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Google maps absurdity
« on: April 12, 2016, 04:56:58 AM »
We know google map isn't true and is a fiction.

On this matter we'll see how it has impossible lenghts.

This is san fransisco airport: https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Francisco+International+Airport/@37.6213171,-122.3811441,755m/data=



Click on the red point and right click to "measure distance". Put the measurement circle in the center of the red point shows the airport.

This is Shanghai Pudong International airport : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Shanghai+Pudong+International+Airport/@31.1430711,121.8045279,1154m/data=



Directly left click. The measurement emerged. Get the small circle to center of the airport's red point. What did you read? About: 9.876,7 km. If you see a number like this, Your measurement is  correct.

Now we need just a direct fly between these airports:

Click the link belove:

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES590/history/20160411/1900Z/KSFO/ZSPD

This is an Chinese flight:

Direct: 9.889 km    Planned: 10.367 km    Flew: 10.672 km



These direct distance is different from the map 12 km. Is it at all? No.

Look to planned and flew distances. It is so so different. Why?

Choose another fly between these airports.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL857/history/20160411/2025Z/KSFO/ZSPD

This is an United Airline Flight.



Distances: Direct: 9.889 km    Planned: 10.207 km    Flew: 10.614 km

As you see that it is actually about 10.600 km, but shown on the map 9.877 km it is still wrong because direct distance is 9.889 km.

I hope you see the nonsences!

To Be Continued...
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2016, 05:30:56 AM »
This is still San Fransisco Airport: https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Francisco+International+Airport/@37.6213171,-122.3811441,17z/data=

Now we go to Sydney. Why are we going to sydney? because i know you Curious what am i thinking about it.  :D
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sydney+Airport/@-33.9401835,151.1756597,18z/



The distance is 11.949 km.

Now we go to find a fly between these cities.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA73/history/20160411/0300Z/YSSY/KSFO

Direct: 11.963 km    Planned: 12.117 km    Flew: 12.207 km

It is 14 km difference. Still so much.

I want to show another interesting fly to you:

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL870/history/20160411/0030Z/YSSY/KSFO

Direct: 11.963 km    Planned: 12.281 km    Flew: 14.407 km

Hey man what's going on there?  Why are you going 2,000 km additional road ?

Or is this a difference between the quality of Qantas First Class fly and United Airlines poor airlines.  ;D

We wonder is "United Airlines" really going slow ? Or did He loose his way?

First we look to the  route:. Compare them:
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA73/history/20160411/0300Z/YSSY/KSFO
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL870/history/20160411/0030Z/YSSY/KSFO

Completely same !

Now We must to look to the tracklog of these two flights:

This is the speedy Qantas tracklog.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA73/history/20160411/0300Z/YSSY/KSFO/tracklog

This is the slow United Airlines tracklog.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL870/history/20160411/0030Z/YSSY/KSFO/tracklog

Which one is faster?

Look at the graphics at top! They have same speeds or the United Airlines fly has a bit faster!





If you look carefully, you see that the Altitude of the planes are so different. The United Airlines plane goes higher about 5.000-10.000 feet than the Qantas. Actually it must be so so faster. How is it possible the Qantas airlines plane is going with about same speed when it is under about 10.000 feet from the United Airline plane? Is he used F22 or Su 35 warcraft? This is impossible! This fly isn't true!



This shows there is a game on Cantas Airlines.

Just i want to say that these "bad guys" (qantas team) are  probably in the NASA's game .
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2016, 05:43:57 AM »
We know google map isn't true and is a fiction.

Distances: Direct: 9.889 km    Planned: 10.207 km    Flew: 10.614 km

As you see that it is actually about 10.600 km, but shown on the map 9.877 km it is still wrong because direct distance is 9.889 km.

I hope you see the nonsences!

To Be Continued...
The explanations of these distances have nothing to do with any errors in "google maps".

Firstly aircraft do not usually fly exactly the Great Circle Route.

There are a number of reasons for this. Sometimes extra distance is added just to avoid other air traffic. This is usually minor on long-distance flights.
On these long distance flights the main reason for extra distance is the winds they might meet on the route. At the altitude these planes fly at (usually over 10,000 m) there are almost always the "jet streams" which are commonly at over 160 km/hr. These winds blow from west to east and are usually in a narrow stream. Hence planes flying from San Francisco to Shanghai would try to avoid these winds. Planes flying the other way way would try to fly in the jet stream to get a tail-wind.

In any case, for a number of reasons aircraft will always fly further than the shortest route (the Great Circle).

As to the 12 km difference, there is no surprise in a difference like that over such a long distance. Instead of criticising other people's distance measuring programs, why don't you look into how it is done, then you might realise the complexities involved.

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2016, 05:49:50 AM »
We know google map isn't true and is a fiction.

Distances: Direct: 9.889 km    Planned: 10.207 km    Flew: 10.614 km

As you see that it is actually about 10.600 km, but shown on the map 9.877 km it is still wrong because direct distance is 9.889 km.

I hope you see the nonsences!

To Be Continued...
The explanations of these distances have nothing to do with any errors in "google maps".

Firstly aircraft do not usually fly exactly the Great Circle Route.

There are a number of reasons for this. Sometimes extra distance is added just to avoid other air traffic. This is usually minor on long-distance flights.
On these long distance flights the main reason for extra distance is the winds they might meet on the route. At the altitude these planes fly at (usually over 10,000 m) there are almost always the "jet streams" which are commonly at over 160 km/hr. These winds blow from west to east and are usually in a narrow stream. Hence planes flying from San Francisco to Shanghai would try to avoid these winds. Planes flying the other way way would try to fly in the jet stream to get a tail-wind.

