Islam, Jıhad, ISIS and satanism, and people like yasoo, jackblack, Curioser, etc

This topic has been created in order to prevent the manipulation of information spread by satanists, since it has been determined that there are inaccurate and incomplete information and misinformation about Islam, jihad and the Islamic prophet in the public.

Here, you will also see how people who say they are jihadists and people who say they are atheists, meet in common points. This will enable you to understand why the concept of Islam is being misrepresented in the public and to see the big picture.

I leave this post here so that you understand that this is not a one-post topic. I will continue this. When I published this post, the member named yasoooo had sent more than a thousand promotional content about Islam and there was no protest attempt by the atheist section. However, when I write the truth here, you will see how they will claim that I am making Islamic propaganda. This will enable you to understand how those who claim to be atheists while seeing the big picture are actually satanists who meet with jihadists. The office is busy right now. Then we will continue.

Islam, unlike Christianity, is a book-based religion. Until the age of 40, the Prophet was loved in the province where he lived and known as al-amin (reliable person). However, the holy book was sent to the prophet because the Arabs of his time went to extremes in ugly behaviors such as drinking and prostitution. In other words, until these scriptures came, Muhammad did not claim to be a prophet. This shows that he was an ordinary and decent person with no enthusiasm for prophethood. Again, although it was claimed that he met and even held hands with another woman other than his wife in the pre-Islamic period, these allegations could not be proven. However, such a situation has not been reported after Islam.

Therefore, although it is claimed in the Qur'an that islam has existed since the earliest times, we can say that it started with the Qur'an in its current meaning. For this reason, in order to understand Islam correctly, it is necessary to understand the Qur'an correctly. At this point, people have made a clear mistake since history and followed all the behaves of the prophet. We often refer to these as "sunni beliefs". The handicap of this belief, which includes me, is to overlook the fact that the prophet was an ordinary person until the age of 40, he lived as a prophet for 23 years, so he was actually someone we can call an "infidel" for most of his life. Even if someone of this character is a prophet, he should not be seen as perfect because of his pre-prophetic habits. After all, he is not like Jesus, she is an ordinary person and has many mistakes. For these reasons, we can only take the Qur'an as sound religious sources.

Sources in Islam are of 4 types as follows: Quran, hadith, consensus, qiyas (comparing).

This is also the competency ranking of these resources. When different provisions are noticed from time to time among these sources, whichever is correct from the first is taken. For example, if the Qur'an and the hadith conflict, what the Qur'an says is considered correct. If the hadith and the qiyas conflict, the hadith is considered correct. Like this.

Speaking of Islam, I want to talk about the early periods of Islam and the prophet's understanding of jihad. Jihad is important because, in fact, jihad is not jihad as you know it, and is a much broader subject. Jihad is not war, I mean it is not war as you know it. Now I will tell you the origins of this.

First of all, I mentioned that the prophet was a person of good character. It was even said that he had a girlfriend when he was married. That's show he an ordinary person. After he started talking about the Qur'an, he was subjected to various tortures and oppressions in her city of Mecca. This went on for 13 years. He was a prophet for 13 years in Macca, there was a large audience who believed in him, yet he did not respond to these tortures and persecutions against him. Here, we see that he has proven that he is not an excited person, contrary to what is claimed, but that he is calm, cool and modest. It's even weirder if you calculate it in years. He lived as a non-Muslim until he became a prophet at the age of 40, was tortured for 13 years in Mecca, and was 53 years old. After that, we can say that he prophesied comfortably for only 10 years. Do we see that you live like a sultan here? Of course no.

Let's go back to the topic of Mecca, because it is important for you to understand the concept of jihad. He lived as a prophet in Mecca for 13 years, and they tortured her and wounded her several times, but she neither left the city nor fought against them. He just tried to persuade those people by speaking nicely. But in the end, when there was an assassination attempt on him, he had to leave the city.

After leaving the city, Islam spread to wider masses in Medina. And then they fought the Meccans. Now, if we think according to the misunderstood understanding of Islam, he must have gathered his army and went against the city of Mecca, right? But that was not the case. The Meccans and Medinans made a trade agreement. Despite this, the Meccans were plundering the caravans of Medina. They made an agreement against looting by sending envoys to them. However, the Meccans broke the agreement and continued to plunder the caravans and kill the people. Thereupon, he fought the Meccans.

I said that the concept of jihad is broad. Jihad means struggle and includes many things. Here, the concept of jihad in the sense of war is as follows:

1) Be patient as long as you can when persecuted. This is what prophet first has done. If you meet a good, true, honest, sane Muslim, he will try this against you against the evil you want to do to her, he will be patient without doing anything.

2) Solving the problem through persuasion This is the second thing the prophet tried. If the problem is not resolved even though you remain silent, try persuading. He has tried this for 13 years. How many people here can be so patient? Absolutely not me.

3) If the problem is still not resolved, leave that area (city if necessary). I hope you see how Islam encourages avoidance of conflict as opposed to what is being promoted by perception operators. What was about the war so far? Nothing. And we spent 13 years under torture in this situation. Where is the idea of war? Nowhere!

