Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1350 on: February 26, 2016, 06:46:13 AM »

To be honest you guys are letting him troll you. I already closed this discussion when I asked" where the fuck does energy go if rocket fuel can't create a force pair. And how does the system gain momentum without no external forces?" Papa knows he is wrong and he is just trolling all of you right now. He has no real argument left.

I'm fairly sure everyone knows. Some particularly perverse people probably enjoy seeing how he wriggles. They're weird.

Guilty as charged, I admit I like seeing him wriggle and twist, although Markjo is the real zen master.   

Does Papa know he's wrong?  I don't think he does,  I think he's a genuinely ignorant of the physics,  he certainly never passed any undergraduate physics courses.
Are you kidding? Legba been slapping you silly for nearly 69 pages.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1351 on: February 26, 2016, 06:48:54 AM »

To be honest you guys are letting him troll you. I already closed this discussion when I asked" where the fuck does energy go if rocket fuel can't create a force pair. And how does the system gain momentum without no external forces?" Papa knows he is wrong and he is just trolling all of you right now. He has no real argument left.

I'm fairly sure everyone knows. Some particularly perverse people probably enjoy seeing how he wriggles. They're weird.

Guilty as charged, I admit I like seeing him wriggle and twist, although Markjo is the real zen master.   

Does Papa know he's wrong?  I don't think he does,  I think he's a genuinely ignorant of the physics,  he certainly never passed any undergraduate physics courses.
Are you kidding? Legba been slapping you silly for nearly 69 pages.

More fool you.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1352 on: February 26, 2016, 06:56:32 AM »
Combustion gasses and water are both fluids.

Fantastic!

Fire=Water in Clown Derfer land now...

ROFLMFAO!!!

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1353 on: February 26, 2016, 06:58:23 AM »

To be honest you guys are letting him troll you. I already closed this discussion when I asked" where the fuck does energy go if rocket fuel can't create a force pair. And how does the system gain momentum without no external forces?" Papa knows he is wrong and he is just trolling all of you right now. He has no real argument left.

I'm fairly sure everyone knows. Some particularly perverse people probably enjoy seeing how he wriggles. They're weird.

Guilty as charged, I admit I like seeing him wriggle and twist, although Markjo is the real zen master.   

Does Papa know he's wrong?  I don't think he does,  I think he's a genuinely ignorant of the physics,  he certainly never passed any undergraduate physics courses.
Are you kidding? Legba been slapping you silly for nearly 69 pages.

67/69 pages is Legba insulting others because he doesn't understand physics.

Other stuff is some formulas he found on the internet he doesn't fully understand. Rockets can work very well in vacuum.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1354 on: February 26, 2016, 07:42:26 AM »
Are you kidding? Legba been slapping you silly for nearly 69 pages.

 
Agreed.

unfortunately the illusion is more important than the facts to some.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1355 on: February 26, 2016, 07:46:57 AM »
Are you kidding? Legba been slapping you silly for nearly 69 pages.

 
Agreed.

unfortunately the illusion is more important than the facts to some.

Papa didn't give any facts! What he said is straight up wrong. He says that opposing force doesn't get created in space because lack of atmosphere. This means gas expands but rocket doesn't move. This means energy that's coming out of the reaction is destroyed. Also without any external force total momentum of the system changes.

You don't need to be a physics major to understand something very simple.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1356 on: February 26, 2016, 07:47:22 AM »
Doublethink (noun): The acceptance of contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1357 on: February 26, 2016, 07:50:26 AM »
Doublethink (noun): The acceptance of contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.

Papa since you lost this argument why don't you create a thread for another one of your ridiculous middleearth claims. You should chose something that's not physics or I will keep slapping you everytime.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1358 on: February 26, 2016, 08:07:08 AM »
67/69 pages is Legba insulting others because he doesn't understand physics.

From the 1st page of the thread:

Papa Legba, why should we listen to a known illuminati shill like you?

Clown Derfers LOVE their Doublethink!

Doublethink (noun): The acceptance of contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.

