Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.

Water rockets without water are called...wait for it...balloons.

That is an excellent analogy. Thank you, sir.

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:06:58 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 12:49:16 PM

Rockets in space for kindergartners!



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globfunk: are you serious? That is what you think a rocket is?!

What an absolute retard.

It is a very crude representation, but yes, this is basically how rockets work in a vacuum. Instead of making unjustified speculations, why don't you explain why I am such a 'retard'?

No need. You have done a great job yourself!

Rockets in space for kindergartners!

Exactly.

Only infants would fall for that nonsense.

Glad to know you're a big fan of brainwashing kids though; a lot of paedophiles feel the same, oddly enough.

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 01:10:41 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:06:58 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 12:49:16 PM

Rockets in space for kindergartners!



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globfunk: are you serious? That is what you think a rocket is?!

What an absolute retard.

It is a very crude representation, but yes, this is basically how rockets work in a vacuum. Instead of making unjustified speculations, why don't you explain why I am such a 'retard'?

No need. You have done a great job yourself!

Aww darn. I guess I'm a retard forever.

Water rockets without water are called...wait for it...balloons.

Do these look like rockets sokarul? globfunk, you may get second prize for idiot of the year 2016.

Quote from: HopelessIdiot on February 24, 2016, 12:49:16 PM

Rockets in space for kindergartners!

Exactly.

Only infants would fall for that nonsense.

Glad to know you're a big fan of brainwashing kids though; a lot of paedophiles feel the same, oddly enough.

It doesn't surprise me that this joke went right over your head. I was obviously referring to your kindergartner-like understanding of the universe. Why do you know how pedophiles feel?

Quote from: sokarul on February 24, 2016, 01:10:28 PM

Water rockets without water are called...wait for it...balloons.

Do these look like rockets sokarul? globfunk, you may get second prize for idiot of the year 2016.

No, they don't look like rockets. They behave the same in a similar way rockets do. I thought we were talking about physics, not appearances. You should just save your hinky dinky award for yourself.

Edit: I like the name globfunk, I think I'm going to start telling people to call me that irl.

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:13:35 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 01:10:41 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:06:58 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 12:49:16 PM

Rockets in space for kindergartners!



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globfunk: are you serious? That is what you think a rocket is?!

What an absolute retard.

It is a very crude representation, but yes, this is basically how rockets work in a vacuum. Instead of making unjustified speculations, why don't you explain why I am such a 'retard'?

No need. You have done a great job yourself!

Aww darn. I guess I'm a retard forever.

Yes, I think you always will be.

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Seems you are ignoring and dismissing the videos I linked.

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What do you suppose would happen if the compression chamber was built into the rocket?

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What caused the bottle to move?  Was it the air in the bottle or something else?

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 06:42:42 AM

Sounds like more than one object to me.

And you sound like a brain-damaged lawyer to me.

I know damn well you'll argue forever so I'll let neutral readers decide what the word 'whole' means.

A system is a set of interacting or interdependent component parts forming a complex/intricate whole.

Why don't you try contemplating the meaning of the words 'interacting' and 'component parts' instead?

You sit in your echo-chamber playing with your dollys & ranting at the walls, psycho.

^Classic gaslighting technique.

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 08:11:30 AM

You think a rocket is one thing, and one object can't push on itself right?

Yeah, I kinda do think a rocket is one thing; no matter how many times I try counting one, I just can't seem to get beyond it being one thing.

Did you try counting the parts that make up the rocket?

You do understand that things are made up of parts, don't you?

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 01:16:34 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:13:35 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 01:10:41 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:06:58 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 12:49:16 PM

Rockets in space for kindergartners!



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Second Edit:

globfunk: are you serious? That is what you think a rocket is?!

What an absolute retard.

It is a very crude representation, but yes, this is basically how rockets work in a vacuum. Instead of making unjustified speculations, why don't you explain why I am such a 'retard'?

No need. You have done a great job yourself!

Aww darn. I guess I'm a retard forever.

Yes, I think you always will be.

I know sarcasm can be hard to read sometimes. Especially when you are as detached from society as you are.

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
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Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:21:36 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 01:16:34 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:13:35 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 01:10:41 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:06:58 PM

Quote from: GlobeDebunker on February 24, 2016, 12:49:16 PM

Rockets in space for kindergartners!



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Second Edit:

globfunk: are you serious? That is what you think a rocket is?!

What an absolute retard.

It is a very crude representation, but yes, this is basically how rockets work in a vacuum. Instead of making unjustified speculations, why don't you explain why I am such a 'retard'?

No need. You have done a great job yourself!

Aww darn. I guess I'm a retard forever.

Yes, I think you always will be.

I know sarcasm can be hard to read sometimes. Especially when you are as detached from society as you are.

I didn't read it as sarcasm. I genuinely think you are a retard. A noisy, annoying retard.

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
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The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

NO U!!!

NO U!!!

Fantastic.

Now provide some genuine science, evidence & experiments for your mass-spammed bullshit.

The balloon schtick's already debunked btw; try again.

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So why say this:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Seems you are ignoring and dismissing the videos I linked.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

What do you suppose would happen if the compression chamber was built into the rocket?

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What caused the bottle to move?  Was it the air in the bottle or something else?

So you and PL's argument is simply that in a vacuum there is nothing to push against.

Space has stuff in it, just less stuff than our atmosphere.  So it seems if you are correct that a rocket moves by pushing against the atmosphere it would work in space just less efficiently.

That of course is not the case.  Rocket motors work more efficiently as air density decreases.

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So why say this:

Quote

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Seems you are ignoring and dismissing the videos I linked.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

What do you suppose would happen if the compression chamber was built into the rocket?

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

What caused the bottle to move?  Was it the air in the bottle or something else?

