Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1860 on: March 18, 2016, 07:55:42 AM »
I think Little Poppa's having a fit!
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1861 on: March 18, 2016, 08:01:59 AM »
And I didn't even have to mention the continuum assumption...

Which is another bit of real science concerning the behaviour of gasses that helps bury your sci-fi bullshit.

Clinking-clanking billiard-ball molecules in teh combustion chamber...

LOL!!!
Huh, can you please give an overview of this argument? I'm curious what it is.

The continuum assumption is a method of simplifying fluid dynamics modelling by removing the need to model each individual fluid particle separately, by make broad assumptions of the ways large groups of particles tend to behave. Papa is too stupid to realise it is a only modelling technique and does not literally mean that fluids are not comprised of particles.
Papa Legba is also too stupid to realize that continuum mechanics is actually quite useful in studying rocket engines.  Here is something that he obviously worn't read, but neutral readers might find it interesting.  This quote starts on page 38 and continues with several pages worth of analysis.
Momentum Budget

The budget for momentum is more complicated than that for mass for two
reasons. First momentum is a vector, so the flux of momentum is a second order
tensor. Second, external forces as well as the material transport of momentum
enter the balance. Thus, a verbal statement of the momentum budget of some
system is that the rate of change of momentum in the system equals the rate of
inflow minus the rate of outflow via mass transport, plus the total external force
on the system. Consideration of certain classical physics problems helps us to
better understand the notion of a momentum budget. The problem of an acceler-
ating rocket is particularly illuminating.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1862 on: March 18, 2016, 09:23:28 AM »
Why are you still replying when I've said repeatedly that I will neither read nor respond to you?

Nothing you can say hasn't already been answered.

We're done here.

You're just showing how obsessed you are.

Look:

You just don't get it do you?

I've said all I need to say here.

I have no desire to fill my brain with your mind-boggling garbage any more.

So I'm not reading it.

It's over.

Look:

I'm not reading your offensive anti-scientific garbage so why are you posting it?

You're mental, aren't you?

Here, dyslexia-face:

Again, I'm not reading your nonsense.

This thread is done, & you lost.

Again.

The fraud-mods can lock it anytime they like.

Because, unlike the other four threads I kicked your asses in, this one is actually called 'Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum'.

Thus, anybody searching for that term will be able to find it.

They will read it from the start, see that I am right & that you are not only wrong but increasingly demented the longer it gets.

And I didn't even have to mention the continuum assumption...

Which is another bit of real science concerning the behaviour of gasses that helps bury your sci-fi bullshit.

Clinking-clanking billiard-ball molecules in teh combustion chamber...

LOL!!!

Again, I am not reading your childish replies.

Despite your attempts to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted, you yourselves insisted that a rocket was an Open System.

You agreed that this Open System works by creating Pressure via Gasses.

You agreed that this Open System is Finite.

This Open, Finite System must therefore work by creating Pressure via Gasses in an Infinite Vacuum.

And there are no Laws of Physics that support this possibility.

Not One.

Any neutral reader with the slightest knowledge of physics will agree with me.

You cannot prevent this.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1863 on: March 18, 2016, 09:34:57 AM »
Why are you still replying when I've said repeatedly that I will [not] respond to you?
Because that is demonstrably false.  Case in point.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1864 on: March 18, 2016, 09:38:08 AM »
Why are you still replying when I've said repeatedly that I will neither read nor respond to you?

Then just leave for Christ's sake.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1865 on: March 18, 2016, 09:38:59 AM »
I've already made up my mind.  Don't confuse me with the facts.
Ah yes, Papa Legba has a mind like a steel trap, rusted shut.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1866 on: March 18, 2016, 10:03:23 AM »
Lol papa.

Why continue answering at all?

100% proven laws and facts of physics can show you rockets work in a vacuum.

Its not us here thats the problem it's you. Nothing we say will persuade you.

Why did you create this thread in the first place?

Only to realise rockets do infact work in a vacuum. That's why you're throwing tantrums now.

You have lost, get over it.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2016, 10:05:01 AM by TylerJRB »

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1867 on: March 18, 2016, 10:12:09 AM »
I think Little Poppa's having a fit!

He's been having a continuous fit since the day he joined.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1868 on: March 18, 2016, 10:47:33 AM »
He's Rabid Bat Shit Crazy.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1869 on: March 18, 2016, 12:58:05 PM »
Hark, ye shadows that in darkness do dwell...