In any case, for a number of reasons aircraft will always fly further than the shortest route (the Great Circle).

As to the 12 km difference, there is no surprise in a difference like that over such a long distance. Instead of criticising other people's distance measuring programs, why don't you look into how it is done, then you might realise the complexities involved.

There are 2 000 kilometres difference between the two fly have same routes and about same speeds. Are you  blind?
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2016, 05:59:32 AM »
@rabinoz; click these two links:

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA73/history/20160411/0300Z/YSSY/KSFO
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL870/history/20160411/0030Z/YSSY/KSFO

There are two fly from sydney to san fransisco.

On the page look the right side: (mesafe) it means distance. and find (ušulan) it means flew.

Qantas airplane flew just 12.207 kilometres but the United Airlines flew 14.407 kilometres. The difference is  2.200 kilometres.

Can you explain how they flew different 2200 kilometres? 2200 kilometres is same distances about from the point West Point of the Europe to the point East of the Europe. (The distance from madrid to Athens is just 2.360 kilometres) .

Look they have about same routes and same speeds! How is it possible? "IMPOSSIBLE!"

Is somebody kidding us?
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2016, 09:43:47 AM »
I can explain the differences. 8)

At first, the pilot was using a FE map, and then he realized it was taking him the wrong way. So, he changed his flight path to correlate with the round Earth maps. And problem solved!! He was back on track!
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2016, 09:47:47 AM »
We know google map isn't true and is a fiction.

On this matter we'll see how it has impossible lenghts.

This is san fransisco airport: https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Francisco+International+Airport/@37.6213171,-122.3811441,755m/data=

Image of San Francisco International Airport (SFO)

Click on the red point and right click to "measure distance". Put the measurement circle in the center of the red point shows the airport.

This is Shanghai Pudong International airport : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Shanghai+Pudong+International+Airport/@31.1430711,121.8045279,1154m/data=

Image of Shanghai Pudong International Airport (PVG)

Directly left click. The measurement emerged. Get the small circle to center of the airport's red point. What did you read? About: 9.876,7 km. If you see a number like this, Your measurement is  correct.

Now we need just a direct fly between these airports:

Click the link belove:

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES590/history/20160411/1900Z/KSFO/ZSPD

This is an Chinese flight:

Direct: 9.889 km    Planned: 10.367 km    Flew: 10.672 km

Flight track image

These direct distance is different from the map 12 km. Is it at all? No.

12 km is about 0,1% of nearly 10.000 km (using your convention that ',' is the decimal and '.' is the thousands separator). That's not bad, especially considering:

Google makes no claims as to the accuracy of the coordinates in Google Earth. These are provided for entertainment only and should not be used for any navigational or other purpose requiring any accuracy whatsoever.

The runways at both airports are more than 4,5 km long. How do you know the distances are measured from the same points? Is one distance geodetic (ellipsoidal) and the other spherical? If one or both are spherical, what did they use for the radius?

You're reading waaayyyyy too much into a tiny discrepancy when there are several unknowns with about the same magnitude.

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Look to planned and flew distances. It is so so different. Why?

They don't plan to fly the great-circle route for whatever reason. They flew a longer route than planned. It happens all the time, maybe to catch favorable winds, maybe to avoid weather, maybe to avoid air traffic. Who knows?

I'd worry more if the planned or actual distances were less than the great-circle distances, which are the shortest possible. Longer? They can't always take the shortest possible path.

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Choose another fly between these airports.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL857/history/20160411/2025Z/KSFO/ZSPD

This is an United Airline Flight.

Flight track image

Distances: Direct: 9.889 km    Planned: 10.207 km    Flew: 10.614 km

As you see that it is actually about 10.600 km, but shown on the map 9.877 km it is still wrong because direct distance is 9.889 km.

I hope you see the nonsences!

To Be Continued...

This is just silly.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2016, 01:14:31 PM »
We know google map isn't true and is a fiction.

On this matter we'll see how it has impossible lenghts.

This is san fransisco airport: https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Francisco+International+Airport/@37.6213171,-122.3811441,755m/data=

Image of San Francisco International Airport (SFO)

Click on the red point and right click to "measure distance". Put the measurement circle in the center of the red point shows the airport.

This is Shanghai Pudong International airport : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Shanghai+Pudong+International+Airport/@31.1430711,121.8045279,1154m/data=

Image of Shanghai Pudong International Airport (PVG)

Directly left click. The measurement emerged. Get the small circle to center of the airport's red point. What did you read? About: 9.876,7 km. If you see a number like this, Your measurement is  correct.

Now we need just a direct fly between these airports:

Click the link belove:

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES590/history/20160411/1900Z/KSFO/ZSPD

This is an Chinese flight:

Direct: 9.889 km    Planned: 10.367 km    Flew: 10.672 km

Flight track image

These direct distance is different from the map 12 km. Is it at all? No.

12 km is about 0,1% of nearly 10.000 km (using your convention that ',' is the decimal and '.' is the thousands separator). That's not bad, especially considering:

Google makes no claims as to the accuracy of the coordinates in Google Earth. These are provided for entertainment only and should not be used for any navigational or other purpose requiring any accuracy whatsoever.

The runways at both airports are more than 4,5 km long. How do you know the distances are measured from the same points? Is one distance geodetic (ellipsoidal) and the other spherical? If one or both are spherical, what did they use for the radius?

You're reading waaayyyyy too much into a tiny discrepancy when there are several unknowns with about the same magnitude.

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Look to planned and flew distances. It is so so different. Why?