So you and PL's argument is simply that in a vacuum there is nothing to push against.

Space has stuff in it, just less stuff than our atmosphere.  So it seems if you are correct that a rocket moves by pushing against the atmosphere it would work in space just less efficiently.

That of course is not the case.  Rocket motors work more efficiently as air density decreases.

I replied to the first video. Look it up.

The second video is some kid in a dark room where nothing is clear.

Try harder believer.

I see you've all given up on presenting any genuine science or experiments !

Now that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen!
I may have missed a morsel somewhere. If so maybe some kind person out there find it!

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 05:51:41 AM

I see you've all given up on presenting any genuine science or experiments !

Now that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen!
I may have missed a morsel somewhere. If so maybe some kind person out there find it!

But I don't believe that Papa Legba knows any genuine science or experiments to present.

If you claim you are able to float in the air, can I disprove your claim, by experiments using other people?

No.

I can only prove that no one else can float in the air. As we have done for sixty pages now.

There has been no evidence to support rockets working in a vacuum. Neither rational or experimental.

Quote from: rabinoz on February 24, 2016, 01:49:03 PM

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 24, 2016, 05:51:41 AM

I see you've all given up on presenting any genuine science or experiments !

Now that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen!
I may have missed a morsel somewhere. If so maybe some kind person out there find it!

But I don't believe that Papa Legba knows any genuine science or experiments to present.

If you claim you are able to float in the air, can I disprove your claim, by experiments using other people?

No.

I can only prove that no one else can float in the air. As we have done for sixty pages now.

There has been no evidence to support rockets working in a vacuum. Neither rational or experimental.

Except for you know physic rules. 3 videos that showcased rockets working In a vacuum. So yeah you are right there has been nothing that proves you right so everybody else is a Liar and whole book of physics is a Liar.

Like dude grab aNY physics book ever. Go to your community college and get educated Pls.

I don't believe that Papa Legba knows any genuine science or experiments to present.

Lying again.

I have provided a simple experiment to prove that an exhausted gas creates a force-pairing with another gas.

It's as simple as blowing on a lit match.

You have not provided one single experiment to prove a moving rocket is creating a force-pairing with itself.

Because you can't; there are none.

Toodle-pip, Liars!

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So how does a water rocket work?

Quote from: rabinoz on February 24, 2016, 01:49:03 PM

I don't believe that Papa Legba knows any genuine science or experiments to present.

Lying again.

I have provided a simple experiment to prove that an exhausted gas creates a force-pairing with another gas.

It's as simple as blowing on a lit match.

You have not provided one single experiment to prove a moving rocket is creating a force-pairing with itself.

Because you can't; there are none.

Toodle-pip, Liars!

Ok so you think. When a rocket is in the atmosphere fuel that is expanding from the nozzle pushes the air which then creates an opposing force which pushes the rocket ? And you say this wouldn't work in the space since no air.

Now may I ask what makes rocket fuel so different that any other matter in the universe creates an opposing equal force to every force but rocket Fuel doesn't ?

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

HHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA...........hahahahaahahaha









HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... ok I'm done now.

I think the force pair you are looking for in reference to rockets in space is: the rocket and the expelled fuel

Edit: Lemme guess your responses:
"Liar!"
"Shoa meh teh experimints"
"SZIENZZ and EXPERIMINTS"
"I have no idea how to counter this debate"

I'll admit the last one was giving you way too much credit.

Quote from: Woody on February 24, 2016, 01:45:09 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So why say this:

Quote

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Seems you are ignoring and dismissing the videos I linked.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

What do you suppose would happen if the compression chamber was built into the rocket?

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

What caused the bottle to move?  Was it the air in the bottle or something else?

So you and PL's argument is simply that in a vacuum there is nothing to push against.

Space has stuff in it, just less stuff than our atmosphere.  So it seems if you are correct that a rocket moves by pushing against the atmosphere it would work in space just less efficiently.

That of course is not the case.  Rocket motors work more efficiently as air density decreases.

I replied to the first video. Look it up.

The second video is some kid in a dark room where nothing is clear.

Try harder believer.

OK.

My guess you will say force is being generated by the wheels some how.

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You can start at the 3:10 mark if you do not want to see how to make it.

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So how does a water rocket work?

Compression force.

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 02:03:32 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So how does a water rocket work?

Compression force.

Is that like the compression force (fuel being burned) between a rocket and the expelled/expelling fuel?

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 02:28:37 PM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 02:03:32 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So how does a water rocket work?

Compression force.

Is that like the compression force (fuel being burned) between a rocket and the expelled/expelling fuel?

No. Look up compression force, retard.

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 02:03:32 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So how does a water rocket work?

Compression force.

You got this completely wrong. Main argument is that you need a 3rd "object" to push against / create opposing force.

Problem is this is explained by physics. For some reason you guys think rocket fuel can't create opposing force by itself. Which completely defies newton physics and you cannot explain where the excess energy goes.

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 02:28:37 PM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 02:03:32 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 24, 2016, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: legion on February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

Do you mean something like a regular party balloon?
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">! No longer available

The compressed air in the balloon creates a force pair with the air in the room. The air in the room moves the balloon. Much like you walking creates a force pair between your shoes and the ground.

Basic physics.

So how does a water rocket work?

Compression force.

You got this completely wrong. Main argument is that you need a 3rd "object" to push against / create opposing force.

Problem is this is explained by physics. For some reason you guys think rocket fuel can't create opposing force by itself. Which completely defies newton physics and you cannot explain where the excess energy goes.

No. A force needs to be applied outside of the system, or leave the system, if you prefer.

Take the water bottle rocket. Until the water is pushed out (by the compressed air), the forces are balanced and thus no movement of the bottle. While the system is closed, the system is balanced.

You don't need a "third object". You need to open the system, that is all.