moon hoax information index.

And yet all of the media produced in the 60's regarding the Apollo program (video, photographs etc) still stands up to intense scrutiny to this day without any problems whatsoever.

Fuek you are stating there is an example of audio with sounds having been recording travelling through a vacuum. Please provide a link to this audio record please.

Simply pull up the same resource you used for your intensive scrutiny.

If you are still lost reread parts of this thread because this has already being covered,

As the weekend approaches my company is required elsewhere,
this should give you lots of time to decide if NASAs admission to outside noise being recorded on the audio in the vacuum is correct or not.
Happy truth seeking. 

Quote from: markjo link=topic=65666.msg1764066#msg1764066

I don't think that he's asking for the whole series, just the episode where the sound allegedly travels through a vacuum.

It's ubiquitous,

Then it shouldn't be hard for you to provide a link.

Quote from: Mainframes on March 03, 2016, 02:04:34 AM

And yet all of the media produced in the 60's regarding the Apollo program (video, photographs etc) still stands up to intense scrutiny to this day without any problems whatsoever.

Quote from: Mainframes on March 04, 2016, 08:02:10 AM

Fuek you are stating there is an example of audio with sounds having been recording travelling through a vacuum. Please provide a link to this audio record please.

Simply pull up the same resource you used for your intensive scrutiny.

If you are still lost reread parts of this thread because this has already being covered,

As the weekend approaches my company is required elsewhere,
this should give you lots of time to decide if NASAs admission to outside noise being recorded on the audio in the vacuum is correct or not.
Happy truth seeking. 

You are stating that there is a specific example, so please provide that example.

Otherwise you are just blowing hot air and cant back up your statement.

Quote from: Yendor on February 16, 2016, 11:34:47 AM

Come on guys, you know my pal Rayzor would never say you can hear sound on the moon...would he?

Sure would,  and  proved it too.   

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65666.msg1759365#msg1759365

All will become clear in good time.

Quote from: Rayzor on February 16, 2016, 03:44:08 PM

Quote from: Yendor on February 16, 2016, 11:34:47 AM

Come on guys, you know my pal Rayzor would never say you can hear sound on the moon...would he?

Sure would,  and  proved it too.   

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65666.msg1759365#msg1759365

All will become clear in good time.

It's been clear to everyone but you for more than 40 years.    In deference to Mainframes,  I'll repost it again.   

http://blog.moonzoo.org/2011/07/18/sounds-on-the-moon/

Here is a short audio excerpt of Apollo 12 astronaut Alan Bean driving in the core sample tube at Sharp crater. It is from the Bernie Scrivener Apollo 12 audio tape recording. You can hear several short blows on the audio recording as he is hammering on the tube with the flat side of his hammer. Below is the part of the transcript of the audio recording from the Apollo 12 Surface Journal at Sharp Crater: (Here’s a video version that Tom128 put together.)

”133:03:08 Bean: Okay. In this kind of pack you could almost drive it without a hammer; but, if you’ll hand it (the hammer) to me, I’ll…
133:03:11 Conrad: Yeah, just a second.
133:03:14 Bean: I want to take a couple more shots (that is, photos) of this before we leave. (Pause) There. (Pause) Okay.
133:03:28 Conrad: Get it all the way in (and) I’ll get the pictures.
133:03:30 Bean: All right. (The sound of hammering is audible) It’s driving in real easy, Houston.
[Bean – “I didn’t know that (they could hear the hammering in Houston)!”]
[Conrad – “That’s neat!”]
[Bean – “Coming through my hand, I guess…”]
[Conrad – “Yeah, it’s coming through your hand and getting into the air in the suit and it’s transmitting all the way (to the microphones).”]
[Bean – “Isn’t that something.”]
[Jones – “Now, you had the Snoopy helmets on over your ears.”]
[Conrad – “Yeah, but the microphones are out here (in front of their lips). I never heard that before, either. You can hear you hammering just loud and clear.”]
[Bean – “I would have said it wasn’t possible.”]