4) Make deal with your enemies. Look, they tortured you as a Muslim, what did you do? You have been patient. Problem not solved. Then? You tried to persuade, the problem was not solved. You tried to persuade for 13 years and the problem is still not solved. You left the city, the problem is still not solved. Shouldn't you fight? No. Now we have to make a deal, not war, as the Prophet did.

5) If they break the deal you made, then you can fight.

It is fixed as the life of the Prophet and certain according to the verses and hadiths, there are 5 stages on the way to war, and a war that takes place before they are completed cannot be Islamic. What was that?

1) Being Patient against torture
2) Persuasion (not in the sence of to accept islam, but sence of invite the enemies to give up the evil!).
3) Emigration.
4) Agreement.
5) Waiting for the other party to break the agreement.

Among these conditions, what does this issue, namely jihad ( a wrong definition actually it is war, not jihad) in the sense of war, have to do with someone else's acceptance of Islam or not? As you can see, it has nothing to do with it.

By the way, I want to tell you what Islam means. Islam actually comes from the root of the word salam as a word. This is the expression we use when greeting each other. Basically, it has meanings such as goodness, well-being, likewise hello. Because of the similarity of words, we sometimes invite bad people to goodness, and it is understood as an invitation to Islam. Because it's literally the same thing. In other words, when I wish you Islam, I only wish goodness, I do not invite you to Islam. 

The concept of jihad in the Islamic sense essentially means the struggle against ignorance. The words "jihad" and "ignorance" in Arabic come from the same root. Jihad, Jehalet (ignorance). The word ignorance is like the plural form of the word jihad. Therefore, jihad is actually a struggle against ignorance somewhere.

In other words, it is theoretically impossible to declare jihad "against individuals or states", as is done by certain groups, and it has nothing to do with Islam.  Because jihad is an abstract concept, the name given to the struggle against ignorance.

War in the Islamic sense mentioned here includes concepts such as patience in the face of persecution and then trying to come to an agreement. It is purely for self-defense and has nothing to do with the spread of Islam!

So, why do these Islamic terrorist organizations exist even though the concept of jihad is so clear? Or, where do ideas that have nothing to do with Islam, such as "spreading Islam by making jihad" come from? We'll see the supposedly reasons of those flows soon.

In this article, we learned the basic concepts. In the next article, we will see how and for what purpose these basic concepts are abused by jihadists (!), ISIS, al qaeda, and islamofobics like jackblack, croiser and croiser.

Have a nice jihad. I wish İslam you all. 

Why are the pronouns of Muhammed constantly changing from "he/him" to "she/her"?

This is what happens during translation from Turkish to English. There is no he/she/it difference in Turkish. He, she and it is the same word. For this reason, since the words he/she/it you write in a Turkish expression are written the same way, when translated into English, they are randomly translated as he, she or it.

Turkish equivalents of some English words:

He: O
She: O
It: O
Aunt: Teyze
Aunt: Hala (paternal)
Uncle: Dayı
Uncle: Amca (paternal)
I: Ben
We: Biz
You: Sen (singular)
You: Siz (plural)

father: baba, peder. father is always "baba". The word "peder" is used only by married men "just sometimes" when talking about their fathers. The use of this word expresses social status, as it is known that it has passed into Turkish from a foreign origin. Sometimes it is used by people who do not respect their father very much. And sometimes it refers to the social status of the father. And it is sometimes used to emphasize his foreign admiration. 
mother: anne

Grandmother: Anneanne
Grandmother: Babaanne (paternal)

Grandfather: Dede
Grandfather: Büyükbaba (paternal)

cousin: Kuzen (same word and usage)

Sister-in-law: Baldız (wife's sister)
Sister-in-law: Görümce (husband's sister)
Sister-in-law: Yenge (Wife of; brother, uncle or paternal uncle)
Sister-in-law: Elti (It is the relative situation of two women married to two men who are brothers of each other.)

brother in-law: Kayınço (is the term used by a man for his wife, for a woman by his husband, that is, for the brothers of the spouses of married couples)
brother in-law: Enişte (spouse of one's aunt, paternal aunt or sister)
brother in-law: Bacanak (It is the relative situation of two men married to two girls who are sisters of each other.)

Words that are used more than once for the same person, although there is no difference in meaning between them:

father-in-law: Kayınbaba, babalık, kayınpeder, kaynata.
mother-in-law: kayınvalide, analık, kaynana. Kayın'peder on the top line has no equivalent here, because it comes from the familiar word "Father" and has no equivalent. Although it means to me, it has the same root as the word priest in Christianity. It would have to be something like "kayın'nun" for this to happen, but since female servants are rare in the church, a word equivalent to priest is not known in Turkish.

