# Europe Is Completely Flat !

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#### wise

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##### Europe Is Completely Flat !
« on: April 07, 2016, 01:09:26 AM »
Hello Mister good guys and mister Nasa trolls.

Today we see "the europe is flat", and "the europe isn't a part of a sphere" with geometric and mathematical ways. (100 %scientific)

First we need some materyals to calculate.

First we look the site which shows directly fliying routes https://tr.flightaware.com.

And the second site shows us what the measure of the distances between the cities for the sphere earth map. https://www.distance.to You can check the values on the distance.to with calculate it by google map. i got it and see as they are same.

We need an autocad program and a little microsoft excel.

So we'll creating a 2d model map to shows the distances depending on flying routes. If the world is a sphere, even if you receive the value is true  first, subsequently take off the map is very inaccurate. But we will fit the values to a 2d drawing and compare with the sphere earth model.

The way we draw:

We are drawing circles that have the value of the flying distances of the cities. And the intersection points show us the place of the next city as you see on the draw.

I calculated it for 5 cities in Europa. Paris as North West, Madrid as South West, Moscow as North East, Istanbul as South east and the Wien as the center of Europe.

we arrive at this shape:

This is a map everyone can draw or check is it true or not. Or as you see that it is drawn by the program of autocad.

This excel file shows the results and whats happened:

The error value of the flat earth map is %0,3 is  lower then the value of the mathematic error limit %0,5. ( %0,3 < %0,5)
The error value of the sphere earth map %0,8 is  higher then the value of the mathematic error limit %0,5. (%0,8 > %0,5)

So the europe is flat.
So the europe isn't a sphere. Accept or not but this is pure science!

Now you throw the first stone the person who has gain the maximum salary from NASA.
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#### Inkey

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2016, 04:41:19 AM »
Updating with compare flat earth vs sphere earth values with flying distances.

No it is not. Updating with compare WGS 84 datum.

#### wise

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2016, 04:42:58 AM »
Updated baby updated. don't cry.

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2016, 07:50:09 AM »
Hello Mister good guys and mister Nasa trolls.

Today we see "the europe is flat", and "the europe isn't a part of a sphere" with geometric and mathematical ways. (100 %scientific)

First we need some materyals to calculate.

First we look the site which shows directly fliying routes https://tr.flightaware.com.

And the second site shows us what the measure of the distances between the cities for the sphere earth map. https://www.distance.to You can check the values on the distance.to with calculate it by google map. i got it and see as they are same.

We need an autocad program and a little microsoft excel.

So we'll creating a 2d model map to shows the distances depending on flying routes. If the world is a sphere, even if you receive the value is true  first, subsequently take off the map is very inaccurate. But we will fit the values to a 2d drawing and compare with the sphere earth model.

The way we draw:

We are drawing circles that have the value of the flying distances of the cities. And the intersection points show us the place of the next city as you see on the draw.

I calculated it for 5 cities in Europa. Paris as North West, Madrid as South West, Moscow as North East, Istanbul as South east and the Wien as the center of Europe.

we arrive at this shape:

This is a map everyone can draw or check is it true or not. Or as you see that it is drawn by the program of autocad.

This excel file shows the results and whats happened:

The error value of the flat earth map is %0,3 is  lower then the value of the mathematic error limit %0,5. ( %0,3 < %0,5)
The error value of the sphere earth map %0,8 is  higher then the value of the mathematic error limit %0,5. (%0,8 > %0,5)

So the europe is flat.
So the europe isn't a sphere. Accept or not but this is pure science!

Now you throw the first stone the person who has gain the maximum salary from NASA.

For some reason your drawings don't show up on my computer. Is this the same for others or is it just my computer? I'd love to see your work.
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
George Orwell

#### wise

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2016, 08:02:37 AM »

For some reason your drawings don't show up on my computer. Is this the same for others or is it just my computer? I'd love to see your work.

I predict this one could be a problem . I uploaded pictures to a different site. thank you.
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#### aratrum

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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2016, 10:25:08 AM »
Greetings, İntikam. I like your research! This forum would be a better place if everyone backed up their claims as much as you do.

