Why do we only see one side of the Moon?

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Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« on: January 30, 2016, 03:25:25 AM »
I've seen this question circulating around the forum for a while, but I have yet to see a good answer.
If the Moon is actually close to the Earth, and simply moving above it, then we should be able to see different sides of it. A person standing on the equator, directly above the Moon, would only see the underside. A person standing on the North Pole, however, would see a completely different side of the Moon. And yet, this isn't the case; the Moon looks the same no matter the direction on Earth you view it from. Is this not impossible on the Flat Earth?

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 04:37:38 AM »
I've seen this question circulating around the forum for a while, but I have yet to see a good answer.
If the Moon is actually close to the Earth, and simply moving above it, then we should be able to see different sides of it. A person standing on the equator, directly above the Moon, would only see the underside. A person standing on the North Pole, however, would see a completely different side of the Moon. And yet, this isn't the case; the Moon looks the same no matter the direction on Earth you view it from. Is this not impossible on the Flat Earth?
To be sure I got to the heart of the matter I looked up the Flat Earth Q&A!
It's simple really. Although people claim to see different parts of the same spherical Moon, in fact the luminescence of the Moon's surface simply shifts.
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A flat moon would certainly account for the fact that the features of the moon's face are constant regardless of the angle viewed from.  Interesting.  I'd also considered possibly a lensing effect, in the case of a sphere.
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the sun cannot shine on the moon at night. for round earthers, it's on the wrong side of the world. the moon is visible because it gives its own light, but it is similar to the sun: it is a spotlight, light coming from only one side. i have seen the aether spoken of here, and i believe that fills in the gaps in what i know, as it explains how the moon rotates so that only the illuminated side may face the earth.
These seem a bit weird to a poor ignorant Globe Earther.  Maybe I need to go back to the Flat Earth Wiki!


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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 12:05:10 PM »
Pure and utter bullshit. There are different surface features that are illuminated at different parts of the moon's cycle. You can observe the shadows cast along the terminator line from craters and mountains. Typical nonsense responses from FEers with next to no scientific knowledge.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2016, 03:25:37 PM by richaddis »

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 05:06:31 PM »
Pure and utter bullshit. There are different surface features that are illuminated at different parts of the moon's cycle. You can observe the shadows cast along the terminator line from craters and mountains. Typical nonsense responses from FEers with next to no scientific knowledge.
I agree 150%, but just note how many answers have come from "real" Flat Earthers!
I tried searching in the "Flat Earth Information Repository", and I would be embarrassed to post some of the stuff.
Maybe post it on the Q&A and see if a Flat Earther will respond.

I did see this:
Quote from: The Flat Earth Wiki
http://wiki.tfes.org/The_Phases_of_the_Moon

Why does the moon look the same to everyone?

Q: Why does the moon and the phases look the same to everyone one earth regardless of where they are?
A: It doesn't. The phase you see varies depending on your location on earth. In FET this is explained by the different observers standing on either side of the moon. On one side it is right-side up, and on the other side it is upside down.
Imagine a green arrow suspended horizontally above your head pointing to the North. Standing 50 feet to the South of the arrow it is pointing "downwards" towards the Northern horizon. Standing 50 feet to the North of the arrow, looking back at it, it points "upwards" above your head to the North. The arrow flip-flops, pointing down or away from the horizon depending on which side you stand.
The lunar phase varies depending on where you stand on a Round Earth as well. Here is the RET explanation for why the moon turns upside down when you stand on either side of it: http://web.archive.org/web/20070218184023/http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1137
The reference explains it OK, then they interpret the different orientations as different phases.
Like wow man, have these people ever looked outside or travelled?  Probably studied "Bunkum 101" at Commumity College level.  Possibly with a bit of advanced "Misinterpretation 301" - higher level!
Please don't shoot the messenger!
But, what about a genuine Flat Earth take on it?  I don't think they believe it still anyway!

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2016, 02:22:26 AM »
Jesus it's not as bad as this Flat Earth Wiki article about the colour of a Lunar Eclipse...