As Tom128 says, Pete Conrad and Alan Bean acted as “biological sensors” or transmitters. In an e-mail exchange with Andrew Chaikin, space journalist and author of many Apollo books, about the hammer sound Tom128 received the following reply (reproduced with Andrew’s permission):

“I had heard this during my research for A Man on the Moon back in ’85, and was impressed by the fact that the sound transmitted so well through the hammer, into Alan’s suit, and up to the microphone on his Snoopy cap.”



So yes you can hear sounds on the moon, but sound does not travel in a vacuum.  Now we watch again while the little feucker does his denial and reversal dance.

Good old moonzoo 
Confusing rayzor since page 20 
Let's look at their "moonfacts" 

 

" Even when the [apollo] astronaut in the photo to the right, hit a metal tube into the ground with a hammer, no sound was made." 
 http://www.moonzoo.org/FAQ_MoonFacts

Did I win ?
rayzor et al appear to have run out of steam and sound completely confused over their compelling moon landing evidence.

 
And of course anyone reading the thread knows what comes next. all shall be revealed in good time.

Edit - nice dancing reference rayzor, but of course only one of us is a dancing running bottling rayzor and it's not me.
As we shall find out (again) XD

So how exactly is an issue for the moon landing?

All I see is the guy whacking a solid object with another solid object and the mics picking up a bit of sound transmission through the guys arm. What's the big revelation?

Good old moonzoo 
Confusing rayzor since page 20 
Let's look at their "moonfacts" 

 

Quote from: feuk on February 18, 2016, 09:15:54 AM

" Even when the [apollo] astronaut in the photo to the right, hit a metal tube into the ground with a hammer, no sound was made." 
 http://www.moonzoo.org/FAQ_MoonFacts

Did I win ?
rayzor et al appear to have run out of steam and sound completely confused over their compelling moon landing evidence.

 
And of course anyone reading the thread knows what comes next. all shall be revealed in good time.

Edit - nice dancing reference rayzor, but of course only one of us is a dancing running bottling rayzor and it's not me.
As we shall find out (again) XD

You can't think for yourself can you?

Quote from: feuk on March 05, 2016, 12:39:38 AM

Good old moonzoo 
Confusing rayzor since page 20 
Let's look at their "moonfacts" 

 

Quote from: feuk on February 18, 2016, 09:15:54 AM

" Even when the [apollo] astronaut in the photo to the right, hit a metal tube into the ground with a hammer, no sound was made." 
 http://www.moonzoo.org/FAQ_MoonFacts

Did I win ?
rayzor et al appear to have run out of steam and sound completely confused over their compelling moon landing evidence.

 
And of course anyone reading the thread knows what comes next. all shall be revealed in good time.

Edit - nice dancing reference rayzor, but of course only one of us is a dancing running bottling rayzor and it's not me.
As we shall find out (again) XD

You can't think for yourself can you?

The real reason he can't think clearly, is he fried his brain by watching youtube conspiracy theories,  that can be debilitating for people of low intelligence,  like the dumb feuck.

Quote from: sokarul on March 05, 2016, 11:44:27 AM

Quote from: feuk on March 05, 2016, 12:39:38 AM

Good old moonzoo 
Confusing rayzor since page 20 
Let's look at their "moonfacts" 

 

Quote from: feuk on February 18, 2016, 09:15:54 AM

" Even when the [apollo] astronaut in the photo to the right, hit a metal tube into the ground with a hammer, no sound was made." 
 http://www.moonzoo.org/FAQ_MoonFacts

Did I win ?
rayzor et al appear to have run out of steam and sound completely confused over their compelling moon landing evidence.

 
And of course anyone reading the thread knows what comes next. all shall be revealed in good time.

Edit - nice dancing reference rayzor, but of course only one of us is a dancing running bottling rayzor and it's not me.
As we shall find out (again) XD

You can't think for yourself can you?

The real reason he can't think clearly, is he fried his brain by watching youtube conspiracy theories,  that can be debilitating for people of low intelligence,  like the dumb feuck.

         

Quote from: Abbazorkzog on February 18, 2016, 04:44:55 AM

Of course we've been to the moon. We never left.

http://exopolitics.org/secret-moon-base-uses-abducted-humans-as-slave-labor/

The Trapezoid utilizes kidnapped human children as slave labor and is a highly secured complex utilized for the rendition of ambitions and programmes concerning the US military-industrial complex's ambitions at the militarization of space and the 12 planets.

