I know what's on the other side of the Ice Wall

checkout this link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole

It turns out that no matter from which direction you approach the ice wall (i.e. Antarctica), (it doesnt matter if you approach it from south america or from austrailia) if you keep traveling, you will eventually travel onto the opposite side of the globe...

Airplanes have flown over antarctica, and while commercial airlines avoid going there, its only because of added costs due to extra safety measures

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a9751/why-nasa-is-flying-old-planes-over-antarctica-16172172/

people have walked across the Ice Wall (i.e. Antarctica)
http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2013/dec/13/borge-ousland-how-i-crossed-antarctica
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151109-south-pole-antarctic-explorers-shackleton-expedition/

and, look at all the other people that have traveled to the South Pole
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions#21st_century

how do FE's ignore these experiences these people have when they go and travel through Antarctica?

Lies, people only think the were at the South Pole, pictures/videos are fake, people who actually made it were killed or silenced to conceal the truth, people assumed the Earth was round and never went looking for the edge, the Antarctic Treaty means there are over 30 nations guarding the wall preventing anyone from going, etc.

There is a FE model with two poles and so Antarctica existing as we know it on a RE model so it is not proof the Earth is round.

Pretty much all the arguments I have heard about this.  No evidence you can produce will prove otherwise, similar to pictures from any space agency. 

people who travel from the north pole, and continue traveling, down all the way past south america, continuing straight, actually reach the south pole...

to say that they only "think" they reached the South Pole, is not scientific... the distance from one edge of the Antarctic to the other Edge has been measured. people have crossed it. if they themselves have seen it with their own eyes, their own senses, their own empirical observations, then that in itself is evidence.

there is no evidence that the people who "actually made it were killed or silenced", but there is evidence to the contrary

People, when they discovered the earth was a globe, no longer had a fear for looking for the edge. they were free to cross antarctica on scientific expeditions, and they did, and now we all finally know.

the FE model with two poles is a Dual Earth Theory model, and both the Earth's are flat, and that theory doesn't work either because the upword force would cause both earth's to colide with one another.

the evidence doesn't have to be pictures... the evidence is simply people traveling there, and traveling across the Ice Wall (i.e. Antarctica). Using empirical observations. If you had enough money to fund your own trip, you could do it yourself.

people who travel from the north pole, and continue traveling, down all the way past south america, continuing straight, actually reach the south pole...

to say that they only "think" they reached the South Pole, is not scientific... the distance from one edge of the Antarctic to the other Edge has been measured. people have crossed it. if they themselves have seen it with their own eyes, their own senses, their own empirical observations, then that in itself is evidence.

there is no evidence that the people who "actually made it were killed or silenced", but there is evidence to the contrary

People, when they discovered the earth was a globe, no longer had a fear for looking for the edge. they were free to cross antarctica on scientific expeditions, and they did, and now we all finally know.

the FE model with two poles is a Dual Earth Theory model, and both the Earth's are flat, and that theory doesn't work either because the upword force would cause both earth's to colide with one another.

the evidence doesn't have to be pictures... the evidence is simply people traveling there, and traveling across the Ice Wall (i.e. Antarctica). Using empirical observations. If you had enough money to fund your own trip, you could do it yourself.

I agree.  I was just giving you the answers I have received or seen given to other people. 

I would read the wiki then start asking questions.  There are plenty to ask since a lot of what is provided is conjecture that supports any FE model.  You will notice a lack of calculations and data making reproducible experiments hard.  When enough data is provided it is rather easily explained with the RE model.

Take a look at the Bishop Experiment as an example.  Rather easy to determine distance and if the observer had a telescope only 20" above the water using Google maps and aerial photos.

This will help you learn what evidence is accepted and rejected.

Lies, people only think the were at the South Pole, pictures/videos are fake, people who actually made it were killed or silenced to conceal the truth, people assumed the Earth was round and never went looking for the edge, the Antarctic Treaty means there are over 30 nations guarding the wall preventing anyone from going, etc.
There is a FE model with two poles and so Antarctica existing as we know it on a RE model so it is not proof the Earth is round.
Pretty much all the arguments I have heard about this.  No evidence you can produce will prove otherwise, similar to pictures from any space agency.

Are you serious or just trying to ridicule the Flat Earth? You are doing a pretty good job of the latter, so I wonder!


I don't believe that even many Flat Earthers really believe this rubbish about "30 nations guarding the wall" anymore.

Otherwise why would there be FEers pushing the DUT (whatever that is?) and as you say the "Bi-polar" model.