Turkish is so developed in this regard that the words "mother-in-law and father-in-law" are determined according to your relationship with those people:

father-in-law: Kayınbaba (It is used when talking to him. If your relationship is really good.)
father-in-law: babalık (It is used when talking to him. Your relationship is still good but if you don't respect him) 
If you don't have any respect for your father-in-law, he is still the kaynata (father-in-law) or he may just become "o" (he / it). 
father-in-law: kayınpeder (Since the word father is similar to a priest in Christianity, we usually do not call that person when addressing him. We use it when we talk about it elsewhere.)
father-in-law: kaynata (This word is also not used when addressing him. We use this word for him when talking to others)

The difference between father-in-law (kaynata) and father-in-law (kayınpeder) varies according to the education level of the person. While the more educated people prefer the word "kayinpeder", the people with a lower education level prefer the word "kaynata". Sometimes this preference is also related to the education level of the father-in-law. 

mother-in-law also has details like this.

In Turkish, subjects close to the person himself are more important. The subject of me and us is the same as in English, but when it comes to you, your plural is also important and we call it differently. This is about the importance that the first and second person give to each other: The more important I am, the more important you are in Turkish. If there is we, there is also the plural form of you. However, third parties are not very important in terms of Turkish. In Turkish it is the same word when it is third person, a man, a woman, any animal or any object or whatever. It's someone else, so it doesn't matter if it's he, she or it, it's simply a single letter ascribed: O

For example, when you say "it bit me" in Turkish, all three are possible as (he/she/it) bit me in English. Here, the translation program randomly places the word (he/she/it) denoting gender or thing. Since I know this situation, I usually fix it myself after the translation, sometimes I don't because there is no difference between them in our logic of thought, and sometimes it is overlooked.

Since the person herself is important in Turkish, his close relatives are also important, so each your relatives and even relatives of your partner have a separate name. Uncle and aunt are named differently depending on whether they are paternal or maternal. Grandfather is also named differently depending on whether it is from the father or mother. Grandmother is also named differently depending on whether it is from the father or mother. However, all non-relative gentlemen are uncles and all ladies are aunts. There is no need for distinction in this. We address it as an uncle or aunt, but when we talk behind his back, he always falls into the "it" class.

I experience the same astonishment you experienced when the words aunt and paternal aunt in Turkish expressions change places after they are converted to English.

The matter will be interrupted as the weekend will intervene. That's why I want to get into the real essence of the matter a little bit.

As explained in the second post, there is no concept of jihad in the sense of "war" in Islam and jihad actually means the struggle against ignorance. In addition, there are 5 stages on the way to war, and they consisted of patience, persuasion (meaning discouragement from evil), runing away from evil and trying to come to an agreement, which took a total of 13 years. And we learned that a war in the sense of "spreading Islam" is not defined in Islam. Today, "then what are these Islamic jihadists? Where do they come from?" We will come to the subject. I'm going to dig into the topic a little bit, but not end it, because we're going to continue with that.

The concept of Islamic jihad was invented by westerners who did not understand Islam and Muslims. All of the Islamic organizations you see and hear today are made up by westerners. In addition, all of the Islamic states established today were founded by westerners. And all the states they founded were become hostile to them. They were not successful in any of them. So where do they go wrong? Let's explain right away, and let's start from here.

Due to cultural and linguistic differences, westerners cannot understand the difference between the Islamic concept of jihad and war. As explained above, the word Islam means "goodness" and we invite our enemies to "goodness", not Islam. But westerners think that we invite people to Islam because we use similar words, so the organization they will establish can do the same. However, this concept is erroneous and cannot find a base in Islamic countries. No Islamic organization established by Westerners from Africa to Syria, from Turkey to China has spread among Muslims, all of them have been represented by terrorists previously bought by the Westerners. These organizations, which were founded with the wrong concept by the Westerners, could not go beyond being a terrorist organization. Except for one, Afghanistan, we'll come back to that later.

Westerners who misunderstood the concept of Islam also misunderstood the concept of jihad. For this reason, the established terrorist organizations have never been able to find mujahideen to fight for them. But they hired paid terrorists. And these are always ugly people who are far from Islam, who do not know what they believe in, and most of them use drugs.

Isn't it strange that some of the founders of Islamic terrorism are the democrats in the USA? Then let me tell you, it's not weird. Because the aim is not to spread Islam, but to make Islam look ugly. The aim of the democrats in the USA is to make propaganda that conservatism is a bad thing in general, under the name of the ugliness of Islamic terrorism. In other words, Obama's establishment of ISIS with Hillary is actually a move that targets the Republican conservative base and aims to dissolve that base. Now do you understand why they messed with Trump so much, and why they targeted his family, his company, even though he wasn't president? Let's listen to him again:



We know that Hillary responded to these allegations. So, was Trump sued "for slander"? Nope. He knows they can't do that, but democratic prosecutors are suing him for "tax evasion." Because the ISIS claim is true. Otherwise Hillary would have sued him, won and received compensation. And that would be the end of politics for Trump. But Hillary couldn't do it, because if she did it would have turned out that it was real.

Everyone knows that it was the CIA director who first met Laden. The CIA actually set up al-Qaeda to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Where is Islam in this? Nowhere. It's purely a matter between them and the Russians.

