The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #810 on: April 24, 2016, 11:50:48 AM »
Funny how so many genuine 'ISS spotters' admit that it is virtually impossible to distinguish teh silly fake ISS from a high-flying plane, eh?
Really?  I didn't have any trouble distinguishing the two.

LOL!!!

You didn't even know what inertia coupling was you sad Lying freak, so STFU & GTFO.

Here's your ISS:

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Bait & Switch; oldest trick in the book...

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Really; they do.

Your sock-puppets cannot save you from this hatred; it is REAL & it is aimed at YOU.
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #811 on: April 24, 2016, 12:02:23 PM »
I know this is essentially bait, but I think it's apparent that the ISS is constantly tracked and monitored, its shape can be resolved with a powerful enough telescope, and it is just one of thousands of satellites.  I hope you've accounted for where all those planes take off and land, how they are able to move at several miles a second, and how you're somehow the first person to ever figure this out, despite your total lack of relevant knowledge or experience. 

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #812 on: April 24, 2016, 01:25:51 PM »
I know this is essentially bait

And I know you haven't read the thread.

Because if you had you'd know I'd answered all your bullshit already.

Nah; you're just another shitbox shill jumping in & throwing your strawmen around like anyone gives a fuck.

But they don't.

Hey; why don't you go inflict your worthless crapola on the Wildheretic forum?

Oh, that's right - you can't.

Because you're banned.

Because you were proven to be a boiler-room military shill entity.

In which case you'll be right at home here; markjo & Rayzor are your shill-hosts, & the mods will bend over backwards to help you out with all your shilling needs too...

I won't though.

Now STFU & GTFO my thread, Shill.

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #813 on: April 24, 2016, 01:32:05 PM »
Interesting, the specimen seems to have evolved some territorial behaviors...
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #814 on: April 24, 2016, 01:38:44 PM »
I AM PAPA LEGBA!!! HEAR ME ROAR!!!

I have heard about you, and even read some of your posts..though I thought you were banned. You certainly are an interesting character aren't you. Your uncanny perseverance with solid low brow repetitive insults without actually providing any sort of rebuttal or introducing any evidence at all is quite impressive.
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #815 on: April 24, 2016, 01:46:30 PM »
Everybody already knows I am markjo yet I carry on with the farce because I know I will never get banned. I know this because I run this forum, Again, everybody knows this too but they can't stop me. Because I run this forum. This is why nobody posts here any more except for people laughing at me.

Quite; I am laughing at you too, thus: LMFAO!!!

I am yet another sock puppet shill & everyone knows it. I will just jump into this thread & pretend all the evidence already posted never happened. I do this all the time & I am of course markjo.

Hi markjo.

Here; have this: LMFAO!!!

What a shithole this place is...
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #816 on: April 24, 2016, 02:00:56 PM »
If only I could only get markjo off my mind....if only I could really tell markjo how I really feel..if only...if only markjo and I could just be...sigh markjo

You accuse many people of being markjo....just a little research into my posts would surely show I am not markjo. Though it seems research is not your strong suit :)

However, seeing everyone is markjo to you, and he is always on your mind, you should just tell him how you feel. I think there is a Willie Nelson song that will help you with that.
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #817 on: April 24, 2016, 02:51:33 PM »
Sorry; who's defending what here now?

I've kinda lost track due to you all being completely full of shit interchangeable sock-puppets...

Ah, who cares?

Here's your ISS again:

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Runway '3' lol!
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #818 on: April 24, 2016, 02:53:46 PM »
« Last Edit: April 24, 2016, 02:57:21 PM by frenat »

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #819 on: April 24, 2016, 03:03:13 PM »
And I know you haven't read the thread.

Because if you had you'd know I'd answered all your bullshit already.
I'm pretty sure you just threw around shitty insults and avoided the question, like you are now. 
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #820 on: April 24, 2016, 03:13:30 PM »
I'm pretty sure you just threw around shitty insults and avoided the question, like you are now.
Boo-Hoo!