No, I suppose that the existence of the South Pole does not prove a globe, but when that alternatives are ridiculous maps like the bi-polar one that has so many holes you could drive a team of horses through.

Antarctica is well traveled...not by the military but by thousands of mountaineers who have visited the Vinson Masiff over the years. My friend climbed the Vinson Massif that is well within the confines of the continent and well beyond your so-call Ice Wall.  And guess what, from the top all that he could see is an endless expanse of mountains and ice sheets...since he flew there from Patagonia, there is NO DOUBT that he traveled to Antarctica. Case closed.  There are a multitude of organizations that arrange trips for all types of expeditions to Antarctica http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/climb-antarctica  Here, why don't you put your money where you mouth is and go there yourself.  Antarctica has been circumnavigated many times by all types of ships. Heck there is even an Antarctica Cup race covering the 14,000 miles around the continent. http://www.yachtpals.com/boating/antarctica-boats 

I assume that you think Lake Vostok, discovered by the Soviets in 1959 is also a fraud?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok  Man, this continent is well explored...or WHY in the world would all these countries bother to fabricate what they claim they found during their explorations?  That's really crazy and insane to consider that such a massive conspiracy could actually occur without one whistle blower.

Here is but a list of official explorations to Antarctica, and this doesn't even include the thousands that have traveled as private individuals.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions

Good luck!

No less an authority on the subject,  Sir Samuel Birley Rowbotham, Ph.D. M.D., had this to say about the ice wall. If he said it, it must be true !

"How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness.

It should be noted that, in both views, the Ice Wall is a naturally formed structure, a mountain range merely covered in ice and snow. Thus, it is irregular in shape, size, and appearance. It is a wall only in the sense that it walls the earth’s oceans.

In a minority of Flat Earth Models, the Ice Wall is very difficult to reach and may be guarded by groups conspiring to maintain the commonly accepted Round Earth Model?."

-Quoted directly from the Flat Earth Wiki-

Antarctica is well traveled...not by the military but by thousands of mountaineers who have visited the Vinson Masiff over the years. My friend climbed the Vinson Massif that is well within the confines of the continent and well beyond your so-call Ice Wall.  And guess what, from the top all that he could see is an endless expanse of mountains and ice sheets...since he flew there from Patagonia, there is NO DOUBT that he traveled to Antarctica. Case closed.

I looked up Vinson Masif, and followed the link to http://www.adventure-network.com where they explored Heritage Range, and others.  All of them are apart of Ellsworth Mountains, which is only 40 miles from the coast line.

Case Open.

http://www.polar-quest.com/trip/fly-to-the-south-pole/

By the way: you know with certainty, if you are at the south pole, only by looking at the stars, so they cannot cheat you. Observing the stars, no matter wherre, also tells you things like "earth is round", so you can in fact save your money.

"Vinson Massif (/ˈvɪnsən mæˈsiːf/) is a large mountain massif that is 21 km (13 mi) long and 13 km (8.1 mi) wide and lies within the Sentinel Range of the Ellsworth Mountains. It overlooks the Ronne Ice Shelf near the base of the Antarctic Peninsula. The massif is located about 1,200 kilometres (750 mi) from the South Pole." 78°35’S, 85°25’W. Part of the Sentinel Range and 1200km (746 miles) from the South Pole.  If is NOT 40 miles from the coast. 

Contrary to your schizophrenic world view people, yes real people actually do travel there.  Challenge: raise some money, sell the trailer you live in, and go climb the Vinson Massif or travel to the "fake" south pole that you claim must be right off the Antarctic coast (or Hollywood sound stage)...then you can prove all of us wrong.  Surely, this is a challenge worth such a paltry cost...

Antarctica is well traveled...not by the military but by thousands of mountaineers who have visited the Vinson Masiff over the years. My friend climbed the Vinson Massif that is well within the confines of the continent and well beyond your so-call Ice Wall.  And guess what, from the top all that he could see is an endless expanse of mountains and ice sheets...since he flew there from Patagonia, there is NO DOUBT that he traveled to Antarctica. Case closed. 

Who said nobody has ever been to Antarctica?  Oh, is this another of your roundy lies that you people like to pretend to believe that flat Earth claim? 

