How does the moon give off light?

As the FE theory states, the sun acts as a spotlight, and when it points at certain areas, that is where day time is. How would the moon possibly give off light? The moon appears to glow because the sun's light is reflected of of it towards the earth, and the angle changes the stage of the moon. How would this happen if the sun is just a one way spotlight that focuses on an area that is in day? And if the moon is self-luminous, then how does it show different parts of itself, making the phases? Thank you.

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

Thank You!

Some FEers do believe it reflects the Sun somehow, some apparently believe it's populated by luminous creatures that migrate, some believe it's lit on one side and rotates...
There are a multitude of explanations.

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 05:46:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

If you visit the wiki, the sun gives off one directional light towards the earth, and eventually the light fades out as it gets farther away from the sun, therefore, it does not illuminate the moon. Try again son.

Quote from: Sir Richard on April 01, 2016, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 05:46:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

If you visit the wiki, the sun gives off one directional light towards the earth, and eventually the light fades out as it gets farther away from the sun, therefore, it does not illuminate the moon. Try again son.

You seem to have very many misconceptions about physics.  Just because you can not see very far here at sea level, with a not very dense atmoplane, that does not mean that you can't see farther, especially when you board an aircraft, where there is much less air in between you and the object of your affection. 

Quote from: Mighty Stalin on April 01, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Quote from: Sir Richard on April 01, 2016, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 05:46:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

If you visit the wiki, the sun gives off one directional light towards the earth, and eventually the light fades out as it gets farther away from the sun, therefore, it does not illuminate the moon. Try again son.

You seem to have very many misconceptions about physics.  Just because you can not see very far here at sea level, with a not very dense atmoplane, that does not mean that you can't see farther, especially when you board an aircraft, where there is much less air in between you and the object of your affection.

Wrong chat bud?

Quote from: Sir Richard on April 01, 2016, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 05:46:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

If you visit the wiki, the sun gives off one directional light towards the earth, and eventually the light fades out as it gets farther away from the sun, therefore, it does not illuminate the moon. Try again son.

My Dear Uncle Joseph do you think I actually WROTE that myself. It was cribbed entirely OFF the WIKI on this fare site I dare say! You might want to spend a few moments on the WIKI prior to making blanket statement like the one you just made, or the one you made in 1933 which I believe was "Collectivization is effective"

Quote from: Mighty Stalin on April 01, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Quote from: Sir Richard on April 01, 2016, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 05:46:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

If you visit the wiki, the sun gives off one directional light towards the earth, and eventually the light fades out as it gets farther away from the sun, therefore, it does not illuminate the moon. Try again son.

You seem to have very many misconceptions about physics.  Just because you can not see very far here at sea level, with a not very dense atmoplane, that does not mean that you can't see farther, especially when you board an aircraft, where there is much less air in between you and the object of your affection.

In this diagram horizontal and vertical distances are to scale, but the object (and people) sizes are exaggerated, or they would be quite invisible.

OK, so you have the half the moon illuminated by the light from the sun. But, it is illuminated on the side!. The observer directly underneath is looking straight up and clearly sees only half the side facing him illuminated, see only a HALF MOON.

The other observer, for which the sun would be just setting and the moon rising, sees most of the part of the moon facing him as illuminated, so sees a nearly full moon.

But, we know for a fact that the phase of moon does not change (substantially) throughout the night or for observers in different locations.

Doesn't anyone know how the moon phases work?

I asked in the previous post: Re: How does the moon give off light?
and still no answer!

Quote from: jroa on April 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM

Quote from: Mighty Stalin on April 01, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Quote from: Sir Richard on April 01, 2016, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 05:46:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

If you visit the wiki, the sun gives off one directional light towards the earth, and eventually the light fades out as it gets farther away from the sun, therefore, it does not illuminate the moon. Try again son.

You seem to have very many misconceptions about physics.  Just because you can not see very far here at sea level, with a not very dense atmoplane, that does not mean that you can't see farther, especially when you board an aircraft, where there is much less air in between you and the object of your affection.

And you have many misconceptions about geometry!