Quote

It is a Heavily Guarded and Secret Base that is at about the 10 o’clock position, on the Back Side of the Moon. The portion that is visible is a “Trapezoid Shape”. It is only accessible to the Dark Fleet and some ICC Personnel as well as the Draco Allied Forces. Some amateur astronomers have caught video of swarms of craft leaving from this base location on a couple of occasions. It is presumed to go far beneath the surface of the Moon just as the LOC does.

Furthermore, there is also evidence of fleet-building on Mars.

http://ufodigest.com/article/naval-intelligence-officer-corroborates-us-mars-bases-and-time-travel

http://www.interdimensioncomm.com/Marsbase.htm

Well,  at least there is evidence and witness statements,  that's more than the little feuker has provided to support his belief the Apollo missions were faked.
   
 
What do the reptilian aliens want?   Has anyone asked them?

*muffled snigger*

So how exactly is an issue for the moon landing?

All I see is the guy whacking a solid object with another solid object and the mics picking up a bit of sound transmission through the guys arm. What's the big revelation?

Moonzoo moon facts disagree,
So does the consistency of "sound propagation",
NASA astronauts also disagree (post 1972),
As does all audio/video evidence from the ISS.

Strange no ?

as has already being covered ad infinitum on this thread,
You must have missed it 

Good old moonzoo 
Confusing rayzor since page 20 
Let's look at their "moonfacts" 

 

Quote from: feuk on February 18, 2016, 09:15:54 AM

" Even when the [apollo] astronaut in the photo to the right, hit a metal tube into the ground with a hammer, no sound was made." 
 http://www.moonzoo.org/FAQ_MoonFacts

Did I win ?
rayzor et al appear to have run out of steam and sound completely confused over their compelling moon landing evidence.

 
And of course anyone reading the thread knows what comes next. all shall be revealed in good

If anyone can't see post #781 or post #782 let me know and I will point them out.

Oh, a website disagrees, so what. It's been said ten times that a solid object can transmit sound waves.

Quote from: Mainframes on March 05, 2016, 05:15:34 AM

So how exactly is an issue for the moon landing?

All I see is the guy whacking a solid object with another solid object and the mics picking up a bit of sound transmission through the guys arm. What's the big revelation?

Moonzoo moon facts disagree,
So does the consistency of "sound propagation",
NASA astronauts also disagree (post 1972),
As does all audio/video evidence from the ISS.

Strange no ?

as has already being covered ad infinitum on this thread,
You must have missed it 

Quote from: feuk on March 05, 2016, 12:39:38 AM

Good old moonzoo 
Confusing rayzor since page 20 
Let's look at their "moonfacts" 

 

Quote from: feuk on February 18, 2016, 09:15:54 AM

" Even when the [apollo] astronaut in the photo to the right, hit a metal tube into the ground with a hammer, no sound was made." 
 http://www.moonzoo.org/FAQ_MoonFacts

Did I win ?
rayzor et al appear to have run out of steam and sound completely confused over their compelling moon landing evidence.

 
And of course anyone reading the thread knows what comes next. all shall be revealed in good

Solids can propagate sound but you need fairly specific conditions for that sound to be picked up. For example the Apollo video picks up the sound because the astronaut is hitting a metallic object against another metallic object and this creates a very intense sound that transmits well.

Lots of other sounds will get transmitted in some way but will be difficult to pick by microphones or the ear and tend to become rather muffled.

Oh, a website disagrees, so what. It's been said ten times that a solid object can transmit sound waves.

Then tell me why we can't hear a ringing bell in a chamber with air evacuated from it, that is sat on a table - and this is without the extra hindrance of a frigging so called space suit.

Wake up and stop being so naive - unless you're paid to be like this.

Because the bell is designed properly. Do you think sound doesn't travel through solids?

Oh, a website disagrees, so what.

Sooooo....the same website had offerings quoted by moon landing believers,
The site debunks itself so is unreliable.