Sir, it's one of your tenets whereby your organization's predominant view is that Antarctica is impenetrable and nothing more than an ice wall which is protected by military forces, when IN FACT travel to Antarctica is widespread and open to any public individual able to pay for the trip.  There are many expedition tour agencies willing to take you there and heck, here's a chartered flight out of Melbourne which takes a 12 hour flight over the continent and even over the geographic South Pole.  http://www.traveller.com.au/qantas-jumbo-747400-jets-spectacular-southern-journey-over-antarctica-12htsi

And I loved reading the TripAdvisor reviews from the travelers, aka government ops, black op agents: https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attraction_Review-g4357995-d3830236-Reviews-Antarctica_Flights-Cheltenham_Bayside_Greater_Melbourne_Victoria.html

Come on buddy, stop this silliness and drop $1200 to prove us all wrong...by the way, I appreciated your acceptance and use of the word Antarctica! That's a good start...

Sir, it's one of your tenets whereby your organization's predominant view is that Antarctica is impenetrable and nothing more than an ice wall which is protected by military forces, when IN FACT travel to Antarctica is widespread and open to any public individual able to pay for the trip.  There are many expedition tour agencies willing to take you there and heck, here's a chartered flight out of Melbourne which takes a 12 hour flight over the continent and even over the geographic South Pole.  http://www.traveller.com.au/qantas-jumbo-747400-jets-spectacular-southern-journey-over-antarctica-12htsi

And I loved reading the TripAdvisor reviews from the travelers, aka government ops, black op agents: https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attraction_Review-g4357995-d3830236-Reviews-Antarctica_Flights-Cheltenham_Bayside_Greater_Melbourne_Victoria.html

Come on buddy, stop this silliness and drop $1200 to prove us all wrong...by the way, I appreciated your acceptance and use of the word Antarctica! That's a good start...

First of all, nobody claims that Antarctica does not exist.  We simply disagree about its shape, genius.

Secondly, taking a guided tour of something will not tell the shape of it, dummy.

And finally, you are not allowed to just go there and do whatever you want.  There is a treaty signed by the major nations of the world, idiot. 

What next?  Are you going to claim the flat Earthers don't believe that mouse traps exist, and try to use that made up gibberish to prove that the Earth is round? 

You are hilarious.  Truly. You "argue about its shape?!" You're joking, right? Your army of about 100 followers can continue to pursue this quest ad infinitum and will live out your confused lives in despair and not having had any impact on other people.  You have provided not one ounce of proof that the earth is flat.  Since I already am convince that the earth is round I need no reason to fly over the south pole.  I am offering you a challenge to buy a ticket and fly from Australia over the continent of Antarctica and directly over the south pole...then you can come back with your photos of the magical barrier you claim exists at the edge of the planet.  Come on, here's your chance because no one otherwise cares about what you're spouting although this is highly stimulating pushing your buttons...

You are hilarious.  Truly. You "argue about its shape?!" You're joking, right? Your army of about 100 followers can continue to pursue this quest ad infinitum and will live out your confused lives in despair and not having had any impact on other people.  You have provided not one ounce of proof that the earth is flat.  Since I already am convince that the earth is round I need no reason to fly over the south pole.  I am offering you a challenge to buy a ticket and fly from Australia over the continent of Antarctica and directly over the south pole...then you can come back with your photos of the magical barrier you claim exists at the edge of the planet.  Come on, here's your chance because no one otherwise cares about what you're spouting although this is highly stimulating pushing your buttons...

What flight flys across Antarctica directly over the south pole?  Are you just making stuff up again, or is this one of those college myths that people hear and try to pass them off as facts? 

"Vinson Massif (/ˈvɪnsən mæˈsiːf/) is a large mountain massif that is 21 km (13 mi) long and 13 km (8.1 mi) wide and lies within the Sentinel Range of the Ellsworth Mountains. It overlooks the Ronne Ice Shelf near the base of the Antarctic Peninsula. The massif is located about 1,200 kilometres (750 mi) from the South Pole." 78°35’S, 85°25’W. Part of the Sentinel Range and 1200km (746 miles) from the South Pole.  If is NOT 40 miles from the coast. 

Here is a visual for you:  http://prnt.sc/a6kja8

The red marker is the Ellsworth Mountains.  The color blue represents water.  40 miles between the two.   

Are you claiming this map representation is wrong?

Quote from: Woody on February 19, 2016, 01:07:20 PM

Lies, people only think the were at the South Pole, pictures/videos are fake, people who actually made it were killed or silenced to conceal the truth, people assumed the Earth was round and never went looking for the edge, the Antarctic Treaty means there are over 30 nations guarding the wall preventing anyone from going, etc.
There is a FE model with two poles and so Antarctica existing as we know it on a RE model so it is not proof the Earth is round.
Pretty much all the arguments I have heard about this.  No evidence you can produce will prove otherwise, similar to pictures from any space agency.

