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odvetnik_irsic

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Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« on: March 27, 2016, 03:13:57 AM »
I cannot comprehend why a debate needs to even go on. It seems that the FE'ers will never concede regardless of the evidence.  Needless to say Geodetic Surveying clearly and quickly proves that the earth is round. This is based on everyday experience from professionals in the field and which is based on over 300 years of geodetic surveying being conducted independently by countless surveyors over the centuries.  Clearly a debate with FE'ers has become so utterly preposterous that I question their sanity. 

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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2016, 03:25:41 AM »
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 27, 2016, 03:13:57 AM
I cannot comprehend why a debate needs to even go on. It seems that the FE'ers will never concede regardless of the evidence.  Needless to say Geodetic Surveying clearly and quickly proves that the earth is round. This is based on everyday experience from professionals in the field and which is based on over 300 years of geodetic surveying being conducted independently by countless surveyors over the centuries.  Clearly a debate with FE'ers has become so utterly preposterous that I question their sanity. 

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All fake. Shills, in on the conspiracy. Or just stupid and getting their measurements wrong. Or equipment is rigged. Or Aether.
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2016, 08:46:30 AM »
Quote from: richaddis on March 27, 2016, 03:25:41 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 27, 2016, 03:13:57 AM
I cannot comprehend why a debate needs to even go on. It seems that the FE'ers will never concede regardless of the evidence.  Needless to say Geodetic Surveying clearly and quickly proves that the earth is round. This is based on everyday experience from professionals in the field and which is based on over 300 years of geodetic surveying being conducted independently by countless surveyors over the centuries.  Clearly a debate with FE'ers has become so utterly preposterous that I question their sanity. 

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All fake. Shills, in on the conspiracy. Or just stupid and getting their measurements wrong. Or equipment is rigged. Or Aether.

Yes indeed; all of the geodetic surveyors were all masons educated by Jesuits and given misaligned surveying equipment.  hahaha... and this is the kind of logic we're dealing with?  And these are people that reside among us and are allowed to procreate, vote and own guns!  The horror!
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2016, 05:46:36 AM »
What FEers will not acknowledge is that for many countries quite accurate dimensions have been available for centuries.

For example there is this map of Australia, registered in 1855, so must have been drawn from surveys made before that date. The copy of the map I have is about 60 MB and 6839x5701 pixels. Since the map had a distance scale I was able to determine the width of a degree of longitude at various latitudes.
For each of four latitudes I scaled the distance from lat 130° to lat 138° and converted this to km/deg at that latitude and also calculated what the ideal km/deg would be if the equatorial circumference of the earth were 40,000 km.
   
Lat
   
   dist km
   
    km/deg
    calc
    km/deg
10°
   875.3
    109.4
    109.4
18°
   844.2
    105.5
    105.7
26°
   797.4
    99.7
    99.9
34°
   735.7
    92.0
    92.1
The width of each degree simply scaled from an (admittedly large) old map agrees to far better accuracy than we would expect with the width of each degree on a (spherical) Globe.

And, of course, it also confirms that the equatorial circumference of the earth must be close to 40,000 km.
By the way, if I scaled these figures according to the shape of the "Ice Map" of the Flat Earth there would have been TWO problems showing up. Firstly there would have been NO agreement as to the equatorial circumference and secondly, if we used just one of these latitudes the "equatorial circumference" of the Flat Earth would have come to much LESS than 40,000 km, not about 62,800 km (2 x π x 10,000 km) as required for a disk.
       
The map below has been reduced to 1200x1000 pixels.

Map of Australia registered in 1855.
If anyone is interested the map can be found at:

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« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 05:46:44 PM by rabinoz »
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Sir Richard

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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2016, 06:07:33 AM »
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 27, 2016, 03:13:57 AM
I cannot comprehend why a debate needs to even go on. It seems that the FE'ers will never concede regardless of the evidence.  Needless to say Geodetic Surveying clearly and quickly proves that the earth is round. This is based on everyday experience from professionals in the field and which is based on over 300 years of geodetic surveying being conducted independently by countless surveyors over the centuries.  Clearly a debate with FE'ers has become so utterly preposterous that I question their sanity. 

