Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1170 on: February 24, 2016, 08:37:34 AM »
You think a rocket is one thing, and one object can't push on itself right?

Yeah, I kinda do think a rocket is one thing; no matter how many times I try counting one, I just can't seem to get beyond it being one thing.

And no, I do not think one object cannot push on itself. I KNOW that if one thing does push on itself it will result more in destruction than sustained locomotion...

If you disbelieve me, then please place your hand beneath your chin & push yourself into space.

Terrible analogy... still.

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You do seem to have some very imaginative ideas about how things work; why not write them all down in an intrusive PM & send it to me so I can delete the lot without going through the tedium of having to read them?

Thank you please!

How is a PM you do not read instrusive in the slightest?  By the way, great job ignoring the main thrust of his post.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1171 on: February 24, 2016, 09:47:47 AM »
You think a rocket is one thing, and one object can't push on itself right?

Yeah, I kinda do think a rocket is one thing; no matter how many times I try counting one, I just can't seem to get beyond it being one thing.

And no, I do not think one object cannot push on itself. I KNOW that if one thing does push on itself it will result more in destruction than sustained locomotion...

If you disbelieve me, then please place your hand beneath your chin & push yourself into space.

You do seem to have some very imaginative ideas about how things work; why not write them all down in an intrusive PM & send it to me so I can delete the lot without going through the tedium of having to read them?

Thank you please!

They seem to be claiming that a water bottle rocket, which works by the expansion of compressed air pushing against both the water and the bottle, is an accurate analogy for a rocket in space.

Complete nonsense, obviously. Still, I remember bringing all this up on the first page of this thread and here we are on page fifty something.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1172 on: February 24, 2016, 10:02:21 AM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1173 on: February 24, 2016, 10:11:51 AM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1174 on: February 24, 2016, 10:21:25 AM »
I see you've all given up on presenting any genuine science or experiments in support of your nonsense & are just spamming bullshit instead.

Which looks good for me, I'd say...

Thanks, shpayze-tards!

It looks bad for you. After people have posted numerous videos explaining the concept- you still don't get it. You think a rocket is one thing, and one object can't push on itself right?

How do rockets work within the atmosphere by this logic?

I'm sure we all know, empirically, that rockets do exist and they do work (bottle rockets/fireworks). Does the wind pick it up and throw it in the air??? You've garbled up the information so much that it's no longer possible for rockets to work at all by your understanding. You, sir, have gone full retard.
You mean you've spent all this time arguing in this topic and haven't seen how a rocket works in an atmosphere, by explanation?
Eyes shut?
You said: 'How do rockets work within the atmosphere by this logic?'

They work by using their burning fuel to push against and into the atmosphere which equally reacts to that burning/thrusting expelled fuel, meaning a push on push of super expanded fuel against a dense atmosphere that is pushed aside as it's pushed into, which creates a squeeze back against that fuel due to compression of the matter in that atmosphere.

Stick a little rocket on a bar of soap.  Soak your hands and imagine your hand squeeze is the atmospheric squeeze.
Imagine the wet soap is the expanded fuel pushing into your hand as you try to crush it. As you do this you notice the soap rises in your hand. Now imagine using your other wet hand to grab the soap as it comes out of your first grip, like a one potato two potato kind of thing.
Each time you try to grab that wet soap, all you do it squeeze it up and the rocket sitting atop of that soap moves with it.

Now place that in space and what do you have?
You have no hand squeeze on that soap to squeeze against that soap. It will simply drop from the rocket and the rocket with it.

Simple if you're willing to stop believing in fantasy rockets kicking themselves up their own arses to work.

Umm... no.

Why don't rockets accelerate very quickly when they are leaving the ground? By your logic rockets would accelerate most quickly when they are pointed away from and very close to a solid object (i.e. the Earth). Why? Because you can push harder on a solid object than on a gas, right? This is not what we observe. Watch the videos of the shuttle take-offs (or any rocket launch for that matter). It very gradually accelerates when it is close to the ground, but the farther away it gets, the more efficient its engines become, thus, greater acceleration. Here is a video (skip to 1:30 for the launch)->

However, I am sure that you will claim that this footage is faked anyhow.

Take a look at how rocket launchers work. Notice how the back end is open to allow for the flow of thrust instead of being capped off for a higher pressure within the launching cylinder? That's because back pressure is a rocket engine's worst enemy.
Here is another video (skip to 1:58 for slow motion launch clip)->



As for you, papa legba, my bad. You totally got me on that one because everyone knows that rockets push themselves with their hands in space  ::)

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1175 on: February 24, 2016, 10:28:57 AM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.
So, I guess you're saying that the rocket won't work without the mass of the liquid to push on?

But wait wait wait!!! What is the fuel when it is put in the rocket? Oh! it's a liquid right? (could be a solid, I don't know the specifics. I know some rocket fuels are liquid and some are solid)

So why would we have to find instructions with the stipulation that it must not require a liquid?

