6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles

Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:17:32 PM

Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees.

That's because mandatory tests without probable cause like that violate the 4th ammemdment and thus are illegal in the a United States.  Antarctica is not claimed by any nation and is under only international law, so the 4th ammemdment is not in effect.  Many industries have the need for such tests because intoxicated workers can cause problems when operating machinery and stuff.

I still don't get what you are implying.  Being drunk doesn't make you slip near a computer and accidentally fake midnight Sun footage.  Worldwide, beer is the third most popular beverage behind water and tea.  There are a lot of drunk people in the world, and last I checked symptoms of alcoholism didn't include faking videos and thinking that they are real.

My point is that the drunk scientists have about as much credibility as Otis from Mayberry.  If they can't be trusted to be sober during working hours, then how much should I take their word for anything? 

My point is that the drunk scientists have about as much credibility as Otis from Mayberry.  If they can't be trusted to be sober during working hours, then how much should I take their word for anything?

The paralytic "scientists" were probably smashed on cheap varnish and spent six months staring at a light bulb 

My point is that the drunk scientists have about as much credibility as Otis from Mayberry.  If they can't be trusted to be sober during working hours, then how much should I take their word for anything?

So your logic is that since some scientists in Antarctica can't be trusted to not commit a minor infraction, then they must all be dirty liars that can't be trusted with anything and they must be faking video footage and lying about observations instead of doing science.

Banks have a lot of security, so my your logic everybody who enters a bank is a lying stealing scumbag because they could not be trusted to not steal the money if it were not in a safe.  Do you see how flawed that logic is?

When was the last time you got a breathalyzer test while trying to make a deposit?  I think your analogy fails right there. 

When was the last time you got a breathalyzer test while trying to make a deposit?  I think your analogy fails right there.

Again, breathalyzer tests without probable cause violates the fourth amendment.  My analogy still stands because according to your logic the need to have a safe to store the money in means that everyone who has ever walked into a bank cannot be trusted near money that's not locked up, just as you think that the need for breathalyzer tests implies that all antarctica scientists can't be trusted at all with anything ever.  Your logic is so flawed.

When was the last time you got a breathalyzer test while trying to make a deposit?  I think your analogy fails right there.

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Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:17:32 PM

Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees. ^{[citation needed]}

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Just a reminder: I'm still waiting for some evidence that breathalyzer tests for Antarctic researchers are mandatory. [nb]Your linked article doesn't say they are, even if you want to think it does. Is there more information that followed?[/nb]

Next, you need to provide a list of all industries and show that none of them has ever required breathalyzer tests.

Both of these conditions are required to make your pronouncement true.

Go ahead...

[Edit] broke the "pronouncement" sentence into its own pg. for readability.
 

I don't need to prove anything.  If you think my statement is wrong, then you are free to provide counter evidence.  However, the burden of proof is not on me to prove a negative.

I know you people get all mad whenever we talk about the drunken Antarctic scientists.  I would be upset too if the people whom I am looking to prove the shape of the world end up being drunk all the time.  I feel for you, bro. 

Serious derailment here. But to assist in the drunken Antarctic explorer chat, lets have a think about this.

In a normal city dwelling persons life you can split their lives in 3.
a third working
a third social and doing fun life things
a third sleeping and doing boring life things

now each of those 3rds can and usually are done in different location, with different people.

When you are in the Antarctic (or any super isolated location, ships ext) those 3 things get mixed together.
Its the same few people everyday at the same 1 location. These are also not your family members or people you necessarily would chose to spend months with. There is no going outside for a nice walk or jog.
So your social and fun things get diminished into, sitting around and . . . well, drinking makes the time go by quickly.

All that said and done. What the hell does this have to do with the sun staying up 6 months?
Is your best argument against a 6 month day/night cycle is that people get bored, lonely and drunk?
You have actually prove that all people (not just scientists) that have been to the Antarctic and seen the long day/night cycles have been drunk to the extent that they are not capable of coherent thought and observations all the time.

Save yourself the effort, you cant prove that. The argument does not stand.

Quote from: jroa on February 04, 2016, 03:02:10 PM

When was the last time you got a breathalyzer test while trying to make a deposit?  I think your analogy fails right there.