However, I suspected a source of error in your dataset: the international airports are not usually in the very centres of their cities. So I used Google Earth to measure round-earth distances between the following airports:

Atatürk, Istanbul
Vnukovo, Moscow
Schwechat, Vienna
Charles de Gaulle, Paris

The round-earth distances were as follows (in km):

Istanbul-Moscow1739.37
Istanbul-Vienna   1252.16
Istanbul-Paris   2240.40
Moscow-Vienna   1641.35
Moscow-Paris   2449.52
Vienna-Paris   1036.52

Compared with the reported flying distances:

Istanbul-Moscow1734.00 -> error 5.27  -> 0.30%
Istanbul-Madrid   2717.00 -> error 3.46  -> 0.13%
Istanbul-Vienna   1253.00 -> error 0.84  -> 0.06%
Istanbul-Paris   2239.00 -> error 1.40  -> 0.06%
Moscow-Madrid   3423.00 -> error 13.54 -> 0.40%
Moscow-Vienna   1664.00 -> error 22.65 -> 1.36%
Moscow-Paris   2456.00 -> error 6.48  -> 0.26%
Vienna-Paris   1036.00 -> error 0.52  -> 0.05%
Vienna-Madrid   1807.00 -> error 2.86  -> 0.16%
Paris-Madrid   1064.00 -> error 0.62  -> 0.06%
Average error: 0.278

Would you tell me how to obtain the flat-earth distances between these airports? Then I could calculate the exact error values for the flat earth model, and compare the two fairly.

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2016, 03:13:50 PM »
Greetings, İntikam. I like your research! This forum would be a better place if everyone backed up their claims as much as you do.

However, I suspected a source of error in your dataset: the international airports are not usually in the very centres of their cities. So I used Google Earth to measure round-earth distances between the following airports:

Atatürk, Istanbul
Vnukovo, Moscow
Schwechat, Vienna
Charles de Gaulle, Paris

The round-earth distances were as follows (in km):

Istanbul-Moscow1739.37
Istanbul-Vienna   1252.16
Istanbul-Paris   2240.40
Moscow-Vienna   1641.35
Moscow-Paris   2449.52
Vienna-Paris   1036.52

Compared with the reported flying distances:

Istanbul-Moscow1734.00 -> error 5.27  -> 0.30%
Istanbul-Madrid   2717.00 -> error 3.46  -> 0.13%
Istanbul-Vienna   1253.00 -> error 0.84  -> 0.06%
Istanbul-Paris   2239.00 -> error 1.40  -> 0.06%
Moscow-Madrid   3423.00 -> error 13.54 -> 0.40%
Moscow-Vienna   1664.00 -> error 22.65 -> 1.36%
Moscow-Paris   2456.00 -> error 6.48  -> 0.26%
Vienna-Paris   1036.00 -> error 0.52  -> 0.05%
Vienna-Madrid   1807.00 -> error 2.86  -> 0.16%
Paris-Madrid   1064.00 -> error 0.62  -> 0.06%
Average error: 0.278

Would you tell me how to obtain the flat-earth distances between these airports? Then I could calculate the exact error values for the flat earth model, and compare the two fairly.

I'm sorry but you are making big mistakes.

I'm not sure why do you do that. Because you hava just 1 entry and i'm not sure are you trolling me or not.

I will respond severely . I will put your errors by clearly. After that if you continue your objection, then i'll believe you are trolling me.

I am acting in accordance with my principles. I will  pre-accept you as honest. if you do not treat me honestly , i understand it. Then i'll talk you as you as a troll. I'm sorry but there are a lot trolls here.

I gave you an adress for look the distances. I think you didnot use it. First we look from it. http://tr.distance.to

Type Istanbul to moscow
http://tr.distance.to/Istanbul/moscow
Value: 1755,94
What i wrote there. Look it: 1755,94
What did you type there? 1739,37

We do not calculate the distance between the air spaces. This is a different working. Our goal is to find the actual length between the cities. The length of the airline lenght will affect the result in large errors will occur in your calculating. I do not deal care with it.