Are you serious or just trying to ridicule the Flat Earth? You are doing a pretty good job of the latter, so I wonder!

Yes, we all know by now that any evidence against the Flat Earth is pure lies and faked.

I don't believe that even many Flat Earthers really believe this rubbish about "30 nations guarding the wall" anymore.

Otherwise why would there be FEers pushing the DUT (whatever that is?) and as you say the "Bi-polar" model.

No, I suppose that the existence of the South Pole does not prove a globe, but when that alternatives are ridiculous maps like the bi-polar one that has so many holes you could drive a team of horses through.

No, by far the simplest is the tried and true Heliocentric Globe Earth! Much less magic (none) needed!

you looks like a  Christian who still believes in God but admitted that the creation in seven days is stupid.
do you really believe in all this flat thing??

Quote from: odvetnik_irsic on February 21, 2016, 01:33:00 PM

Antarctica is well traveled...not by the military but by thousands of mountaineers who have visited the Vinson Masiff over the years. My friend climbed the Vinson Massif that is well within the confines of the continent and well beyond your so-call Ice Wall.  And guess what, from the top all that he could see is an endless expanse of mountains and ice sheets...since he flew there from Patagonia, there is NO DOUBT that he traveled to Antarctica. Case closed. 

Who said nobody has ever been to Antarctica?  Oh, is this another of your roundy lies that you people like to pretend to believe that flat Earth claim? 

Read my previous e-mail. It's straight from the Flat Earth Wiki.LOL

Rowbotham said he'd been to Antarctica, seen  it  and he  knew all about the ice wall. Don't you believe your illustrious leader and founder ? ROFLOL

Yes.....Many people have been to the Continent of Antarctica but no person has ever been to the Ice Wall.

Now who's pretending  ? ......The tourists or Rowbotham ?

Or for that matter, who are The Great Pretenders ?....
"Round Earthers" ?.....
or....
"Flat Earthers" ?

IMHO it is indeed a very difficult task to not ridicule the Flat Earth Society who believe in something written in the year of 1850 in this year of 2016 .

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"Vinson Massif (/ˈvɪnsən mæˈsiːf/) is a large mountain massif that is 21 km (13 mi) long and 13 km (8.1 mi) wide and lies within the Sentinel Range of the Ellsworth Mountains. It overlooks the Ronne Ice Shelf near the base of the Antarctic Peninsula. The massif is located about 1,200 kilometres (750 mi) from the South Pole." 78°35’S, 85°25’W. Part of the Sentinel Range and 1200km (746 miles) from the South Pole.  If is NOT 40 miles from the coast. 

Here is a visual for you:  http://prnt.sc/a6kja8

The red marker is the Ellsworth Mountains.  The color blue represents water.  40 miles between the two.   

Are you claiming this map representation is wrong?

Quote from some previous comments about the map from some flat earthers.:
"It's just a  pretty drawing drawn by NASA Artists."

Quote from: Silicon on February 22, 2016, 08:30:35 AM

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"Vinson Massif (/ˈvɪnsən mæˈsiːf/) is a large mountain massif that is 21 km (13 mi) long and 13 km (8.1 mi) wide and lies within the Sentinel Range of the Ellsworth Mountains. It overlooks the Ronne Ice Shelf near the base of the Antarctic Peninsula. The massif is located about 1,200 kilometres (750 mi) from the South Pole." 78°35’S, 85°25’W. Part of the Sentinel Range and 1200km (746 miles) from the South Pole.  If is NOT 40 miles from the coast. 

Here is a visual for you:  http://prnt.sc/a6kja8

The red marker is the Ellsworth Mountains.  The color blue represents water.  40 miles between the two.   

Are you claiming this map representation is wrong?

Quote from some previous comments about the map from some flat earthers.:
"It's just a  pretty drawing drawn by NASA Artists."

lol, pretty much.

The whole lot of your are 100% nuts.  Yes you can take a chartered flight OVER THE MAGNETIC SOUTH POLE.  Says so on their site: http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/  Yes, doubt it all you want but until you sit yourself on that plane and document the so-called fallacies keep your mouth shut.  Discounting opportunities to prove us all wrong with empty arguments is a pathetic approach.  Enjoy the Tripadvisor reviews: https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attraction_Review-g4357995-d3830236-Reviews-Antarctica_Flights-Cheltenham_Bayside_Greater_Melbourne_Victoria.html

And whomever claimed that the Vinson Massif is only 40km from the coast is high on glue.  "Vinson Massif (/ˈvɪnsən mæˈsiːf/) is a large mountain massif that is 21 km (13 mi) long and 13 km (8.1 mi) wide and lies within the Sentinel Range of the Ellsworth Mountains. It overlooks the Ronne Ice Shelf near the base of the Antarctic Peninsula."  The Vinson Massif is ONLY PART of the Ellsworth Mountains that extend 300km. 

