Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2016, 06:16:24 PM »
I love to see threads where supposed "moderators" derail the thread into nonsense.

Jroa cannot provide an accurate flat earth map, so he decides to derail the thread instead. Seen it happen numerous times, and quite frankly it is pathetic. It has become painfully obvious to me the administrator does not care about the quality of this board.

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2016, 06:36:33 PM »
I love to see threads where supposed "moderators" derail the thread into nonsense.

Jroa cannot provide an accurate flat earth map, so he decides to derail the thread instead. Seen it happen numerous times, and quite frankly it is pathetic. It has become painfully obvious to me the administrator does not care about the quality of this board.
::) Yes fancy jroa having the nerve to go and get married, just to derail the thread!  ::)
:'( Sorry, couldn't resist that!  :'(

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2016, 01:47:42 AM »
I love to see threads where supposed "moderators" derail the thread into nonsense.

Jroa cannot provide an accurate flat earth map, so he decides to derail the thread instead. Seen it happen numerous times, and quite frankly it is pathetic. It has become painfully obvious to me the administrator does not care about the quality of this board.
::) Yes fancy jroa having the nerve to go and get married, just to derail the thread!  ::)
:'( Sorry, couldn't resist that!  :'(

Well, to be fair, I have some opinions about a guy getting married on Friday and then spends his honeymoon spouting nonsense on a forum.

But maybe that's just me.
Only thing round in FE is its circular logic.

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2016, 01:53:36 AM »
The jealousy is so thick, I need rubber boots to wade through it. 

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2016, 01:55:10 AM »
Congratulations, and best wishes for long happy life together.

Congratulations jroa!!

Thanks!

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2016, 02:17:52 AM »

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2016, 10:33:18 AM »
I love to see threads where supposed "moderators" derail the thread into nonsense.

Jroa cannot provide an accurate flat earth map, so he decides to derail the thread instead. Seen it happen numerous times, and quite frankly it is pathetic. It has become painfully obvious to me the administrator does not care about the quality of this board.

Here's the thing, at this point it's pretty safe to say that jroa doesn't buy into any of this flat earth nonsense and just likes to troll. So his posts are just noise.

Also, congratulations on getting on getting married jroa!
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2016, 09:16:39 AM »
Here's the thing, at this point it's pretty safe to say that jroa doesn't buy into any of this flat earth nonsense and just likes to troll. So his posts are just noise.

Also, congratulations on getting on getting married jroa!

Unless...he DIDN'T get married, and this is his most masterful derailment yet, derailing us from his earlier derailment?!?  :o :o

In either case, Congratulations to you, Jroa!  ;D

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2016, 02:21:39 PM »
Here's the thing, at this point it's pretty safe to say that jroa doesn't buy into any of this flat earth nonsense and just likes to troll. So his posts are just noise.

Also, congratulations on getting on getting married jroa!

Unless...he DIDN'T get married, and this is his most masterful derailment yet, derailing us from his earlier derailment?!?  :o :o

In either case, Congratulations to you, Jroa!  ;D

Claiming to have gotten married just to derail a thread would be particularly loathsome.  It's possible I guess but if he wants to debase himself that way it's on him not us so still I say congratulations.
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2016, 02:27:07 PM »
How about the flat earthers draw a mapmof the flat earth?

That'll show us roundies good.

(Had to bring it back on topic)
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2016, 05:23:42 PM »
How about the flat earthers draw a mapmof the flat earth?

That'll show us roundies good.

(Had to bring it back on topic)

You've never seen a map of the Earth?  Did you lose your eyesight as a baby? 

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2016, 07:00:25 PM »
How about the flat earthers draw a mapmof the flat earth?

That'll show us roundies good.

(Had to bring it back on topic)

You've never seen a map of the Earth?  Did you lose your eyesight as a baby?

We've seen plenty of maps, but they all seem to be various projections of the Globe Earth, strange that - even those "flat" Rand McNally ones, Robinson projection, I believe.

