Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.

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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #480 on: May 03, 2016, 05:39:34 AM »
Newton's laws of motion & all the Gas laws explicitly forbid space flight as described, as do large chunks of thermodynamics...

So go argue with them & leave me out of it.

Meanwhile:

Is it possible for reflective particles sprayed from a plane to enhance troposcatter?  Sure.

There you go.

Add this to the empirical observation of both chemtrails & planes, plus the known methods of radio triangulation, troposcatter, etc, & you have a working hypothesis that does not require the ASSUMPTION of impossible trashcans in space.

Occam's Razor therefore says I win.

Deal with it.
so cherry-picking quotes is all you've got.  You ignored the rest of the post that showed why your idea wouldn't work.

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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #481 on: May 03, 2016, 05:48:29 AM »
Newton's laws of motion & all the Gas laws explicitly forbid space flight as described, as do large chunks of thermodynamics...

So go argue with them & leave me out of it.

Argue with who? YOU are the one makingabsurd claims based on ignorance and incredulity. YOU are the one denying space flight. YOU are the one who needs to put up or shut up.

So, let's here exactly why space flight is forbidden based on Newtons laws of motion? Gas laws and thermodynamics? LOL. That's hilarious. Have you tried stand up comedy?

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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #482 on: May 03, 2016, 05:58:46 AM »
rockets work using most simple tenet of conservation of momentum.

No they don't.

They work via the formula Force=Pressure x Area, the Force being created via Newton's 3rd law as the rocket exhaust Presses against the external mass of the atmosphere at the Area of the nozzle exit.

Ergo, No Atmosphere = No Force.

Everybody knows this except plebs, retards & shills; you are the latter.

You ignored the rest of the post that showed why your idea wouldn't work.

No I didn't; it's all been dealt with.

Thanks for your lying & shilling though!

Any genuine empirical evidence for GPS satellites yet btw?

No?

meh...

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Nice...
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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #483 on: May 03, 2016, 06:02:49 AM »
You ignored the rest of the post that showed why your idea wouldn't work.

No I didn't; it's all been dealt with.
No, you didn't deal with it.  That would have required presenting evidence.  Everyone knows you don't do that.

any evidence of content of your "chemtrails" yet?

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« Reply #484 on: May 03, 2016, 06:16:17 AM »
Just gonna chillax a bit til your Lying & Shilling frenzy's over...

Get a beer maybe, listen to some music?

Hey; how's it feel being a criminal btw?

You do know that what you're doing is illegal, don't you?

No?

Well it is...

Anyhoo; beer & tunes!
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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #485 on: May 03, 2016, 06:18:11 AM »
Just gonna chillax a bit til your Lying & Shilling frenzy's over...

Get a beer maybe, listen to some music?

Hey; how's it feel being a criminal btw?

You do know that what you're doing is illegal, don't you?

No?

Well it is...

Anyhoo; beer & tunes!
Asking you to present evidence while posting on a forum in my free time is not illegal.  Not in the US anyway.  Maybe in North Korea?

Ever get any evidence of the content of your "chemtrails"?  No?


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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #486 on: May 03, 2016, 06:23:36 AM »
rockets work using most simple tenet of conservation of momentum.

No they don't.

They work via the formula Force=Pressure x Area, the Force being created via Newton's 3rd law as the rocket exhaust Presses against the external mass of the atmosphere at the Area of the nozzle exit.

Ergo, No Atmosphere = No Force.
Cool story, bro.  Except that in your beloved F = Pressure x Area, there is no term for mass, so how do you determine how much atmospheric mass the force needs to push against?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #487 on: May 03, 2016, 06:43:54 AM »
Except that in your beloved F = Pressure x Area, there is no term for mass, so how do you determine how much atmospheric mass the force needs to push against?

LOL!!!

And the shill-clowns accuse me of making up my own physics...

Comedy Gold plus beer plus tunes; result!

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« Reply #488 on: May 03, 2016, 07:42:45 AM »
Except that in your beloved F = Pressure x Area, there is no term for mass, so how do you determine how much atmospheric mass the force needs to push against?

LOL!!!

And the shill-clowns accuse me of making up my own physics...

Comedy Gold plus beer plus tunes; result!
It isn't so much that you make up your own physics as you seem to have your own creative interpretation of accepted physics.  Like claiming that F=ma and conservation of momentum don't apply to gasses, even though gasses do have mass.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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« Reply #489 on: May 03, 2016, 07:50:02 AM »
It isn't so much that you make up your own physics as you seem to have your own creative interpretation of accepted physics

 ::)

Like claiming that F=ma and conservation of momentum don't apply to gasses, even though gasses do have mass.

 ::)

Except that in your beloved F = Pressure x Area, there is no term for mass, so how do you determine how much atmospheric mass the force needs to push against?

 ::)
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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #490 on: May 03, 2016, 07:59:40 AM »
It isn't so much that you make up your own physics as you seem to have your own creative interpretation of accepted physics

 ::)

Like claiming that F=ma and conservation of momentum don't apply to gasses, even though gasses do have mass.