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1176 on: February 24, 2016, 10:52:31 AM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

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Just need to make the rocket bigger and build the compression chamber as part of the rocket. 
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1177 on: February 24, 2016, 11:11:29 AM »
I know guys, these are some difficult concepts to grasp. I had trouble learning them too. When I was nine.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1178 on: February 24, 2016, 11:29:10 AM »
People debating against how rockets work in a vacuum:
If you could actually understand the concept that myself and other educated people are trying to explain to you and then debate why that doesn't work, then maybe there would be some validity to your statements. All you have done is dance around the subject making irrational statements of why you want it to not work.

This tells me that you actually have a very intricate understanding of how rockets work. It is inferred because you know where the uneducated mind would try to poke holes in the physics. We have done circles around the physics explaining how rockets work. At one point, you might have used an effect of physics to prove your point, but in another instance you use the same effect to disprove someone debating that rockets can work in a vacuum.

Nice try! Try again... errr, actually, don't. This is becoming quite repetitive and boring.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1179 on: February 24, 2016, 11:31:59 AM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

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Just need to make the rocket bigger and build the compression chamber as part of the rocket.

That was a piece of tube having compressed air blasted in to it. It is not what I asked for and is therefore dismissed.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1180 on: February 24, 2016, 11:43:11 AM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

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Just need to make the rocket bigger and build the compression chamber as part of the rocket.

That was a piece of tube having compressed air blasted in to it. It is not what I asked for and is therefore dismissed.

Why is it necessary to find an instance of a rocket that is propelled without the use of water?

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1181 on: February 24, 2016, 11:45:09 AM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

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Just need to make the rocket bigger and build the compression chamber as part of the rocket.

That was a piece of tube having compressed air blasted in to it. It is not what I asked for and is therefore dismissed.

So you are saying that if the compression chamber was built inside the rocket it would not work?

Here is a short video showing a bottle with no water and it moves as a result of air moving causing enough force to move the bottle.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1182 on: February 24, 2016, 11:55:15 AM »
myself and other educated people

You can't count to 'one' you dipshit.

GTFO.

Now; any of you shpayze-tards got any science, evidence or experiments for the insane idea that a Finite gas-based system can create Pressure in an Infinite vacuum?

No?

Didn't think so.

F=pa; W=pv; in both cases when p=0, then F/W also=0.

Basic, basic stuff...

Guess bullshit & sock puppet peer-pressure will have to do for you then...

Off you go then, shpayze-tards!
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1183 on: February 24, 2016, 12:09:46 PM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

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Just need to make the rocket bigger and build the compression chamber as part of the rocket.

That was a piece of tube having compressed air blasted in to it. It is not what I asked for and is therefore dismissed.

Agreed, this is not a rocket.

Legion, why do you treat the matter differently with a liquid versus gaseous propellant, because of Free Expansion?
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1184 on: February 24, 2016, 12:12:39 PM »
I know many flatearthers look at rockets and we see not straight up direction, in the end the fly horisontal and disapear...
My Beautiful version:
 they carring some cargo behind ice walls to other lands, and they are not useless! Looks like fantasy but i like it.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1185 on: February 24, 2016, 12:17:51 PM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

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Just need to make the rocket bigger and build the compression chamber as part of the rocket.

That was a piece of tube having compressed air blasted in to it. It is not what I asked for and is therefore dismissed.

Agreed, this is not a rocket.

Legion, why do you treat the matter differently with a liquid versus gaseous propellant, because of Free Expansion?

It was you who wrote:

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

So, it completely reasonable for me to ask for a 'pop bottle rocket' which does not use a liquid to test your claim above.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1186 on: February 24, 2016, 12:20:45 PM »
myself and other educated people

You can't count to 'one' you dipshit.

GTFO.

Now; any of you shpayze-tards got any science, evidence or experiments for the insane idea that a Finite gas-based system can create Pressure in an Infinite vacuum?

No?

Didn't think so.

F=pa; W=pv; in both cases when p=0, then F/W also=0.

Basic, basic stuff...

Guess bullshit & sock puppet peer-pressure will have to do for you then...

Off you go then, shpayze-tards!

Um... one. And just to rub it in your face some more- ...2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc. You have been debunked. Ok now this is starting to get entertaining again... oh wait, it's gone. Damn.

I don't know why I am trying to appeal to logic and reason. Yours is so far out the window. What's REALLY funny to me is that you apparently think that whoever reads this is going to believe a single word you say. It's like you think that if you call me a 'shpayze-tard' enough times that it will actually become true... it's not working yet. Keep trying.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1187 on: February 24, 2016, 12:27:06 PM »
Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

By that logic, the "water" bottle rocket, could just be an "air" bottle rocket. If you find such an example, you will have powerful evidence to support your case.

Let me be clear:

If you find instructions, or a video, using a normal plastic bottle, compressed air, but does not use a liquid, you will have something that I couldn't ignore.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Just need to make the rocket bigger and build the compression chamber as part of the rocket.

