moon hoax information index.

Quote from: Rayzor on February 10, 2016, 10:45:35 PM

Quote from: feuk on February 10, 2016, 10:44:33 AM

after being busted NASA claimed a misidentification of footage.

citation needed.

Given,

What now ?
On to your next bizarre meltdown ?

what is your most compelling evidence men went to the moon ?

A citation requires evidence,  where is the evidence that NASA faked something?   Anything?,   you claim they edit photo's in a misleading way, well here's your big chance  show me one,  together with a statement from NASA to that effect.

Oh, and calling you a creepy troll,  doesn't constitute a meltdown,  that just facts supported by evidence.   

Quote from: frenat on February 10, 2016, 03:21:11 PM

Quote from: feuk on February 10, 2016, 10:44:33 AM

Quote from: frenat on February 10, 2016, 10:27:23 AM

If NASA made the claim then you should be able to show where they did so.  Please show it.

Suddenly you don't like search engines ?

Suddenly not willing to sit through hours of fanboy moon porn ?

Simply search for A16 EVA misclassification or something.
Working from memory NASA produce moon porn,
someone notices the same location used for two different EVAs,
NASA claims a mistake was made with classification and identification,
the mistake is memory holed,

YOU made the claim, YOU should back it up.  Why should I search for it?  Afraid you can't support your claim?

But just to humor you, I did a search for A16 EVA misclassification and found nothing related.  So I tried it with quotes, still nothing.  I even tried searching for "A16 EVA misclassification or something" like you suggested but still nothing.   

Quote from: feuk on February 10, 2016, 10:44:33 AM

years later frenat is outraged and starts a public meltdown.

Please show ANYWHERE I've had a public meltdown.  I'll bet you can't. 
   

Poor little frenat   

As has being mentioned "history" is being rewritten daily by google,
this is a fact,
and leaves people like you floundering around in the dark.

If it has been changed then you should be able to find the pre-change evidence in the internet archive
https://archive.org/index.php

nip over to YouTube and watch the NASA sponsered doc - Apollo 16 nothing so hidden 1972.
the two identical locations were claimed to be miles apart,
When this was pointed out "editing error" was blamed.

Please explain how one EVA (as is now claimed) was actually edited as two different EVAs at two different locations on different days,
on a NASA sponsered documentary,
and how no one noticed until someone pointed out the obvious use of the same scenery.

That was not a NASA documentary.  As already mentioned it was done by a third party.  The video footage has been available to anyone who asks for it since the 70's and has ALWAYS been labeled correctly.  So you STILL have no evidence NASA made the claim because it wasn't them that made it.  You can match the video footage to the transcripts and the photos and see it was always claimed to be from the same EVA.

A citation requires evidence,  where is the evidence that NASA faked something?   Anything?,   you claim they edit photo's in a misleading way, well here's your big chance  show me one,  together with a statement from NASA to that effect.

Oh, and calling you a creepy troll,  doesn't constitute a meltdown,  that just facts supported by evidence.

Lol, meltdown ahoy.

The evidence speaks for itself, you of course will wail and squeal for another five pages,

A "creepy troll"  trolling my own thread  whilst you completely lose the plot and call me a Welsh duck herder 

The facts held within this thread should leave any impartial onlooker with no doubts as to the "facts".

what is the most compelling evidence YOU believe supports the idea men landed on the moon.

what is the most compelling evidence YOU believe supports the idea men landed on the moon.

What's YOUR most compelling evidence that they didn't.    You obviously subscribe to the conspiracy theory,  so  how  was it faked.  And where is the proof.

I'll accept proof of ANY moon mission having been faked  by ANY country,   China,  India,  Russia,  United States,  etc...   

What convinced YOU that there is a conspiracy?

Please don't have a meltdown frenat,
lets just look at this properly.

You are going down the "third party" route.
and claiming the footage has always being labelled correctly.

The doc was sponsered by NASA.
I don't think NASA are in business of producing movies (not officially anyway  )
So of course the movie was produced by a third party (duh),
sponsered (paid for) by NASA.

NASA obviously gave the producers the (what you claim as) correctly labelled film.
This was then incorrectly edited into the documentary and no one noticed for decades,
NO ONE.
please remember the year of production is 1972.