"The Lunar Eclipse is red because the light of the sun is shining through the edges of the Shadow Object which passes between the sun and moon during a Lunar Eclipse. The red tint occurs because the outer layers of the Shadow Object are not sufficiently dense. The Sun's light is powerful enough to shine through the outer layers of the Shadow Object, just as a flashlight is powerful enough to shine through your hand when you put it right up against your palm."

Talk about fudging together an explanation! How can they possibly draw parallels to shining a flashlight through your hand? That's a fleshy organic material with red blood cells! Is that what their "Shadow Object" is made of? If so, that's frankly, terrifying.

I would also love to know how in a Solar Eclipse, if the moon and sun are both identical sizes (32 miles in diameter I believe) then for one to obscure the other but still appear to be the same size they would have to be moving through one another... or at least very close...

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 04:33:59 AM »
Not one flat earth explanation yet. My answers so far have been dredging F&A and Information Repository.
I suspect that they might feel any answers they can give might seem ridiculous.

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2016, 08:01:01 AM »
Jesus it's not as bad as this Flat Earth Wiki article about the colour of a Lunar Eclipse...

"The Lunar Eclipse is red because the light of the sun is shining through the edges of the Shadow Object which passes between the sun and moon during a Lunar Eclipse. The red tint occurs because the outer layers of the Shadow Object are not sufficiently dense. The Sun's light is powerful enough to shine through the outer layers of the Shadow Object, just as a flashlight is powerful enough to shine through your hand when you put it right up against your palm."

Talk about fudging together an explanation! How can they possibly draw parallels to shining a flashlight through your hand? That's a fleshy organic material with red blood cells! Is that what their "Shadow Object" is made of? If so, that's frankly, terrifying.

I would also love to know how in a Solar Eclipse, if the moon and sun are both identical sizes (32 miles in diameter I believe) then for one to obscure the other but still appear to be the same size they would have to be moving through one another... or at least very close...
Also, keep in mind a few things about a Moon that is ~3000/whatever mi up:

1) The Moon has to be flat because if it was a sphere or semi-sphere, people at different locations on Earth would see it totally differently.

2) A problem is that the Moon (29′20″ – 34′6″) can be larger than the Sun (31′31″ – 32′33″) in the sky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter). How can it make such a small swath of totality (Moon totally blocking the Sun - the darkest band/line below) on the Earth?

(http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2016-march-9)

Why doesn't it darken the WHOLE Flat Earth?

3) The RET explanation includes the sizes and distances of the Sun and Moon that DO account for what we see - AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, we can PREDICT MONTHS/YEARS in advance what the eclipses will look like (total, annular, partial) and where on Earth they will be and how long they will last. The FEF - nothing, nada, zippo.



4) Per the thread topic, another problem is Lunar Libration. We only see 50% of the Moon at a time but can see up to 59% of the Moon's surface because of its 5.1° orbit inclination, 1.5° axis tilt, distance from Earth and location of observer on Earth (Norway/New Zealand and moonrise/moonset). So how and why does the "skin"/surface of the Moon stretch around a disk like that on a FEF Moon disk?

(http://earthsky.org/space/how-much-of-the-moon-can-we-see-from-earth-lunar-libration)
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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2016, 10:17:19 AM »
Flat Moon?! The plot thickens

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2016, 10:44:07 AM »
Flat Moon?! The plot thickens
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That is only a bit of thin-ness in the plot of the thick-ness of  the flat earth moon.

One thing I have read is that the moon is not illuminated by the sun. (Remember the sun is a spotlight that only shines down on the earth.) The moon is self-illuminated by a process called "bio-illuminescence" or something like that.

Another thing I have read is that this "self illumination" of the moon is caused by creatures called "moon-shrimp" or "moon-shramp." (I don't know what a "shramp" is  ???) The phases of the moon are caused by these creatures migrating back and forth across the moon.The moon is bright where they are and dark where they are not.

