into restricted waters and recovered. There is no magic altitude where rockets or anything else can simply go up, up, up and then suddenly just start “free-floating” in space. This is all a science-fiction illusion created by wires, green-screens, dark pools, some permed hair and Zero-G planes.




 If you pick any cloud in the sky and watch for several minutes, two things will happen: the clouds will move and they will morph gradually changing shape. In official NASA footage of the spinning ball Earth, such as the “Galileo” time-lapse video however, clouds are constantly shown for 24+ hours at a time and not moving or morphing whatsoever! This is completely impossible, further proof that NASA produces fake CGI videos, and further evidence that Earth is not a spinning ball.

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The spinning ball model dictates that the Earth and atmosphere would be moving together at approximately 500mph at the mid-latitudes where an LA to NYC flight takes place. The average commercial airliner traveling 500mph takes 5.5 hours traveling East with the alleged rotation of the Earth, so the return flight West should take only 2.75 hours, but in fact we find the average NYC to LA flight takes 6 hours, a flight time totally inconsistent with the spinning ball model.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2016, 08:05:06 AM »
If the Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, helicopters and hot-air balloons should be able to simply hover over the surface of the Earth and wait for their destinations to come to them!

If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west.
And what mechanism do you propose would bring the helicopter, hot-air balloon, and cannonball to a stop (they are also moving over 1000mph when they leave the surface), while the surface and air continue by?

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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2016, 08:30:24 AM »
If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west. In actual fact, however, whenever this has been tested, vertically-fired cannonballs shoot upwards an average of 14 seconds ascending, 14 seconds descending, and fall back to the ground no more than 2 feet away from the cannon, often directly back into the muzzle.



It is called inertia. The cannonball has the same speed as the earth as it leaves to cannon. The air close to the earth has this same inertia, which means  there is no significant lateral drag on the cannonball. So the path is straight up and straight down, within the drag co-effeicent of the projectile. IE is the ball a perfect smooth sphere? Did firing the cannonball impart a spin and if so, was it overhand, underhand, left or right. And if it is spinning is it doing so in perfect relation to its center of gravity?  Did the act of firing it change the shape of the sphere? And how did it change? Where is the center of gravity now? All that means you recalculate spins and the rest.

Then there is the weather conditions to consider. Humid? Dry? Hot? Cold? High pressure? Low pressure? Is a front over the site or approaching or passing? Is the front a cold front, a warm front, or stationary?

What is it about math and science that FE seem to want to avoid? You ask a question and  when actual math and science are brought into it, you scream Troll.

So, either you are asking the question because you think you can beat the math and science, or you just like to scream you're being trolled because you cannot prove the math wrong.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2016, 08:53:45 AM »
If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west. In actual fact, however, whenever this has been tested, vertically-fired cannonballs shoot upwards an average of 14 seconds ascending, 14 seconds descending, and fall back to the ground no more than 2 feet away from the cannon, often directly back into the muzzle.


Because cannon balls have a magical ability to lose all the momentum they had before they were fired?

If the Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, helicopters and hot-air balloons should be able to simply hover over the surface of the Earth and wait for their destinations to come to them!


And apparently helicopters and hot air balloons have that same magical ability?

Ball-believers often claim “gravity” magically and inexplicably drags the entire lower-atmosphere of the Earth in perfect synchronization up to some undetermined height where this progressively faster spinning atmosphere gives way to the non-spinning, non-gravitized, non-atmosphere of infinite vacuum space. Such non-sensical theories are debunked, however, by rain, fireworks, birds, bugs, clouds, smoke, planes and projectiles all of which would behave very differently if both the ball-Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning Eastwards at 1000mph.



If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph, then the average commercial airliner traveling 500mph should never be able to reach its Eastward destinations before they come speeding up from behind! Likewise Westward destinations should be arrived at thrice the speed, but this is not the case.  :D
and apparently airliners are immune to momentum too!

If “gravity” is credited with being a force strong enough to hold the world’s oceans, buildings, people and atmosphere stuck to the surface of a rapidly spinning ball, then it is impossible for “gravity” to also simultaneously be weak enough to allow little birds, bugs, and planes to take-off and travel freely unabated in any direction.
Lift and buoyancy are concepts that flat Earthers don't want to understand?