Remind me what year NASA suddenly realised documented history was discovered to have being incorrectly labelled in the documentary NASA paid for ?

Didn't anyone at NASA watch it ?
That's hard to believe.
Didn't anyone at NASA notice the obvious mistake ?
That's also hard to believe.
How did the production company working on behalf of NASA take one "correctly labelled" EVA and edit it as two different EVAs on two different days at two different locations ?
that sounds almost impossible to do,
doesn't it ?

I look forward to your response.

What is the most compelling evidence in your opinion that supports men went to the moon ?

Please don't have a meltdown frenat,

Meltdown?  How is laughing at you a meltdown?

lets just look at this properly.

You are going down the "third party" route.
and claiming the footage has always being labelled correctly.

The doc was sponsered by NASA.

citation needed.  Then show that any such sponsorship would have extended to making sure it was edited correctly.  Is there a "make sure third-party documentaries don't screw up" department at NASA? 

I don't think NASA are in business of producing movies (not officially anyway  )
So of course the movie was produced by a third party (duh),
sponsered (paid for) by NASA.

NASA obviously gave the producers the (what you claim as) correctly labelled film.
This was then incorrectly edited into the documentary and no one noticed for decades,
NO ONE.
please remember the year of production is 1972.

Remind me what year NASA suddenly realised documented history was discovered to have being incorrectly labelled in the documentary NASA paid for ?

I don't know.  This is YOUR claim.

Didn't anyone at NASA watch it ?
That's hard to believe.
Didn't anyone at NASA notice the obvious mistake ?
That's also hard to believe.
How did the production company working on behalf of NASA take one "correctly labelled" EVA and edit it as two different EVAs on two different days at two different locations ?

Mistakes happen.  Is it impossible?

that sounds almost impossible to do,
doesn't it ?

Are you an editing expert now?

What's YOUR most compelling evidence that they didn't.    You obviously subscribe to the conspiracy theory,  so  how  was it faked.  And where is the proof.

I'll accept proof of ANY moon mission having been faked  by ANY country,   China,  India,  Russia,  United States,  etc...   

What convinced YOU that there is a conspiracy?

maybe you should start your own thread,
Because this thread is asking what is YOUR most compelling evidence that makes YOU believe men golfed on the moon.

I'm afraid your meltdown foot stamping demands are waved away kid,
any of your immature insults are just water of a ducks back 

Quote from: Rayzor on February 11, 2016, 06:17:22 AM

What's YOUR most compelling evidence that they didn't.    You obviously subscribe to the conspiracy theory,  so  how  was it faked.  And where is the proof.

I'll accept proof of ANY moon mission having been faked  by ANY country,   China,  India,  Russia,  United States,  etc...   

What convinced YOU that there is a conspiracy?

maybe you should start your own thread,
Because this thread is asking what is YOUR most compelling evidence that makes YOU believe men golfed on the moon.

I'm afraid your meltdown foot stamping demands are waved away kid,
any of your immature insults are just water of a ducks back 

The title of the thread is Moon HOAX information index,  you  obviously  have a conspiracy mindset,  and are exhibiting all the classic symptoms. 

What immature insults?   

FAO frenat.

I'm going to type slowly so that the facts are not missed.
Please note who is named in the credits.


 Apollo 16: Nothing So Hidden by Don Weisman [ spelling mistake left as found]

Published 1972
Usage Public Domain
Topics NASA
, Apollo
, Apollo 16



NASA documentary on the flight of Apollo 16. Film includes launch, lunar landing, traverses on foot and in the "moon buggy, and return to earth. NASA film HQ-222

Run time 28:14
Producer Don Weisman
Production Company A-V Corporation, Houston, TX
Sponsor NASA
Audio/Visual sound, color.

 "Cat. no. 11183"--Cassette label.

Credits:Writer/producer, Don Wiseman ; editor, Brian Beasley ; project officer (NASA), Kenneth Grimm ; project director (NASA), Andrew M. Sea.

Performer(s):Introduction by astronaut Charlie Duke.
Narrated by Stan Wessel.