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#### MrDebunk

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2016, 07:34:42 PM »
Are you trying to show FEers their flaws? Then I am with you

Because these people love to have flaws in their equations and things like that
M R D E B U N K (the reboot)

Quote from: totallackofintelligence
You sound like shill.

#### wise

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2016, 10:54:01 PM »
MrDebunk as all of we know that you are a NASA-ISIS troll !

You are not a human. All of you are completely a lie.

This is ISIS money is supporting to sphere earth like you.

Because NASA trolls, ISIS trolls, Erdoghan trolls and CIA trolls, al qaida terrorists, ISIS terrorists; all of you are same men!

You are the brothers that sons of the satan!

You are defending that some muslims supporting to flat earth? How is it possible when i open a matter about the flat earth on an islamic site, moderators are immediately close it.

http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%9CNYA-D%C3%9CZ-VE-D%C3%96NM%C3%9CYOR (the earth is flat and is'nt spinning) - CLOSED because of been opposite to islamic theories.
http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%BCnyan%C4%B1n-d%C3%BCz-olmas%C4%B1ndan-rahats%C4%B1z-olan-m%C3%BCsl%C3%BCmanlar (The men who BOTHER from the earth is flat) - Immedietly CLOSED
http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%9CNYANIN-D%C3%9CZ-OLDU%C4%9EUNU-2-G%C3%96RSELLE-KANITLIYORUM (I prove the flat earth with 2 images)  Immedietly CLOSED

But you are still defending the radikal muslims supporting flat earth. No one of them do that, but you are a 100% idiot.  You are a perception operator that earning salary from ISIS petrol, human truncated heads, and a bit carrion.

You are here just for provocation. I don't understand why the administration allow the carrions like you.
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#### aratrum

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2016, 02:23:46 AM »
I'm sorry but you are making big mistakes.

I'm not sure why do you do that. Because you hava just 1 entry and i'm not sure are you trolling me or not.

I will respond severely . I will put your errors by clearly. After that if you continue your objection, then i'll believe you are trolling me.

I am acting in accordance with my principles. I will  pre-accept you as honest. if you do not treat me honestly , i understand it. Then i'll talk you as you as a troll. I'm sorry but there are a lot trolls here.

I gave you an adress for look the distances. I think you didnot use it. First we look from it. http://tr.distance.to

Type Istanbul to moscow
http://tr.distance.to/Istanbul/moscow
Value: 1755,94
What i wrote there. Look it: 1755,94
What did you type there? 1739,37

We do not calculate the distance between the air spaces. This is a different working. Our goal is to find the actual length between the cities. The length of the airline lenght will affect the result in large errors will occur in your calculating. I do not deal care with it.
Sorry, İntikam. I see your objection.
Of course I should use the same set of points for both models. Adding the airports is just conjecture because it is not justified by the sources themselves.

Still, you see, this is all I can do for now. If I knew how to calculate flat-earth distance between any two points, I could get much more accurate results. How do you get your flat-earth distances? Do you model the Earth as a circle where a place's lognitude means its rotation around the centre, and abs(latitude-90) its distance from it? Please, I'd love to use your method.

Another thing: By my understanding, you're taking the flight lengths as true and correct. This is fine by me, I just want your confirmation of it.

Third: cities are large, typically several km to an edge. How do you know that tr.distance.to uses the same precise points as flightaware? If it doesn't, that error can already be one percent of a 1000-km flight.

My apologies if some of this comes across as harsh. Rest assured I sincerely wish to cooperate in a friendly manner.
(I've been visiting this forum for some months now, and your post just happened to be very interesting. That's why I registered. One does not usually see mathematical reasoning here.)

#### wise

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2016, 04:20:46 AM »

Another thing: By my understanding, you're taking the flight lengths as true and correct. This is fine by me, I just want your confirmation of it.

You understand by this way is true.

I got the measures from flying distances.

The next working i'll use for flat earth modelling buy gettin the flying distances again, but for globe earth i'll get the distances from airport to airport lenght.