Oh, & this is total anti-science bullshit too:

He says that opposing force doesn't get created in space because lack of atmosphere. This means gas expands but rocket doesn't move. This means energy that's coming out of the reaction is destroyed.

There is NO contradiction between Free Expansion & COM/COE.

NONE.

They are all repeatedly experimentally-verified, mutually-supportive SCIENTIFIC FACT.

You are a Liar.

No two ways about it; a Liar.

Toodle-pip, Liar!

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1359 on: February 26, 2016, 08:10:25 AM »
Are you kidding? Legba been slapping you silly for nearly 69 pages.

 
Agreed.

unfortunately the illusion is more important than the facts to some.

Haha! No. All he's been doing is pissing and waving his tiny peepee in a circle like a windmill getting piss all over his pants, shoes and shirt, and probably his computer too.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1360 on: February 26, 2016, 08:16:51 AM »
I thought this was an excellent example of how rockets work within and out of the atmosphere. Go ahead, legba, post the debate that something about the water mains discounts this experiment. It's not hard to tell the relation between the water and the expelling, burnt fuel. Thank you sokarul for finding this wonderful example.

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Again, credit for finding this vid goes to sokarul

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1361 on: February 26, 2016, 08:28:17 AM »
Combustion gasses and water are both fluids.

Fantastic!

Fire=Water in Clown Derfer land now...
So now you're saying that gasses are not fluids?  ???  :o

There is NO contradiction between Free Expansion & COM/COE.

NONE.

They are all repeatedly experimentally-verified, mutually-supportive SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Correct.  You just happen to be applying them to rockets incorrectly is all.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1362 on: February 26, 2016, 08:29:48 AM »
67/69 pages is Legba insulting others because he doesn't understand physics.

From the 1st page of the thread:

Papa Legba, why should we listen to a known illuminati shill like you?

Clown Derfers LOVE their Doublethink!

Doublethink (noun): The acceptance of contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.

Oh, & this is total anti-science bullshit too:

He says that opposing force doesn't get created in space because lack of atmosphere. This means gas expands but rocket doesn't move. This means energy that's coming out of the reaction is destroyed.

There is NO contradiction between Free Expansion & COM/COE.

NONE.

They are all repeatedly experimentally-verified, mutually-supportive SCIENTIFIC FACT.

You are a Liar.

No two ways about it; a Liar.

Toodle-pip, Liar!

I saw you mentioned free expansion, so I thought I'd let you know that this property shows why the atmospheric pressure is not what pushes the rocket.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1363 on: February 26, 2016, 08:34:18 AM »
Is it just me, or is this dumb-ass free expansion argument trying to say that in a vacuum, gasses cannot be imparted with kinetic energy via an exo-thermal chemical reaction?

Because if it is, it is a dumb-ass argument.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1364 on: February 26, 2016, 08:47:21 AM »
Is it just me, or is this dumb-ass free expansion argument trying to say that in a vacuum, gasses cannot be imparted with kinetic energy via an exo-thermal chemical reaction?

Because if it is, it is a dumb-ass argument.

Yes, I believe it is their basis for how rockets work in the atmosphere, and why they don't work out of the atmosphere. When actually, they have it backwards.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1365 on: February 26, 2016, 08:54:52 AM »
I thought this was an excellent example of how rockets work within and out of the atmosphere. Go ahead, legba, post the debate that something about the water mains discounts this experiment. It's not hard to tell the relation between the water and the expelling, burnt fuel. Thank you sokarul for finding this wonderful example.