That was a piece of tube having compressed air blasted in to it. It is not what I asked for and is therefore dismissed.

Agreed, this is not a rocket.

Legion, why do you treat the matter differently with a liquid versus gaseous propellant, because of Free Expansion?

It was you who wrote:

Substitute exothermal chemical reaction for pressurized air and exhaust plume and rocket body for water and bottle and you got it!

So, it completely reasonable for me to ask for a 'pop bottle rocket' which does not use a liquid to test your claim above.

I guess you didn't see the second video that Woody posted. This is still irrelevant. Demonstrating that a pop-bottle rocket can work with just air instead of a water/air mixture is irrelevant. I'll say that again just in case you missed it. It's irrelevant.

Rocket in space>burning propellant goes out one side of the rocket (burning propellant has mass and velocity, or doesn't it?)> rocket moves

How many times does it have to be explained?

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1188 on: February 24, 2016, 12:30:02 PM »
Blah, blah, blah, no science no evidence no experiments just relentless spamming & here comes a weirdo PM to boot cos I'm a proper psycho...

Like I said:

Guess bullshit & sock puppet peer-pressure will have to do for you then...

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1189 on: February 24, 2016, 12:43:40 PM »
So, it completely reasonable for me to ask for a 'pop bottle rocket' which does not use a liquid to test your claim above.

I just wanted to know your reasoning.  Why won't any rocket that uses gaseous exhaust be sufficient?
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1190 on: February 24, 2016, 12:44:10 PM »

I guess you didn't see the second video that Woody posted. This is still irrelevant. Demonstrating that a pop-bottle rocket can work with just air instead of a water/air mixture is irrelevant. I'll say that again just in case you missed it. It's irrelevant.

Rocket in space>burning propellant goes out one side of the rocket (burning propellant has mass and velocity, or doesn't it?)> rocket moves

How many times does it have to be explained?


You need to try and keep up. I'm assessing what can be tested. You've made it clear that you believe everything you were taught from an early age. But I left tooth fairies, Santa, and rockets working in a vacuum behind a long time ago.

Your explanations of how rockets work in a vacuum are just as preposterous as why a tooth was replaced by money, in the middle of the night, back when I was as gullible as you still are!!!

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1191 on: February 24, 2016, 12:49:01 PM »
So, it completely reasonable for me to ask for a 'pop bottle rocket' which does not use a liquid to test your claim above.

I just wanted to know your reasoning.  Why won't any rocket that uses gaseous exhaust be sufficient?

Because it needs to be testable. You claimed that exactly the same principle was at work with a pop bottle rocket as with a "proper" rocket. You stated that the water could be replaced by the exhaust plume. If that's the case, we shouldn't need water in a pop bottle rocket.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1192 on: February 24, 2016, 12:49:16 PM »
Rockets in space for kindergartners!



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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1193 on: February 24, 2016, 12:53:20 PM »
So, it completely reasonable for me to ask for a 'pop bottle rocket' which does not use a liquid to test your claim above.

I just wanted to know your reasoning.  Why won't any rocket that uses gaseous exhaust be sufficient?

Because it needs to be testable. You claimed that exactly the same principle was at work with a pop bottle rocket as with a "proper" rocket. You stated that the water could be replaced by the exhaust plume. If that's the case, we shouldn't need water in a pop bottle rocket.

You are right, we don't need water in a pop bottle rocket.
Ex: (thank you Woody for finding this video)

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1194 on: February 24, 2016, 12:55:42 PM »
You are right, we don't need water in a pop bottle rocket.
Ex: (thank you Woody for finding this video)

This not a rocket.  It is more like a cannon and cannonball.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1195 on: February 24, 2016, 01:01:47 PM »
You are right, we don't need water in a pop bottle rocket.
Ex: (thank you Woody for finding this video)

This not a rocket.  It is more like a cannon and cannonball.

If the cannonball is the air nozzle putting air into the bottle, then yes.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1196 on: February 24, 2016, 01:06:58 PM »
Rockets in space for kindergartners!



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globfunk: are you serious? That is what you think a rocket is?!

What an absolute retard.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1197 on: February 24, 2016, 01:10:08 PM »
globfunk: I think you are in the running for idiot of the year. Yes, I know it's only February, but I have never seen anything so stupid.

Edit: Definitely geoffrey. Having to be corrected by his own side. I wonder how long before globfunk starts accusing people of being quasi-round earthers.

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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1198 on: February 24, 2016, 01:10:28 PM »
Water rockets without water are called...wait for it...balloons.
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Re: Rockets cannot work in a Vacuum.
« Reply #1199 on: February 24, 2016, 01:10:41 PM »
Rockets in space for kindergartners!



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globfunk: are you serious? That is what you think a rocket is?!

What an absolute retard.

It is a very crude representation, but yes, this is basically how rockets work in a vacuum. Instead of making unjustified speculations, why don't you explain why I am such a 'retard'?

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