Boko Haram was also founded by the CIA. He kidnapped many people, captured many parts of countries many times. But it was never permanent. The problem was the same in all of them: the Western misconception that "after a while, the people will support them, due to the concept of Islamic jihad". But since there is no such concept in Islam, it cannot be successful either.

To support this erroneous concept, Westerners hire preachers to support jihad in Islamic countries. None of them are scholars, none of them are professors. Let me tell you, there are more than a thousand professors of theology in Turkey alone, and not a single one of them mentions that jihad is used in the sense of war. Not even one. And those who talk about this are fake preachers who were bought by foreign intelligence agencies and hired a congregation around them.

They keep preaching the Westerners' false concept of Islam. Let me tell you, there are four sects of Islam and none of them have a concept of jihad in the sense of war. In order to destroy this understanding and replace it with a jihadist understanding, these preachers try to hunt Muslims in Islamic and western countries. Basically their targets are sects.

For example, Dr. Zakir Naik, who is being propagated here by yasooo every day, is called a pervert here. Don't get me wrong, the title of Doctor is not based on religion, he is a medical doctor, a surgeon. So, with what competence does a surgeon speak for Islam and try to destroy the four madhhabs when there are thousands of Islamic professors? Moreover, why is Yasoooo quoting this medical doctor who talks back and forth about Islam instead of quoting the thousands of Islamic professors I mentioned, claiming that he is trying to promote Islam? Because the aim is to destroy the real Islam and replace it with their own erroneous and perverted understanding of Islam!

While we're at this point, I'm not going to talk about the satanic rituals of democrats in the US, I wrote this just to remind you. It is precisely at this common point that satanist democrats in America, NASA's atheist rituals and Islamic terror meet at a common point and they are propagating that Islamic jihad is a part of Islam.

If you ask them about their religion, Islamophobes like jackblack, crouiser and croiser, who will say that they are atheists, will say that Islam is as yasoooo describes, that it includes the concept of jihad, and that the peaceful Islam we believe in is wrong. Moreover, while saying this, they say that they hate religions and Islam. So why research something you don't hate and don't like? Well, if he likes it, let's face it, why is he doing this to someone like me who says that Islamic propaganda is not a part of Islam, rather than someone who directly engages in Islamic propaganda like yasoooo? The answer is obvious. Their purposes are the same. To impose the concept of jihad, which is completely wrong, has nothing to do with Islam.

We will continue this after the beginning of the week. Have a good weekend.

Oooh. I heard a girl say "I'll give you Baba's number" and now I finally understand what the Muslim girl meant! Thanks wise.

The following discussions will make you understand the difference between ordinary people and things like yasoooo. Many people have seen that these types of people do not respond to real criticism, instead they wait for the democrats in the USA to defend them. and it really happens. The reason it's here is because ISIS, a CIA project, is supported by another CIA project, "cointel-pro". Otherwise, how could it be? The place of people like yasoooo and Zakir is in prison. but here, free propaganda.

Zakir Naik:
The Islamic preacher, 57, was banned in India in 2016 and faces charges of spreading hate speech and inciting terrorism. He is also facing money laundering charges after he was accused of acquiring $28mn (£21m) worth of criminal assets to buy properties in India and finance events.

Money laundering is allowed by the Quran?

Yasoooo cant answer this. Let me answer, nope. Neither Zakir, nor yasoooo has seemingly nothing with quran or İslam.

Quote from: wise on December 10, 2022, 05:53:28 AM

Legal Warning!

The person named Zakir Naik is a surgeon, he has nothing to do with Islamic science even remotely. and claims to explain Islam in the light of supposedly science.

The disinformation work done here is explained in detail in the believers section of the forum.

Actual Legal warning

Zakir is a wanted fugitive and anyone listening to the bullshit he says will be considered indoctrinated and threats to national security in accordance with terrorism laws. The only reason his videos remain on YouTube despite him being a wanted red notice criminal is to alert authorities as to who needs to go on a watch list

Watch his videos - you get watched yourself

Why do the admins allow so much Zakir propaganda on the forum? Yasoooo may as well be posting recruitment and propaganda videos from Al Qaeda or ISIS.

If yasoooo had done this in an Islamic country, he would have been arrested on charges of aiding terrorism and being a member of a terrorist organization. but strangely, this situation is free here. actually it's not weird on my part, I get why, it's weird nonetheless.

ISIS is Islamic.
Al-qaeda is Islamic.
The Taliban is Islamic.
Boko Haram is Islamic.

Now, looking at the above quote, I would like to ask you: regardless of whether this person is a Muslim or an atheist, consider his name as Abubaker Al Omar, for example, is it not clearly supporting terrorism?

In other words, will the person who says these sentences one after the other be counted as not supporting terrorism because he claims to be an atheist?

This is the situation described above. Satanist democrats founded ISIS and support it financially and morally. As a result, an ignorant Muslim who can believe these statements used by jackblack can join these terrorist organizations. Because, according to Jackblack's claim, these terrorist organizations represent Islam.

As explained above, the concept of jihad in Islam does not exist in the doctrine of any sect in the sense of war, and this thesis is used only by terrorist organizations.

then how is it possible for yasoooo and jackblack to freely propagate terrorism here?