They don't plan to fly the great-circle route for whatever reason. They flew a longer route than planned. It happens all the time, maybe to catch favorable winds, maybe to avoid weather, maybe to avoid air traffic. Who knows?

I'd worry more if the planned or actual distances were less than the great-circle distances, which are the shortest possible. Longer? They can't always take the shortest possible path.

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Choose another fly between these airports.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL857/history/20160411/2025Z/KSFO/ZSPD

This is an United Airline Flight.

Flight track image

Distances: Direct: 9.889 km    Planned: 10.207 km    Flew: 10.614 km

As you see that it is actually about 10.600 km, but shown on the map 9.877 km it is still wrong because direct distance is 9.889 km.

I hope you see the nonsences!

To Be Continued...

This is just silly.

In an other matter, another troll like you made an objection that why my map isin't same with the distances. I show %0,11 error as about 2 kilometres. So I'm saying that this map is fitting and forcing to convert something to something it don't have a shape. What is the reason for 12 kilometres direct error? Point to point. Why don't you fix it the true place? The answer is: it is already forced correction value.
It can not be more recovered because the globe map is totally a lie !
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2016, 05:27:28 PM »

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12 km is about 0,1% of nearly 10.000 km (using your convention that ',' is the decimal and '.' is the thousands separator). That's not bad, especially considering:

Google makes no claims as to the accuracy of the coordinates in Google Earth. These are provided for entertainment only and should not be used for any navigational or other purpose requiring any accuracy whatsoever.

The runways at both airports are more than 4,5 km long. How do you know the distances are measured from the same points? Is one distance geodetic (ellipsoidal) and the other spherical? If one or both are spherical, what did they use for the radius?

You're reading waaayyyyy too much into a tiny discrepancy when there are several unknowns with about the same magnitude.

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Look to planned and flew distances. It is so so different. Why?

They don't plan to fly the great-circle route for whatever reason. They flew a longer route than planned. It happens all the time, maybe to catch favorable winds, maybe to avoid weather, maybe to avoid air traffic. Who knows?

I'd worry more if the planned or actual distances were less than the great-circle distances, which are the shortest possible. Longer? They can't always take the shortest possible path.

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Choose another fly between these airports.

<snip>

This is just silly.

In an other matter, another troll like you

Thanks! I like you, too.

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made an objection that why my map isin't same with the distances. I show %0,11 error as about 2 kilometres.

Yeah... quite honestly, I'm still working out what you think is going on there, but haven't had time to check your figures.

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So I'm saying that this map is fitting and forcing to convert something to something it don't have a shape. What is the reason for 12 kilometres direct error?

I gave several possibilities in the reply you quoted. Why don't you try to address those. Point to point.

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Why don't you fix it the true place?

Because you're the one that is asserting those measurements correspond to the same locations. I guess that's a good place to start. Which points are the "Direct" distances measured from? Are those the same ones you used for your Google Maps distance measure? Show your sources.

After that, can you determine the technique used to calculate the "Direct" distance? Is it the same technique Google uses? Again, show your sources.

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The answer is: it is already forced correction value.
It can not be more recovered because the globe map is totally a lie !

I'm not sure what you mean, but that last part is just based on opinion and data with unknown provenance.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2016, 08:04:25 PM »
I just learned that Round Earth defenders go into denial mode overdrive when actual facts are thown their way not unlike Atheists when shown the holes in the Evolutionary (fallacy) process. But now you've gotten me curious about flight patterns and the like. I'll be looking into this.

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2016, 09:18:32 PM »
Oh, the irony!
Heiwa on the impossibility of space travel:

There are no toilets up there and sex is also a problem, just to mention a few difficulties.

WHEEEEEEEEEEE

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2016, 01:20:30 AM »
I don't writing for that the trolls read and answer me . I don't need to spend time for nonsence questions asked by some idiots!

 I'm Just writing for share my ideas with believers here.

I say that several times but trolls are insistently resisting to don't understand that!
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2016, 05:15:24 AM »
I don't writing for that the trolls read and answer me . I don't need to spend time for nonsence questions asked by some idiots!

 I'm Just writing for share my ideas with believers here.

I say that several times but trolls are insistently resisting to don't understand that!

There is your mistake. This is a flat Earth debate forum. This is where people debate the shape of the Earth. I don't know the word for debate in Turkish so maybe you still don't understand. If you want a place where you can spout your ignorant, insane, and incorrect ideas and everyone will love them, post in the flat Earth believers forum.

When you post here people are under the assumption you are interested in debating your ideas.

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2016, 02:18:49 PM »
I'm Just writing for share my ideas with believers here.

Honestly, this is a case of being close-minded. You spread your beliefs to the public, expecting them to follow you, but when someone writes a very great argument against your theory, you claim they're stupid.

In a short explanation, the "Flat Earth" Theory is just as broken as any other theory.
Even worse, your beliefs are created via religion, and yet you still try to back it up with Science.
That is completely impossible, as religion is based off of FAITH. It doesn't have to make sense.
Science is meant to explain things using tests and experiments.
But nevertheless, the majority of the FE community completely ignore any counterarguments coming from a Globe Earth believer, mainly by using "Ground" experiments. Not once have I seen any of you actually try to invest in creating a weather balloon, or try to exit the atmosphere, just because you think it's all fake.
Two words.
Complete Ignorance.

But no, you still wonder why people look down on the FE community. How about you actually listen to people for once? Not everyone believes in the same things. As Inkey stated, this is a debate forum. Not everyone believes in a Flat Earth/Globe Earth.