Maybe some fe can correct me if I got it wrong. Help !

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2016, 12:01:30 PM »
The other side doesn't like you
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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2016, 02:37:17 PM »
Flat Moon?! The plot thickens
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That is only a bit of thin-ness in the plot of the thick-ness of  the flat earth moon.

One thing I have read is that the moon is not illuminated by the sun. (Remember the sun is a spotlight that only shines down on the earth.) The moon is self-illuminated by a process called "bio-illuminescence" or something like that.

Another thing I have read is that this "self illumination" of the moon is caused by creatures called "moon-shrimp" or "moon-shramp." (I don't know what a "shramp" is  ???) The phases of the moon are caused by these creatures migrating back and forth across the moon.The moon is bright where they are and dark where they are not.

Maybe some fe can correct me if I got it wrong. Help !

Paraphrasing Mark Twain.: "All I know is what I read on this website and that's my excuse for ignorance."

Moon-shramp!! That's fantastic!

Maybe none of this is real; maybe it's all intended as a social experiment whereby a group of people have decided to see how suggestable people can be? Maybe they sit back and laugh at all the FE recruits they have managed to dupe!

I certainly enjoy the concept. In the same way that I enjoy J R R Tolkien's Middle Earth and Terry Pratchett's Discworld. Just as magical but almost less believable...

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2016, 12:50:21 PM »
Maybe the FEs are just plain tired of fighting and losing.
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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2016, 12:10:17 AM »
The spherical moon being mapped by grail, shows that the gravity is stronger on the near side then on the far side, with near side being heavier acts like the ballast of a ship. while the moon sales on the Space time curvature of the earth, and it is this ballast that keeps the near side facing the Earth.

Did i end a link?
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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2016, 09:58:50 PM »
The spherical moon being mapped by grail, shows that the gravity is stronger on the near side then on the far side, with near side being heavier acts like the ballast of a ship. while the moon sales on the Space time curvature of the earth, and it is this ballast that keeps the near side facing the Earth.

Did i end a link?
 ???
As I have no comeback on this, is this a good theory, and do I win a prize?
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The earth is a globe.

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2016, 06:54:34 AM »
The spherical moon being mapped by grail, shows that the gravity is stronger on the near side then on the far side, with near side being heavier acts like the ballast of a ship. while the moon sales on the Space time curvature of the earth, and it is this ballast that keeps the near side facing the Earth.

Did i end a link?
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As I have no comeback on this, is this a good theory, and do I win a prize?

You have no comeback to give for your failed post?  ???

Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2016, 04:04:31 AM »
This entire debate has become comical. These schizophrenic flat-earthers just keep coming up with the most random theories...and much of it based on crazy religious cult leaders from the 1800's. So far I have not seen a proof in any way or form to even support the claim that the earth is inded flat. Just a pile of conjecture and hypothesizing.

Here's a challenge: one of you arm-chair intellectuals should actually raise money to travel to Antarctica's pole region. What better way to finally prove your theory. Now, being a rational person I would think that first-hand empirical proof backed by science would be the best way to prove your extemely illogical hypothesis. My guess is you're unwilling to make this investment because of what it will prove. Either way it would prove one or the other...so stop regurgitating out of date data or simply researching questionable information on the Internet...my friend climbed the Vinson Massif and came back alive. Its nowhere near the coast and 700 miles from the south pole.

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2016, 05:47:23 AM »
1) The Moon has to be flat because if it was a sphere or semi-sphere, people at different locations on Earth would see it totally differently.

But they do! It's upside down in the southern hemisphere.

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Re: Why do we only see one side of the Moon?
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2016, 03:49:04 AM »
This entire debate has become comical. These schizophrenic flat-earthers just keep coming up with the most random theories...and much of it based on crazy religious cult leaders from the 1800's. So far I have not seen a proof in any way or form to even support the claim that the earth is inded flat. Just a pile of conjecture and hypothesizing.
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The trouble is that the only Flat Earther has been jroa, and he added no material to the discussion.