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Good afternoon and I hope you had a most blessed Easter Morn yesterday.

I agree, with much on the attached video and I disagree with very little. Having taken surveying courses in my formative years I will say that this gentlemen understands completely surveying and why geodetic surveys prove absolutely nothing.

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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2016, 06:28:20 AM »
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 06:07:33 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 27, 2016, 03:13:57 AM
I cannot comprehend why a debate needs to even go on. It seems that the FE'ers will never concede regardless of the evidence.  Needless to say Geodetic Surveying clearly and quickly proves that the earth is round. This is based on everyday experience from professionals in the field and which is based on over 300 years of geodetic surveying being conducted independently by countless surveyors over the centuries.  Clearly a debate with FE'ers has become so utterly preposterous that I question their sanity. 

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Good afternoon and I hope you had a most blessed Easter Morn yesterday.

I agree, with much on the attached video and I disagree with very little. Having taken surveying courses in my formative years I will say that this gentlemen understands completely surveying and why geodetic surveys prove absolutely nothing.

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The surveyor interviewed,  said quite clearly he only ever did plane surveys,  and never did a geodetic survey.   So the whole video has zero relevance.
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2016, 06:48:39 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor on March 28, 2016, 06:28:20 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 06:07:33 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 27, 2016, 03:13:57 AM
I cannot comprehend why a debate needs to even go on. It seems that the FE'ers will never concede regardless of the evidence.  Needless to say Geodetic Surveying clearly and quickly proves that the earth is round. This is based on everyday experience from professionals in the field and which is based on over 300 years of geodetic surveying being conducted independently by countless surveyors over the centuries.  Clearly a debate with FE'ers has become so utterly preposterous that I question their sanity. 

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On the attached link you will see ckljamas completely and utter refute this geodetic survey nonsense. It is used for nothing- and I remind you that a theodolite cannot view anything over the horizon.
Good afternoon and I hope you had a most blessed Easter Morn yesterday.

I agree, with much on the attached video and I disagree with very little. Having taken surveying courses in my formative years I will say that this gentlemen understands completely surveying and why geodetic surveys prove absolutely nothing.

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The surveyor interviewed,  said quite clearly he only ever did plane surveys,  and never did a geodetic survey.   So the whole video has zero relevance.
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 06:52:07 AM »
You messed up your quote tree a little bit, Sir Richard.  Would you mind me fixing that for you? 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 07:02:52 AM »
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 06:52:07 AM
You messed up your quote tree a little bit, Sir Richard.  Would you mind me fixing that for you?
Please do and thank you very much.
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odvetnik_irsic

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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM »
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM »
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI
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odvetnik_irsic

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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM »
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM »
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies. 
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odvetnik_irsic

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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2016, 01:25:11 PM »
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.

I have yet to hear about one educator, scientist or credible industry professional claim the world is flat.  Unlike other credible conspiracy movements, the FE folks can't seem to provide one credible insider. Any secret government documents proving anything? Nope? What does the FE movement actually have?  All I can see is that it's led by the most pathetic bunch of YouTube "researchers"...is there anyone that you can point to that is an authority in anything? 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2016, 04:10:49 PM »
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 01:25:11 PM
I have yet to hear about one educator, scientist or credible industry professional claim the world is flat.   

That does not surprise me.  The educators are not only indoctrinated, they are also the indoctrinators. 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2016, 10:47:20 PM »
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

Oh yeah the genius cikljamas. Such a genius that we usually can't follow his incoherent, convoluted, incorrect posts.
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2016, 08:16:25 AM »
Quote from: Dog on March 28, 2016, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

Oh yeah the genius cikljamas. Such a genius that we usually can't follow his incoherent, convoluted, incorrect posts.