Come back when you're ready to have a real civilized conversation, without using vulgar words.

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2016, 02:42:31 PM »
There are many unnecessary trolls here . your take breath is a sin.

If you die suddenly and If you encounter suddenly to God. Is NASA, or CIA, Bagdaghdi can save you?

They bought you. Ok.  So who are you thinking to buy for get out of the hell.
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2016, 02:58:13 PM »
There are many unnecessary trolls here . your take breath is a sin.

If you die suddenly and If you encounter suddenly to God. Is NASA, or CIA, Bagdaghdi can save you?

They bought you. Ok.  So who are you thinking to buy for get out of the hell.

Nice way of using the lord as a way to threaten people. You're committing more sins than any of god's children I've met.
And for you information, all of my beliefs are made by my own observations, as I own a small weather balloon, and it has experienced a full vacuum before, at an altitude of about 80.45km up.
But no, use the lords word against us.
You are a disgrace to the Christian religion.
God loves anyone, no matter what they do.
Only once Satan takes control, is when God lets you go.
Believing in a Round Earth will not make you go to hell.
You are blinded by tin-foil-hat wearers, and I feel bad for you.

Either way, NASA is a dying organization.
and who the hell is Bagdaghdi? Some Arab?

PS: I live in Germany, I'm only in the US for classes, buddy.

Also, Keep using the Lord's name in vain.
We'll see who really goes to hell.

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2016, 06:47:25 PM »
I forgot OP can't watch videos but this explains the flight path from going to alaska.



Basically the map you are using OP is dishonest because its on a flat map instead if something like google earth and you're forgetting about weather conditions.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2016, 01:32:23 AM »
Some flew distances between same airports from Sydney to San Fransisco. (The links at the bottom.)

UAL 870 FLIGHTS From Sydney to San fransisco times between 2 April - 14 April 2016

(Ušulan: flew)

Ušulan: 12.169 km Gap= 206 kms (Direkt: 11.963 km )
Ušulan: 12.088 km  Gap=125 kms
Ušulan: 12.115 km Gap= 152 kms
Ušulan: 12.025 km Gap= 62 kms
Ušulan: 13.453 km Gap= 1490 kms
 Ušulan: 12.186 km Gap= 223 kms
Ušulan: 12.163 km Gap= 200 kms
Ušulan: 12.196 km Gap= 233 kms
Ušulan: 12.319 km Gap= 356 kms
Ušulan: 12.349 km Gap= 386 kms
Ušulan: 12.423 km Gap= 460 kms
Ušulan: 12.067 km Gap= 104 kms
Ušulan: 12.577 km Gap= 614 kms

Gap average= 367 kms. Ok.

Now we are looking the Q-satan the speed airlines. :D

Ušulan: 12.162 km Gap= 199 kms (Direkt: 11.963 km )
Ušulan: 12.156 km Gap= 193 kms
Ušulan: 12.154 km Gap= 191 kms
Ušulan: 12.237 km Gap= 274 kms
Ušulan: 12.150 km Gap= 187 kms
Ušulan: 12.158 km Gap= 195 kms
Ušulan: 12.184 km Gap= 221 kms
Ušulan: 12.132 km Gap= 169 kms
Ušulan: 12.871 km Gap= 908 kms
Ušulan: 12.221 km Gap= 258 kms

Gap Average = 279,5 kms.

This pilot is betten then the United Airlines pilot. He has 279,5 kms average gap between direct distances and flew distances.

Now we wonder that how much kilometre an airplane loosing his route because of maneuver and other facts.

I trust the China Airlines from beijing to new york. I controlled it many times that usually they have flying honestly.

The flyings got from here:

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA981/history/20160413/0500Z/ZBAA/KJFK

Direkt: 10.990 km

Oh bingo! This distance like from the flies Sydney to San fransisco. Is it a chance? No, i'm not believing to chance. :)

Ušulan: 11.966 km Gap= 976 kms (omg) :D
Ušulan: 11.570 km Gap= 580 kms
Ušulan: 11.653 km Gap= 663 kms
Ušulan: 11.320 km Gap= 330 kms
Ušulan: 11.654 km Gap= 664 kms
Ušulan: 11.659 km Gap= 669 kms
Ušulan: 11.846 km Gap= 856 kms
Ušulan: 11.627 km Gap= 637 kms
Ušulan: 11.612 km Gap= 622 kms
Ušulan: 11.653 km Gap= 663 kms
Ušulan: 11.635 km Gap= 645 kms
Ušulan: 11.862 km Gap= 872 kms

Gap average= 681 km (oh my goodness) :D

Is the  averaga  gap shows the chinan pylots are so bad; or the distance is very very false !

We need to look another fly between same cities beijing to New York.

This is an air china airplane too: CCA989

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA989/history/20160415/0100Z/ZBAA/KJFK (Direkt: 10.990 km )

Ušulan: 11.862 km Gap= 872 km
Ušulan: 11.618 km Gap= 628 km
Ušulan: 11.519 km Gap= 529 km
Ušulan: 11.635 km Gap= 645 km
Ušulan: 11.225 km Gap= 235 km
Ušulan: 11.617 km Gap= 627 km

Average Gap = 590 kms.

All of these results shows what?

To understand is, we should to "flat continental" like Europe. Actually the others are flat too but the distances fo wrong on the others. But on the Europe we know the distances are better then the others.

So.