Read the thread then get back to me, eh?

Preferably without your baggage-load of strawmen & bullshit...

Oh; & do you get a white stallion, suit of shining armour & mighty lance as a 'defender of NASA', dickhead?

And an ostrich-plume for your gleaming helmet, maybe?

What are the perks of 'defending' a multi-billion dollar military organisation, like?

That is actually a distance remaining sign.  It indicates there are 3,000 feet remaining in that direction on the runway.

Nice that they got it in the photo though, ain't it, lying shill & prissy gaylord frenat?

Cos the number '3' has no significance whatsoever to Masons, does it?

And there are no Masons in NASA & the Military at all, are there?

Not one!

All just a big coincidence eh?

Phew! Glad we sorted that out...

You prissy lying little gaylord.

Anyhoo; ISS time again:

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IGNORE THAT 'THREE' ON THE RUNWAY! IT DOES NOT MEAN A THING! THANK YOU PLEASE!

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #821 on: April 24, 2016, 03:26:05 PM »
Ignore that 3 on the runway it doesn't mean anything

Na uh....count Dracula on sesame street told he 3 does mean something. It means a 2 was before it and a 4 is coming up
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #822 on: April 24, 2016, 03:27:54 PM »


That is actually a distance remaining sign.  It indicates there are 3,000 feet remaining in that direction on the runway.

Nice that they got it in the photo though, ain't it, lying shill & prissy gaylord frenat?

Cos the number '3' has no significance whatsoever to Masons, does it?

And there are no Masons in NASA & the Military at all, are there?

Not one!

All just a big coincidence eh?

Phew! Glad we sorted that out...

You prissy lying little gaylord.

Anyhoo; ISS time again:

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IGNORE THAT 'THREE' ON THE RUNWAY! IT DOES NOT MEAN A THING! THANK YOU PLEASE!
Wow, paranoid much?
I'll bet you can't PROVE it is anything more than a coincidence.  Especially as the majority of runways will have signs like that.  But your paranoia doesn't need proof, right?  And everybody knows you never provide proof for your assertions anyway, right?

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #823 on: April 24, 2016, 03:37:21 PM »
Poppa, if I did run this forum, why aren't you banned?
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #824 on: April 24, 2016, 03:46:53 PM »
Poppa, if I did run this forum, why aren't you banned?

If I was running the forum I would most certainly ban him for evasion, insults, paranoia, and a host of other things.
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #825 on: April 24, 2016, 04:17:39 PM »
I can not believe evryone has failed to see the evidence Papa has given.  It is really solid.

He said so.  I am confused why people keeping asking for evidence.

A sign with 3 on it could only mean one thing.  Distance to the end of the runway?  Come on that can not be right.  It is in the picture because of what ever reason Papa said it was.  I do not even need to know what he said about it, I just know it is right.

It is obvious a fixed wing craft like a gulf stream or similar can reach the speeds and altitude needed to fake the ISS.  It is obvious because PL said it.


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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #826 on: April 24, 2016, 11:10:51 PM »
LOL!!!

Another jackass sock-puppet jumps in pretending not to have read the thread...

And of course there has to be THREE of your sock-posts against ONE of mine too...

Got to make me look outnumbered eh, shill-spawn?

What a farce.

Of course, the silly fake ISS is not travelling at 17,500 mph because it is physically impossible.

Because no form of hot-gas jet propulsion system can exceed the velocity of its own exhaust gasses.

For it to do so it would have to defy all the laws of physics.

If you were capable of genuine research you would easily find one of the top engine experts in the world describing this as a 'fundamental fact' in a definitive essay on the subject.

A FUNDAMENTAL FACT.

But no; instead you come here to 'Defend NASA', as if it were some Damsel in fucking Distress rather than a multi-billion dollar secrecy-enshrouded military-industrial government mega-corp, & spam circular bullshit for page after page...

Cos that seems a completely normal thing to do & totally legit, don't it?