But, we've never seen a map of the Flat Earth. Every time we criticise what is in the Wiki, we get told "but that is not the official map!"

Then dig a bit and what do we find?
Is it this?

A Modern Flat Earth Map
   
Or is it this?

Michael Wilmore's Flat Earth Map

Both of these are just Azimuthal Equidistant Projections of the Globe!

If these maps do not represent the flat earth, why not delete them?

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2016, 07:04:17 PM »
We've seen plenty of maps

Then, why do you keep demanding that we show you more? 

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2016, 08:43:49 PM »
We've seen plenty of maps

Then, why do you keep demanding that we show you more?

Maybe to finally find some map that shows the real shape of Australia?
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2016, 01:34:21 AM »
We've seen plenty of maps

Then, why do you keep demanding that we show you more?

Why do you insist the world is flat if you can't even show an accurate map of it?
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2016, 03:02:21 AM »
We've seen plenty of maps

Then, why do you keep demanding that we show you more?

Because when we say that some aspect flat of Earth map doesn't match reality, you in particular claim, "But there is no official Flat Earth Map!"

As far as I can tell, those maps are not even in the Wiki. I had to dig a bit to find them.

Or, do you mean that there is now "An official Flat Earth map"?

Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2016, 02:40:49 AM »
Never can be, and never will be a flat earth map that shows consistent time zones and actual true distances especially in Australia, Southern Africa and Southern parts of South America. There will also never be a model using a Flat Earth map that will correctly give Southern Hemisphere hours of sunlight during, say, December, especially the 24 hour sun at bases in Antarctica. FE'ers will always either shun these questions, or say something silly like "the data is wrong". You will never win with them.

Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #77 on: November 22, 2016, 02:24:23 PM »
Sydney, 17 Nov 2016-19:38 (7:38pm Sydney local time - Sunset)

The Sun is over Madagascar, verifiable multiple ways, here is one or any sky almanac:



Meanwhile, over in Sydney the Sun is setting at an azimuth 246° -- well South of due West.



As confirmed by Wolfie6020 in his recent post:

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And the issue with the Flat Earth map becomes glaringly obvious...



And while you could utterly distort the map to map this ONE case work you would just break others.

Flat Earth is a flat out joke.

Individual errors on a map are not what we are concerned with -- we are concerned with the general character and accuracy of the map.  Can it even place major cities in their relative positions and distances.  The Flat Earth map cannot.

Meanwhile there are millions of measurements against current Globe-based maps every day.  From Flights to commercial trucks to commercial ships to on-demand transportation the GLOBE-based maps are put to the test and pass that test.

Stellarium and Celestial use spherical math to chart the movements of the planets, their moons, our moon, asteroids, thousands of satellites, and millions of stars (and yes the STARS MOVE - Barnard's Star has moved substantially *RELATIVE TO THE OTHER STARS* in just the past 30 years.  They move EXACTLY as much as expected given their great distances.  And it works extremely well and the ENTIRETY of those millions of observations is built around a single Truth -- bodies of mass mutually attract.

All of it, explained by that one principle.

Meanwhile - Flat Earthers can't manage a SIMPLE flat map of their supposedly flat world and can't even get a simple sunset right...

Flat Earth simply lies about pretty much everything.   It's shameful.

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #78 on: November 22, 2016, 04:32:40 PM »
I think of we put our heads together and bent physics a little we could make an "accurate" flat map using the premise of non euclidean space on a flat surface, Things may look distorted but we could explain that away if a (edit for Rab; right angle) triangle of sides 3 and 4 doesn't have to have a third side of 5 on a flat earth.

Would be a fun thought experiment IMO.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2016, 06:31:04 PM »
I think of we put our heads together and bent physics a little we could make an "accurate" flat map using the premise of non euclidean space on a flat surface, Things may look distorted but we could explain that away if a triangle of sides 3 and 4 doesn't have to have a third side of 5 on a flat earth.