We first to look a longest route we found that is From Moscow to Madrid. This is an Aeroflot 2500 AFL2500 flyings.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL2604/history/20160413/1515Z/UUEE/LEMD

The direct distance is (Direkt: 3.423 km)
Ušulan: 3.564 km Gap= 141
Ušulan: 3.666 km Gap= 243
Ušulan: 3.639 km Gap= 216
Ušulan: 3.612 km Gap= 189
Ušulan: 3.602 km Gap= 179
Ušulan: 3.576 km Gap= 153
Ušulan: 3.605 km Gap= 182
Ušulan: 3.569 km Gap= 146
Ušulan: 3.612 km Gap= 189

We got it.  ;D

Average Gap= 182 kms.

Is it because of Europe is on the true place on the map or causes by the distance is short.

Ok. We need a city on the Asia.

Madrid to Beijing direct distance is ... Oh. My. God. There is no fly between these two cities. whereas there are a lot of indirect flies between these cities.Look at that: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=LEMD&destination=ZBAA

There is only 10.000 kms distances but no direct fly.

I think Qantas (Qsatan) airlines forgot to organise there some flies. :D

Nevermind. At last i found a good distance from Beijing to Europe.

From Amsterdam to Beijing. Distance is (Direkt: 7.836 km) It is enought to compare with the other flyings. KLM AIRLINES.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM897/history/20160413/1535Z/EHAM/ZBAA

Ušulan: 8.037 km Gap= 201
Ušulan: 8.032 km Gap= 196
Ušulan: 8.061 km Gap= 225
Ušulan: 8.002 km Gap= 166
Ušulan: 8.017 km Gap= 181
Ušulan: 8.043 km Gap= 207
Ušulan: 8.019 km Gap= 183
Ušulan: 8.027 km Gap= 191
Ušulan: 8.009 km Gap= 173
Ušulan: 8.026 km Gap= 190
Ušulan: 8.030 km Gap= 194
Ušulan: 8.006 km Gap= 170
Ušulan: 8.013 km Gap= 177

Oh my god. Unbelievable.

Gap average= 188 kms. Its about %2,4 different from direct fly.

As a result we see that the distances are Asia and America are wrong; the globe map is wrong, the map between Australia and America is wrong, the distances are wrong. The distances from Asia to Europe are true.

I will continue on this working. I like it. I like to move it move it. Yeah like to move it!  ;D

UAL flights got from https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL870/history/20160414/0030Z/YSSY/KSFO
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2016, 10:32:46 AM »
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2016, 11:39:17 AM »
Lol, it looks like the 2D to 3D conversion they used works as well as the one on my 3D tv. It tries but you get some weird results sometimes.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2016, 02:44:54 PM »
Some flew distances between same airports from Sydney to San Fransisco. (The links at the bottom.)

UAL 870 FLIGHTS From Sydney to San fransisco times between 2 April - 14 April 2016

(Ušulan: flew)

Ušulan: 12.169 km Gap= 206 kms (Direkt: 11.963 km )
Ušulan: 12.088 km  Gap=125 kms
Ušulan: 12.115 km Gap= 152 kms
Ušulan: 12.025 km Gap= 62 kms
Ušulan: 13.453 km Gap= 1490 kms
 Ušulan: 12.186 km Gap= 223 kms
Ušulan: 12.163 km Gap= 200 kms
Ušulan: 12.196 km Gap= 233 kms
Ušulan: 12.319 km Gap= 356 kms
Ušulan: 12.349 km Gap= 386 kms
Ušulan: 12.423 km Gap= 460 kms
Ušulan: 12.067 km Gap= 104 kms
Ušulan: 12.577 km Gap= 614 kms

Gap average= 367 kms. Ok.
I get an average (mean) of 355 km. Whatever. s = standard deviation = 360 km!

If you discard the two outliers, 62 km and 1490 km, the mean is 278 km and s = 150.6 km, a much more reasonable value. The new average is quite close to the one below, too.

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Now we are looking the Q-satan the speed airlines. :D

Ušulan: 12.162 km Gap= 199 kms (Direkt: 11.963 km )
Ušulan: 12.156 km Gap= 193 kms
Ušulan: 12.154 km Gap= 191 kms
Ušulan: 12.237 km Gap= 274 kms
Ušulan: 12.150 km Gap= 187 kms
Ušulan: 12.158 km Gap= 195 kms
Ušulan: 12.184 km Gap= 221 kms
Ušulan: 12.132 km Gap= 169 kms
Ušulan: 12.871 km Gap= 908 kms
Ušulan: 12.221 km Gap= 258 kms

Gap Average = 279,5 kms.
I also get 279.5 as the average, so at least that's good. s = 211.8085 km

Drop the highest and lowest, 908 km and 169 km, and the average is 214.75 and s= 31.4 km.

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This pilot is betten then the United Airlines pilot. He has 279,5 kms average gap between direct distances and flew distances.
The UAL statistics are plagued by that 1490 km anomaly; drop that and they're pretty similar.

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Now we wonder that how much kilometre an airplane loosing his route because of maneuver and other facts.

I trust the China Airlines from beijing to new york. I controlled it many times that usually they have flying honestly.
Are you sure you mean "controlled?" That suggests you are either a pilot or an air-traffic controller, both of which I really doubt. I'm guessing you are trying to say you were a passenger.

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The flyings got from here:

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA981/history/20160413/0500Z/ZBAA/KJFK

Direkt: 10.990 km
You need to be comparing the flown distances with the planned distances, not the ideal distances.