It's been said ten times that a solid object can transmit sound waves.

Exceeeeept solid LMs when astronots are directly standing ontop of the rocket and it is firing,
Or when there is no contact between solids on the Apollo movies,
Even when solid hand held tools are used on excursion aboard the ISS,
etc....
etc....
have you being reading the thread ?

Solids can propagate sound but you need fairly specific conditions for that sound to be picked up. For example the Apollo video picks up the sound because the astronaut is hitting a metallic object against another metallic object and this creates a very intense sound that transmits well.

Garrett Reisman
NASA spaceman

" It is true, however, that sound cannot travel in a vacuum so you do not hear things outside.  When you drive a bolt or tap a piece of equipment with a tool, you don't hear a thing.  "

Metal on metal,
"you don't hear a thing" 

we also know NASA classes the "atmosphere" densities of the lunar surface and that surrounding the ISS as comparable, in effect a vacuum.

Has this phenomena of sound travelling through  spacemens arms when hitting metal on metal ever being recorded on the high quality audio from an ISS excursion ?
Or has any spaceman reported this phenomena ever during an ISS excursion ?

Also we have instances with sound transmission without contact,


quite the conundrum I'm sure you will agree.

Because the bell is designed properly. Do you think sound doesn't travel through solids?

I refer you to the above post,
Thank you 

I suggest you look up hammers with tuning forks built into the handle to cut down on vibrations created from hammering.

I suggest you look up hammers with tuning forks built into the handle to cut down on vibrations created from hammering.

Garrett Reisman
NASA spaceman

" It is true, however, that sound cannot travel in a vacuum so you do not hear things outside.  When you drive a bolt or tap a piece of equipment with a tool, you don't hear a thing.  "

Metal on metal,
"you don't hear a thing"  
 

 

Here you go (again) 
Running away ?

Quote from: feuk on March 03, 2016, 02:50:31 AM

Here you go,
You must have missed it over the last four pages 
 

Quote from: feuk on March 02, 2016, 06:15:21 AM

Guys ? 

Quote from: feuk on March 01, 2016, 08:10:19 AM

Guys ? 
bottling it ?
Is this evasive behaviour compulsory to be a member of the moon landing congregation ?

Quote from: feuk on February 28, 2016, 01:05:56 AM

Guys ?
 

Quote from: feuk on February 26, 2016, 09:42:52 AM

Don't do a rayzor guys,
At least attempt to counter the evidence,
If you can.

Quote from: feuk on February 26, 2016, 06:47:26 AM

Quote from: sokarul on February 26, 2016, 06:33:58 AM

Everyone who knows people have walked on the moon?

Cool.....

Heeey have you seen the Apollo movies where sound is recorded during  excursions into the lunar vacuum ?

I heard the sound travelled inside the suits from the vacuum outside,
Or travelling through solids then travelling through the suits.
Trouble is sound is recorded in the vacuum where no physical contact occurs,
and the deafening noise of the engines never travelled through the LM onto the audio.

The plot thickens when we realise non of these phenomena happen in the vacuum around the ISS according to the audio record and eye witness testimony.

can that be true ?

Quote from: feuk on February 26, 2016, 05:59:29 AM

Quote from: feuk on February 26, 2016, 05:18:34 AM

Quote from: feuk on February 26, 2016, 02:08:41 AM

Just placing this here so globedebunker can find it easier.

Quote from: feuk on February 25, 2016, 12:14:29 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker link=topic=65666.msg1762244#msg1762244 date=1456429022

The defendants (in this case) have promoted investigation!! Haha! We have asked multiple times for proofs that the moon expedition was a hoax. Not speculative jibber-jabber. 'I think this should do that, or that should be doing this, but I have nothing to confirm these suspicions'

What happens when the prosecutor doesn't have any concrete evidence of the 'crime'?
The prosecution is dismissed. If the suspect is still convicted, then the system is corrupt.

Maybe you could explain how outside sounds are recorded on the audio of Apollo movies in the vacuum of space,
We have already had the idea sound vibrated through the contact hand with tools and this is transferred onto the recording,
Bit of a stretch and has never being recorded on any post Apollo space movie.