Is Mohammad Aboo Jack a misnomer? clearly no different from any ISIS terrorist. they understand Islam as he does and he is as muslim as they do.

Please everyone give some thought to this at the end of the week. We need to clean the forums of the terrorism supporters.

However, the sun is an ordinary creature created only to serve man. Why would the prophet look like him? This does not elevate his glory, on the contrary, it degrades him.

The topic title "The shining sun on the world" is an insult to Islam and the Prophet! Because the prophet of Islam has never described himself, God, the Qur'an, or scholars as the sun. He specifically avoided it. And he is not responsible for this. This is how it is in Christianity also. The sun is not a ritual, it is nothing.

Prophet Joseph in his dream that the sun and 12 stars were subject to him. This is the case both in the Qur'an and in the biblical sources. But Prophet Yusuf was not subject to them. This is a principled stance and expresses that man is superior to the celestial bodies.

The purpose of yasoooo and the like is to eliminate this perception. Starting from the idea that the Prophet is like the sun, they try to create the subconscious of respecting the sun.

From my understanding, ISIS and those terrorist groups are just trying to make Islam look bad, am I right?
Islam is a loving religion and they, under the name of Islam (or something), are doing such things to make Islam look horrible.

From my understanding, ISIS and those terrorist groups are just trying to make Islam look bad, am I right?
Islam is a loving religion and they, under the name of Islam (or something), are doing such things to make Islam look horrible.

The answer of your question is: Yes.
And your findings are correct.

The apparent purpose here is to denigrate Islam, but the real purpose is not Islam. The main purpose is to subconsciously place religiosity in general as bad. This is a move by the democrats to narrow the philosophical breadth of the republican base. Currently, only Islamic terrorism is on the agenda. But gradually the infrastructure of Christian terror is being formed. You can see this in the news of newly emerging terrorist organizations in Germany and Ukraine. Islam is a test board for them. Their main target is Christian devotees. They use Islamic terrorism to gain some experience. They made a lot of failed attempts but it doesn't matter, they gained experience. And they will use the experience they used while trying to spread Islamic terrorism to spread Christian terrorism, which is their main target. Because Christians are more crowded, stronger and more visible. Christianity, the strongest of the Abrahamic religions, is of course their real target.

Once they achieve this, the democrats can rule forever. And of course, in this case, satanism / Magusism will spread more easily. Trump had a chance to prevent this, by closing NASA. I don't know what they threatened or bribed him with, but somehow he missed it. And now the world is paying the price for it. I hope the first ever Republican president shuts down NASA. In this case, Islamic terrorism will end, the hegemony of the USA in the world will continue and there will be peace. I am hopeful for Ron De Santis.

For once in my life, I am right for once.
Also, I haven't a clue on how Islam or Christanity work so would you mind teaching me from your great wisedom?

For once in my life, I am right for once.
Also, I haven't a clue on how Islam or Christanity work so would you mind teaching me from your great wisedom?

Do you belong to a religion and which religion or sect do you belong to? If not, what is your belief about God? If I know this, I can write accordingly. We're writing general topics here, but considering your particular situation, I think I can talk to you about it.

Quote from: Alexei on December 14, 2022, 11:06:44 AM

For once in my life, I am right for once.
Also, I haven't a clue on how Islam or Christanity work so would you mind teaching me from your great wisedom?

Do you belong to a religion and which religion or sect do you belong to? If not, what is your belief about God? If I know this, I can write accordingly. We're writing general topics here, but considering your particular situation, I think I can talk to you about it.

I don't know if God exists, my parents never taught me anything.
My parents are buddist but I don't see myself as belonging to it.
If I was taught about religion then I would believe in God but no one has taught me anything.

(1 /3)

Quote from: wise on December 15, 2022, 12:27:21 AM

Quote from: Alexei on December 14, 2022, 11:06:44 AM

For once in my life, I am right for once.
Also, I haven't a clue on how Islam or Christanity work so would you mind teaching me from your great wisedom?

Do you belong to a religion and which religion or sect do you belong to? If not, what is your belief about God? If I know this, I can write accordingly. We're writing general topics here, but considering your particular situation, I think I can talk to you about it.

I don't know if God exists, my parents never taught me anything.
My parents are buddist but I don't see myself as belonging to it.
If I was taught about religion then I would believe in God but no one has taught me anything.

Before starting the subject of God, religion and Islam, you need to know the philosophy of religions and existence in general.

What is meant by God is the person who decided that you were created before you were created. This has to be. Because, according to the laws of physics, nothing can come into existence out of nothing. Since we live in this world, we are primarily responsible for what we understand from this life. I talked about responsibility because everyone is responsible for what they do. If we think of life as a kind of game, just as you play well or badly in the game and everything you do has a consequence, so does life. It is by straight logic that everything we do in this life should have a consequence. If some harmful actions in this life do not have a result, this is a strong indication that the result of these actions will appear later. And this requires us to believe in afterlife.

So if we use logic there must be a God and there must be an afterlife.