If Earth were a spinning ball heated by a Sun 93 million miles away, it would be impossible to have simultaneously sweltering summers in Africa while just a few thousand miles away bone-chilling frozen Arctic/Antarctic winters experiencing little to no heat from the Sun whatsoever. If the heat from the Sun traveled 93,000,000 miles to the Sahara desert, it is absurd to assert that another 4,000 miles (0.00004%) further to Antarctica would completely negate such sweltering heat resulting in such drastic differences.
Not distance, angle of incidence.  At least do SOME basic research.

Antarctica is by far the coldest place on Earth with an average annual temperature of approximately -57 degrees Fahrenheit, and a record low of -135.8! The average annual temperature at the North Pole, however, is a comparatively warm 4 degrees. Throughout the year, temperatures in the Antarctic vary less than half the amount at comparable Arctic latitudes. The Northern Arctic region enjoys moderately warm summers and manageable winters, whereas the Southern Antarctic region never even warms enough to melt the perpetual snow and ice. On a tilting, wobbling, ball-Earth spinning uniformly around the Sun, Arctic and Antarctic temperatures and seasons should not vary so greatly.
Because according to flat Earthers only location affects climate and not anything else like air and water currents.   ::)


At places of comparable latitude North and South, dawn and dusk happen very differently than they would on a spinning ball, but precisely how they should on a flat Earth. In the North dawn and dusk come slowly and last far longer than in the South where they come and go very quickly. Certain places in the North twilight can last for over an hour while at comparable Southern latitudes within a few minutes the sunlight completely disappears. This is inexplicable on a uniformly spinning, wobbling ball Earth but is exactly what is expected on a flat Earth with the Sun traveling faster, wider circles over the South and slower, narrower circles over the North.
At certain places that flattists won't tell you because you might be able to check for yourselves and see they were pulling it our of their asses.


The “Midnight Sun” is an Arctic phenomenon occurring annually during the summer solstice where for several days straight an observer significantly far enough north can watch the Sun traveling circles over-head, rising and falling in the sky throughout the day, but never fully setting for upwards of 72+ hours! If the Earth were actually a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight. To see the Sun for an entire revolution on a spinning globe at a point other than the poles, you would have to be looking through miles and miles of land and sea for part of the revolution!
And the flattists prove they don't understand how the globe they despise even works.  The claim any point less than 89 degrees latitude would not work is completely false. 



NASA and modern astronomy say the Earth is a giant ball tilted back, wobbling and spinning 1,000 mph around its central axis, traveling 67,000 mph circles around the Sun, spiraling 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous 670,000,000 mph through the Universe, with all of these motions originating from an alleged “Big Bang” cosmogenic explosion 14 billion years ago. That’s a grand total of 670,568,000 mph in several different directions we’re all supposedly speeding along at simultaneously, yet no one has ever seen, felt, heard, measured or proven a single one of these motions to exist whatsoever.
Obsession with NASA noted.  Why do flattists think NASA came up with this?  When do you feel uniform motion?  It is a lie that it is not seen or measured.  Heard?  Really? That one's a joke, right?
This one is nothig more than argument from incredulity, like most of the rest.


NASA and modern astronomy say Polaris, the North Pole star, is somewhere between 323-434 light years, or about 2 quadrillion miles, away from us! Firstly, note that is between 1,938,000,000,000,000 - 2,604,000,000,000,000 miles making a difference of 666,000,000,000,000 (over six hundred trillion) miles! If modern astronomy cannot even agree on the distance to stars within hundreds of trillions of miles, perhaps their “science” is flawed and their theory needs re-examining. However, even granting them their obscurely distant stars, it is impossible for heliocentrists to explain how Polaris manages to always remain perfectly aligned straight above the North Pole throughout Earth’s various alleged tilting, wobbling, rotating and revolving motions.
More argument from incredulity and a massive misunderstanding of the scales involved.


The mariner’s compass is an impossible and non-sensical instrument for use on a ball-Earth. It simultaneously points North and South over a flat surface, yet claims to be pin-pointing two constantly moving geomagnetic poles at opposite ends of a spinning sphere originating from a hypothetical molten metal core. If compass needles were actually drawn to the North pole of a globe, the opposing “South” needle would actually be pointing up and off into outer-space.
And a misunderstanding of how magnetic fields work.