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Again, credit for finding this vid goes to sokarul

globfunk and sokarul (and all the other space cultists): the reason the hose lifts up is due to the pressure of the water straightening the hose. Nothing more. It's also nothing to with Newtons third law, and everything to do with pressure force. Read below for more discussion and experiments.

http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/39/art%253A10.1007%252Fs10694-014-0430-5.pdf?originUrl=http%3A%2F%2Flink.springer.com%2Farticle%2F10.1007%2Fs10694-014-0430-5&token2=exp=1456506255~acl=%2Fstatic%2Fpdf%2F39%2Fart%25253A10.1007%25252Fs10694-014-0430-5.pdf%3ForiginUrl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Flink.springer.com%252Farticle%252F10.1007%252Fs10694-014-0430-5*~hmac=72076a8dc85a373b9daeed0f4c907d030c2c45a15c7b882ee5203a66d2ea0f99

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1366 on: February 26, 2016, 08:56:21 AM »
I thought this was an excellent example of how rockets work within and out of the atmosphere. Go ahead, legba, post the debate that something about the water mains discounts this experiment. It's not hard to tell the relation between the water and the expelling, burnt fuel. Thank you sokarul for finding this wonderful example.

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Again, credit for finding this vid goes to sokarul
The atmospheric pressure has already done its job before the hand has any effect. Notice how the shower tap rises - but also note how the devious person grabs the tap and lifts it at first as he turns it on. A classic con job and do you know what?...you people are sickening for going along with it.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1367 on: February 26, 2016, 09:02:16 AM »
So now you're saying that gasses are not fluids?

No, 'Zen Master', I'm saying that Water is not Fire.

Maybe in your weird little crooked Zen lawyer world it is...

But reality sadly disagrees with you.

Now go get your little Clown Derf Sock Puppet Posse & SHOUT ME DOWN COS THAT'LL MAKE YOU RIGHT!!!

Lol what a loser...
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1368 on: February 26, 2016, 09:10:05 AM »
I thought this was an excellent example of how rockets work within and out of the atmosphere. Go ahead, legba, post the debate that something about the water mains discounts this experiment. It's not hard to tell the relation between the water and the expelling, burnt fuel. Thank you sokarul for finding this wonderful example.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Again, credit for finding this vid goes to sokarul
The atmospheric pressure has already done its job before the hand has any effect. Notice how the shower tap rises - but also note how the devious person grabs the tap and lifts it at first as he turns it on. A classic con job and do you know what?...you people are sickening for going along with it.

If your argument is that his hand lifts the hose, then what happens when he slowly turns the water off and the hose slowly drops down in relation to the flow of water? At least legba put some thought into it by saying that it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up, which could have an effect on the experiment, but it is not the sole reason for the 'floating' hose. If you turned the water pressure wayy up the hose would spray out of control and wave around like crazy. It would not make the hose extend perfectly straight or to it's 'stretch limits' and become rigid like legba is implying.

Also, legba, what happened to your debate about the water mains? falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus, me thinks
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1369 on: February 26, 2016, 09:12:17 AM »
lol you know the number.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1370 on: February 26, 2016, 09:14:24 AM »
At least legba put some thought into it by saying that it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up

That was legion, idiot.

I just said water is not fire & laughed at you.

Want me to do it again?

Okay: Water is not Fire...

ROFLMFAO!!!
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1371 on: February 26, 2016, 09:18:15 AM »
At least legba put some thought into it by saying that it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up

That was legion, idiot.

I just said water is not fire & laughed at you.

Want me to do it again?

Okay: Water is not Fire...

ROFLMFAO!!!

Oh, it was legion, my bad for trying to give you a compliment??

Duh, water is not fire. Did you just graduate kindeegarden? That's cute. Hold up your fingers and tell me how old you are.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1372 on: February 26, 2016, 09:21:03 AM »
I thought this was an excellent example of how rockets work within and out of the atmosphere. Go ahead, legba, post the debate that something about the water mains discounts this experiment. It's not hard to tell the relation between the water and the expelling, burnt fuel. Thank you sokarul for finding this wonderful example.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Again, credit for finding this vid goes to sokarul
The atmospheric pressure has already done its job before the hand has any effect. Notice how the shower tap rises - but also note how the devious person grabs the tap and lifts it at first as he turns it on. A classic con job and do you know what?...you people are sickening for going along with it.