Let me explain how life began. If it had been as the materialists described and nothing had happened in the beginning then 0-0-0-0... would have continued. Why would anything affect him? There is nothing anyway, and there is a 100% chance that it will continue to be not exist. There is zero chance of anything else happening. This logic reveals that existence must have a predecessor. It doesn't matter how. How it started goes beyond our perception of this world. We are responsible as far as we know and understand, and accordingly, for something to exist, it must be a continuation of something else.

In the world we live in, everything is a continuation of something. We are the continuation of our parents, the streams the continuation of the groundwater, or the clouds the continuation of the evaporated water, the soil the continuation of the decaying trees and stones, the plants the continuation of each other. Nothing exists on its own and nothing disappears. We call this "continuity".

The principle that is more important than the continuity principle, but a little more difficult to understand, is the "singularity" principle. Accordingly, being is one, it does not matter in which form it is. Accordingly, you, me, God, the devil, prophets, streams, rocks, the universe, in short, everything that exists is one and only. By principle we are simply different forms of being and that includes God.

I would also like to touch on the subject of the multiverse. The concept of time is a valid concept for this universe. There really is no such thing as time. You've probably heard of the concept of "time is relative". There really is no time. We express time with earthly things. Events always move in one direction and we create a time scale to order events in that direction. And in order to give it a magnitude, we make use of the rotational movements of the sun and moon. So what is time in another universe where there is no sun and moon, moreover, where the flow of events is free? It is not exist. This is so in a universal sense. Since there is no time, everything outside of this world actually happens now. This actually applies to this world as well, but as the sun continues to rotate, we cannot perceive the difference for now.

Actually, since time does not exist and everything is now, we are actually doing this correspondence here and in other universes at the same time, we were never created and we were created and destroyed, and all of this is happening now right now. This is the true explanation of the philosophical paradox called the "time paradox". After learning all this, how is it possible that man can also be God? We can ask ourselves this question. Probably we are. Because we have experienced from everything and from every role, and there were definitely roles of God in them. So we are ordinary people here, we are the God who created this world, we are the devil trying to deceive ourselves, and we are silent stones on the side. We are all of everything.

God is also a concept that belongs to us. This "we" expression actually means "I". In the Qur'an, Allah sometimes defines himself as "us" and this definition cannot be understood. In fact, when he says we, he means himself, me, you, him, everything. Because there is singularity and we are all the same. God sent us the same book many times at the same time, and it all happened in that moment. They were all the same God and therefore "they" sent us books.

Jesus was well acquainted with this concept of 'me' and 'us'. Because the prophets know these things well. Because he knew well, he knew that he was actually God. But in a statement attributed to Jesus in the Qur'an, he says something like "I did not say that I am God". This may be true. But he knew the truth, and those around him understood it. But they interpreted the expression differently. In fact, although those expressions are not wrong, the Qur'an forbids the use of these expressions, according to the Qur'an, Jesus is not God. We will refer to the concept of Jesus in the Qur'an again in a moment. I want to return to the topic of God.

We said there must be a God, and if this life is a game, this game has rules and God determines these rules. Because he created us. Maybe breaking the rules is one of the things he's trying to detect. Whether or not we do is a matter of choice, but we need to understand what God wants from us. God has informed us through prophets to convey these wishes to us. This usually happens through the scriptures. The people to whom the holy books were transmitted are called prophets. There have been thousands of prophets throughout history, but it is reported that 3 of them have the book "conclusively". According to the Islamic source, these are four books, in Christianity it is more. I would like to briefly talk about the most known holy books and what they want from us and the differences between them.

The monotheistic religions are three. These are Judaism, Christianity and Islam according to the period of their emergence. There are others, but that's all that has survived and is known. These are also called Abrahamic religions. In general, all of them accept the prophet Abraham as leaders. and the prophets of these religions are his descendants. So there is kinship. At the same time, belief in God is similar. The total number of people who believe in these religions is half of the world's population. Therefore, when "religion" is said, these Abrahim religions are generally understood. Let's take a quick look at what these religions say:

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The main book of the religion of Judaism is the Torah, and the most well-known rule of Judaism is the 10 commandments. And these are:

The Ten Commandment of Judaism

1. You will have no gods other than Allah.

2. You shall not make a carved idol for yourself.

3. You shall not mention the name of Allah in vain.

4. You will not do any work on Saturday.

5. You will honor your father and mother.

6. You shall not kill.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You will not steal.

9. You shall not give false testimony.

10. You shall not covet anything of your neighbor.

These rules are actually the most important of the basic principles of the other two religions. Although Christians accepted these orders, they determined new rules by claiming that the provisions in the Torah in general are no longer valid. That's why they call the Torah the Old Covenant. Accordingly, the book is correct, but there have been changes in its provisions. According to Muslims, this book has been distorted and wrong rules have been added instead of Allah's true rules.