The Sun brings noon to every time-zone as it passes directly over-head every 15 degree demarcation point, 24 times per day in its circular path over and around the Earth. If time-zones were instead caused by the uniform spinning of the ball-Earth around the Sun, every 6 months as Earth found itself on the opposite side of the Sun, clocks all over Earth would have to flip 12 hours, day would be night and night would be day.
Look up sidereal day versus solar day.  It takes 24 hours to revolve to face the sun but 23 hours 56 minutes and about 4 seconds to revolve 360 degrees relative to the stars.  That difference over 6 months adds up to the the 12 hours and makes this point moot.



When you observe the Sun and Moon you see two equally-sized equidistant circles tracing similar paths at similar speeds around a flat, stationary Earth. The “experts” at NASA, however, claim your common sense every day experience is false on all counts! To begin with, they say the Earth is not flat but a big ball; not stationary but spinning around 19 miles per second; they say the Sun does not revolve around the Earth as it appears, but Earth revolves around the Sun; the Moon, on the other hand, does revolve around the Earth, though not East to West as it appears, rather West to East; and the Sun is actually 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times farther away! You can clearly see they are the same size and distance, you can see the Earth is flat, you can feel the Earth is stationary, but according to the gospel of modern astronomy, you are wrong and a simpleton worthy of endless ridicule if you dare to trust your own eyes and experience.
More obsession with NASA and more argument from incredulity


Heliocentrists believe the Moon is a ball, even though its appearance is clearly that of a flat luminous disc. We only ever see the same one face (albeit at various inclinations) of the Moon, yet it is claimed that there is another “dark side of the Moon” which remains hidden. NASA states the Moon spins opposite the spin of the Earth in such a perfectly synchronized way that the motions cancel each other out so we will conveniently never be able to observe the supposed dark-side of the Moon outside of their terrible fake CGI images. The fact of the matter is, however, if the Moon were a sphere, observers in Antarctica would see a different face from those at the equator, yet they do not – just the same flat face rotated at various degrees.
Massive misunderstanding of the scale involved.  And ignoring that we see more than 50% of the Moon due to libration.


Throughout thousands of years the same constellations have remained fixed in their same patterns without moving out of position whatsoever. If the Earth were a big ball spinning around a bigger Sun spinning around a bigger galaxy shooting off from the Biggest Bang as NASA claims, it is impossible that the constellations would remain so fixed. Based on their model, we should, in fact, have an entirely different night sky every single night and never repeat exactly the same star pattern twice.
more argument from incredulity and more misunderstanding of scale.


If “gravity” magically dragged the atmosphere along with the spinning ball Earth, that would mean the atmosphere near the equator would be spinning around at over 1000mph, the atmosphere over the mid-latitudes would be spinning around 500mph, and gradually slower down to the poles where the atmosphere would be unaffected at 0mph. In reality, however, the atmosphere at every point on Earth is equally unaffected by this alleged force, as it has never been measured or calculated and proven non-existent by the ability of airplanes to fly unabated in any direction without experiencing any such atmospheric changes.
More argument from incredulity.


If there were progressively faster and faster spinning atmosphere the higher the altitude that would mean it would have to abruptly end at some key altitude where the fastest layer of gravitized spinning atmosphere meets the supposed non-gravitized non-spinning non-atmosphere of infinite vacuum space! NASA has never mentioned what altitude this impossible feat allegedly happens, but it is easily philosophically refuted by the simple fact that vacuums cannot exist connected to non-vacuums while maintaining the properties of a vacuum – not to mention, the effect such a transition would have on a rocket “space ship” would be disastrous.
more argument from incredulity and just a misunderstanding of the atmosphere in general.  The atmosphere thins to near nothing the further you go up.  Why would a transition from near nothing to nothing be "disastrous"?


All NASA and other “space agencies” rocket launches never go straight up. Every rocket forms a parabolic curve, peaks out, and inevitably starts falling back to Earth. The rockets which are declared “successful” are those few which don’t explode or start falling too soon but make it out of range of spectator view before crashing down into restricted waters and recovered. There is no magic altitude where rockets or anything else can simply go up, up, up and then suddenly just start “free-floating” in space. This is all a science-fiction illusion created by wires, green-screens, dark pools, some permed hair and Zero-G planes.
And flattists prove they don't know how orbits work.  You can't get into orbit by going straight up.  Then some ignorance of free-fall.


