Clouds on the Horizon

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Shaddow24

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Clouds on the Horizon
« on: March 27, 2016, 12:37:20 AM »
Look at this image:



Those clouds are clearly touching the horizon.
You don't generally get clouds like this at ground level, so the explanation is simple, the Earth is curved and the clouds go over the horizon.

FEers, please explain how this is supposed to work on a flat Earth.
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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2016, 04:27:15 AM »
Perspective also makes airplanes appears to get closer to the ground as they travel away from you.  Are you really this confused or amazed by the laws of perspective? 

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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2016, 07:01:54 PM »
Perspective also makes airplanes appears to get closer to the ground as they travel away from you.  Are you really this confused or amazed by the laws of perspective?

Let me show you how perspective works.

On a spherical Earth, it's simple.

Say you had a really long cloud, 2 people at different points would be able to see different parts of it, as the cloud curves along with the Earth.

Now let's say we have a flat Earth with a long thin plane that goes across it:



The plane appears to get thinner as it gets closer to the horizon. But it never touches the horizon.

It simply can't appear to touch the horizon, because it isn't actually touching it.

As long as the plane is not touching the ground at all, there will always be that little gap at the horizon. On the photo I showed in the original post, the clouds clearly appear to be touching the horizon.

And in the example I just showed, that is a plane that stretches across the whole flat Earth. You don't get clouds that big, so there would be a considerably larger gap between the horizon and the plane.

And again, what you said about aeroplanes...
Perspective also makes airplanes appears to get closer to the ground as they travel away from you.
You can clearly see planes fly over the horizon. This is not at all possible on a flat Earth.
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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2016, 09:28:05 PM »
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It simply can't appear to touch the horizon, because it isn't actually touching it.

Wrong.

I have seen with my own eyes what appears to be a ship's hull going below the horizon, only to increase magnification and see it back in full view.

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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2016, 09:42:33 PM »
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It simply can't appear to touch the horizon, because it isn't actually touching it.

Wrong.

I have seen with my own eyes what appears to be a ship's hull going below the horizon, only to increase magnification and see it back in full view.

And I've seen exactly the opposite.

(Or have I?)
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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 10:42:33 PM »
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It simply can't appear to touch the horizon, because it isn't actually touching it.

Wrong.

I have seen with my own eyes what appears to be a ship's hull going below the horizon, only to increase magnification and see it back in full view.

Yes, well, ships don't fly, do they. Of course you are going to see a ship touch the horizon, because they are actually on the water. Clouds on the other hand, are not. If the Earth was flat, you shouldn't be able to see clouds touching the horizon.
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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2016, 03:53:45 AM »
I think that you people need to study up on visual perspective. 

Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 04:01:00 AM »
I think that you people need to study up on visual perspective.
Please provide a diagram to explain what you (tell us you) believe.

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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 04:10:18 AM »
I think that you people need to study up on visual perspective.
Please provide a diagram to explain what you (tell us you) believe.

What?  You mean like this?


Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2016, 04:22:23 AM »
I think that you people need to study up on visual perspective.
Please provide a diagram to explain what you (tell us you) believe.

What?  You mean like this?


The point is the clouds appear beyond the horizon, as expected on a round earth.

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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2016, 04:29:35 AM »
I think that you people need to study up on visual perspective.
Please provide a diagram to explain what you (tell us you) believe.

What?  You mean like this?


The point is the clouds appear beyond the horizon, as expected on a round earth.

If the Earth is round, you can't see beyond the horizon in order to know where the clouds are.  :-\

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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2016, 04:30:44 AM »
I think that you people need to study up on visual perspective.
Please provide a diagram to explain what you (tell us you) believe.

What?  You mean like this?



That diagram works on a round Earth, not a flat Earth. The telegraph poles would not eventually disappear on a flat Earth. The end of the line might not be visible with the naked eye, but with a telescope you would be able to find it.

On a round Earth, the telegraph poles simply go over the horizon along with the curvature of the Earth.
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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2016, 04:40:37 AM »
The telegraph poles would not eventually disappear on a flat Earth. The end of the line might not be visible with the naked eye, but with a telescope you would be able to find it.

Oh Geez.  Do I have to explain to you again that air is not perfectly transparent and that the distance to the horizon changes on a day-to-day basis?  Can you people stay on one topic for more than 2 posts?   Did you forget to take your ADHD meds this morning?  ::)

Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2016, 04:49:56 AM »
The telegraph poles would not eventually disappear on a flat Earth. The end of the line might not be visible with the naked eye, but with a telescope you would be able to find it.

Oh Geez.  Do I have to explain to you again that air is not perfectly transparent and that the distance to the horizon changes on a day-to-day basis?  Can you people stay on one topic for more than 2 posts?   Did you forget to take your ADHD meds this morning?  ::)
Personal abuse again.  I thought you had banned it.

The horizon is a fixed distance based on height and radius.  Nothing to do with perspective or the air.

Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2016, 04:57:38 AM »
The telegraph poles would not eventually disappear on a flat Earth. The end of the line might not be visible with the naked eye, but with a telescope you would be able to find it.

Oh Geez.  Do I have to explain to you again that air is not perfectly transparent and that the distance to the horizon changes on a day-to-day basis?  Can you people stay on one topic for more than 2 posts?   Did you forget to take your ADHD meds this morning?  ::)

Jora is ignoring the post from a few years ago where an even better and more obvious photo of clouds emerging from the horizon was posted, with a demonstration of what it looked like at different altitudes. Unfortunately, I can't find the thread, otherwise I'd break his teeth on those pictures right here. It utterly disproved his perspective/atmosphere argument.
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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2016, 11:15:40 AM »
Do you mean something like this:
(http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65105.msg1744796#msg1744796)

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Re: Clouds on the Horizon
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2016, 11:43:34 PM »
The telegraph poles would not eventually disappear on a flat Earth. The end of the line might not be visible with the naked eye, but with a telescope you would be able to find it.

Oh Geez.  Do I have to explain to you again that air is not perfectly transparent and that the distance to the horizon changes on a day-to-day basis?  Can you people stay on one topic for more than 2 posts?   Did you forget to take your ADHD meds this morning?  ::)

Fine, let's skip clouds or boats or telegraph poles or whatever going over the horizon.
Tell me how the Sun works. If the Sun were circling above us as FEers say, tell me how it appears to go over the horizon.

Don't tell me it has something to do with the atmosphere bending light or whatever because 1. There would be no way for the Sun to appear that far away from it's place in the sky without being majorly distorted (it wouldn't be a circular shape), and 2. That would mean that the atmosphere makes clouds look distorted during the day and the stars look distorted during the night.
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