Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?

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I don't care anymore. I came here with open mind in a hope of good discussion. I made 3 proof about the earth is not flat. Your (especially jroa) reply was only a personal attack. The whole site is just a joke with tons of trolls. The flat earth case is closed for me! Best of regards!
PS:
Most people here trying to prove his argument with the statement he is an Engineer! I don't even care if you called Albert Einstein or Nicola Tesla if you can't prove your argument!
In the beginning God said: “div D = ρ, div B = 0, curl E = - ðB/ðt, curl H = J + ðD/ðt,”
and there was light.


If you don't understand this quote then you aren't a real engineer! Nowadays everyone can get a degree what a shame!

I don't care anymore. I came here with open mind in a hope of good discussion. I made 3 proof about the earth is not flat. Your (especially jroa) reply was only a personal attack. The whole site is just a joke with tons of trolls. The flat earth case is closed for me! Best of regards!
PS:
Most people here trying to prove his argument with the statement he is an Engineer! I don't even care if you called Albert Einstein or Nicola Tesla if you can't prove your argument!
In the beginning God said: “div D = ρ, div B = 0, curl E = - ðB/ðt, curl H = J + ðD/ðt,”
and there was light.
 If you don't understand this quote then you aren't a real engineer! Nowadays everyone can get a degree what a shame!

That video is exactly the information I have been trying for a long time to get across - maybe it needed pretty pictures.
Now if some moderator can move this to "The Flat Earth Society » Flat Earth Discussion Boards » Flat Earth Debate" we can have a proper debate.

The video actually tells you that the FEers cannot show a perfect FE map but this is not the same as proving that the earth is not flat, altho it comes very close.

The simple fact is that the FEers cannot show you an accurate FE map, they also cannot show you the positive proof of a flat earth, namely the Edge.  And it ought to be easy because the edge should be in ANY direction if you go far enough.  They'll give you lamer and lamer excuses as we go further into the 21st century and are able to penetrate further into the depths of the African jungle or the South American jungle or fly farther on faster jets.  If they showed us the Edge they'd make a million converts that very day.

Proof comes when you try to map complete band of sub-solar points.

They all must be between Cancer Tropic and Capricorn Tropic
and they all must match Globe model.

Then try to measure distances in Flat model and to compre them with reality.
LOL

In the beginning God said: “div D = ρ, div B = 0, curl E = - ðB/ðt, curl H = J + ðD/ðt,”
and there was light.

Sounds like the god had a speech impediment.

Quote from: cucu99 on February 17, 2016, 10:10:47 PM

In the beginning God said: “div D = ρ, div B = 0, curl E = - ðB/ðt, curl H = J + ðD/ðt,”
and there was light.

Sounds like the god had a speech impediment.

Try THIS.

Speaking of propagation of electromagnetic wave through vacuum:
Magnetic field can induse electric field only by change, not by presence.
By increase or decrease in intensity.

That is why while in one point electric field grows,
it induces growing magnetic field in next point,
which induces electric field in next,
that induces magnetic in next,
and so on...

If it hapens at frequencies of 400-750 THz, then the electromagnetic wave is visible light.
If it is slower, then the light is infra-red.
If it is faster, then it is ultra-violet.
Faster than that are X and Gamma rays.

Like, for example, HERE.

If I may, I'll put the video into my own words -- which may differ from the original.  But here is the essence of the argument:

To a fairly high degree of accuracy (for the sake of argument let's say only within +/- ONE THOUSAND kilometers), the distance from North Pole to Equator is known to be 10,002 km and the equatorial radius is 40,075 km.  Does any Flat Earther have any other values they can substantiate as being the ACTUAL values, again +/- 1000 km -- (HUGE margin of error, should be easy)?

By trivial geometry we know that a circle with a radius of 10,002 km would have a circumference in the range of 62,844.4 km -- That is IMPOSSIBLY too Large for Earth.  Even if you think that π is 3 that STILL makes it 60,012 km around.  You CANNOT make this fit.

Conversely, a circle with a circumference of 40,075 km would have a radius of just 6,378.13 km -- IMPOSSIBLY too Small for Earth.

Therefore the Earth simply cannot be flat if these measurements are anywhere even CLOSE to the actual values.