If you pick any cloud in the sky and watch for several minutes, two things will happen: the clouds will move and they will morph gradually changing shape. In official NASA footage of the spinning ball Earth, such as the “Galileo” time-lapse video however, clouds are constantly shown for 24+ hours at a time and not moving or morphing whatsoever! This is completely impossible, further proof that NASA produces fake CGI videos, and further evidence that Earth is not a spinning ball.
The clouds DO move and morph on those 24+ hour videos so that part is a lie.  They are also far larger than the tiny clouds you are seeing from the ground so AGAIN with the misunderstanding of scale.


The spinning ball model dictates that the Earth and atmosphere would be moving together at approximately 500mph at the mid-latitudes where an LA to NYC flight takes place. The average commercial airliner traveling 500mph takes 5.5 hours traveling East with the alleged rotation of the Earth, so the return flight West should take only 2.75 hours, but in fact we find the average NYC to LA flight takes 6 hours, a flight time totally inconsistent with the spinning ball model.
And back to the magic momentumless airplanes.  Or the far more likely, the flattist that intikam plagiarized his post from doesn't understand momentum.

Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2016, 08:54:23 AM »
If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west. In actual fact, however, whenever this has been tested, vertically-fired cannonballs shoot upwards an average of 14 seconds ascending, 14 seconds descending, and fall back to the ground no more than 2 feet away from the cannon, often directly back into the muzzle.


Citation for at least one of these tests, please.

Even so, the analysis is wrong and the conclusion is wrong, but still I'd like to see the particulars of the tests that were referred to if any actually occurred.

Don't have any?

I did not realized making stuff up was a valid debate tactic.  ::)
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2016, 09:21:13 AM »
Here is the precise formula for the deflection of a vertically fired projectile:



T = period of rotation, 24h x 3600x/h = 86,400 s

g = 32 ft/s2

t = time spent in the air (the projectile)

cos@ (cosine of latitude of experiment)

π = 3.1416

Using this formula we can see that the cannonball experiment does prove that the Earth is stationary.

t = 28 seconds

latitude of Bedford: 52.136 degrees

cos 52.136 = 0.6138

δ = 5.2 ft
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2016, 09:46:28 AM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Everything spins with the earth. The atmosphere, you, my potato of a computer, the servers that run this place, that ISIS coin, etc.

Even if the Earth stopped spinning, we would still move as if the Earth was spinning and literally everything would turn into a huge bullet. Even bullets will go fast and bounce everywhere. Take a look at this video from Vsauce, who even nincompoops would respect:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">! No longer available

So frickin chaos.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2016, 09:49:40 AM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Most of what you wrote through out this thread can be disproved simply by getting on a plane, train or automobile.  When it starts moving jump or toss something straight up.  What happens?  Does you are the object you tossed up land close to the same spot or does you or it move towards the opposite direction of movement?

Seems you must have had this pointed out to you before.

More and more I am starting to believe FE's have a real difficulty with thinking about things relative to each other. 

For your cannonball it is also already moving in the direction of rotation of the Earth before it is fired.  Firing the cannon straight up would not negate the lateral movement the cannonball is already experiencing.

Consider Newton's laws.  Something would need to act on the canon ball to alter its linear movement.  So what force are you saying acts on the cannonball?  Unless you are also disputing Newton's laws.


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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2016, 09:52:59 AM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Everything spins with the earth. The atmosphere, you, my potato of a computer, the servers that run this place, that ISIS coin, etc.

Even if the Earth stopped spinning, we would still move as if the Earth was spinning and literally everything would turn into a huge bullet. Even bullets will go fast and bounce everywhere. Take a look at this video from Vsauce, who even nincompoops would respect:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">! No longer available

So frickin chaos.

But nothing can spin with same speed. The objects that have high "specific weight" are high effected by  gravity and earth's spin. The objects that have low "specific weight" are low effected by  gravity and earth's spin. For example the air has effected lower then the solid objects. Therefore air can move so low and  left behind. We feel it as very strong winds. But there isin't. We feel nothing.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2016, 09:57:12 AM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Everything spins with the earth. The atmosphere, you, my potato of a computer, the servers that run this place, that ISIS coin, etc.