 ::)

Except that in your beloved F = Pressure x Area, there is no term for mass, so how do you determine how much atmospheric mass the force needs to push against?

 ::)
I think that I broke Papa Legba.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #491 on: May 03, 2016, 08:17:12 AM »
I think that I broke Papa Legba.

LOL!!!

Nah, I'm just kicking back with a beer watching you tie yourself in disinfo-knots trying to misrepresent such a simple concept as Pressure.

See, markjo, we've been here before...

You did the same then & you'll do the same now.

Which is why no-one sincere posts here any more...

Cos you & your massive shilling & sock-puppeting & manipulation of the forum have driven them all away.

So it's just you & me...

And I know all your tricks.

Cos Legba sees all Voodoo all the time...

Now; carry on dancing for Papa!

Start by explaining EXACTLY what you meant by this:

Except that in your beloved F = Pressure x Area, there is no term for mass, so how do you determine how much atmospheric mass the force needs to push against?
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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #492 on: May 03, 2016, 08:43:46 AM »
I think that I broke Papa Legba.

LOL!!!

Nah, I'm just kicking back with a beer watching you tie yourself in disinfo-knots trying to misrepresent such a simple concept as Pressure.
Pressure is simply force per unit of area.  You're the one claiming that it must push against the mass of the atmosphere.  I contend that all it needs to push against is the walls of the combustion chamber.


Start by explaining EXACTLY what you meant by this:

Except that in your beloved F = Pressure x Area, there is no term for mass, so how do you determine how much atmospheric mass the force needs to push against?
I was simply responding to this:
They work via the formula Force=Pressure x Area, the Force being created via Newton's 3rd law as the rocket exhaust Presses against the external mass of the atmosphere at the Area of the nozzle exit.

Ergo, No Atmosphere = No Force.
How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

In other words, how do you solve F=ma in your little world?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #493 on: May 03, 2016, 09:08:30 AM »
I think that I broke Papa Legba.

LOL!!!

Nah, I'm just kicking back with a beer watching you tie yourself in disinfo-knots trying to misrepresent such a simple concept as Pressure.
Pressure is simply force per unit of area.  You're the one claiming that it must push against the mass of the atmosphere.  I contend that all it needs to push against is the walls of the combustion chamber.


Start by explaining EXACTLY what you meant by this:

Except that in your beloved F = Pressure x Area, there is no term for mass, so how do you determine how much atmospheric mass the force needs to push against?
I was simply responding to this:
They work via the formula Force=Pressure x Area, the Force being created via Newton's 3rd law as the rocket exhaust Presses against the external mass of the atmosphere at the Area of the nozzle exit.

Ergo, No Atmosphere = No Force.
How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

In other words, how do you solve F=ma in your little world?

 ::)

I just hope there's some real scientists lurking around, now you've scared all the honest posters off with your psychotic control-freakery...

Cos they'll be horrified at the convoluted nonsense you are spamming.

Really; you have gone completely mental & all I can be bothered doing is giving you plenty of rope with which to hang yourself...

Now, Dance for Papa!
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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #494 on: May 03, 2016, 09:30:38 AM »
I just hope there's some real scientists lurking around, now you've scared all the honest posters off with your psychotic control-freakery...

Cos they'll be horrified at the convoluted nonsense you are spamming.
I'm just trying to make sense of your interpretation of how rockets work.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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« Reply #495 on: May 03, 2016, 09:39:38 AM »
I'm just trying to make sense of your interpretation of how rockets work.

My interpretation of how rockets work has nothing to do with your inability to comprehend simple physical laws & terms, or express yourself in logical fashion, markjo.

For example, please explain what you meant by this:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?


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« Reply #496 on: May 03, 2016, 10:43:27 AM »
I'm just trying to make sense of your interpretation of how rockets work.

My interpretation of how rockets work has nothing to do with your inability to comprehend simple physical laws & terms, or express yourself in logical fashion, markjo.

For example, please explain what you meant by this:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?
Quite simple.

Force = mass x acceleration.

Force = pressure pushing against the atmosphere at the exit of the rocket engine

Mass = ?
Acceleration = ?

Please fill in the missing terms.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #497 on: May 03, 2016, 12:33:06 PM »
Quite simple.

Force = mass x acceleration.

Force = pressure pushing against the atmosphere at the exit of the rocket engine

Mass = ?
Acceleration = ?

Please fill in the missing terms.

 ::)

The 'missing terms' are not 'missing' at all.

Read again:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

And explain.

I really do hope there are a few scientists reading this...
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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #498 on: May 03, 2016, 12:35:51 PM »
*sigh*

Let's try a little true or false quiz.

Force = pressure x area - True or false?

Force = mass x acceleration - True of false?
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« Reply #499 on: May 03, 2016, 12:49:28 PM »
Force = pressure x area - True or false?

Force = mass x acceleration - True of false?

 ::)

I never said either were false, because they are not.

So stop avoiding the point.

I simply asked you to explain this:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

You wrote it.

Now explain it.

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« Reply #500 on: May 03, 2016, 12:56:49 PM »
Force = pressure x area - True or false?

Force = mass x acceleration - True of false?