Again, you have no idea how fake & contrived you all come across as, do you?

The way you defend markjo, for example; he is a troll by definition & has been caught blatantly lying & sock-puppeting more times than I remember, yet has never been banned & you all stick up for him regardless.

This can only be the result of collusion & corruption from the top down.

Every neutral reader sees it; yet you cannot, somehow...

'Defenders of NASA' - LMFAO!!!

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #827 on: April 25, 2016, 05:29:00 AM »
Of course, the silly fake ISS is not travelling at 17,500 mph because it is physically impossible.

Because no form of hot-gas jet propulsion system can exceed the velocity of its own exhaust gasses.

For it to do so it would have to defy all the laws of physics.
That may be true for air breathing jet engines, but not so for rocket engines. 
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #828 on: April 25, 2016, 05:42:57 AM »
That may be true for air breathing jet engines, but not so for rocket engines.

O Rly?

Strange, that, as the general principle is exactly the same.

And as you've all argued that idea, strenuously, for page after page, it seems very odd indeed that you are now backtracking on it...

After all, according to your bullshit model, they're both 'reaction engines' (lol!).

Legba has gained a mighty Victory here; every reader will know it.

Oh, dear - what a black day for the sci-fi obsessed JREF sock-puppet Clown-Posse!
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #829 on: April 25, 2016, 06:15:37 AM »
That may be true for air breathing jet engines, but not so for rocket engines.

O Rly?

Strange, that, as the general principle is exactly the same.
Very similar, but not exactly the same.

Air breathing jets get the vast majority of their reaction mass from their environment. 

Rockets, on the other hand, carry every bit of their reaction mass,

Air breathing jets accelerate their reaction mass relative to the atmosphere.

Rockets accelerate their reaction mass relative to themselves.
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #830 on: April 25, 2016, 06:25:26 AM »
That may be true for air breathing jet engines, but not so for rocket engines.

O Rly?

Strange, that, as the general principle is exactly the same.
Very similar, but not exactly the same.

Air breathing jets get the vast majority of their reaction mass from their environment. 

Rockets, on the other hand, carry every bit of their reaction mass,

Air breathing jets accelerate their reaction mass relative to the atmosphere.

Rockets accelerate their reaction mass relative to themselves.
So you are saying that there is a limit to the flow of air through a jet engine? Makes sense, since the fuel must ignite, and if the flow is too high, I guess it would flame out due to it leaving the chamber too soon.
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #831 on: April 25, 2016, 07:03:44 AM »
That may be true for air breathing jet engines, but not so for rocket engines.

O Rly?

Strange, that, as the general principle is exactly the same.
Very similar, but not exactly the same.

Air breathing jets get the vast majority of their reaction mass from their environment. 

Rockets, on the other hand, carry every bit of their reaction mass,

Air breathing jets accelerate their reaction mass relative to the atmosphere.

Rockets accelerate their reaction mass relative to themselves.
So you are saying that there is a limit to the flow of air through a jet engine? Makes sense, since the fuel must ignite, and if the flow is too high, I guess it would flame out due to it leaving the chamber too soon.
No, I don't think that's it.  I think that it's more like a jet is accelerating stationary mass (atmosphere) while the rocket's reaction mass is already traveling at the same speed as the rocket before it's accelerated. 

I've heard it said that the ratio of reaction mass to total mass has a lot to do with it too.
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #832 on: April 25, 2016, 11:24:46 AM »
I only come here now to see how much of an idiot PL can make himself. And just when I think he can't succeed any better...
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #833 on: April 25, 2016, 12:37:56 PM »
I only come here now to see how much of an idiot PL can make himself. And just when I think he can't succeed any better...

He is pretty impressive I must say!! He is alot of fun though for a troll sometimes. Though this is coming from a sci-fi obsessed JREF sock-puppet Clown-Posse.....
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #834 on: April 25, 2016, 01:13:34 PM »
Fantastic amount of back-slapping bullshit & evasive gibberish from you shills...

Well done!