Based on research, that we have conducted in the past, it appears that the (flat) Earth's magnetic poles cause compasses and navigational equipment to go haywire, thus leading explorers to move around the rim of the Ice Wall, this causeing them to believe that they are actually on a continent, but their Round Earth conditioning causeing them to believe it. Hope that helped

What "Research!?" Have you ever heard of a sextant or the term "dead reckoning?" There is no such thing as "research" unless it is directly observable; what you have proposed is insanity. I highly suggest you go and visit the continent yourself. 

Based on research, that we have conducted in the past, it appears that the (flat) Earth's magnetic poles cause compasses and navigational equipment to go haywire, thus leading explorers to move around the rim of the Ice Wall, this causeing them to believe that they are actually on a continent, but their Round Earth conditioning causeing them to believe it. Hope that helped

  "Hope that helped" 
Well! No, I hope that you are being sarcastic with these comments, as I find it hard to believe that anyone in the day and age could be so ignorant!
Well I would guess that your research has been precisely NIL!

I suppose it could be possible that a (flat) Earth's magnetic poles cause compasses and navigational equipment to go haywire, but on the REAL earth, while magnetic compasses do have large declinations and inclinations they have been and still are used in navigation around the island continent of Antarctica, including at the South Pole!
I suspect that this is a little more factual that your statement!

from: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/living-and-working/stations/mawson/this-week-at-mawson/2013/1-november-2013/2
Navigation in Antarctica
In the days before Global Positioning Satellites, or GPS, were invented, land navigation in Antarctica was a real challenge. Magnetic compasses, sun compasses, sextants, and dead reckoning were all used by the Antarctic traveller, but each method had its own unique drawbacks. Even modern day GPS can have problems

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Magnetic compasses must be modified for use in high polar latitudes by re-weighting the needle

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Just note!
How do you find the Geographic South Pole? Well here are a few selections from how Amundsen's team did it.

From: http://www.southpolestation.com/trivia/igy1/polesurvey1.html
Roald Amundsen arrived in the general vicinity of Pole on the afternoon of 14 December 1911, traveling from grid south.

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

When their sledge meters indicated they should be at the right place, they stopped at the location marked "Sledge" on the map at right (from The South Pole) to determine their position more accurately from sun shots.

The article tells in detail how the finally determined the location using sun shots with their sextants.

Since they had 24 hour sunlight, they had to rely on sun not star sightings.
At that time of the year (almost at the summer solstice - Dec 14,15) the sun appears to rotate around the horizon at an elevation 20° of so.

Research?  Really?  Heck, my challenge still stands. Get your Flat Earthers on the tourist flights out of OZ and go fly over the south pole yourselves.  Now there's research...or you can do what all the other explorers did...went there themselves.  Heck if you don't want to pay $30k, then self-finance your own expedition... Geeeeeeez!  If it's just an icewall or if you claim that the men in black will thwart your attempts then it should be easily proven.  My guess is that you'd die of frost bite and exhaustion somewhere half way to the south pole...

They will never find the ice wall, 7 billion people, millions of pilots and boats travel the earth daily, Airliners, Engineering firms, all governments, space agencies, satellite tv agencies, soldiers protecting the wall, ALL OF THEM part of this conspiracy! And yet NOT 1 single photo of this giant ice wall! WTF!?

Get real people!

Folks, keep in mind one very important thing... Why is there an Antarctica/"wall" conspiracy in the first place?

The FE Society and models NEED it so they can place the N.Pole in the middle of their model. If there is no conspiracy, you can put the S.Pole in the middle. (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65369.0)

As the N.Pole model can not have the S. Celestial Pole (SCP) as a single point (but a 50,000+ mi circle along the ground in Antarctica), the single disk FE model is 100% flawed. You can not have pictures like these on the FE model (Dual Earth Fantasy/model to the rescue). The SCP is due south of an observer's location. On a FE, the stars above the SCP to above your head, would need to be between you and the S.Pole. The stars below the SCP, would need to be on the other side of the Earth!!! How do you see those?