What actually happens is the corruption of religion because some Jewish rabbis selled parts of the Torah verses for money. As a result, religion has turned into a concept that can be interpreted in exchange for money. As corruption progressed, Jesus descended to earth and tried to show people the right way.The Torah was conveyed to Moses by God through an angel. But the Bible is not like that. The gospel expressed by Jesus was written by the apostles who followed him. Therefore, the shape of the download is different. The Bible is filled with slightly more stories than the Torah. It contains both God's commandments and follows the life story of Jesus.


The orders are not much different from the 10 commandments above, but there are minor differences.

The reason for the coming of Islam is a correction movement for the Christians to express that he is the son of God about Jesus. This is the philosophical justification. However, the physical reason is that the Arabs were very perverted at that time, etc. Therefore, the orders in the Bible and the 10 commandments of the Jews are also found in the Qur'an and Islam under different names and shapes. Basically, the Qur'an, the Bible and the Torah speak of the same things. However, there are statements in the Qur'an that can be understood as Jesus is not the son of God. This is because Jesus is so highly valued in the Bible that he takes the place of God. Therefore, this correction has been made. Some expressions in the Qur'an are therefore prone to misunderstanding. These have been left particularly prone to misunderstanding. These statements in the Qur'an are so that Christians do not say about Jesus that he is God himself or that he is the son of God. However, the strange thing is that there is no accusation in the Qur'an about these expressions in the Bible.

In summary, the problem is not whether Jesus was God himself or his son or an ordinary prophet, but that someone said that he is God or son of the God. This is a complex issue and one should not worry about it while reading the Quran. If you think about it, you won't be able to get out of it. What we need to know here is that the bible is true according to the Qur'an and that good and moral Christians will go to heaven.

According to islam:

The pillars of Islam are 5 and there are 6 pillars of faith. What this means is that you must meet these 5 conditions to be accepted as a Muslim. And if you fulfill these other 6 conditions, you will be considered a believer. Don't ask what is the difference in meaning between the two, I know as much as I explained.

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5 Pillars Of Islam

1- Testimony : Accepting Allah as God, Muhammad as a prophet.

This condition alone is sufficient. In other words, if a person says this alone, he is a Muslim according to Islamic criteria and legally. but in principle there are 4 more and it is necessary to know them.

2- To pray: You can research how to worship in Islam. Although it is stated that it is necessary to pray 5 times a day, the rate of those who do this is less than 10 percent. Because no one has that much time, and since worship is done with the body, it can be challenging. In general, Muslims go to the prayer called "Friday prayer" on Friday and the obligatory parts of this prayer are led by the imam. In this worship, it is sufficient to imitate what the imam does as a physical movement without reading anything. However, you need to pay attention to this detail, do not do a move before the imam, otherwise your worship will be invalid as your theory that you follow him will be in vain. Imams say something at the beginning of every movement and people expect them to say that thing. The order is already determined. Imams usually start the movement themselves and then call out so that the congregation there does not make a mistake and start the action before him. Thus, the congregation cannot pass the imam even if they want to. A clever tactic.

3- To give alms: It is obligatory for the rich to give alms, and for the poor to give alms. It's kind of like a tax. We give every year. This is the amount of money you will give to a poor person living in your neighborhood and it is equal to the amount of food he needs for one day. For a family it is performed by one of the parents of that family. As far as I remember, it costs around 10-20 dollars a year for a family of 4 people. Whatever. You can search for the correct amount for your country. Because this figure varies country by country according to the socio-economic status of the countries.

4- To fast. In Islam, we do not eat during the day for 30 days. We have breakfast before sunrise (before dawn) and dinner after sunset. It was forbidden to eat, drink water and play with girls (boys for girls) in between. The number of these days is 15 in Christianity, 10 in judaism. There seems to be an inflation here. It's increasing all the time.

5- To go on pilgrimage. Going to Mecca and Medina (two cities In Saudi Arabia) during the Hajj. But this worship is for the rich. It is not obligatory for those who are not rich to perform this worship. However, it must be accepted. In other words, he knows that you have to go on pilgrimage, but if you don't, you are considered a Muslim. But if you say "There is no need to go" and do not go, then you are not considered a Muslim.

This applies to all "except the first" of the terms here. For example, if you know you have to pray, but you don't, it's okay. But if you say, "There is no need to pray," then you are not considered a Muslim. Therefore, it is necessary to perform prayers "occasional", at least in terms of accepting the existence of worship.

Again, fasting is for healthy individuals. If you have diabetes or blood pressure, doctors do not recommend fasting.

If there is an economic crisis in your country, you may not be able to give alms, or you may not want to do so. However, since the amount is not very high, even if there is an economic crisis, everyone usually does this worship.

Tawhid belief: The belief in Tawhid is based only on the principle of "the unity of Allah". Muhammad is not mentioned here. Its pronunciation is as follows: "Allahuakbar". (God is great). It has no Islamic equivalent. However, this is mentioned in some prayers, which I do not understand the logic of.

Testimony:

Short Version (not legal, but exist): Eshaduan ilaha illallah. (I bear witness that Allah is one)

Legal version: Eshaduan ilaha illallah ve ashhedü enne muhammadan abdühu ve resulûh. (I bear witness that Allah is one and Muhammed is his prophet and servant)

Under any circumstance, once you say the legal version of the testimony, you are now considered a Muslim, both by law and by Islam. the rest doesn't matter.