In this diagram horizontal and vertical distances are to scale, but the object (and people) sizes are exaggerated, or they would be quite invisible.

OK, so you have the half the moon illuminated by the light from the sun. But, it is illuminated on the side!. The observer directly underneath is looking straight up and clearly sees only half the side facing him illuminated, see only a HALF MOON.

The other observer, for which the sun would be just setting and the moon rising, sees most of the part of the moon facing him as illuminated, so sees a nearly full moon.

But, we know for a fact that the phase of moon does not change (substantially) throughout the night or for observers in different locations.

Please explain where I am mistaken, because is how I interpret what you say combined with what is in the Wiki.

The scale of your image is ridiculous.  I could make the horizon curved on the exact same picture and make your theory look just as silly. 

How could it be any more silly?

FET states the earth as a flat disk with sun and moon orbiting/moving directly above. One person at one side of the earth would see a different part of the moon than another person at the opposite part of the world. Being as the moon is apparently 30 miles wide.

More so FET doesn't state why the moon appears upside down below the southern hemisphere. Care to explain?

How could it be any more silly?

FET states the earth as a flat disk with sun and moon orbiting/moving directly above. One person at one side of the earth would see a different part of the moon than another person at the opposite part of the world. Being as the moon is apparently 30 miles wide.

More so FET doesn't state why the moon appears upside down below the southern hemisphere. Care to explain?

People on opposite parts of the Earth, given that they are far enough apart, would not see the moon at the same time.

As for the moon flipping upside down, if you put a picture at the center of the ceiling in a room, from one side of the room, it would appear to be right side up.  From the opposite side of the room, it will appear to be upside down.  I don't know why this concept is so hard for you people to understand. 

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 07:53:25 PM

Quote from: jroa on April 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM

Quote from: Mighty Stalin on April 01, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Quote from: Sir Richard on April 01, 2016, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 05:46:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

If you visit the wiki, the sun gives off one directional light towards the earth, and eventually the light fades out as it gets farther away from the sun, therefore, it does not illuminate the moon. Try again son.

You seem to have very many misconceptions about physics.  Just because you can not see very far here at sea level, with a not very dense atmoplane, that does not mean that you can't see farther, especially when you board an aircraft, where there is much less air in between you and the object of your affection.

And you have many misconceptions about geometry!

In this diagram horizontal and vertical distances are to scale, but the object (and people) sizes are exaggerated, or they would be quite invisible.

OK, so you have the half the moon illuminated by the light from the sun. But, it is illuminated on the side!. The observer directly underneath is looking straight up and clearly sees only half the side facing him illuminated, see only a HALF MOON.

The other observer, for which the sun would be just setting and the moon rising, sees most of the part of the moon facing him as illuminated, so sees a nearly full moon.

But, we know for a fact that the phase of moon does not change (substantially) throughout the night or for observers in different locations.

Please explain where I am mistaken, because is how I interpret what you say combined with what is in the Wiki.

The scale of your image is ridiculous.  I could make the horizon curved on the exact same picture and make your theory look just as silly.

Apart from the SIZE of objects in that diagram the scale is as your Wiki claims it to be!
Yes I completely agree "The scale of your image is ridiculous.", but blame "the Wiki" NOT ME!
Then:

• On that image the North Pole is in the centre - where we are told it is supposed to be!
• The equator is half way between the North Pole and the "Ice Wall" at the outer edges - where we are told it is supposed to be!
• The sun and moon are rotating above the equator - where we are told are told they are supposed to be at the eqninoxes!
• The height of the sun and moon are about 3,150 miles, about half the distance from equator to North Pole - which is what we are told they supposed to be
• One observer is on the equator 180° away from where the sun is (the time is about midnight for this one).
• The other observer is on the equator 90° away from where the sun is (the time is about 6 AM or 6 PM for this one).

I said that I grossly enlarged the objects just to make them visible. A 32 mile sun and moon would hardly show and 2 m people would not show at all on this scales.

I don't claim to be a great artist, so someone better at drawing diagrams might do better!

Quote from: TylerJRB on April 02, 2016, 12:02:43 PM

How could it be any more silly?