Learn to condemn light.

Why are you still replying when I've said repeatedly that I will neither read nor respond to you?

Nothing you can say hasn't already been answered.

We're done here.

You're just showing how obsessed you are.

Look:

You just don't get it do you?

I've said all I need to say here.

I have no desire to fill my brain with your mind-boggling garbage any more.

So I'm not reading it.

It's over.

Look:

I'm not reading your offensive anti-scientific garbage so why are you posting it?

You're mental, aren't you?

Here, dyslexia-face:

Again, I'm not reading your nonsense.

This thread is done, & you lost.

Again.

The fraud-mods can lock it anytime they like.

Because, unlike the other four threads I kicked your asses in, this one is actually called 'Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum'.

Thus, anybody searching for that term will be able to find it.

They will read it from the start, see that I am right & that you are not only wrong but increasingly demented the longer it gets.

And I didn't even have to mention the continuum assumption...

Which is another bit of real science concerning the behaviour of gasses that helps bury your sci-fi bullshit.

Clinking-clanking billiard-ball molecules in teh combustion chamber...

LOL!!!

Again, I am not reading your childish replies.

Despite your attempts to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted, you yourselves insisted that a rocket was an Open System.

You agreed that this Open System works by creating Pressure via Gasses.

You agreed that this Open System is Finite.

This Open, Finite System must therefore work by creating Pressure via Gasses in an Infinite Vacuum.

And there are no Laws of Physics that support this possibility.

Not One.

Any neutral reader with the slightest knowledge of physics will agree with me.

You cannot prevent this.
I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1870 on: March 18, 2016, 01:03:42 PM »
And yet, here you are!


And you have still not provided any peer reviewed math or experiments that support your views, I mean opinion. Because that is all you have OPINION.

We have peer reviewed math and peer reviewed experimentation.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1871 on: March 18, 2016, 01:14:43 PM »
Just not listening, are you ?

Hark, ye shadows that in darkness do dwell...

Learn to condemn light.

Why are you still replying when I've said repeatedly that I will neither read nor respond to you?

Nothing you can say hasn't already been answered.

We're done here.

You're just showing how obsessed you are.

Look:

You just don't get it do you?

I've said all I need to say here.

I have no desire to fill my brain with your mind-boggling garbage any more.

So I'm not reading it.

It's over.

Look:

I'm not reading your offensive anti-scientific garbage so why are you posting it?

You're mental, aren't you?

Here, dyslexia-face:

Again, I'm not reading your nonsense.

This thread is done, & you lost.

Again.

The fraud-mods can lock it anytime they like.

Because, unlike the other four threads I kicked your asses in, this one is actually called 'Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum'.

Thus, anybody searching for that term will be able to find it.

They will read it from the start, see that I am right & that you are not only wrong but increasingly demented the longer it gets.

And I didn't even have to mention the continuum assumption...

Which is another bit of real science concerning the behaviour of gasses that helps bury your sci-fi bullshit.

Clinking-clanking billiard-ball molecules in teh combustion chamber...

LOL!!!

Again, I am not reading your childish replies.

Despite your attempts to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted, you yourselves insisted that a rocket was an Open System.

You agreed that this Open System works by creating Pressure via Gasses.

You agreed that this Open System is Finite.

This Open, Finite System must therefore work by creating Pressure via Gasses in an Infinite Vacuum.

And there are no Laws of Physics that support this possibility.

Not One.

Any neutral reader with the slightest knowledge of physics will agree with me.

You cannot prevent this.
I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1872 on: March 18, 2016, 01:19:53 PM »
Just GTFO if you don't want to listen.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD!
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1873 on: March 18, 2016, 01:23:01 PM »
And yet, here you are!


And you have still not provided any peer reviewed math or experiments that support your views, I mean opinion. Because that is all you have OPINION.

We have peer reviewed math and peer reviewed experimentation.

What you have is this (https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/BGP/Shari_N/propulsion_act.htm):



Which is easily testable and refutable at home. Thus, what you believe is based on easily refutable bullshit, no matter what the mathematics might claim.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1874 on: March 18, 2016, 01:30:27 PM »
And yet, here you are!


And you have still not provided any peer reviewed math or experiments that support your views, I mean opinion. Because that is all you have OPINION.