There are plenty of RE'ers with whom this applies as well. 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM »
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.
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odvetnik_irsic

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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2016, 04:29:31 AM »
There has so far not been one reasonable explanation for how Geodetic Surveyors have been functioning unwittingly as part of this grand conspiracy.  They always fail to provide any proof of this conspiracy in the form of confidential documents, leaked information, or even a credible witness or whistle blower.  Nothing.  There isn't one piece of documentation or testimony that is usable as evidence, well, since there isn't any.  This is so obviously a sophisticated co-intel hoax...poor fools.
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2016, 05:33:45 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right? 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2016, 05:43:07 AM »
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right?
They have their work peer-reviewed to find and correct mistakes.  But with a concept as all-encompassing as the shape of the earth, it's foolish to assume that they've all been making the same mistakes every time. 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2016, 05:51:48 AM »
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right?
They have their work peer-reviewed to find and correct mistakes.  But with a concept as all-encompassing as the shape of the earth, it's foolish to assume that they've all been making the same mistakes every time. 

For how many years did the tobacco scientists claim that tobacco is not bad for you? 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2016, 06:02:37 AM »
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:51:48 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right?
They have their work peer-reviewed to find and correct mistakes.  But with a concept as all-encompassing as the shape of the earth, it's foolish to assume that they've all been making the same mistakes every time. 

For how many years did the tobacco scientists claim that tobacco is not bad for you?
That's irrelevant.  We're talking about whether the entire scientific community, including geodetic surveyors, astronomers, seismologists, aerospace engineers, climatologists, and countless others could be wrong in the exact same way, and you, with no relevant education of any sort, could somehow be smarter than all of them.  God complex much?
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2016, 06:10:01 AM »
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 06:02:37 AM
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Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right?
They have their work peer-reviewed to find and correct mistakes.  But with a concept as all-encompassing as the shape of the earth, it's foolish to assume that they've all been making the same mistakes every time. 

For how many years did the tobacco scientists claim that tobacco is not bad for you?
That's irrelevant.  We're talking about whether the entire scientific community, including geodetic surveyors, astronomers, seismologists, aerospace engineers, climatologists, and countless others could be wrong in the exact same way, and you, with no relevant education of any sort, could somehow be smarter than all of them.  God complex much?

What do you mean by "no relevant education of any sort?"  I'll have you know that I have two science degrees.  I bet you feel sort of dumb for saying that now, am I right? 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2016, 06:15:54 AM »
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 06:10:01 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 06:02:37 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:51:48 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right?
They have their work peer-reviewed to find and correct mistakes.  But with a concept as all-encompassing as the shape of the earth, it's foolish to assume that they've all been making the same mistakes every time. 

For how many years did the tobacco scientists claim that tobacco is not bad for you?
That's irrelevant.  We're talking about whether the entire scientific community, including geodetic surveyors, astronomers, seismologists, aerospace engineers, climatologists, and countless others could be wrong in the exact same way, and you, with no relevant education of any sort, could somehow be smarter than all of them.  God complex much?

What do you mean by "no relevant education of any sort?"  I'll have you know that I have two science degrees.  I bet you feel sort of dumb for saying that now, am I right?
No I don't, because you obviously don't use them.  And furthermore, I was referring to flat earthers in general.  You as a society have no qualifications to tell the scientific community that they're wrong.  You're just a bunch of jackasses standing in a circle, turning down your chance to give a damn. 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2016, 06:33:30 AM »
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:51:48 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right?
They have their work peer-reviewed to find and correct mistakes.  But with a concept as all-encompassing as the shape of the earth, it's foolish to assume that they've all been making the same mistakes every time. 

For how many years did the tobacco scientists claim that tobacco is not bad for you?
Yes, and then when medical technology (x-ray, etc...) proved that smoking destroys your lungs, the tobacco companies changed and admit that smoking is bad for your health. They changed when proven wrong, why can't you?
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2016, 06:42:18 AM »
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 06:15:54 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 06:10:01 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 06:02:37 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:51:48 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right?
They have their work peer-reviewed to find and correct mistakes.  But with a concept as all-encompassing as the shape of the earth, it's foolish to assume that they've all been making the same mistakes every time. 

For how many years did the tobacco scientists claim that tobacco is not bad for you?
That's irrelevant.  We're talking about whether the entire scientific community, including geodetic surveyors, astronomers, seismologists, aerospace engineers, climatologists, and countless others could be wrong in the exact same way, and you, with no relevant education of any sort, could somehow be smarter than all of them.  God complex much?