But more than this sound is recorded travelling through the vacuum of space when no physical direct contact is evident (discounting the flimsy "drum skin" excuse),
Tiny little metallic rattles, subtle and soft noise, even crunching regolith.
The example given was slamming compartment lids on the lunar buggy with no direct physical contact with the suit,

Sound travelling through solids was offered but is obviously not relevant to the situation, and has not being recorded in a vacuum since.

Any reasoning should be universal,
We do not see this with modern ISS excursions,     
eye witness testimony confirms hand held tools transfer  no sound in the vacuum of space inside the suit,
nor has it being recorded.

how is this possible ?
How can one set of evidence contradict the other ?

Already established facts -
Lunar atmosphere is the same as that surrounding the ISS according to the defendant, a vacuum.
both suits have the same design, a layered skin filled with air,
Tools are made from the same materials,
vehicles are made with the same material,
modern audio is better quality.

Go.....

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Page 13 (unlucky for some) 
 

Quote from: feuk on March 03, 2016, 02:47:38 AM

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Quote from: feuk on March 02, 2016, 06:13:40 AM

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Quote from: feuk on March 01, 2016, 08:01:36 AM

I see the running dancing one is still giving it the biggun,
claiming to have "studied" the maths and physics involved   

I smell bravo sierra,
must be his full nappy 

let the record show rayzor et al cannot even come up with an acceptable scientific constant that explains how sound travels in the Apollo movies "vacuum" 

Bunch of bottlers.


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Quote from: feuk on February 28, 2016, 01:03:16 AM

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Quote from: feuk on February 26, 2016, 05:58:19 AM

up to page 8  now 
 

Quote from: feuk on February 26, 2016, 05:17:24 AM

Page 7 now 
 

Quote from: feuk on February 25, 2016, 12:24:47 PM

Sixth page 

Quote from: feuk on February 25, 2016, 06:50:30 AM

Fifth page now,

Is running dancing rayzor still running and dancing ?
yup.

Quote from: feuk on February 25, 2016, 02:36:02 AM

Is running rayzor still running ?

Quote from: feuk on February 24, 2016, 05:35:28 AM

FAO running dancing rayzor

Oh Jesus *face palm*,
ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ha.....

You got a direct response,,
Seems I will have to repeat myself veeeery slowly.

sound of hammering clearly audible because why ?
You claim the sound is travelling through his hand (clearly exclaimed in your post)

My response was how is sound travelling without direct contact on the Apollo excursions ?
clattering moon buggy compartment lids was one example,
Remember, you decided reptilian moon bases and a heavily choreographed dance number was the best response.

Added to this I also asked why sound does not travel through the hands of ISS manual labourers working in the vacuum,
(the post you are ignoring whilst claiming you answered it a week ago  )

And how sound does not propagate through solid hand held tools or the solid ISS whilst the observer is in the vacuum,
remember,
you gave examples of the observer being inside the air filled ISS,
Which is obviously unrelated to the subject.

Then you started your trip down memory lane pretending you elaborated on this obvious problem a week ago.

Let's try again....
I'm afraid your rather nasty insults, expletives, dance numbers and long distance running is only damaging your extremely tenuous logic and understanding.

(btw plagiarising phrases to repeat back to the original poster and the constant  repetition makes you sound like a bot,
let me guess, "beep, does not compute, beep"   )

Anyway, response please.

Quote from: feuk on February 24, 2016, 02:30:36 AM

Any chance of a response to the below ?
Or is more trolling,
more running,
more dancing your preferred debating style ?

Quote from: feuk on February 23, 2016, 06:41:14 AM

back for more my running dancing friend ?
Still proving you are full of it ?
Still struggling with the very basic science which you claim needs to be "dumbed down" for me ? 

Let me highlight your most obvious comprehension fails, and why your claims of understanding your own argument are hilarious internet slap stick   

firstly you claimed to be proving sound travels through the vacuum of space with your first link,
Which states
" Finally, inside the ISS there indeed is a very high level of noise pollution."
The word "inside" is what you appear to be misunderstanding.
unless you are claiming that it's a vacuum "inside" the ISS then that's an epic face plant.