I'm going to make it suitable to your logic now.

Perhaps i can't finish it today because there are a few hours to holiday here and i'm not working about FE at the weekend because of my home computer hasn't a licenced autocad.

But i'm trying to do it now.

See you later, probably next week.

Notice: As you see that there are some trolls here and doing provocation on the matters, i hope you understand why may i acting as skeptical.

Notice 2:

You are still doing mistakes. The distance on the google map from ataturk, istanbul to vnukovo, moscow isn't 1739.37 km. i'm now measuring it from point to point: 1738,50 km.
So use only the exactly same method like me. point to point which point shown by google map.
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#### wise

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2016, 04:53:26 AM »
I'm upgrading the map by using this distances from the airport distances on google map, point to point.

ISTANBUL, ATATURK   MOSCOW, VNOKOVO   1.738,50
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Schwechat, Vienna    1.250,56
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Charles de Gaulle, Paris    2.235,10
MOSCOW, VNOKOVO   Schwechat, Vienna    1.638,25
MOSCOW, VNOKOVO   Charles de Gaulle, Paris    2.442,67
Schwechat, Vienna    Charles de Gaulle, Paris    1.034,90
Charles de Gaulle, Paris    Barajas, Madrid    1.063,12

Control and correct them. I'll transfer them to an 2d  map and create my own 2d europe map. Normally you cant transfer them to an 2d map because they are on 3d map, but as you will see that i'll do that.  then i will compare them all to flying distances. Is it okey or not?

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#### Ecthelion

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2016, 05:00:46 AM »
Control and correct them. I'll transfer them to an 2d  map and create my own 2d europe map. Normally you cant transfer them to an 2d map because they are on 3d map, but as you will see that i'll do that.  then i will compare them all to flying distances. Is it okey or not?

So, you take the distances from a 3D map, and compare them to (calculated?) flight distances. What do you intend to prove by doing that?
What does the extra step of making a map first accomplish, if you don't actually use that map in the calculation?

#### wise

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2016, 05:05:23 AM »
Control and correct them. I'll transfer them to an 2d  map and create my own 2d europe map. Normally you cant transfer them to an 2d map because they are on 3d map, but as you will see that i'll do that.  then i will compare them all to flying distances. Is it okey or not?

So, you take the distances from a 3D map, and compare them to (calculated?) flight distances. What do you intend to prove by doing that?
What does the extra step of making a map first accomplish, if you don't actually use that map in the calculation?

Sorry after i post the message i see i dont need it.

FLYING DISTANCES   SPHERE EARTH DISTANCES   ERROR +-      FLAT EARTH DISTANCES   ERROR +-
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   MOSCOW, VNOKOVO   1.734,00   1.738,50   4,50   1.734,00   1.733,57   0,43
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Barajas, Madrid    2.717,00   2.712,98   4,02   2.708,96   2.727,63   10,63
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Schwechat, Vienna    1.253,00   1.250,56   2,44   1.248,12   1.253,52   0,52
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Charles de Gaulle, Paris    2.239,00   2.235,10   3,90   2.231,20   2.239,00   0,00
MOSCOW, VNOKOVO   Barajas, Madrid    3.423,00   3.402,01   20,99   3.381,02   3.416,16   6,84
MOSCOW, VNOKOVO   Schwechat, Vienna    1.664,00   1.638,25   25,75   1.612,50   1.664,00   0,00
MOSCOW, VNOKOVO   Charles de Gaulle, Paris    2.456,00   2.442,67   13,33   2.429,34   2.454,37   1,63
Schwechat, Vienna    Charles de Gaulle, Paris    1.036,00   1.034,90   1,10   1.033,80   1.025,99   10,01
Schwechat, Vienna    Barajas, Madrid    1.807,00   1.805,57   1,43   1.804,14   1.792,11   14,89
Charles de Gaulle, Paris    Barajas, Madrid    1.064,00   1.063,12   0,88   1.062,24   1.071,63   7,63
2.020,34
7,83      AVERAGE ERRORS    5,26
AVERAGE DISTANCES   1932,366         1937,798
AVERAGE ERRORS  (%)   0,0041   1,0455   AVERAGE ERRORS  (%)   0,0027

As a result the new "globe earth" values make it %0,41 (0,004)
The flat earth error value is %0,27 (0,003)

The flat earth model is still more accurate.