If your argument is that his hand lifts the hose, then what happens when he slowly turns the water off and the hose slowly drops down in relation to the flow of water? At least legba put some thought into it by saying that it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up, which could have an effect on the experiment, but it is not the sole reason for the 'floating' hose. If you turned the water pressure wayy up the hose would spray out of control and wave around like crazy. It would not make the hose extend perfectly straight or to it's 'stretch limits' and become rigid like legba is implying.

Also, legba, what happened to your debate about the water mains? falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus, me thinks
Of course it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up. What do you think causes water pressure and what do you think water pressure pushes against for this to happen.
Seriously you are so naive it's beyond silly.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1373 on: February 26, 2016, 09:36:44 AM »
I thought this was an excellent example of how rockets work within and out of the atmosphere. Go ahead, legba, post the debate that something about the water mains discounts this experiment. It's not hard to tell the relation between the water and the expelling, burnt fuel. Thank you sokarul for finding this wonderful example.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Again, credit for finding this vid goes to sokarul
The atmospheric pressure has already done its job before the hand has any effect. Notice how the shower tap rises - but also note how the devious person grabs the tap and lifts it at first as he turns it on. A classic con job and do you know what?...you people are sickening for going along with it.

If your argument is that his hand lifts the hose, then what happens when he slowly turns the water off and the hose slowly drops down in relation to the flow of water? At least legba put some thought into it by saying that it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up, which could have an effect on the experiment, but it is not the sole reason for the 'floating' hose. If you turned the water pressure wayy up the hose would spray out of control and wave around like crazy. It would not make the hose extend perfectly straight or to it's 'stretch limits' and become rigid like legba is implying.

Also, legba, what happened to your debate about the water mains? falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus, me thinks
Of course it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up. What do you think causes water pressure and what do you think water pressure pushes against for this to happen.
Seriously you are so naive it's beyond silly.

Then why did you mention that they guy's hand moves the hose?

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1374 on: February 26, 2016, 09:37:49 AM »
Duh, water is not fire.

So why are you comparing a rocket to a tap?

Obvious Troll is Obvious.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1375 on: February 26, 2016, 09:40:24 AM »
Duh, water is not fire.

So why are you comparing a rocket to a tap?

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

Why are you breathing?

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1376 on: February 26, 2016, 09:50:58 AM »
From the 1st page of the thread:

Papa Legba, why should we listen to a known illuminati shill like you?

I notice you didn't answer.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1377 on: February 26, 2016, 10:02:38 AM »
I thought this was an excellent example of how rockets work within and out of the atmosphere. Go ahead, legba, post the debate that something about the water mains discounts this experiment. It's not hard to tell the relation between the water and the expelling, burnt fuel. Thank you sokarul for finding this wonderful example.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Again, credit for finding this vid goes to sokarul
The atmospheric pressure has already done its job before the hand has any effect. Notice how the shower tap rises - but also note how the devious person grabs the tap and lifts it at first as he turns it on. A classic con job and do you know what?...you people are sickening for going along with it.

If your argument is that his hand lifts the hose, then what happens when he slowly turns the water off and the hose slowly drops down in relation to the flow of water? At least legba put some thought into it by saying that it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up, which could have an effect on the experiment, but it is not the sole reason for the 'floating' hose. If you turned the water pressure wayy up the hose would spray out of control and wave around like crazy. It would not make the hose extend perfectly straight or to it's 'stretch limits' and become rigid like legba is implying.

Also, legba, what happened to your debate about the water mains? falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus, me thinks
Of course it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up. What do you think causes water pressure and what do you think water pressure pushes against for this to happen.
Seriously you are so naive it's beyond silly.