Direct: 10,990 km    Planned: 11,463 km

Difference: 473 km

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Oh bingo! This distance like from the flies Sydney to San fransisco. Is it a chance? No, i'm not believing to chance. :)

Ušulan: 11.966 km Gap= 976 kms (omg) :D
Ušulan: 11.570 km Gap= 580 kms
<more numbers>
Ušulan: 11.635 km Gap= 645 kms
Ušulan: 11.862 km Gap= 872 kms

Gap average= 681 km (oh my goodness) :D
681 km - 473 km = 209 km (assuming 473 km is typical)

209 km / 11,463 km = 1.82%

Where's the problem?

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Is the  averaga  gap shows the chinan pylots are so bad; or the distance is very very false !

We need to look another fly between same cities beijing to New York.

This is an air china airplane too: CCA989

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA989/history/20160415/0100Z/ZBAA/KJFK (Direkt: 10.990 km )

Ušulan: 11.862 km Gap= 872 km
Ušulan: 11.618 km Gap= 628 km
<yet more numbers>
Ušulan: 11.617 km Gap= 627 km

Average Gap = 590 kms.

All of these results shows what?

To understand is, we should to "flat continental" like Europe. Actually the others are flat too but the distances fo wrong on the others. But on the Europe we know the distances are better then the others.

So.

We first to look a longest route we found that is From Moscow to Madrid. This is an Aeroflot 2500 AFL2500 flyings.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL2604/history/20160413/1515Z/UUEE/LEMD

The direct distance is (Direkt: 3.423 km)
Ušulan: 3.564 km Gap= 141
Ušulan: 3.666 km Gap= 243
<even more numbers>
Ušulan: 3.569 km Gap= 146
Ušulan: 3.612 km Gap= 189

We got it.  ;D

Average Gap= 182 kms.

Is it because of Europe is on the true place on the map or causes by the distance is short.
590/10990 = 5.4%
182/3423 = 5.3%

The distances vary less because the flights within Europe are shorter. They're shorter because Europe is small compared with the Pacific Ocean and North America.

C'mon, İntikam. You're getting so lost in meaningless details that you're missing the obvious.

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Ok. We need a city on the Asia.

Madrid to Beijing direct distance is ... Oh. My. God. There is no fly between these two cities. whereas there are a lot of indirect flies between these cities.Look at that: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=LEMD&destination=ZBAA

There is only 10.000 kms distances but no direct fly.

I think Qantas (Qsatan) airlines forgot to organise there some flies. :D

[ ::) ]

Nevermind. At last i found a good distance from Beijing to Europe.

From Amsterdam to Beijing. Distance is (Direkt: 7.836 km) It is enought to compare with the other flyings. KLM AIRLINES.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM897/history/20160413/1535Z/EHAM/ZBAA

Ušulan: 8.037 km Gap= 201
Ušulan: 8.032 km Gap= 196
<still more numbers>
Ušulan: 8.006 km Gap= 170
Ušulan: 8.013 km Gap= 177

Oh my god. Unbelievable.

Gap average= 188 kms. Its about %2,4 different from direct fly.
The planned route is 2 km shorter than the "direct" route. That kind of makes you wonder if those locations are somewhat vague.

At any rate, 2.4% from planned is not as good as the 1.82% from planned between Sydney and SFO.

By the way, since Peking is south of Amsterdam, did you ever wonder why they start out going northeast from Amsterdam instead of east-southeast?



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As a result we see that the distances are Asia and America are wrong; the globe map is wrong, the map between Australia and America is wrong, the distances are wrong. The distances from Asia to Europe are true.
More likely, since you're making meaningless comparisons, you're arriving at meaningless conclusions.

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I will continue on this working. I like it. I like to move it move it. Yeah like to move it!  ;D

UAL flights got from https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL870/history/20160414/0030Z/YSSY/KSFO
Q-satan flights got from https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA73/history/20160413/0300Z/YSSY/KSFO
Those two tracks are quite different. All you're finding is that the route will vary from day to day, most likely due to weather or other atmospheric conditions. Knock yourself out, though!

[Edit] typos
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2016, 11:28:50 PM »
Some flew distances between same airports from Sydney to San Fransisco. (The links at the bottom.)

UAL 870 FLIGHTS From Sydney to San fransisco times between 2 April - 14 April 2016

(Ušulan: flew)

Ušulan: 12.169 km Gap= 206 kms (Direkt: 11.963 km )
Ušulan: 12.088 km  Gap=125 kms
Ušulan: 12.115 km Gap= 152 kms
Ušulan: 12.025 km Gap= 62 kms
Ušulan: 13.453 km Gap= 1490 kms
 Ušulan: 12.186 km Gap= 223 kms
Ušulan: 12.163 km Gap= 200 kms
Ušulan: 12.196 km Gap= 233 kms
Ušulan: 12.319 km Gap= 356 kms
Ušulan: 12.349 km Gap= 386 kms
Ušulan: 12.423 km Gap= 460 kms
Ušulan: 12.067 km Gap= 104 kms
Ušulan: 12.577 km Gap= 614 kms

Gap average= 367 kms. Ok.
I get an average (mean) of 355 km. Whatever. s = standard deviation = 360 km!

If you discard the two outliers, 62 km and 1490 km, the mean is 278 km and s = 150.6 km, a much more reasonable value. The new average is quite close to the one below, too.

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Now we are looking the Q-satan the speed airlines. :D

Ušulan: 12.162 km Gap= 199 kms (Direkt: 11.963 km )
Ušulan: 12.156 km Gap= 193 kms
Ušulan: 12.154 km Gap= 191 kms
Ušulan: 12.237 km Gap= 274 kms
Ušulan: 12.150 km Gap= 187 kms
Ušulan: 12.158 km Gap= 195 kms
Ušulan: 12.184 km Gap= 221 kms
Ušulan: 12.132 km Gap= 169 kms
Ušulan: 12.871 km Gap= 908 kms
Ušulan: 12.221 km Gap= 258 kms

Gap Average = 279,5 kms.
I also get 279.5 as the average, so at least that's good. s = 211.8085 km

Drop the highest and lowest, 908 km and 169 km, and the average is 214.75 and s= 31.4 km.