(0,0027 < 0,0041)
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#### Ecthelion

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2016, 05:09:54 AM »

As a result the new "globe earth" values make it %0,41 (0,004)
The flat earth error value is %0,27 (0,003)

The flat earth mode is still more accurate.

Sorry, but I haven't quite understood how you get the flat earth distances. Could you try to explain again in other words?

#### wise

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2016, 05:12:00 AM »

As a result the new "globe earth" values make it %0,41 (0,004)
The flat earth error value is %0,27 (0,003)

The flat earth mode is still more accurate.

Sorry, but I haven't quite understood how you get the flat earth distances. Could you try to explain again in other words?

But as a sphere world distances i got what method you suggested. - this is not your question.

As a result, you just need to know that i can get everything for modelling a 2d map. because it is not a map matched.
If you start from somewhere on the other side , the error increases , or the opposite is true. Think about the flat earth values "it is just a 2d flat map".

if I want to do that, i can decrease the error to under the error 0.1% by error distribution work . but i did not do that.
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2016, 05:58:34 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2016, 06:44:06 AM »
Ahahah it is so so interesting.

I know you don't know why i am laughing.

This is because of result of my working;
the flat earth error has % 0,1 << %0,5 mathematichal error limit; and;
The sphere earth error has %0,1 << %0,5 mathematichal error limit

Ahahah it is impossible on a sphere world. I think somebody fooling us when they are creating a world map!

I got the images, files and excel file. This evening i will upload the values.

First I changed the airport Vnukovo to Sheremetyevo Int. Because there isn't fly to everywhere from Vnukovo Moskov but there is from Sheremetyevo Int.

I got all of distances from google map again by using Sheremetyevo Int instead of vnukovo;
I got all of distances  from direct flyies by using Sheremetyevo Int.

FLAT EARTH:

FLYING DISTANCES   FLAT EARTH DISTANCES   ERROR
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Sheremetyevo Int'l    1.782,00   1.782,11   0,11
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Barajas, Madrid    2.717,00   2.717,50   0,50
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Schwechat, Vienna    1.253,00   1.250,72   2,28
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Charles de Gaulle, Paris    2.239,00   2.234,94   4,06
Sheremetyevo Int'l    Barajas, Madrid    3.423,00   3.423,11   0,11
Sheremetyevo Int'l    Schwechat, Vienna    1.664,00   1.662,45   1,55
Sheremetyevo Int'l    Charles de Gaulle, Paris    2.456,00   2.460,11   4,11
Schwechat, Vienna    Charles de Gaulle, Paris    1.036,00   1.033,95   2,05
Schwechat, Vienna    Barajas, Madrid    1.807,00   1.805,71   1,29
Charles de Gaulle, Paris    Barajas, Madrid    1.064,00   1.068,00   4,00

AVERAGE ERROR    % 0,10319673

SPHERE EARTH:

FLYING DISTANCES   SPHERE EARTH DISTANCES   ERROR

ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Sheremetyevo Int'l    1.782,00   1.780,17   1,83
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Barajas, Madrid    2.717,00   2.712,98   4,02
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Schwechat, Vienna    1.253,00   1.250,56   2,44
ISTANBUL, ATATURK   Charles de Gaulle, Paris    2.239,00   2.235,10   3,90
Sheremetyevo Int'l    Barajas, Madrid    3.423,00   3.419,62   3,38
Sheremetyevo Int'l    Schwechat, Vienna    1.664,00   1.662,26   1,74
Sheremetyevo Int'l    Charles de Gaulle, Paris    2.456,00   2.453,82   2,18
Schwechat, Vienna    Charles de Gaulle, Paris    1.036,00   1.034,90   1,10
Schwechat, Vienna    Barajas, Madrid    1.807,00   1.805,57   1,43
Charles de Gaulle, Paris    Barajas, Madrid    1.064,00   1.063,12   0,88

AVERAGE ERROR % 0,11793121

The earth must be a crazy.