Would be a fun thought experiment IMO.
You need to get Jane on side with her "non-Euclidean space hat on".

But a 3,4,5 side triangle is no problem. It just won't have a right-angle where you might have expected.

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2016, 06:55:24 PM »
I think of we put our heads together and bent physics a little we could make an "accurate" flat map using the premise of non euclidean space on a flat surface, Things may look distorted but we could explain that away if a triangle of sides 3 and 4 doesn't have to have a third side of 5 on a flat earth.

Would be a fun thought experiment IMO.
You need to get Jane on side with her "non-Euclidean space hat on".

But a 3,4,5 side triangle is no problem. It just won't have a right-angle where you might have expected.

Lol, did I forget to say right angle triangle?

Good pick you got me.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2016, 11:37:51 PM »
Because there is nothing perfect in this world.
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #82 on: November 23, 2016, 10:46:14 AM »
Because there is nothing perfect in this world.
Where is your map you've been working on?

Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2016, 01:48:39 AM »
Gleason's Map is it.

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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2016, 04:00:58 AM »
Gleason's Map is it.
Showing you ignorance again, I see.

 :P Sure!  :P Gleason's map is simply a North Polar Equidistant Azimuthal Projection of the Globe.
And like all projections of the globe it has known distortions.
In this case mainly grossly distorted distances in the East-West direction, starting from no error right at the North Pole to being 57% too wide at the equator and massively increasing as the South Pole is approached.

The Gleason's Map never pretended to be a "Flat Earth Map". Look what it says on the actual map:

On the map itself, it states:
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GLEASON’S
NEW STANDARD MAP OF THE WORLD
ON THE PROJECTION OF J. S. CHRISTOPHER,
MODERN COLLEGE, BLACKHEATH, ENGLAND
SCIENTIFICALLY AND PRACTICALLY CORRECT
AS “IT IS”
All projections of the globe must have distortions of some sort and some measurements that are maintained accurately.
An "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection" has the properties that all bearings and distances from its centre to any point on the Globe are correct.
Because of this property, it is popular with radio amateurs because it gives the direction and distance to the receiving station.

But the Gleason's Map tends to be claimed by Flat Earthers because it seems the same projection as their UN map and "Rowbotham's map".

EARTH NOT A GLOBE  Fig. 54: Diagram of the earth's surface

Still if you like to carry on believing your fiction, so be it!

Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2016, 07:47:03 AM »
I have to admit that the mention of "Sandy Island" baffles me.  I went to Wikipedia to find out about and discovered there are about a dozen very real places called Sandy Island.  If there was an "imaginary" place, somebody should be more specific about which maps had it and where.  I will point out that some reefs, atolls, and islands pop up or disappear over the course of time, as for example the result of avulsion, erosion, hurricanes, etc., so the mere fact that an island was mapped at some point and later not found  (or did not appear on old maps and now is mapped) is not proof of an error.

The point that there is not an "official" Flat Earth map is very telling.  It's not a question of "official".  In the matter of globes that supposedly represent a Round Earth, there is no "official" globe - not the Replogle, nor Rand McNally, nor even National Geographic - but all the globes closely resemble each other in layout.  If the Earth is really flat, then a map of it on an equally flat piece of paper should should pretty much show the layout with no distortion in shape or directions and the only math involved is the scale (say, one inch equal ten thousand miles) .... and every other map on flat paper of the flat earth would closely resemble each other.  No such agreement in FE maps.  The excuse is they're not "official".  But a map of the Flat Earth, to be accurate, should show where The Edge is - and it would be in every direction if you go far enough;  it's not even clear if The Edge is a perfect circle or a rectangle or a square or a polygon or something with jagged edges.  Nor where it is, at any point at all; what is clear is that it positively cannot be in Antarctica because plenty of ships have completely circumnavigated Antarctica.