 ::)

I never said either were false, because they are not.

So stop avoiding the point.

I simply asked you to explain this:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

You wrote it.

Now explain it.

Remember; a scientist may still be lurking!
If both are true, then both apply to the rocket engine. 

You insist that the force of the pressure must push against the atmosphere, right?

If so, then the force of the pressure is accelerating an equivalent mass of the atmosphere, right?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #501 on: May 03, 2016, 01:04:05 PM »
You insist that the force of the pressure must push against the atmosphere, right?
If so, then the force of the pressure is accelerating an equivalent mass of the atmosphere, right?

Yes, we all know force-pairings are how N3 works.

Now, explain this:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

You wrote it.

Now explain it.

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Re: Tinfoil Hat Chemtrails.
« Reply #502 on: May 03, 2016, 01:15:09 PM »
You insist that the force of the pressure must push against the atmosphere, right?
If so, then the force of the pressure is accelerating an equivalent mass of the atmosphere, right?

Yes, we all know force-pairings are how N3 works.

Now, explain this:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

You wrote it.

Now explain it.
I'm not sure how much more plainly I can put it.

Perhaps you should tell me what part is confusing you.
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« Reply #503 on: May 03, 2016, 01:21:01 PM »
You have already admitted that a force-pairing is created at the nozzle.

Look:

You insist that the force of the pressure must push against the atmosphere, right?
If so, then the force of the pressure is accelerating an equivalent mass of the atmosphere, right?

Now, all I am asking is that you explain a statement that you made.

This:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

Well; how much?

Do you not know the answer?

Whilst we wait for markjo to work through the implications of his latest foot-in-mouth shitposts, let us consider this:

GPS can be explained without satellites, via known technology & observable phenomena.

Such as radio triangulation, airplanes, troposcatter & chemtrails.

Occam's Razor states that the explanation requiring the least assumptions is most likely correct.

So, if GPS can be explained without the huge assumption of physics-defying flying trashcans in shpayze, then that explanation is most likely correct.

All of which you know already.

So; over to you: either provide genuine empirical evidence for the existence of GPS satellites or admit defeat...


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« Reply #504 on: May 03, 2016, 01:22:21 PM »

. . . the rocket exhaust Presses against the external mass of the atmosphere at the Area of the nozzle exit.



The expanding gas "presses" against the inside of the exhaust bell
in all directions.

It can not "press" against the open end.

Thrust happens inside the exhaust bell.

The fire coming out the back is impressive waste.

You shills REALLY need to watch your vocabulary.


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« Reply #505 on: May 03, 2016, 01:30:27 PM »
Thrust happens inside the exhaust bell.

Says you.

Markjo says this though:

all it needs to push against is the walls of the combustion chamber.

Oops!

Luckily, I know that thrust is created at the nozzle exit.

But thanks for jumping in outa nowhere to try & save markjo from inevitable death by logic...

It doesn't look at all contrived & is completely normal, totally legit, etc, etc...

*Yawn!*

This is why there are no flat earthers on this forum btw...

Cos it's run by shills from the top down & everybody knows it..
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« Reply #506 on: May 03, 2016, 01:35:27 PM »
You have already admitted that a force-pairing is created at the nozzle.

Look:

You insist that the force of the pressure must push against the atmosphere, right?
If so, then the force of the pressure is accelerating an equivalent mass of the atmosphere, right?

Now, all I am asking is that you explain a statement that you made.

This:

How much mass must the force push against in order to accelerate?

Well; how much?

Do you not know the answer?

Whilst we wait for markjo to work through the implications of his latest foot-in-mouth shitposts, let us consider this:

GPS can be explained without satellites, via known technology & observable phenomena.

Such as radio triangulation, airplanes, troposcatter & chemtrails.

Occam's Razor states that the explanation requiring the least assumptions is most likely correct.

So, if GPS can be explained without the huge assumption of physics-defying flying trashcans in shpayze, then that explanation is most likely correct.

All of which you know already.

So; over to you: either provide genuine empirical evidence for the existence of GPS satellites or admit defeat...

Again, provide details of actual GPS transmitter sites and explain how 20 US and Russian signals can be received in the middle of oceans.  What does your GPS receiver show as transmitter details?

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« Reply #507 on: May 03, 2016, 01:39:24 PM »
Yep, the Clown Derfer Rescue Party's arrived!

With a big rucksack fulla strawmen & bullshit..

How VERY convenient for markjo!

Really; this is why no-one posts here any more.

There's just Legba & 29,000 shills & sock-puppets left.
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« Reply #508 on: May 03, 2016, 01:40:56 PM »
Thrust happens inside the exhaust bell.

Says you.

Markjo says this though:

all it needs to push against is the walls of the combustion chamber.

Oops!



Same reality.




Luckily, I know that thrust is created at the nozzle exit.



Did you learn that in a dream or from a comic book?




You shills REALLY need to watch your vocabulary.


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« Reply #509 on: May 03, 2016, 01:44:22 PM »
Did you learn that in a dream or from a comic book?

Learnt it from every serious textbook on the subject ever written.

Not that you'd know.

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