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#### aratrum

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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2016, 07:22:17 AM »
So, if I'm understanding your method, you
- take the flight distances
- fit them onto a 2d plane, changing them as little as possible
- take the planar distances, and compare to the originals
then
- take the round distances from a different source, and compare to the originals.

I think you might be getting such similar results because Europe doesn't cover a very large part of the spherical model. (roughly 22 by 15 degrees)

If you repeated this test including at least one airport from each supposed eighth part of a spherical Earth - sort of covering the spherical planet with a net - then the discrepancies should become apparent. I haven't had the time to compile a list of flight distances, but I'm thinking of something like Paris, Moscow, Tokyo, Washington DC, Capetown, Sydney and Santiago.

Obviously all flights aren't in operation, but we can add extra airports in between and we only need to know two or three distances per airport.

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#### palmerito0

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2016, 09:03:30 AM »
MrDebunk as all of we know that you are a NASA-ISIS troll !

You are not a human. All of you are completely a lie.

This is ISIS money is supporting to sphere earth like you.

Because NASA trolls, ISIS trolls, Erdoghan trolls and CIA trolls, al qaida terrorists, ISIS terrorists; all of you are same men!

You are the brothers that sons of the satan!

You are defending that some muslims supporting to flat earth? How is it possible when i open a matter about the flat earth on an islamic site, moderators are immediately close it.

http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%9CNYA-D%C3%9CZ-VE-D%C3%96NM%C3%9CYOR (the earth is flat and is'nt spinning) - CLOSED because of been opposite to islamic theories.
http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%BCnyan%C4%B1n-d%C3%BCz-olmas%C4%B1ndan-rahats%C4%B1z-olan-m%C3%BCsl%C3%BCmanlar (The men who BOTHER from the earth is flat) - Immedietly CLOSED
http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%9CNYANIN-D%C3%9CZ-OLDU%C4%9EUNU-2-G%C3%96RSELLE-KANITLIYORUM (I prove the flat earth with 2 images)  Immedietly CLOSED

But you are still defending the radikal muslims supporting flat earth. No one of them do that, but you are a 100% idiot.  You are a perception operator that earning salary from ISIS petrol, human truncated heads, and a bit carrion.

You are here just for provocation. I don't understand why the administration allow the carrions like you.

Heiwa on the impossibility of space travel:

There are no toilets up there and sex is also a problem, just to mention a few difficulties.

WHEEEEEEEEEEE

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#### Ecthelion

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2016, 10:35:24 AM »
My understanding that Intikam took the flight distances, projected them down onto a 2d map, and then compared the distances on that projection to the initial flight distances. And, unsurprisingly, the distances match up pretty well, since it's basically comparing a number to itself.

#### MrDebunk

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2016, 01:05:09 PM »
MrDebunk as all of we know that you are a NASA-ISIS troll !

You are not a human. All of you are completely a lie.

This is ISIS money is supporting to sphere earth like you.

Because NASA trolls, ISIS trolls, Erdoghan trolls and CIA trolls, al qaida terrorists, ISIS terrorists; all of you are same men!

You are the brothers that sons of the satan!

You are defending that some muslims supporting to flat earth? How is it possible when i open a matter about the flat earth on an islamic site, moderators are immediately close it.

http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%9CNYA-D%C3%9CZ-VE-D%C3%96NM%C3%9CYOR (the earth is flat and is'nt spinning) - CLOSED because of been opposite to islamic theories.
http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%BCnyan%C4%B1n-d%C3%BCz-olmas%C4%B1ndan-rahats%C4%B1z-olan-m%C3%BCsl%C3%BCmanlar (The men who BOTHER from the earth is flat) - Immedietly CLOSED
http://www.islamiforum.net/Thread-D%C3%9CNYANIN-D%C3%9CZ-OLDU%C4%9EUNU-2-G%C3%96RSELLE-KANITLIYORUM (I prove the flat earth with 2 images)  Immedietly CLOSED

But you are still defending the radikal muslims supporting flat earth. No one of them do that, but you are a 100% idiot.  You are a perception operator that earning salary from ISIS petrol, human truncated heads, and a bit carrion.