Secondly you link to an article I have being quoting for over a week 
Which states,
" As an EVA is in progress, you can hear the spacewalkers bumping and clanging along as your crewmates translate on the exterior of your module."
The word you are misunderstanding here is "exterior", he is describing sound from inside the ISS,
unless you are claiming that it's a vacuum "inside" the ISS.

EVEN YOUR LINK (that I posted a week ago) DEBUNKS YOUR OWN ARGUMENT,
 
" It is true, however, that sound cannot travel in a vacuum so you do not hear things outside.  When you drive a bolt or tap a piece of equipment with a tool, you don't hear a thing.  "

OUTSIDE THE ISS running dancing rayzor, OUTSIDE IN THE VACUUM OF SPACE.

your (originally mine) link continues to demolish your false sense of understanding with,
" One interesting thing that happens is that when you put your crewmates in the airlock to perform an EVA and then shut the hatch, at first you can hear a bunch of clanging as their metal tools softly strike the other equipment, handrails, or the hull of the small airlock.  Then as you depress the airlock it still looks exactly the same through the hatch window.  But now the clanging sound is gone.  You can see their equipment bumping into stuff as before, but now it is silent."

I think the word you are struggling with here is "silent", even when the observer is inside the ISS.

there we have it,
Your inflated self image is in fact delusional idiocy,

That might sound harsh but I can only go on what you are posting,
Which clearly shows you are attempting to prove sound travels in a vacuum by quoting links that show sound travels through air.
sounds like internet slap stick idiocy to me.

I think this is where you claim to be "dumbing down" your misunderstanding of basic science and obvious struggles with the English language.

my spidey sense tells me you will begin an elaborate dance routine before running away shouting infantile insults over your shoulder,

all I ask is that you actually read and understand the links you are quoting, analyse the data and form a coherent factual explanation,
Please
 

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Quote from: sokarul on March 06, 2016, 12:09:50 PM

I suggest you look up hammers with tuning forks built into the handle to cut down on vibrations created from hammering.

Garrett Reisman
NASA spaceman

" It is true, however, that sound cannot travel in a vacuum so you do not hear things outside.  When you drive a bolt or tap a piece of equipment with a tool, you don't hear a thing.  "

Metal on metal,
"you don't hear a thing" 
 

So are you too scared to look them up or too uneducated and don't know how to look them up?

No need,
Garrett Reisman
NASA spaceman
 
" One interesting thing that happens is that when you put your crewmates in the airlock to perform an EVA and then shut the hatch, at first you can hear a bunch of clanging as their metal tools softly strike the other equipment, handrails, or the hull of the small airlock.  Then as you depress the airlock it still looks exactly the same through the hatch window.  But now the clanging sound is gone.  You can see their equipment bumping into stuff as before, but now it is silent."

Some interesting eye witness testimony there,
no mention of tuning forks 
he also does not seem to be aware of "sound propagation" either 

strange huh 

So every single action performed on the moon was the same? They never did different things?

maybe the ISS and every tool, buckle and clamp is made from millions of tuning forks 

Is that what you are suggesting sokarul ?

Sounds highly unlikely 

No. I'm suggesting that not every action performed was the same. Some actions could transfer vibrations into a suit and some could not.

No. I'm suggesting that not every action performed was the same. Some actions could transfer vibrations into a suit and some could not.

Such as ?

Specifics,
Otherwise you just sound like you are fumbling around in the dark trying to sound convincing.

To be honest it feels as if you have gone down the "shit happens" route and abandoned science and logic.

Quote from: sokarul on March 06, 2016, 01:01:02 PM

No. I'm suggesting that not every action performed was the same. Some actions could transfer vibrations into a suit and some could not.

Such as ?

Specifics,
Otherwise you just sound like you are fumbling around in the dark trying to sound convincing.

To be honest it feels as if you have gone down the "shit happens" route and abandoned science and logic.

Specifics? There are any number of factors involved. If you think there are not different factors involved in doing different tasks then you have a problem.

The real problem here is you know so little that you already made up your mind. You can't understand that different situations can have different outcomes.