We have peer reviewed math and peer reviewed experimentation.

What you have is this (https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/BGP/Shari_N/propulsion_act.htm):



Which is easily testable and refutable at home. Thus, what you believe is based on easily refutable bullshit, no matter what the mathematics might claim.

Bring forth some maths then to say why they wont work.

A vacuum chamber and mini rocket can be knocked up at home. And HAVE been tested by peter leane and the like. Rocket worked in a vacuum. So... prove us wrong.

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legion

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1875 on: March 18, 2016, 01:38:58 PM »
And yet, here you are!


And you have still not provided any peer reviewed math or experiments that support your views, I mean opinion. Because that is all you have OPINION.

We have peer reviewed math and peer reviewed experimentation.

What you have is this (https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/BGP/Shari_N/propulsion_act.htm):



Which is easily testable and refutable at home. Thus, what you believe is based on easily refutable bullshit, no matter what the mathematics might claim.

Bring forth some maths then to say why they wont work.

A vacuum chamber and mini rocket can be knocked up at home. And HAVE been tested by peter leane and the like. Rocket worked in a vacuum. So... prove us wrong.

I don't need a vacuum chamber. I have tested and refuted the graphic provided by nasa (which also doesn't need a vacuum chamber).

No maths required. Just observation.
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palmerito0

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1876 on: March 18, 2016, 02:17:34 PM »
Added to my FE experiment to-do list: release a balloon in a vacuum. If that doesn't work, I guess I could try a rocket.

Also, if anyone else tries it here's a way you can prove you are using a vacuum: throw a balloon in the chamber and show how it expands.
Heiwa on the impossibility of space travel:

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1877 on: March 18, 2016, 02:18:51 PM »
Could I see your "observations" so I can attempt to replicate them?
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1878 on: March 18, 2016, 02:23:26 PM »
Could I see your "observations" so I can attempt to replicate them?

Do your own observations.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1879 on: March 18, 2016, 02:23:46 PM »
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1880 on: March 18, 2016, 02:29:07 PM »
Could I see your "observations" so I can attempt to replicate them?

Do your own observations.

I'm sorry if I can out as rude when I put quotes around the word observations. I do, however, would like to know what you observed and how you observed it so I can replicate and see it with my own eyes.
Heiwa on the impossibility of space travel:

There are no toilets up there and sex is also a problem, just to mention a few difficulties.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1881 on: March 18, 2016, 02:38:14 PM »
Could I see your "observations" so I can attempt to replicate them?

Do your own observations.

I'm sorry if I can out as rude when I put quotes around the word observations. I do, however, would like to know what you observed and how you observed it so I can replicate and see it with my own eyes.

1. Fully blow up a party balloon.
2. Observe what happens when you release the air whilst still holding the balloon.
3. Does the balloon "bulge" at the end opposite to where the air is escaping?

Is that too hard for you to do for yourself? Get your parents to help if you're struggling.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1882 on: March 18, 2016, 03:02:26 PM »
Alright. I'll do this tomorrow. How am I supposed to know what experiment you had devised. Anyways, I hypothesis that there will be no bulge. This will likely happen dues to the fact that the pressure exerted on the exiting balloon would not be enough to stretch it in a significant way (I will see if this is true or not in my experiment as well).

I might even write a little research report on it if I feel like it lol
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1883 on: March 18, 2016, 03:15:06 PM »
It shouldn't bulge no.  It should stay the same shape as filled to the moment you let the nozzle free.

The net force inside is at equilibrium with the nozzle shut. Let the nozzle go and there is a hole yes? So air particles cannot apply a force because a piece is physically missing. But there is still force opposite to the hole. The same amount of force as before just there is nothing to counteract it. Thus the balloon will move due to an unbalanced force.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2016, 03:17:01 PM by TylerJRB »

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1884 on: March 18, 2016, 03:21:22 PM »
Papa, you ARE listening or you'd stop posting.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1885 on: March 18, 2016, 04:07:29 PM »
Noise is not speech.

A cow moos but it does not talk.

Learn to condemn light...

Hark, ye shadows that in darkness do dwell...

Learn to condemn light.

Why are you still replying when I've said repeatedly that I will neither read nor respond to you?

Nothing you can say hasn't already been answered.

We're done here.

You're just showing how obsessed you are.

Look:

You just don't get it do you?