This is an excellent example of why my time spent here is a waste. Thank you for making that evident sceptimatic. It really does make me sad. I won't lie. Why would people spend so much of their time twisting and turning the truth? Really, what do you gain? I can tell you what all of mankind loses through your posts: scientific progress. Though, it may not touch or effect many people, it is still regression, and it is hindering people like myself to make a positive difference in the world (I could rationalize it by saying that I am making a positive difference by cancelling out your nonsense, but you probably wouldn't understand that). If you were not here making this regression, I would not have to counter it. Therefore, I could spend my time in places where it would truly be appreciated, giving me more motivation to be the person that I want to be. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that many of you have never had a father figure in your life, and this is the only way for you to get attention from cognitive, respectable males. Let me let you in on a little secret. If you did something to gain my respect- I would treat you much better than I do now. We could even be friends, but no. You've chosen the path of destruction. It really is very sad, and I feel for you deeply. I need to put my irrational beliefs aside (that you could show a logical understanding of physics and the world around you), and think rationally. Myself and others have explained it in analogies, experiments, and "in Science" (as legba likes to call it) multiple times over almost 70 pages now, and you continue to do whatever it is that you're doing (hence my conclusion that you only want attention). So, I will note that I have done what I can and there is nothing I can do to change your ways. Go ahead, legba, tell everyone I am retreating as if someone giving up on you is a good thing.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1378 on: February 26, 2016, 10:07:18 AM »
Those flexible-hose-with-nozzle attachments have water pressure in them whenever the tap is on. Pull one out halfway, let in dangle in your sink and turn the tap on. The hose may twitch a bit, but it's not going to straighten out.

In fact, with the nozzle open, the hose would have less pressure from the water trying to force it to straighten.

Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1379 on: February 26, 2016, 10:07:44 AM »
I thought this was an excellent example of how rockets work within and out of the atmosphere. Go ahead, legba, post the debate that something about the water mains discounts this experiment. It's not hard to tell the relation between the water and the expelling, burnt fuel. Thank you sokarul for finding this wonderful example.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Again, credit for finding this vid goes to sokarul
The atmospheric pressure has already done its job before the hand has any effect. Notice how the shower tap rises - but also note how the devious person grabs the tap and lifts it at first as he turns it on. A classic con job and do you know what?...you people are sickening for going along with it.

If your argument is that his hand lifts the hose, then what happens when he slowly turns the water off and the hose slowly drops down in relation to the flow of water? At least legba put some thought into it by saying that it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up, which could have an effect on the experiment, but it is not the sole reason for the 'floating' hose. If you turned the water pressure wayy up the hose would spray out of control and wave around like crazy. It would not make the hose extend perfectly straight or to it's 'stretch limits' and become rigid like legba is implying.

Also, legba, what happened to your debate about the water mains? falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus, me thinks
Of course it's the pressure of the water holding the hose up. What do you think causes water pressure and what do you think water pressure pushes against for this to happen.
Seriously you are so naive it's beyond silly.

This is an excellent example of why my time spent here is a waste. Thank you for making that evident sceptimatic. It really does make me sad. I won't lie. Why would people spend so much of their time twisting and turning the truth? Really, what do you gain? I can tell you what all of mankind loses through your posts: scientific progress. Though, it may not touch or effect many people, it is still regression, and it is hindering people like myself to make a positive difference in the world (I could rationalize it by saying that I am making a positive difference by cancelling out your nonsense, but you probably wouldn't understand that). If you were not here making this regression, I would not have to counter it. Therefore, I could spend my time in places where it would truly be appreciated, giving me more motivation to be the person that I want to be. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that many of you have never had a father figure in your life, and this is the only way for you to get attention from cognitive, respectable males. Let me let you in on a little secret. If you did something to gain my respect- I would treat you much better than I do now. We could even be friends, but no. You've chosen the path of destruction. It really is very sad, and I feel for you deeply. I need to put my irrational beliefs aside (that you could show a logical understanding of physics and the world around you), and think rationally. Myself and others have explained it in analogies, experiments, and "in Science" (as legba likes to call it) multiple times over almost 70 pages now, and you continue to do whatever it is that you're doing (hence my conclusion that you only want attention). So, I will note that I have done what I can and there is nothing I can do to change your ways. Go ahead, legba, tell everyone I am retreating as if someone giving up on you is a good thing.

Dude. Chill. We are role playing here. No one actually believes the earth is actually flat... Right right?? Papa is just a master troll.

I mean no one can really be that stupid.