Series Title:American space odyssey
, v. 11

Responsibility:the National Aeronautics and Space Administration ; produced by A-V Corporation.
 

Quite where you go from here is unclear,
Maybe an apology is in order 

FAO frenat.

I'm going to type slowly so that the facts are not missed.
Please note who is named in the credits.


 Apollo 16: Nothing So Hidden by Don Weisman [ spelling mistake left as found]

Published 1972
Usage Public Domain
Topics NASA
, Apollo
, Apollo 16



NASA documentary on the flight of Apollo 16. Film includes launch, lunar landing, traverses on foot and in the "moon buggy, and return to earth. NASA film HQ-222

Run time 28:14
Producer Don Weisman
Production Company A-V Corporation, Houston, TX
Sponsor NASA
Audio/Visual sound, color.

 "Cat. no. 11183"--Cassette label.

Credits:Writer/producer, Don Wiseman ; editor, Brian Beasley ; project officer (NASA), Kenneth Grimm ; project director (NASA), Andrew M. Sea.

Performer(s):Introduction by astronaut Charlie Duke.
Narrated by Stan Wessel.

Series Title:American space odyssey
, v. 11

Responsibility:the National Aeronautics and Space Administration ; produced by A-V Corporation.
 

Quite where you go from here is unclear,
Maybe an apology is in order 

apologize for what?  You provided something that shows they were a sponsor (though oddly you seem incapable of providing links so others can verify what you post).  Good for you.  And that proves editing mistakes are impossible by the third party how?  We still have not seen that NASA made the claim.  Only that it was made in a third-party documentary.  Have you asked Don Weisman about this?  Or Brian Beasley (the editor)?  Have you looked at the footage provided by NASA?  The claim in the documentary is made in a voiceover while providing a visual from what I understand is continuous footage from the same EVA as the previous clip.  All available evidence points towards editing mistake.

citation needed.  Then show that any such sponsorship would have extended to making sure it was edited correctly.  Is there a "make sure third-party documentaries don't screw up" department at NASA? 

Please let me lead you by the hand to -

Credits - what do you see ?
Responsibility - what do you see ?

This information took less than a minute to find,
I've noticed you suddenly hate search engines and are incapable of the most rudimentary research, even when given a jump off point.

I see you are also still clinging to your original mistaken claims,
even when given clear checkable evidence,
that's just poor form mate.

But please continue,
It's all the same to me. 

What is your most compelling evidence men landed on the moon ? 

Quote from: Yendor on February 10, 2016, 10:38:43 AM

Some of which you are seeing is shadows that may not match up perfectly because the lighting angles are different. You can see in both pictures the big round glow of the light is not exactly in the same spot in both photos. In AS15-82-11082 the glow is almost perfect center and AS15-82-11057 it is slightly to the left. Also, doesn't the sun look a little funny to you? It looks like a stage light to me. Probably not to you. I'd say for all practical purposes both photos match pretty well. Enough to convince a logical thinker I'm sure.

These pictures keep coming up time and time again, and they have been debunked over and over,  if you got sucked in,  that just means your baloney detector need calibrating. 

The pictures that you are pretending to discover are from a book by a flat earth nutter.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=4_VqCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=AS15-82-11082&source=bl&ots=N-hUO9Z--H&sig=eN06vdoKvCRB8jntLgMrlVrchtI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjl-NWPtu7KAhVIW5QKHSxzD70Q6AEISTAI#v=onepage&q=AS15-82-11082&f=false

How about something original?     You've got 14000 high resolution pictures to choose from,  as well as thousands of hours of unedited original video footage,  if  all of the hundreds of space missions were faked then surely there's  better evidence,  than a picture showing the LEM  hidden behind a hill.   

You won't actually find any evidence that the moon landings were faked, simply because they were real. 

Oh,  and the debunking of those pictures is here.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=2SL1BQAAQBAJ&pg=PA102&dq=AS15-82-11057&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM-Yi8ue7KAhXKKZQKHcWzC6kQ6AEILzAD#v=onepage&q=AS15-82-11057&f=false

Rayzor, It saddens me when I read posts like this from you. I have a lot of respect for you and I think these kind of posts are beneath you. They are hateful and you only do them to anger me. I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes or say I didn't find this information from what others have posted. I was simply showing what I found and the reasons I believe they show fakery. If you don't agree, that's fine, I really don't expect you to. I just think when a point is made by someone, the honorable thing the other person should do is simply offer a counterpoint. Not get all up in someones face and try to belittle them. That just causes hate and discontent.