You are here just for provocation. I don't understand why the administration allow the carrions like you.

I frickin hate ISIS man! I'd point 50,000 railguns at them and shoot them if I could, and that's the warmup!

Hold on, you said I am not a human! What species of alien am I?

and I am an atheist, not a devil worshipper! Get it right!

NASA-ISIS troll? My paycheck has \$6.626070040(81)×10−34! Planck dollars, the only amount tinier is 0!
M R D E B U N K (the reboot)

Quote from: totallackofintelligence
You sound like shill.

#### wise

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• 19964
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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2016, 01:48:22 PM »
So, if I'm understanding your method, you
- take the flight distances
- fit them onto a 2d plane, changing them as little as possible
- take the planar distances, and compare to the originals
then
- take the round distances from a different source, and compare to the originals.

I think you might be getting such similar results because Europe doesn't cover a very large part of the spherical model. (roughly 22 by 15 degrees)

If you repeated this test including at least one airport from each supposed eighth part of a spherical Earth - sort of covering the spherical planet with a net - then the discrepancies should become apparent. I haven't had the time to compile a list of flight distances, but I'm thinking of something like Paris, Moscow, Tokyo, Washington DC, Capetown, Sydney and Santiago.

Obviously all flights aren't in operation, but we can add extra airports in between and we only need to know two or three distances per airport.

No you understand me wrong!

- take the flight distances TRUE
- fit them onto a 2d plane, changing them as little as possible A BIT TRUE
- take the planar distances, and compare to the originals TRUE
then
- take the round distances from a different source, and compare to the originals. WRONG

I got the last distances from here:

- Fliying distances to Flat earth values
- Same airport to airport which distances got for flat earth distances to Sphere Earth values * (take care here important)

Now the end of the working:

You can control all of the distances airport to airport from google map and from flying routes. I did'nt use a place or airport outside these 5 airports.

NOTICE:

Some of the trolls saying that the Europe is small so the lengths comes close . This objection is not true. From the longest way on this working is 2.727 km compare it to Earth's radius 6.171 km. I think it changes something and it isint possible to see a 2d map like this:

Look this image and thing long time at on. It is impossible on a sphere earth!
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#### aratrum

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2016, 03:01:50 PM »
Some of the trolls saying that the Europe is small so the lengths comes close . This objection is not true. From the longest way on this working is 2.727 km compare it to Earth's radius 6.171 km. I think it changes something and it isint possible to see a 2d map like this:

Look this image and thing long time at on. It is impossible on a sphere earth!

I'm inclined to disagree here. Compared to the globe model, Europe really isn't that large. If you cut a line through a spherical planet from Moscow to Vienna, you'd only get a distance about 3.8% smaller than along the surface. That's a larger error than what your planar map has, but it's still not massive.

Besides, you've surely seen how the fiercest rounders claim no flat map can fit both "hemispheres"? By constructing an accurate map more than 20,000 km in length, you could shut them up once and for all. Your method is the best I've seen.

#### wise

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• 19964
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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2016, 12:00:33 PM »
Some of the trolls saying that the Europe is small so the lengths comes close . This objection is not true. From the longest way on this working is 2.727 km compare it to Earth's radius 6.171 km. I think it changes something and it isint possible to see a 2d map like this:

Look this image and thing long time at on. It is impossible on a sphere earth!

I'm inclined to disagree here. Compared to the globe model, Europe really isn't that large. If you cut a line through a spherical planet from Moscow to Vienna, you'd only get a distance about 3.8% smaller than along the surface. That's a larger error than what your planar map has, but it's still not massive.

Besides, you've surely seen how the fiercest rounders claim no flat map can fit both "hemispheres"? By constructing an accurate map more than 20,000 km in length, you could shut them up once and for all. Your method is the best I've seen.