Even if the Earth stopped spinning, we would still move as if the Earth was spinning and literally everything would turn into a huge bullet. Even bullets will go fast and bounce everywhere. Take a look at this video from Vsauce, who even nincompoops would respect:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">! No longer available

So frickin chaos.

But nothing can spin with same speed. The objects that have high "specific weight" are high effected by  gravity and earth's spin. The objects that have low "specific weight" are low effected by  gravity and earth's spin. For example the air has effected lower then the solid objects. Therefore air can move so low and  left behind. We feel it as very strong winds. But there isin't. We feel nothing.
Except we do feel it as wind....
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2016, 10:42:18 AM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Everything spins with the earth. The atmosphere, you, my potato of a computer, the servers that run this place, that ISIS coin, etc.

Even if the Earth stopped spinning, we would still move as if the Earth was spinning and literally everything would turn into a huge bullet. Even bullets will go fast and bounce everywhere. Take a look at this video from Vsauce, who even nincompoops would respect:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">! No longer available

So frickin chaos.

But nothing can spin with same speed. The objects that have high "specific weight" are high effected by  gravity and earth's spin. The objects that have low "specific weight" are low effected by  gravity and earth's spin. For example the air has effected lower then the solid objects. Therefore air can move so low and  left behind. We feel it as very strong winds. But there isin't. We feel nothing.

This is just nonsensical. Take a basic physics class and do some simple experiments on momentum. As others have pointed out, next time you are in motion of some sort, in a car, train, airplane, throw a ball up in the air. Does the ball get left behind? Throw two balls of different density up, do they come down in different spots? Do they come down at different times? Gravity affects all things with the same acceleration, no matter the density. You can't just rewrite the most basic laws of physics and expect everyone to go along with it.

The only reason I can think of that would cause a cannon ball fired up not fall back where it was fired from would be conservation of angular momentum. When you increase the radius by firing the ball straight up, to conserve the angular momentum, the angular velocity would have to decrease. Like sticking your legs out while spinning in a chair. The change would be extremely small though, with an original radius of 4000 miles and a new radius of 4002 miles (assuming a cannon ball would fire two miles straight up). Other factors such as wind or imperfections in the cannon ball would probably have more of an impact.

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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2016, 12:53:58 PM »
Here is the precise formula for the deflection of a vertically fired projectile:



T = period of rotation, 24h x 3600x/h = 86,400 s

g = 32 ft/s2

t = time spent in the air (the projectile)

cos@ (cosine of latitude of experiment)

π = 3.1416

Using this formula we can see that the cannonball experiment does prove that the Earth is stationary.

t = 28 seconds

latitude of Bedford: 52.136 degrees

cos 52.136 = 0.6138

δ = 5.2 ft

What you proved is you ignore the math that doesn't fit your agenda.

The atmosphere is part of the spinning earth and is moving WITH the surface   the cannon and cannonball are part of.

Your "formula has TWO MORE MAJOR ERRORS.

First, it is for a VACUUM.

Two, it ignores the lateral inertia imparted on the cannon and therefore the cannonball in flight.

Here's one that will make FE nuts. In long range shooting, the sights can be dead on perfect for shooting compass headings 90 and 270 degrees, but once you get off those headings, it progressively gets worse until you get to 0 and 180 degrees where the bullet's impact is at its furthest left or right of zero. And the impact point is dependent on the shooter being north or south of the equator as to which heading leads to a progressively left or right of zero.

More proof (as if such were needed) that the earth IS in  Fact round.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2016, 01:03:22 PM »
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 The “Midnight Sun” is an Arctic phenomenon occurring annually during the summer solstice where for several days straight an observer significantly far enough north can watch the Sun traveling circles over-head, rising and falling in the sky throughout the day, but never fully setting for upwards of 72+ hours! If the Earth were actually a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight. To see the Sun for an entire revolution on a spinning globe at a point other than the poles, you would have to be looking through miles and miles of land and sea for part of the revolution!


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Explain how the first picture allows for a midnight sun in Antarctica.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2016, 01:19:39 PM »
If the Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, helicopters and hot-air balloons should be able to simply hover over the surface of the Earth and wait for their destinations to come to them!