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This pilot is betten then the United Airlines pilot. He has 279,5 kms average gap between direct distances and flew distances.
The UAL statistics are plagued by that 1490 km anomaly; drop that and they're pretty similar.

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Now we wonder that how much kilometre an airplane loosing his route because of maneuver and other facts.

I trust the China Airlines from beijing to new york. I controlled it many times that usually they have flying honestly.
Are you sure you mean "controlled?" That suggests you are either a pilot or an air-traffic controller, both of which I really doubt. I'm guessing you are trying to say you were a passenger.

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The flyings got from here:

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA981/history/20160413/0500Z/ZBAA/KJFK

Direkt: 10.990 km
You need to be comparing the flown distances with the planned distances, not the ideal distances.

Direct: 10,990 km    Planned: 11,463 km

Difference: 473 km

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Oh bingo! This distance like from the flies Sydney to San fransisco. Is it a chance? No, i'm not believing to chance. :)

Ušulan: 11.966 km Gap= 976 kms (omg) :D
Ušulan: 11.570 km Gap= 580 kms
<more numbers>
Ušulan: 11.635 km Gap= 645 kms
Ušulan: 11.862 km Gap= 872 kms

Gap average= 681 km (oh my goodness) :D
681 km - 473 km = 209 km (assuming 473 km is typical)

209 km / 11,463 km = 1.82%

Where's the problem?

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Is the  averaga  gap shows the chinan pylots are so bad; or the distance is very very false !

We need to look another fly between same cities beijing to New York.

This is an air china airplane too: CCA989

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA989/history/20160415/0100Z/ZBAA/KJFK (Direkt: 10.990 km )

Ušulan: 11.862 km Gap= 872 km
Ušulan: 11.618 km Gap= 628 km
<yet more numbers>
Ušulan: 11.617 km Gap= 627 km

Average Gap = 590 kms.

All of these results shows what?

To understand is, we should to "flat continental" like Europe. Actually the others are flat too but the distances fo wrong on the others. But on the Europe we know the distances are better then the others.

So.

We first to look a longest route we found that is From Moscow to Madrid. This is an Aeroflot 2500 AFL2500 flyings.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFL2604/history/20160413/1515Z/UUEE/LEMD

The direct distance is (Direkt: 3.423 km)
Ušulan: 3.564 km Gap= 141
Ušulan: 3.666 km Gap= 243
<even more numbers>
Ušulan: 3.569 km Gap= 146
Ušulan: 3.612 km Gap= 189

We got it.  ;D

Average Gap= 182 kms.

Is it because of Europe is on the true place on the map or causes by the distance is short.
590/10990 = 5.4%
182/3423 = 5.3%

The distances vary less because the flights within Europe are shorter. They're shorter because Europe is small compared with the Pacific Ocean and North America.

C'mon, İntikam. You're getting so lost in meaningless details that you're missing the obvious.

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Ok. We need a city on the Asia.

Madrid to Beijing direct distance is ... Oh. My. God. There is no fly between these two cities. whereas there are a lot of indirect flies between these cities.Look at that: https://tr.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=LEMD&destination=ZBAA

There is only 10.000 kms distances but no direct fly.

I think Qantas (Qsatan) airlines forgot to organise there some flies. :D

[ ::) ]

Nevermind. At last i found a good distance from Beijing to Europe.

From Amsterdam to Beijing. Distance is (Direkt: 7.836 km) It is enought to compare with the other flyings. KLM AIRLINES.

https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM897/history/20160413/1535Z/EHAM/ZBAA

Ušulan: 8.037 km Gap= 201
Ušulan: 8.032 km Gap= 196
<still more numbers>
Ušulan: 8.006 km Gap= 170
Ušulan: 8.013 km Gap= 177

Oh my god. Unbelievable.

Gap average= 188 kms. Its about %2,4 different from direct fly.
The planned route is 2 km shorter than the "direct" route. That kind of makes you wonder if those locations are somewhat vague.

At any rate, 2.4% from planned is not as good as the 1.82% from planned between Sydney and SFO.

By the way, since Peking is south of Amsterdam, did you ever wonder why they start out going northeast from Amsterdam instead of east-southeast?



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As a result we see that the distances are Asia and America are wrong; the globe map is wrong, the map between Australia and America is wrong, the distances are wrong. The distances from Asia to Europe are true.
More likely, since you're making meaningless comparisons, you're arriving at meaningless conclusions.

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I will continue on this working. I like it. I like to move it move it. Yeah like to move it!  ;D

UAL flights got from https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL870/history/20160414/0030Z/YSSY/KSFO
Q-satan flights got from https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA73/history/20160413/0300Z/YSSY/KSFO
Those two tracks are quite different. All you're finding is that the route will vary from day to day, most likely due to weather or other atmospheric conditions. Knock yourself out, though!

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You are just kidding me.

Gap average between from beijing to new york is 681 km / direct 10.990 km = % 6,2 (about) the difference between reality and your map.
Gap average between from beijing to amsterdam is 188 km / direct 7.836 km = %2,3 (about) the difference between reality and your map.

Is these meaningless? If you really think like these, so you have a problem to understanding.