As you know that this working only contains Europe. So I'm not interested a map bigger then 20.000 km because Europe isin't bigger like that.

You can not match a globe map 2000 km to a flat map. This physically impossible.

Actually one of the result of this working is to see "the google map isn't a spheroid map". And the other maps too. The globe maps shows us the true distances on a globe map but if you want to control it on a 2d map, you see it is impossible it to be a globe.

Because it is imposible to create a flat map with getting distances from a globe map. This shows the globe map actually isin't a globe map. It's just an illusion.
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#### CaptainMagpie

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2016, 03:47:00 PM »
Well this whole thing just goes out the window then. As we have stated time and time again you are not going to see the curve if you take such a tiny sample area because the planet is HUGE.
fuck off penguin.  I'll take my ban to tell you to go fuck your self.  Ban please.   I am waiting.

#### rabinoz

• 24223
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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2016, 11:48:57 PM »
Hello Mister good guys and mister Nasa trolls.
You claim that since ISIS has a Globe Map on its currency and NASA believes that the Earth is a Globe, that NASA supports ISIS,
BUT,
ISIS has as one of its mottoes "An eye for an eye - e4e" and YOU have "An eye for an eye" as the signature at the end of your post.
Does this mean that YOU also support ISIS?
No, I do not believe that you do, but can't YOU see that this is EXACTLY the same argument you have used to defame NASA!

You still blame NASA for the Globe - PLEASE understand that NASA had NOTHING to do with it. The matter of whether the earth was flat or a Globe was decided thousands of years AGO! NASA took the earth as a Globe simply because that is what has been the accepted shape and nothing NASA has done has proved otherwise.

OK, it goes against your belief, but you might as well blame all the countless millions before NASA that tought the same way.

All I ask is that you separate the Flat Earth/Globe issue from any religious overtones. There is plenty of evidence that historically both Muslims and non-Muslims were quite divided on the whether the earth was Flat or a Globe and even on the matter whether or not the earth is the centre of universe.

Carry on with all the debate you like about the shape of the earth - but stop this hammering on about the evils of NASA and any that support them.

#### rabinoz

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2016, 11:57:55 PM »
Because it is imposible to create a flat map with getting distances from a globe map. This shows the globe map actually isin't a globe map. It's just an illusion.
Just what "flat map" are you using? "The Flat Earth Society" seems to claim that there is no "Official Flat Earth Map".

So, what map are you using to such accurate results and if it covers the whole earth (say, like Australia), I would love to see it.
If it does not cover the whole of the Earth, then it is hardly a map of "The Flat Earth".

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#### aratrum

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2016, 02:42:40 AM »
As you know that this working only contains Europe. So I'm not interested a map bigger then 20.000 km because Europe isin't bigger like that.
Very well. If you don't want to, you don't have to.

On a different note, do you know of other sources besides flightaware that give true real-world distances? I wish to do some cross-checking, and I wish to do it on your terms.

#### wise

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##### Re: Europe Is Completely Flat !
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2016, 12:26:11 PM »
Because it is imposible to create a flat map with getting distances from a globe map. This shows the globe map actually isin't a globe map. It's just an illusion.
Just what "flat map" are you using? "The Flat Earth Society" seems to claim that there is no "Official Flat Earth Map".

So, what map are you using to such accurate results and if it covers the whole earth (say, like Australia), I would love to see it.
If it does not cover the whole of the Earth, then it is hardly a map of "The Flat Earth".

I'm using reality, not using a map created by someone except me. I'm using the map contain only the real distances.

I know there are some problems about the flat earth map, but this It does not change the fact that Europe is flat. I'm doing a completely independent operation from other believers.

My 2d AutoCAD knowledge is not bad , but I can not do it when it be 3d map . I'm sure Europe and the other major continents are flat but i have no idea about lands like Australia. I need a good artitech knows 3d autocad or 3dmax to solve it.

anyway, the matter is just europe and this working %100 prove the europe is flat.

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