Please let me lead you by the hand to -

Credits - what do you see ?
Responsibility - what do you see ?

This information took less than a minute to find,
I've noticed you suddenly hate search engines and are incapable of the most rudimentary research, even when given a jump off point.

I see you are also still clinging to your original mistaken claims,
even when given clear checkable evidence,
that's just poor form mate.

I see an editor who is not a NASA employee as well as a director.  Sure NASA was involved but were they there for the whole editing process? 
You still have not proven it was anything other than an editing mistake.  I know you desperately want this to be a NASA screw up but you just haven't proven that.  In the end this was a short film made for classrooms that was clearly edited.  Does the original footage make the claim it was the same EVA?  I'm betting not and you haven't proven it does.

I don't hate search engines.  But this is not my claim.  YOU should support your claim and give links when you post quotes

As for poor form, it is poor form to include citations without giving a source.

  " Sure NASA was involved" frenat

 

Anyone is free to spend 60 seconds to verify the other facts,
am I sweating ?
No.
Am I worried ?
No
Am I even that bothered ?
Not really...

Just waiting for you to post YOUR most compelling evidence man walked on the moon 

 whilst I'm waiting....

 

  " Sure NASA was involved" frenat

 

Anyone is free to spend 60 seconds to verify the other facts,
am I sweating ?
No.
Am I worried ?
No
Am I even that bothered ?
Not really...

Have you proven it is anything other than an editing mistake?  also no.

NASA was involved in that they provided the footage.  Were they involved with editing? Did the footage they provided make the claim it was from two EVAs?  No.

whilst I'm waiting....

 

And?

Hey frenat,

What do YOU believe to be the most compelling evidence man shuffled on the moon ?

Rayzor, It saddens me when I read posts like this from you. I have a lot of respect for you and I think these kind of posts are beneath you. They are hateful and you only do them to anger me. I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes or say I didn't find this information from what others have posted. I was simply showing what I found and the reasons I believe they show fakery. If you don't agree, that's fine, I really don't expect you to. I just think when a point is made by someone, the honorable thing the other person should do is simply offer a counterpoint. Not get all up in someones face and try to belittle them. That just causes hate and discontent.

Sorry,  I could have said it a bit more tactfully,  there  are plenty of claims and counter claims about Apollo pictures,  and every single time,  the pictures are shown to be genuine, and it's just that someone either didn't understand what they were looking at,  or are so steeped in confirmation bias that they start seeing things that aren't even there. 

That in a nutshell is what the moon landing conspiracy people are all about,  a paranoid distrust of authority,  and extreme confirmation bias.   

Yendor,   you are better than that,  you have the ability to see through the bs, scams and lies.   There is a mountain of evidence that the moon landings were real.   To deny that evidence is a sign of  some deeper psychological problem.

And none of you have addressed the Fact that the logistics of taking 14,000 near-perfect photos & thousands of hours of video by three men who were also allegedly piloting a spaceship, doing experiments, checking equipment, getting in & out of space-suits, etc, etc, PLUS the sheer amount of film & vidotape required, would be Impossible...

Maybe that's because no one ever claimed that's how it happened.  Well, at least no one who knows what they're talking about.

NO U!!!

Thank you for your valueless contribution.

Quote from: markjo on February 11, 2016, 09:46:15 PM

NO U!!!

Look at me, I'm clever.

No, you aren't.

NO U!!!

Thank you for your valueless contribution.

From the OP:

What do YOU believe to be the most compelling evidence man shuffled on the moon ?

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 05, 2016, 09:17:57 AM

Damn! Homie Rayzor just owned all y'alls' asses!

I like that  GlobeDebunker guy,  he's very perceptive.   y'all.     

All you & markjo can do is troll, astroturf & derail, ain't it?

You were asking where the 'Homie Rayzor' thing came from.