The 6 conditions of faith

They are necessary conditions for a person to be recognized as a "believer". After all, one can say that he is a Muslim. So is it really like that? According to Islamic sources, if you are doing these 6 things, you "really" have faith. If not, you may be legally Muslim, but you will not be seen as a believer. While these are seen as secondary conditions to others, they are sometimes more important.

1- Believing in the existence of God.
2- Believing in angels.
3- Believing in books. (Believing in the Bible, Torah and Zebur as well as in the Qur'an. This is the most challenging condition for Muslims. They say that they believe with their tongues, but after a little discussion, their belief immediately goes away. Mine does not go )
4- Believing in prophets. (All the prophets including Jesus and Moses, even, especially Jesus and Moses)
5- Believing in the afterlife (resurrection after death)
6- Believing in destiny.

The surah most known to Muslims is Surah Fatiha. It is this way:

" In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
Master of the Day of Judgment.
Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Show us the straight way,
The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray." (quran 1:1)

The verse that is read before the prayer in every Friday sermon is as follows. This prayer is actually an expression that we can say is the form of a believer's soul according to the Qur'an.

"Indeed, Allāh orders justice and good conduct and giving [help] to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded.". (quran 16:90)

The prayer most known to the Jews is as follows:

Listen, Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.

Blessed be the name of His glorious kingdom for ever and all time.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might. These words which I command you today shall be on your heart. Teach them repeatedly to your children, speaking of them when you sit at home and when you travel on the way, when you lie down and when you rise. Bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be an emblem between your eyes. Write them on the doorposts of your house and gates.

One of the most beloved verses in the Bible is as follows:

“From now on, brothers and sisters, if anything is excellent and if anything is admirable, focus your thoughts on these things: all that is true, all that is holy, all that is just, all that is pure, all that is lovely, and all that is worthy of praise.”

I hope you have noticed the harmony between them in terms of worldview. In fact, they complement each other. It seems that there are contradictions between them, but considering that these are semantic shifts due to the changing context, we should not dwell on the differences. It is necessary to see the common and good aspects. All three books are absolutely beautiful. If you see some not-so-beautiful ones, consider what I call "sense shift".

If you will research about religion, first read the Torah, then read the bible, and lastly read the Quran. Don't get hung up on names and events, they're the props. Try to get ideas.

If you have any questions, we can continue on this topic.

Good luck. 

The only thing I know about Islam is that NO KISS BEFORE MARRIAGE (no sex either :p)

The only thing I know about Islam is that NO KISS BEFORE MARRIAGE (no sex either :p)

Wrong. This may be a rule but not an exact one and no one cares. 😉

Quote from: Alexei on December 16, 2022, 11:06:14 AM

The only thing I know about Islam is that NO KISS BEFORE MARRIAGE (no sex either :p)

Wrong. This may be a rule but not an exact one and no one cares. 😉

I knew you were always a sly fox!
GO GET EM TIGER!

Quote from: wise on December 16, 2022, 08:30:48 PM

Quote from: Alexei on December 16, 2022, 11:06:14 AM

The only thing I know about Islam is that NO KISS BEFORE MARRIAGE (no sex either :p)

Wrong. This may be a rule but not an exact one and no one cares. 😉

I knew you were always a sly fox!
GO GET EM TIGER!

You have a long time to go wrong. No I am not.

This is not a personal attitude, but an opinion that is the result of an institutional attitude. Premarital intercourse is known as forbidden in Islam. However, relations between adults cannot be hindered by religious dogmas. Islamic countries have developed various methods to overcome this problem. There are four sects in Islam, the first of which is very common and the second is less common. The first one is hanafism and the second one is shiism. Others are so rare that I don't even know their names. The most well-known countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia are Hanafi while Iran is Shia. Outside of Iran, the Shia view is in the minority in other countries.

In Hanafi countries, there is the practice of "religious marriage" as an alternative to civil marriage. This was practiced in Turkey until about 20 years ago. But the state, remembering that it is secular, banned this practice. Currently, the imam who performs an imam marriage for any two people is banned from the profession. In fact, this ban is against human rights because it means interference in religion. I don't know the situation in other countries. Saudi Arabia is far from me.

There is a practice of muta marriage in Iran. This is similar to the imam marriage in Hanafi. Two people who want to get married go to a third person who knows religious prayers and say they want to get married. That person says they are now married. This is a valid form of marriage according to Islamic methods. So there is no problem in terms of Islam. However, states do not accept this. This is a legal practice in Iran. Being married or not is not important here. If two people want to be together, a religious marriage is held with the help of a third person and they are now free to do everything they want. Religious marriage is legal in Iran, prohibited in other countries. However, the betrothed perform imam marriages among themselves with the help of their elders. Because no one wants to get involved in what an engaged couple does. In order to set them free, religious marriages are also held together with the betrothal.

Now you can jump in front of this fox as a good chick.

Oh, ok. I get it now.