Sadly, none of it affects the FUNDAMENTAL FACT that a hot-gas jet propulsion system can never exceed the speed of its exhaust gasses.

This is kinda obvious anyway, as if it could it would violate all the laws of physics six ways from sunday...

And it also means that your silly fake ISS cannot possibly be travelling at 17,500 mph.

Couple this with the fact that an object the size of a football field cannot possibly be visible from 250 miles away & we're left with what, exactly?

Yup; you guessed it - this:

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A Gulfstream with a spotlight stuck to it.

Simple stuff, as usual.

We done here yet, losers?

Nah, course not...

You'll spam your illogical & unscientific bullshit for ever, won't you?

Because that is your nature.

Toodle-pip, natural-born liars!


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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #835 on: April 25, 2016, 01:28:38 PM »
Fantastic amount of back-slapping bullshit & evasive gibberish from you shills...

Well done!

Sadly, none of it affects the FUNDAMENTAL FACT that a hot-gas jet propulsion system can never exceed the speed of its exhaust gasses.

This is kinda obvious anyway, as if it could it would violate all the laws of physics six ways from sunday...

Which laws of physics, specifically?

And it also means that your silly fake ISS cannot possibly be travelling at 17,500 mph.

Couple this with the fact that an object the size of a football field cannot possibly be visible from 250 miles away & we're left with what, exactly?

Something the size of a football field reflecting direct sunlight could easily be seen from 250 miles.

Yup; you guessed it - this:

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A Gulfstream with a spotlight stuck to it.

Why a Gulfstream, specifically? Why not a Leer, Beechcraft or Cessna?

Funny how you say a spotlight can be seen, but not something the size of football field reflecting direct sunlight, how does that work?

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #836 on: April 25, 2016, 01:29:38 PM »
Sadly, none of it affects the FUNDAMENTAL FACT that a hot-gas jet propulsion system can never exceed the speed of its exhaust gasses.
Citation please.  If it's such a fundamental fact, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to provide a credible source that agrees with you.
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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #837 on: April 25, 2016, 01:46:36 PM »
Citation please.

LOL!!!

Nice try, but No.

I won't make your job of censoring & deletion of information any easier you creeps.

Go find it yourself.

You already know it's true though; you already admitted it in your initial Panic, idiot...

Look:

Of course, the silly fake ISS is not travelling at 17,500 mph because it is physically impossible.

Because no form of hot-gas jet propulsion system can exceed the velocity of its own exhaust gasses.

For it to do so it would have to defy all the laws of physics.
That may be true for air breathing jet engines, but not so for rocket engines. 

Told you you'd messed up bad, markjo29000; no point trying to do damage control now.

Toodle-pip, sad, sad, sad little sock-puppet shitpost King of NOTHING!

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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #838 on: April 25, 2016, 01:48:30 PM »
Lol

Nothing


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Re: The ISS is a Gulfstream jet.
« Reply #839 on: April 25, 2016, 02:12:12 PM »
Just to clarify, and this is quite easy to find, you don't have to do fake aviation work to know this. A Jet engine is just like an internal combustion engine in the sense the more air you can cram in the more fuel you can ignite. The boom gets bigger!! Every wonder why the f-16 has such monstrous intakes??? Every wonder why at just 5 percent throttle it can suck a grown man like a rag doll up if they get too close?

You ever wonder why they turbo charged a car??? More air....more fuel...more boom??

So yes.... There will be a limit to jet propulsion, just like old prop propellers are limited to sub sonic speeds so they needed to make them bigger and with more angle instead of spin faster.

However we are trying to lump rockets into this category of limited. They have their own oxidizer and fuel....they are only limited by how much fuel the injectors and pumps can flow, fuselage integrity, and rear main cap. So eventually yes rockets hit a wall, if they can not pump any more fuel, or if a material cannot be constructed to hold the combustion chamber pressure, then there is your limit. That is when the rocket gets bigger in size.

I think legba needs a hug....is that what all of this is about??

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