Here's where you wrote it, using your GlobeDebunker ID:

Damn! Homie Rayzor just owned all y'alls' asses!

LOL!!!

Were you still in your shitty 'ICFreely' character, OG Pimp-daddy?

Anyhoo, this:

every single time,  the pictures are shown to be genuine

Oh, well, if you say so Mr. 'I don't need no steenking Evidence!'

And none of you have addressed the Fact that the logistics of taking 14,000 near-perfect photos & thousands of hours of video by three men who were also allegedly piloting a spaceship, doing experiments, checking equipment, getting in & out of space-suits, etc, etc, PLUS the sheer amount of film & vidotape required, would be Impossible...

But hey; all Rayzor needs do is say 'It is real' & Lo - it is so!

What a Fantasist he is!

Tell us again about your trip to CERN, your two physicist sons, your trip to see the space shuttle take off, your adventures in Switzerland, & all the other bullshit you've relentlessly spammed us with, you preposterous old Fraud...

But hey; all Rayzor needs do is say 'It is real' & Lo - it is so!

Glad to see you finally agree.    Took you long enough.   Do you need to consult with your interior decorator before continuing.    We all know how good painters are at fizzicks.

Sorry,  I could have said it a bit more tactfully,  there  are plenty of claims and counter claims about Apollo pictures,  and every single time,  the pictures are shown to be genuine, and it's just that someone either didn't understand what they were looking at,  or are so steeped in confirmation bias that they start seeing things that aren't even there. 

That in a nutshell is what the moon landing conspiracy people are all about,  a paranoid distrust of authority,  and extreme confirmation bias.   

Yendor,   you are better than that,  you have the ability to see through the bs, scams and lies.   There is a mountain of evidence that the moon landings were real.   To deny that evidence is a sign of  some deeper psychological problem.

Ha ha ha ha ha....what a load of uneducated misinterpreted waffle.

Please expand on how you are free from the effects of the human condition 
All humans have an inbuilt "confirmation bias" 
It's how the brain works,

But hey, you are the google genius  who is spouting nonsense about a subject you have no clue about  and are.claiming to know what a "psychological problem" is 

Your default position is an appeal to authority without addressing any issue directly, and when you do attempt it we end up in fail country,
This thread is exhibit A,
Or you start insulting people with your made up and incorrect psychological evolution  .

Let me offer you a little truth on the matter,
the nonsense you parrot is for the uneducated and gullible,
you of course swallow it hook line and sinker,
which is expected because you are the classic mark this is aimed at.

I actually feel bad for you,
I hate to see any vulnerable person manipulated and conned.

I will be thinking of you buddy.

Fuek - still haven't explained why you highlighted the image of the family photo on the lunar surface.

Ha ha ha ha ha....what a load of uneducated misinterpreted waffle.

Please expand on how you are free from the effects of the human condition 
All humans have an inbuilt "confirmation bias" 
It's how the brain works,

But hey, you are the google genius  who is spouting nonsense about a subject you have no clue about  and are.claiming to know what a "psychological problem" is 

Your default position is an appeal to authority without addressing any issue directly, and when you do attempt it we end up in fail country,
This thread is exhibit A,
Or you start insulting people with your made up and incorrect psychological evolution  .

Let me offer you a little truth on the matter,
the nonsense you parrot is for the uneducated and gullible,
you of course swallow it hook line and sinker,
which is expected because you are the classic mark this is aimed at.

I actually feel bad for you,
I hate to see any vulnerable person manipulated and conned.

I will be thinking of you buddy.

Interesting response,   you  accept that the moon landings  ( and all space travel ) is faked  with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

You think  contrails are loaded with chemicals with no evidence whatever.   

What other weird  conspiracy ideas have you accepted with little or no evidence?

What do you understand  about the term "confirmation bias"  and how it applies to the evaluation of evidence?

What is your most authoritative source of information on the moon landings,  and chemtrails,   and how have you verified that information?
 

Fuek - still haven't explained why you highlighted the image of the family photo on the lunar surface.

One of the astronauts famously left a family photo on the moon,  as to why feuk thinks it's  relevant to the discussion,  who knows?