As before i said, I'll continue this measurements to find all of the real distances all over the world . So I wonder where will you flee.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2016, 12:29:45 PM »
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https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA989/history/20160415/0100Z/ZBAA/KJFK (Direkt: 10.990 km )
...
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM897/history/20160413/1535Z/EHAM/ZBAA
...

You are just kidding me.

Gap average between from beijing to new york is 681 km / direct 10.990 km = % 6,2 (about) the difference between reality and your map.
Gap average between from beijing to amsterdam is 188 km / direct 7.836 km = %2,3 (about) the difference between reality and your map.

Is these meaningless?
Yes. This comparison is meaningless.

PEK-JFK: Direct: 10,990 km    Planned: 11,463 km    Flown: 11,596 km

11,596 km - 11,463 km = 133 km
133 km / 11463 km = 1.2%

For whatever reason, the planned route is not the great-circle route, so it's longer. If you want to know why it was planned this way, ask them. The route flown is very close to the planned route in length.

AMS-PEK: Direct: 7,836 km    Planned: 7,834 km    Flown: 8,037 km

This flight's planned route is the great-circle route[nb]Actually, it's a tiny bit shorter, which means they're can't be using the exact same end points or they're using a different method to determine the distance.[/nb].

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If you really think like these, so you have a problem to understanding.
I'm not the one with the problem understanding.

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As before i said, I'll continue this measurements to find all of the real distances all over the world . So I wonder where will you flee.
As I said before... knock yourself out. If you keep making useless conclusions from meaningless data I'll show you what's wrong.

In the meantime, you never answered this:

By the way, since Peking is south of Amsterdam, did you ever wonder why they start out going northeast from Amsterdam instead of east-southeast?



... or any of the other questions in the post that came from, but I'd really like to hear your explanation for this.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2016, 01:29:24 PM »
The most hilarious thing about all this is that he seems to think that, when traveling, no one ever has to alter their route from a planned route.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2016, 02:04:14 PM »
The most hilarious thing about all this is that he seems to think that, when traveling, no one ever has to alter their route from a planned route.

Or that sometimes a longer route has to be planned in the first place.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2016, 06:48:29 AM »
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https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA989/history/20160415/0100Z/ZBAA/KJFK (Direkt: 10.990 km )
...
https://tr.flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM897/history/20160413/1535Z/EHAM/ZBAA
...

You are just kidding me.

Gap average between from beijing to new york is 681 km / direct 10.990 km = % 6,2 (about) the difference between reality and your map.
Gap average between from beijing to amsterdam is 188 km / direct 7.836 km = %2,3 (about) the difference between reality and your map.

Is these meaningless?
Yes. This comparison is meaningless.

PEK-JFK: Direct: 10,990 km    Planned: 11,463 km    Flown: 11,596 km

11,596 km - 11,463 km = 133 km
133 km / 11463 km = 1.2%

For whatever reason, the planned route is not the great-circle route, so it's longer. If you want to know why it was planned this way, ask them. The route flown is very close to the planned route in length.

AMS-PEK: Direct: 7,836 km    Planned: 7,834 km    Flown: 8,037 km

This flight's planned route is the great-circle route[nb]Actually, it's a tiny bit shorter, which means they're can't be using the exact same end points or they're using a different method to determine the distance.[/nb].

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If you really think like these, so you have a problem to understanding.
I'm not the one with the problem understanding.

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As before i said, I'll continue this measurements to find all of the real distances all over the world . So I wonder where will you flee.
As I said before... knock yourself out. If you keep making useless conclusions from meaningless data I'll show you what's wrong.

In the meantime, you never answered this:

By the way, since Peking is south of Amsterdam, did you ever wonder why they start out going northeast from Amsterdam instead of east-southeast?



... or any of the other questions in the post that came from, but I'd really like to hear your explanation for this.

I know what is planned route. But sometimes the plane going shorter or longer distance. These averaged error reduces each other.

Anyway. The planned routes are not useful.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2016, 07:43:31 AM »
So how does a direct flight between New Zealand and Buenos Aires measure up between globe distances and fe distances?

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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2016, 08:52:22 AM »
I don't writing for that the trolls read and answer me . I don't need to spend time for nonsence questions asked by some idiots!

 I'm Just writing for share my ideas with believers here.

I say that several times but trolls are insistently resisting to don't understand that!

Are YOU a pilot? From your posts and your use of English I'd say you are not.

YOU asked the question and presented your "proof" then get your panties in wad when your proof are shown to be completely  and without question, WRONG.

I AM a pilot and the same distance problems apply to the private pilot as to those pushing the heavy iron around the sky.

Weather, winds aloft, other traffic, all kinds of reasons for the taking a doglegged route and adding on distance.

When YOU get your pilot License then come back and tell me where I am wrong. Until then, you might try and listen to answers given by people who know what the are talking about.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2016, 09:14:37 AM »
I know what is planned route. But sometimes the plane going shorter or longer distance. These averaged error reduces each other.

The actual flight might be longer (or, possibly occasionally, shorter) than the planned route due to actual conditions. It's never going to be shorter than the great circle route connecting the departure and arrival points.

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Anyway. The planned routes are not useful.

Really?

"I know what is planned route." No, it doesn't seem like you do.

Have you come up with a reason why the route from Amsterdam to Peking leaves Amsterdam going northeast instead of south of east yet? Peking is south of Amsterdam. I'm still waiting for that one.
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Re: Google maps absurdity
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2016, 12:11:57 PM »
My question to Intikam is if the earth is flat why fly form Los Angeles CA to Japan then to Thailand, when the FE model says it is shorter to fly up the California coast over Alaska, Siberia, China, Vietnam, Laos, then into Bangkok Thailand?
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