FET states the earth as a flat disk with sun and moon orbiting/moving directly above. One person at one side of the earth would see a different part of the moon than another person at the opposite part of the world. Being as the moon is apparently 30 miles wide.

More so FET doesn't state why the moon appears upside down below the southern hemisphere. Care to explain?

People on opposite parts of the Earth, given that they are far enough apart, would not see the moon at the same time.

As for the moon flipping upside down, if you put a picture at the center of the ceiling in a room, from one side of the room, it would appear to be right side up.  From the opposite side of the room, it will appear to be upside down.  I don't know why this concept is so hard for you people to understand.

But you didn't explain it properly though did you?

People in namibia (grootfontein) and argentina (alderetes) can see the moon at the same time. Taking into account the timezone difference aswell. They are looking at the moon the exact moment when the other person is.

One sees the moon (upside down) but level. The other sees the moon (upside down) tilted down. Explain.

Because according to your FET one person should see the moon one way and the other person should see it completely opposite. As both locations are quite parallel. Both people are effectively looking toward each other.

It should still give the same (picture on the ceiling effect). Why doesnt it?

Quote from: jroa on April 02, 2016, 05:15:04 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 07:53:25 PM

Quote from: jroa on April 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM

Quote from: Mighty Stalin on April 01, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Quote from: Sir Richard on April 01, 2016, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2016, 05:46:35 AM

Quote from: Pongo on April 01, 2016, 05:24:54 AM

Many flat-earthers believe that the moon, like the sun, is self luminous.

But how does that explain the very regular phases we observe? With the Full Moon being when the moon is furthest from the sun.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.
The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.
When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.
When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.
When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.
The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes

If you visit the wiki, the sun gives off one directional light towards the earth, and eventually the light fades out as it gets farther away from the sun, therefore, it does not illuminate the moon. Try again son.

You seem to have very many misconceptions about physics.  Just because you can not see very far here at sea level, with a not very dense atmoplane, that does not mean that you can't see farther, especially when you board an aircraft, where there is much less air in between you and the object of your affection.

And you have many misconceptions about geometry!

In this diagram horizontal and vertical distances are to scale, but the object (and people) sizes are exaggerated, or they would be quite invisible.

OK, so you have the half the moon illuminated by the light from the sun. But, it is illuminated on the side!. The observer directly underneath is looking straight up and clearly sees only half the side facing him illuminated, see only a HALF MOON.

The other observer, for which the sun would be just setting and the moon rising, sees most of the part of the moon facing him as illuminated, so sees a nearly full moon.

But, we know for a fact that the phase of moon does not change (substantially) throughout the night or for observers in different locations.

Please explain where I am mistaken, because is how I interpret what you say combined with what is in the Wiki.

The scale of your image is ridiculous.  I could make the horizon curved on the exact same picture and make your theory look just as silly.

Apart from the SIZE of objects in that diagram the scale is as your Wiki claims it to be!
Yes I completely agree "The scale of your image is ridiculous.", but blame "the Wiki" NOT ME!

Take the distance from North Pole to equator as about 6,300 miles and the distance from equator the "Ice-Wall" as about 6,300 miles and the.

Then:

• On that image the North Pole is in the centre - where we are told it is supposed to be!
• The equator is half way between the North Pole and the "Ice Wall" at the outer edges - where we are told it is supposed to be!
• The sun and moon are rotating above the equator - where we are told are told they are supposed to be at the eqninoxes!
• The height of the sun and moon are about 3,150 miles, about half the distance from equator to North Pole - which is what we are told they supposed to be
• One observer is on the equator 180° away from where the sun is (the time is about midnight for this one).
• The other observer is on the equator 90° away from where the sun is (the time is about 6 AM or 6 PM for this one).

I said that I grossly enlarged the objects just to make them visible. A 32 mile sun and moon would hardly show and 2 m people would not show at all on this scales.

I don't claim to be a great artist, so someone better at drawing diagrams might do better!

Now, stop being so utterly negative and explain just where I have gone wrong! This IS the Q&A Forum!

Funny that something we see around once a month has no consistent explanation!