Again, breathalyzer tests without probable cause violates the fourth amendment.  My analogy still stands because according to your logic the need to have a safe to store the money in means that everyone who has ever walked into a bank cannot be trusted near money that's not locked up, just as you think that the need for breathalyzer tests implies that all antarctica scientists can't be trusted at all with anything ever.  Your logic is so flawed.

It could also be argued that mandatory breathalyzer tests also violate the 5th amendment: the right to not be required to self incriminate oneself.  But, regardless of the legality of it, the alcohol problem in Antarctica is so prevalent that the government of the US wants to start requiring the partying Antarctic scientists to submit to the tests before starting work.  That article even claims that those frat-boy scientists are even brewing their own alcohol in their labs. 

It could also be argued that mandatory breathalyzer tests also violate the 5th amendment: the right to not be required to self incriminate oneself.  But, regardless of the legality of it, the alcohol problem in Antarctica is so prevalent that the government of the US wants to start requiring the partying Antarctic scientists to submit to the tests before starting work.  That article even claims that those frat-boy scientists are even brewing their own alcohol in their labs.

The fact that it's unconstitutional is the reason why no other industry has it.  The fact that drinking is a probelem in Antarctica does not mean that every person on that continent (including tourists) is so drunk that they can't read a clock or a compass and figure out where the Sun is.  Your entire argument is an ad hominem fallacy, attacking the Antarctica scientists without attacking their observations.

Also, of course they are brewing it in their labs.  Where else would they get it?  It's not like they could just go down to their local bar, and I doubt that all that alcohol would be shipped to them.

It should also be noted that the only ones relying on Antarctica scientists to prove Earth's shape is you.  I have proven that Earth is round many times, most notably with my sunspot offer action experiment.  I have more experiments planned like a Moon observation one, but flat earthers really seem to hate participating in experiments that test their beliefs.

I don't need to prove anything. 

Of course you think you don't. You claim whatever you want, whether it's true or not. Facts be damned.

If you think my statement is wrong, then you are free to provide counter evidence.  However, the burden of proof is not on me to prove a negative.

You're the one that made the statement you can't back up. Let's start with the easy part: where in the article did it say mandatory breathalyzer tests were happening? All I saw in there was a recommendation by someone.

I know you people get all mad whenever we talk about the drunken Antarctic scientists.  I would be upset too if the people whom I am looking to prove the shape of the world end up being drunk all the time.  I feel for you, bro.

You don't feel you need to justify your claim of "universally drunken Antarctic scientists" with no evidence for it? No surprise there. Again, facts be damned.  You do this all the time. It does get a bit old, but, then this is The Flat Earth Society forum, so a moderator playing fast and loose with the truth is not unexpected.

Oh, yes... since you asked: https://www.lifeloc.com/petroleum.aspx. There goes the other part of your statement.

With private industry, what's constitutional or not isn't relevant. Private companies can require agreement to substance-abuse testing as a condition of employment; an individual is always free to refuse testing, but that can be grounds for dismissal.

[Edit] Remove extraneous 'the'

The reason Jroa says stupid things is because he is a shill.

http://postimg.org/image/we4w7iux1/
[img=http://s10.postimg.org/we4w7iux1/bills.jpg]

i spent awhile in antartica - heres a pic with some fellow bills fans.....
its cool to watch the sun when it doesnt set.  it just goes 360 degrees around you dipping and rising slightly throughout the day  like this ?/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

another proof that the earth is rotating and the sun isnt a lamp above us

Also, of course they are brewing it in their labs.  Where else would they get it?  It's not like they could just go down to their local bar, and I doubt that all that alcohol would be shipped to them.

Apparently, you did not even bother to read the article or do any research for yourself.  They have bars and liquor stores in Antarctica.  lol

Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Here is a video of the Antarctic midnight sun:

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So, yeah.  People have seen it.

Hm, the light spot (your midnight sun) is at zenith around 03.00 am local time (midnight?) above the green hut on a flat field and at the lowest height at 15.00 pm facing the camera. Quite easy to fake anywhere - just a snowy, flat field lit up by a spot hanging in a crane. I would fit a skirt around the bottom of the hut to prevent its floor to be chilled.