What do you mean by "no relevant education of any sort?"  I'll have you know that I have two science degrees.  I bet you feel sort of dumb for saying that now, am I right?
No I don't, because you obviously don't use them.  And furthermore, I was referring to flat earthers in general.  You as a society have no qualifications to tell the scientific community that they're wrong.  You're just a bunch of jackasses standing in a circle, turning down your chance to give a damn. 

But, I do use them; every day I use them, both at work and even here on this site.  I am sorry that my knowledge of science somehow intimidates or belittles you, but I can assure you that just because you don't like my science, that does not mean it is invalid. 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2016, 06:49:16 AM »
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 06:42:18 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 06:15:54 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 06:10:01 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 06:02:37 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:51:48 AM
Quote from: Blue_Moon on March 30, 2016, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 30, 2016, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on March 30, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Quote from: jroa on March 28, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Sir Richard on March 28, 2016, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on March 28, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
Here we go again...diversion and obfuscation, half-truths, avoidance, etc.. Classic FE debate methods.  Geodetic Surveying does in fact PROVE a curved earth.  End of story. Enjoy...
The poster cikljamas destroys this geodetic argument being made on the thread below
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66107.0#.Vvk1Z8ec9FI

I don't know what you're talking about ol' chap.  He didn't even come close.  Before you even try to claim Geodetic Surveying is somehow "flawed," you need to explain how countless of Geodetic Surveyors over all our continents somehow coordinated their conspiracy and which continues to be kept a secret.  I assume there is a Round Earth Conspiracy 101 course that every surveyor takes?  Come now, you can't be so insane...Or?

You don't have to be part of a conspiracy in order to be wrong, especially when your teachers were roundies.
Are you implying that all these Geodetic Surveyors since maybe al Burini's time have been wrong about the shapes of countries and continents?

I imagine you live in the USA. Do you know the shape and size of that country. Were all those Geodetic Surveyors right about the shape and size?

And, I suppose you have noticed that these maps have not changed significantly since we have had GPS mapping. Those surveyors were very accurate.

I wish you would just realise that Geodetic Surveyors do not set out to prove that the earth is a globe (or any other shape), they just measure the land.

Oh, I suppose that scientists are infallible now?  They never make mistakes, right?
They have their work peer-reviewed to find and correct mistakes.  But with a concept as all-encompassing as the shape of the earth, it's foolish to assume that they've all been making the same mistakes every time. 

For how many years did the tobacco scientists claim that tobacco is not bad for you?
That's irrelevant.  We're talking about whether the entire scientific community, including geodetic surveyors, astronomers, seismologists, aerospace engineers, climatologists, and countless others could be wrong in the exact same way, and you, with no relevant education of any sort, could somehow be smarter than all of them.  God complex much?

What do you mean by "no relevant education of any sort?"  I'll have you know that I have two science degrees.  I bet you feel sort of dumb for saying that now, am I right?
No I don't, because you obviously don't use them.  And furthermore, I was referring to flat earthers in general.  You as a society have no qualifications to tell the scientific community that they're wrong.  You're just a bunch of jackasses standing in a circle, turning down your chance to give a damn. 

But, I do use them; every day I use them, both at work and even here on this site.  I am sorry that my knowledge of science somehow intimidates or belittles you, but I can assure you that just because you don't like my science, that does not mean it is invalid.
Really now.  What science degrees do you have, then, that are so relevant to the shape of the earth? 
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2016, 07:32:44 AM »
Geodetic surveying assumes a round earth as an axiom. It is impossible for it to prove the earth is round because of this. However, it does allow us to disprove a round earth as it is modeled by surveying via reductio ad absurdum by simply finding incoherence within its model.
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Re: Geodetic Surveying PROVES a round earth: Why are we wasting time debating?
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2016, 07:56:02 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 30, 2016, 07:32:44 AM
Geodetic surveying assumes a round earth as an axiom. It is impossible for it to prove the earth is round because of this. However, it does allow us to disprove a round earth as it is modeled by surveying via reductio ad absurdum by simply finding incoherence within its model.
But do they find incoherence?  No, they don't. 
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