Of course, I don't expect any Flat Earther to accept simple geometry - it's not in their nature to allow facts to get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.  NASA IS LYING ABOUT THE DISTANCES!  NASA IS PROJECTING A CHEMTRAIL HOLOGRAM INTO YOUR BRAIN.  Ok fine -- believe whatever you what but know this -- the rest of us are pointing and laughing.  Of course, that just PROVES you are right - right?

This is actually a very simple and elegant demonstration, well done OP!

1)  The globe map in the video is already distorted/false/fake/a lie/innacurate/not real
2)  The end.

1)  The globe map in the video is already distorted/false/fake/a lie/innacurate/not real
2)  The end.

And it had better have the correct shape and dimensions of Australia and the correct distances between the Southern Hemisphere continents.

The correct distance pole to pole and around the equator would be good, those are well known and have been for centuries, long before your Nemesis, NASA, came on the scene!

1)  The globe map in the video is already distorted/false/fake/a lie/innacurate/not real
2)  The end.

Distances between places are measured and published.
It is not very hard to use triangulation to shape the ground surface.

In real life circumference of:
- Tropic of Cancer is roughly 23 000 miles,
- Equator is roughly 25 000 miles,
- Tropic of Capricorn is 23 000 miles.

When you try to draw it, including the map band between them,
it can be up to scale on globe, and on plane can not.

Geodesy and Triangulation made possible to know the real shape of
the ground we walk on, and sea we sail and swim.

When did you measure these distances?

When did you measure these distances?

Our maps are based on these measurements. Flight times prove they are correct.

Can you point to a single instance on any current map that is not accurate?

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2016, 12:48:56 PM

When did you measure these distances?

Our maps are based on these measurements. Flight times prove they are correct.

Can you point to a single instance on any current map that is not accurate?

Sandy Island.

Is Sandy Island... still on our maps?

I dare you to go to Google Maps right now...

For how many years did Sandy Island populate the round Earth maps?

For how many years did Sandy Island populate the round Earth maps?

So you are saying that there was a mistake in the maps. And that mistake was discovered by testing its accuracy. And then the maps were corrected?

That's great! Now we have an even better map!

That's how science works. We have a model, we test it, and if it does not fit, we adjust the model.

Now, in all fairness, I never heard of Sandy Island before this thread. I think it is extremely cool and funny that such a mistake slipped by map-makers for so long.

Thanks for showing me something very interesting, even though that most likely was not your intention :-)

YOU SHILLS ARE TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?

--- because "perfect" maps do not exist. 


Message to sane, marginally intelligent and honest true-earthers: 
Map-makers deliberately inserted fake details or "artifacts" into their maps as water-marks for copy-right purposes.  They could prove somebody copied their original research/map if the copy-cat mistakenly copied the artifact.
This is common knowledge in the map-making industry. 

This is how terrible the globullist shills are because they really think their audience is as ignorant and stupid as themselves. 

YOU SHILLS ARE TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

Quote from: cucu99 on February 17, 2016, 08:27:31 AM

Why FE believers never will show you a perfect map?

--- because "perfect" maps do not exist. 


Message to sane, marginally intelligent and honest true-earthers: 
Map-makers deliberately inserted fake details or "artifacts" into their maps as water-marks for copy-right purposes.  They could prove somebody copied their original research/map if the copy-cat mistakenly copied the artifact.
This is common knowledge in the map-making industry. 

This is how terrible the globullist shills are because they really think their audience is as ignorant and stupid as themselves.

Yes, I am a shill, I work for Satan, and yes I am part of the conspiracy. And even though you know I am what I am, you cannot provide a map of the flat earth that's even within 10% accuracy.

Our fake Globe map much more accurate than that. As proven by flight times and other observations.

So provide a reasonably accurate map of the Flat Earth where the distance between all continents confirms to all observations, so I can inform Satan that his plan has failed.

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2016, 02:32:53 PM

For how many years did Sandy Island populate the round Earth maps?

So you are saying that there was a mistake in the maps. And that mistake was discovered by testing its accuracy. And then the maps were corrected?

That's great! Now we have an even better map!

That's how science works. We have a model, we test it, and if it does not fit, we adjust the model.

Now, in all fairness, I never heard of Sandy Island before this thread. I think it is extremely cool and funny that such a mistake slipped by map-makers for so long.