I've said all I need to say here.

I have no desire to fill my brain with your mind-boggling garbage any more.

So I'm not reading it.

It's over.

Look:

I'm not reading your offensive anti-scientific garbage so why are you posting it?

You're mental, aren't you?

Here, dyslexia-face:

Again, I'm not reading your nonsense.

This thread is done, & you lost.

Again.

The fraud-mods can lock it anytime they like.

Because, unlike the other four threads I kicked your asses in, this one is actually called 'Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum'.

Thus, anybody searching for that term will be able to find it.

They will read it from the start, see that I am right & that you are not only wrong but increasingly demented the longer it gets.

And I didn't even have to mention the continuum assumption...

Which is another bit of real science concerning the behaviour of gasses that helps bury your sci-fi bullshit.

Clinking-clanking billiard-ball molecules in teh combustion chamber...

LOL!!!

Again, I am not reading your childish replies.

Despite your attempts to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted, you yourselves insisted that a rocket was an Open System.

You agreed that this Open System works by creating Pressure via Gasses.

You agreed that this Open System is Finite.

This Open, Finite System must therefore work by creating Pressure via Gasses in an Infinite Vacuum.

And there are no Laws of Physics that support this possibility.

Not One.

Any neutral reader with the slightest knowledge of physics will agree with me.

You cannot prevent this.
I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1886 on: March 18, 2016, 04:20:10 PM »
OP that none of you complied with...

Because Liars.

They cannot.

Newton's Laws of Motion, especially his 3rd, & the Joule-Thomson effect, i.e. Free Expansion of gas in a vacuum, both support this undeniable scientific Fact.

However, there appears to be a psychotic fraud-mod on this forum, pretending to be a 'rocket scientist' (lol he doesn't even know the basics!), who is determined to prevent you understanding this scientifically-established & experimentally-verifiable Fact...

So; here we go again!

A vacuum is Nothing; the very definition of the word in fact.

First question: how can you push on nothing?

Please supply the FULL definition of Newton's 3rd Law before answering, please!
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1887 on: March 18, 2016, 04:22:50 PM »
OP that none of you complied with...

Because Liars.

They cannot.

Newton's Laws of Motion, especially his 3rd, & the Joule-Thomson effect, i.e. Free Expansion of gas in a vacuum, both support this undeniable scientific Fact.

However, there appears to be a psychotic fraud-mod on this forum, pretending to be a 'rocket scientist' (lol he doesn't even know the basics!), who is determined to prevent you understanding this scientifically-established & experimentally-verifiable Fact...

So; here we go again!

A vacuum is Nothing; the very definition of the word in fact.

First question: how can you push on nothing?

Please supply the FULL definition of Newton's 3rd Law before answering, please!

Papa, what is it about the truth that scares you shitless? You're wrong, and you know it. Why can't you just admit it?
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1888 on: March 18, 2016, 05:06:36 PM »
OP that none of you complied with...

Because Liars.

They cannot.

Newton's Laws of Motion, especially his 3rd, & the Joule-Thomson effect, i.e. Free Expansion of gas in a vacuum, both support this undeniable scientific Fact.

However, there appears to be a psychotic fraud-mod on this forum, pretending to be a 'rocket scientist' (lol he doesn't even know the basics!), who is determined to prevent you understanding this scientifically-established & experimentally-verifiable Fact...

So; here we go again!

A vacuum is Nothing; the very definition of the word in fact.

First question: how can you push on nothing?

Please supply the FULL definition of Newton's 3rd Law before answering, please!
Already dealt with, but you refuse to hear any of it.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1889 on: March 18, 2016, 09:22:33 PM »
Could I see your "observations" so I can attempt to replicate them?

Do your own observations.

I'm sorry if I can out as rude when I put quotes around the word observations. I do, however, would like to know what you observed and how you observed it so I can replicate and see it with my own eyes.

1. Fully blow up a party balloon.
2. Observe what happens when you release the air whilst still holding the balloon.
3. Does the balloon "bulge" at the end opposite to where the air is escaping?

Is that too hard for you to do for yourself? Get your parents to help if you're struggling.
Please give ONE reason why the other side of the balloon should bulge. The pressure everywhere inside the balloon will be the same, except for a slight reduction near the exit where air is flowing out.

Yes, I know you don't accept the kinetic theory of gases!
Just a pity it has been so well proven.