If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west.
And what mechanism do you propose would bring the helicopter, hot-air balloon, and cannonball to a stop (they are also moving over 1000mph when they leave the surface), while the surface and air continue by?

The mechanism is called "I don't understand inertia".
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2016, 01:30:18 PM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Everything spins with the earth. The atmosphere, you, my potato of a computer, the servers that run this place, that ISIS coin, etc.

Even if the Earth stopped spinning, we would still move as if the Earth was spinning and literally everything would turn into a huge bullet. Even bullets will go fast and bounce everywhere. Take a look at this video from Vsauce, who even nincompoops would respect:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">! No longer available

So frickin chaos.

But nothing can spin with same speed. The objects that have high "specific weight" are high effected by  gravity and earth's spin. The objects that have low "specific weight" are low effected by  gravity and earth's spin. For example the air has effected lower then the solid objects. Therefore air can move so low and  left behind. We feel it as very strong winds. But there isin't. We feel nothing.

This is just nonsensical. Take a basic physics class and do some simple experiments on momentum. As others have pointed out, next time you are in motion of some sort, in a car, train, airplane, throw a ball up in the air. Does the ball get left behind? Throw two balls of different density up, do they come down in different spots? Do they come down at different times? Gravity affects all things with the same acceleration, no matter the density. You can't just rewrite the most basic laws of physics and expect everyone to go along with it.

The only reason I can think of that would cause a cannon ball fired up not fall back where it was fired from would be conservation of angular momentum. When you increase the radius by firing the ball straight up, to conserve the angular momentum, the angular velocity would have to decrease. Like sticking your legs out while spinning in a chair. The change would be extremely small though, with an original radius of 4000 miles and a new radius of 4002 miles (assuming a cannon ball would fire two miles straight up). Other factors such as wind or imperfections in the cannon ball would probably have more of an impact.

The car, train, airplane and a ball all of these are solid. But the air is gas. When you drive your drophead vehicle with 100 mls/h, the objects on the car continues to stay on it and they goes with 100 mls/h like your car. But the air on the car don't go with you. And you feel the air like a wind that hits your face with 100 mls/h.

The world is moving with 1.000 km/h like a car but we feel nothing! So there is no move!
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2016, 01:33:36 PM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Everything spins with the earth. The atmosphere, you, my potato of a computer, the servers that run this place, that ISIS coin, etc.

Even if the Earth stopped spinning, we would still move as if the Earth was spinning and literally everything would turn into a huge bullet. Even bullets will go fast and bounce everywhere. Take a look at this video from Vsauce, who even nincompoops would respect:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">! No longer available

So frickin chaos.

But nothing can spin with same speed. The objects that have high "specific weight" are high effected by  gravity and earth's spin. The objects that have low "specific weight" are low effected by  gravity and earth's spin. For example the air has effected lower then the solid objects. Therefore air can move so low and  left behind. We feel it as very strong winds. But there isin't. We feel nothing.
Except we do feel it as wind....

wind is not caused by the earth's rotation . If it is, it should always blow in the east to the west. But the wind blowing from all quarters to all quarters.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2016, 01:36:54 PM »
If the Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, helicopters and hot-air balloons should be able to simply hover over the surface of the Earth and wait for their destinations to come to them!

If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west.
And what mechanism do you propose would bring the helicopter, hot-air balloon, and cannonball to a stop (they are also moving over 1000mph when they leave the surface), while the surface and air continue by?

The mechanism is called "I don't understand inertia".

The mechanism is called "I'm not satanist, atheist or ziyonist"
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2016, 01:56:02 PM »
If the Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, helicopters and hot-air balloons should be able to simply hover over the surface of the Earth and wait for their destinations to come to them!

If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west.
And what mechanism do you propose would bring the helicopter, hot-air balloon, and cannonball to a stop (they are also moving over 1000mph when they leave the surface), while the surface and air continue by?

The mechanism is called "I don't understand inertia".

The mechanism is called "I'm not satanist, atheist or ziyonist"

Are you seriously attempting to claim that someone who believes the earth is round is a satanist , atheist or zionist? That knowing the earth, created by God, round is un-Christian?
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2016, 02:10:48 PM »
If the Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, helicopters and hot-air balloons should be able to simply hover over the surface of the Earth and wait for their destinations to come to them!

If Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, vertically-fired cannonballs and other projectiles should fall significantly due west.
And what mechanism do you propose would bring the helicopter, hot-air balloon, and cannonball to a stop (they are also moving over 1000mph when they leave the surface), while the surface and air continue by?

The mechanism is called "I don't understand inertia".

The mechanism is called "I'm not satanist, atheist or ziyonist"

Understanding physics makes you a satanist. Brilliant.
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2016, 02:50:10 PM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Everything spins with the earth. The atmosphere, you, my potato of a computer, the servers that run this place, that ISIS coin, etc.

Even if the Earth stopped spinning, we would still move as if the Earth was spinning and literally everything would turn into a huge bullet. Even bullets will go fast and bounce everywhere. Take a look at this video from Vsauce, who even nincompoops would respect:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">! No longer available

So frickin chaos.

But nothing can spin with same speed. The objects that have high "specific weight" are high effected by  gravity and earth's spin. The objects that have low "specific weight" are low effected by  gravity and earth's spin. For example the air has effected lower then the solid objects. Therefore air can move so low and  left behind. We feel it as very strong winds. But there isin't. We feel nothing.

I think you are thinking about the wrong thing.

You are talking about basics, like hammer and feather. Things are simply going to a trajectory that matches the earth's spin. I could help you. Please google "physics".
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Re: The Spinning Of The Earth Is Impossible.
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2016, 04:10:40 PM »
All about this matter will be here day by day. There are some theoretical calculations about it. also I will prepare some of them .

Simply if the world do spinning, The effect of moving atmosphere acts like crazy because they are different gravity acts to land and to air.

that does not matter  you trolls write or not.  Just others. :D

Everything spins with the earth. The atmosphere, you, my potato of a computer, the servers that run this place, that ISIS coin, etc.

Even if the Earth stopped spinning, we would still move as if the Earth was spinning and literally everything would turn into a huge bullet. Even bullets will go fast and bounce everywhere. Take a look at this video from Vsauce, who even nincompoops would respect:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">! No longer available

So frickin chaos.

But nothing can spin with same speed. The objects that have high "specific weight" are high effected by  gravity and earth's spin. The objects that have low "specific weight" are low effected by  gravity and earth's spin. For example the air has effected lower then the solid objects. Therefore air can move so low and  left behind. We feel it as very strong winds. But there isin't. We feel nothing.

This is just nonsensical. Take a basic physics class and do some simple experiments on momentum. As others have pointed out, next time you are in motion of some sort, in a car, train, airplane, throw a ball up in the air. Does the ball get left behind? Throw two balls of different density up, do they come down in different spots? Do they come down at different times? Gravity affects all things with the same acceleration, no matter the density. You can't just rewrite the most basic laws of physics and expect everyone to go along with it.

The only reason I can think of that would cause a cannon ball fired up not fall back where it was fired from would be conservation of angular momentum. When you increase the radius by firing the ball straight up, to conserve the angular momentum, the angular velocity would have to decrease. Like sticking your legs out while spinning in a chair. The change would be extremely small though, with an original radius of 4000 miles and a new radius of 4002 miles (assuming a cannon ball would fire two miles straight up). Other factors such as wind or imperfections in the cannon ball would probably have more of an impact.

The car, train, airplane and a ball all of these are solid. But the air is gas. When you drive your drophead vehicle with 100 mls/h, the objects on the car continues to stay on it and they goes with 100 mls/h like your car. But the air on the car don't go with you. And you feel the air like a wind that hits your face with 100 mls/h.

The world is moving with 1.000 km/h like a car but we feel nothing! So there is no move!

I find it hard to believe adults can be this ignorant. Seriously, all of these questions are answered in the first few weeks of a high school physics class. Everything is spinning at 1000 km/h, including the air. It has been spinning since the Earth was formed and will continue to spin long after you die. From your example, if you drive with at 100 mph in the same direction as a 100 mph wind, you don't feel it.

It wouldn't be possible for the air to not spin with the planet, the friction of the surface of the Earth would eventually spin the air up to the same speed, like a washing machine or a propeller.