Now it seems to me that PROVING that the Earth is Flat requires a map that is, if not perfect, at least fairly accurate about such a crucial detail as the location of The Edge.  That the FES is still using a 19th century map (based on 17th century math) in the 21st century, with absolutely no further information about the location of The Edge, is Very Revealing.
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2016, 10:19:37 AM »
Gleason's Map is it.
Showing you ignorance again, I see.

 :P Sure!  :P Gleason's map is simply a North Polar Equidistant Azimuthal Projection of the Globe.
And like all projections of the globe it has known distortions.
In this case mainly grossly distorted distances in the East-West direction, starting from no error right at the North Pole to being 57% too wide at the equator and massively increasing as the South Pole is approached.

The Gleason's Map never pretended to be a "Flat Earth Map". Look what it says on the actual map:

On the map itself, it states:
Quote
GLEASON’S
NEW STANDARD MAP OF THE WORLD
ON THE PROJECTION OF J. S. CHRISTOPHER,
MODERN COLLEGE, BLACKHEATH, ENGLAND
SCIENTIFICALLY AND PRACTICALLY CORRECT
AS “IT IS”
All projections of the globe must have distortions of some sort and some measurements that are maintained accurately.
An "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection" has the properties that all bearings and distances from its centre to any point on the Globe are correct.
Because of this property, it is popular with radio amateurs because it gives the direction and distance to the receiving station.

But the Gleason's Map tends to be claimed by Flat Earthers because it seems the same projection as their UN map and "Rowbotham's map".

EARTH NOT A GLOBE  Fig. 54: Diagram of the earth's surface

Still if you like to carry on believing your fiction, so be it!

I don't think you have any clue whatsoever about what you write. You just parrot what your handlers tell you.

Gleason's is a flat earth map. Nautical miles fit perfectly. And the land masses encompass the proper degrees of latitude and longitude as they would transcribe across a flat plane sitting beneath an encompassing firmament.


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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2016, 10:35:03 AM »
I've got a map  ;D

Using a metric I've derived before on this forum:

The Earth is defined by the x and y axes, with the North Pole (for the sake of tradition) at 0, and the South at infinity. An infinite plane is used so that if you reach the South, you can come out the far side. Once the metric is used, the distance shouldn't actually be infinite. This is just our set.
Longitude is 0 along the line y=0, latitude is zero on the circle of radius 1 centred at the North pole.

Now then, our spectacularly awful looking metric. For points P1=(x1,y1), P2 = (x2,y2):

[jsTex]d(P_1,P_2) = \cos^{-1} \left( \sin \left(\tan^{-1} \left(\frac{x_1^2 + y_1^2 -1}{2x_1} \right) \right) \sin \left(\tan^{-1} \left(\frac{x_2^2 + y_2^2 -1}{2x_2} \right) \right) +\cos \left(\tan^{-1} \left(\frac{x_1^2 + y_1^2 -1}{2x_1} \right) \right) \cos \left(\tan^{-1} \left(\frac{x_2^2 + y_2^2 -1}{2x_2} \right) \right) \cos \left|\tan^{-1} \left( \frac{y_1}{x_1}  \right) - \tan^{-1} \left( \frac{y_2}{x_2} \right) \right| \right)[/jsTex]

The following map gives over half the Earth. The rest can be extended out, but it grows in size.



But remember, we're in non-Euclidean space so you have to calculate distances with the above metric.
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2016, 03:13:07 PM »
Because there is nothing perfect in this world.
Where is your map you've been working on?

It is about finish, it is perfect.

I'm not finishing it by the idea of don't loose the control on it. I know the hungry crocodiles are waiting for it to eat. If we lost control of it, may prevent us from using copyright laws. I do not need to score my own goal with my own working.

I wrote that reason on same topic.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=68183.msg1840185#msg1840185
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Re: Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?
« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2016, 05:53:47 PM »
But remember, we're in non-Euclidean space so you have to calculate distances with the above metric.

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