Thanks for showing me something very interesting, even though that most likely was not your intention :-)

You asked for a single inaccuracy and I provided one. 

Quote from: Omega on August 27, 2016, 02:50:29 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2016, 02:32:53 PM

For how many years did Sandy Island populate the round Earth maps?

So you are saying that there was a mistake in the maps. And that mistake was discovered by testing its accuracy. And then the maps were corrected?

That's great! Now we have an even better map!

That's how science works. We have a model, we test it, and if it does not fit, we adjust the model.

Now, in all fairness, I never heard of Sandy Island before this thread. I think it is extremely cool and funny that such a mistake slipped by map-makers for so long.

Thanks for showing me something very interesting, even though that most likely was not your intention :-)

You asked for a single inaccuracy and I provided one.

True. You did that. Thanks. I enjoy discovering new things.

Can you now provide a reasonably accurate map of the flat Earth? Or at least a reason why no such thing seem to exist?

So provide a reasonably accurate map of the Flat Earth ...

How much is it worth to you? 
Make an offer. 

No sane man would give you what you demand for free. 
Do you think I am crazy?? 

I thought you said there was no money to be made by proving FE?
 

I thought you said there was no money to be made by proving FE?
 

You might as well give it up Omega.
Why is there no flat earth map ? Because there is no flat earth.

I thought you said there was no money to be made by proving FE?
 

You are proving that right now. 

Not willing to make an offer, are you??   
You want a perfect map for free???  YOU SHILLS ARE TERRIBLE!!!  No potato for you! 

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2016, 03:18:54 PM

Quote from: Omega on August 27, 2016, 02:50:29 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2016, 02:32:53 PM

For how many years did Sandy Island populate the round Earth maps?

So you are saying that there was a mistake in the maps. And that mistake was discovered by testing its accuracy. And then the maps were corrected?

That's great! Now we have an even better map!

That's how science works. We have a model, we test it, and if it does not fit, we adjust the model.

Now, in all fairness, I never heard of Sandy Island before this thread. I think it is extremely cool and funny that such a mistake slipped by map-makers for so long.

Thanks for showing me something very interesting, even though that most likely was not your intention :-)

You asked for a single inaccuracy and I provided one.

True. You did that. Thanks. I enjoy discovering new things.

Can you now provide a reasonably accurate map of the flat Earth? Or at least a reason why no such thing seem to exist?

Our maps are not reasonably close?  Perhaps you think the layout of the continents are different from our depiction?

When did you measure these distances?

Maybe you have some different measurements?

Use subsolar point finder to measure distances between meridians north and south od equator.
Then tell me the subsolar point finder is "lying".
And then explain why, out of so many people living there, nobody complains about site's "inaccuracy".

So many times more conspirators than ordinary people?
LOL

Quote from: Omega on August 27, 2016, 03:27:27 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2016, 03:18:54 PM

Quote from: Omega on August 27, 2016, 02:50:29 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2016, 02:32:53 PM

For how many years did Sandy Island populate the round Earth maps?

So you are saying that there was a mistake in the maps. And that mistake was discovered by testing its accuracy. And then the maps were corrected?

That's great! Now we have an even better map!

That's how science works. We have a model, we test it, and if it does not fit, we adjust the model.

Now, in all fairness, I never heard of Sandy Island before this thread. I think it is extremely cool and funny that such a mistake slipped by map-makers for so long.

Thanks for showing me something very interesting, even though that most likely was not your intention :-)

You asked for a single inaccuracy and I provided one.

True. You did that. Thanks. I enjoy discovering new things.

Can you now provide a reasonably accurate map of the flat Earth? Or at least a reason why no such thing seem to exist?

Our maps are not reasonably close?  Perhaps you think the layout of the continents are different from our depiction?

Where are 'your' maps?

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2016, 12:48:56 PM

When did you measure these distances?

Maybe you have some different measurements?

Use subsolar point finder to measure distances between meridians north and south od equator.
Then tell me the subsolar point finder is "lying".
And then explain why, out of so many people living there, nobody complains about site's "inaccuracy".

So many times more conspirators than ordinary people?
LOL

What does the subsolar point have to do with anything?  Are you claiming that if the Earth is flat, the sun can't be directly overhead?  In what do you base these claims?  Perhaps you are simply making crud up and trying to pass it off as evidence?