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« on: November 27, 2006, 03:19:11 PM »
I don't expect this to be taken seriously by any FE, because of course they'll mindlessly shout LOL ILLUSION!!!

Go to the beach. Make sure you bring a metal ruler with you, preferably a big one, but a 30cm one works just as well. Now, hold it up at eye level, parallel with the horizon (the ocean side of the horizon, you silly). You can clearly see that the horizon is curved, this becomes apparent when you compare it to the ruler, which is straight.

An earth that curves downwards towards the outside of the disc even a little bit does not work, as the constant acceleration would make all water on the earth flow to the outside edge. Sure, there's a dirty great big wall there, but the only place where land mass could exist would be in the middle of the disc. Everything else would be underwater, and the deepest part of the ocean IS NOT around the south pole. Don't say that land mass is floating either, though I don't know why you would, because that would flow to the outside edge as well.

Discuss.

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Re: lolproof
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2006, 03:27:26 PM »
Quote from: "AeliusPix"
I don't expect this to be taken seriously by any FE, because of course they'll mindlessly shout LOL ILLUSION!!!

Go to the beach. Make sure you bring a metal ruler with you, preferably a big one, but a 30cm one works just as well. Now, hold it up at eye level, parallel with the horizon (the ocean side of the horizon, you silly). You can clearly see that the horizon is curved, this becomes apparent when you compare it to the ruler, which is straight.

An earth that curves downwards towards the outside of the disc even a little bit does not work, as the constant acceleration would make all water on the earth flow to the outside edge. Sure, there's a dirty great big wall there, but the only place where land mass could exist would be in the middle of the disc. Everything else would be underwater, and the deepest part of the ocean IS NOT around the south pole. Don't say that land mass is floating either, though I don't know why you would, because that would flow to the outside edge as well.

Discuss.

It's night right now, and I don't live near the ocean, but tomorrow I will go to Lake Michigan and conduct the experiment, if it makes you happy.
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Re: lolproof
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2006, 03:41:38 PM »
Quote from: "AeliusPix"
I don't expect this to be taken seriously by any FE, because of course they'll mindlessly shout LOL ILLUSION!!!

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Erasmus

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2006, 04:05:31 PM »
Tabletop.
Why did the chicken cross the Möbius strip?

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Re: lolproof
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 06:19:56 PM »
Quote from: "skeptical scientist"
Quote from: "AeliusPix"
I don't expect this to be taken seriously by any FE, because of course they'll mindlessly shout LOL ILLUSION!!!

Go to the beach. Make sure you bring a metal ruler with you, preferably a big one, but a 30cm one works just as well. Now, hold it up at eye level, parallel with the horizon (the ocean side of the horizon, you silly). You can clearly see that the horizon is curved, this becomes apparent when you compare it to the ruler, which is straight.

An earth that curves downwards towards the outside of the disc even a little bit does not work, as the constant acceleration would make all water on the earth flow to the outside edge. Sure, there's a dirty great big wall there, but the only place where land mass could exist would be in the middle of the disc. Everything else would be underwater, and the deepest part of the ocean IS NOT around the south pole. Don't say that land mass is floating either, though I don't know why you would, because that would flow to the outside edge as well.

Discuss.

It's night right now, and I don't live near the ocean, but tomorrow I will go to Lake Michigan and conduct the experiment, if it makes you happy.


You're a very dedicated person :)
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Re: lolproof
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2006, 02:58:28 AM »
Quote from: "skeptical scientist"
Quote from: "AeliusPix"
I don't expect this to be taken seriously by any FE, because of course they'll mindlessly shout LOL ILLUSION!!!

Go to the beach. Make sure you bring a metal ruler with you, preferably a big one, but a 30cm one works just as well. Now, hold it up at eye level, parallel with the horizon (the ocean side of the horizon, you silly). You can clearly see that the horizon is curved, this becomes apparent when you compare it to the ruler, which is straight.

An earth that curves downwards towards the outside of the disc even a little bit does not work, as the constant acceleration would make all water on the earth flow to the outside edge. Sure, there's a dirty great big wall there, but the only place where land mass could exist would be in the middle of the disc. Everything else would be underwater, and the deepest part of the ocean IS NOT around the south pole. Don't say that land mass is floating either, though I don't know why you would, because that would flow to the outside edge as well.

Discuss.

It's night right now, and I don't live near the ocean, but tomorrow I will go to Lake Michigan and conduct the experiment, if it makes you happy.

Can you see the other side of the lake? I don't know if it will work if you can, you're suppose to compare against the horizon, the water only makes the horizon as smooth as possible.

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Re: lolproof
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2006, 05:39:42 AM »
Quote from: "AeliusPix"
Can you see the other side of the lake? I don't know if it will work if you can, you're suppose to compare against the horizon, the water only makes the horizon as smooth as possible.

You can't see the other side. It's a very big lake.

So this morning I walked to Lake Michigan. It's only about 15 minutes from my apartment, and it was a nice morning for a walk. Plus, one nice thing about being out at 6:30 in the morning is no homeless ask you for change.

When I got to the lake, I was disappointed that I couldn't take any pictures from the pedestrian bridge over the highway as I had hoped, as trees obstructed the view. So I had to settle for the shoreline. Fortunately the shore of Lake Michigan along most of Chicago is built up with rocks and concrete, so by standing on the large concrete blocks at the top of the rocky slope up from the lake, I could get the camera a good 20 feet above water level. I wish I could have gotten higher, but there was nowhere to stand to take a picture.

I tried taking some with a straight board I found, but I decided that I had no reason to believe any discrepency I found was due to the board and not the horizon, as the board seemed just as likely to be slightly curved as the horizon, if not more so, and I thought that taking photos and using the single row select tool would be a better judge of horizontal than a possibly warped board. I did notice that the horizon appeared to be slightly curved, but when I climbed down to the slope and held my head a mere 3 feet above the water level, it appeared equally curved, so I decided it was an illusion.

So here's the picture I took. The camera was zoomed out as much as possible, so as to capture the longest stretch of horizon that I could. (I actually took several, but I'm tossing the ones with the board, and this was the one where the camera was closest to level. They were all pretty much the same.) This is resized down to 800x600, but you can click on it for the full sized, unaltered version.


That horizon looks pretty damn level, wouldn't you say? Of course, I still think the Earth is round, but hopefully this will convince doubters that you can't use the "the horizon looks curved" argument to prove the Earth is round. Personally I found the equations more convincing than the photograph, but then I'm a mathematician.

Now I can honestly say that I've actually performed an experiment someone asked of me on the boards. How many of you can do the same?
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2006, 06:00:29 AM »
How many of us feel like it? :P

This argument has been used over and over again, without people searching first, and just instincively creating topics.

1) Add this to the FAQ, as "Void 'evidence'"
2) Add a part to the rules that says if there is a similar topic less than 2 weeks old, your topic gets locked.

Edit: that's actually a really nice lake.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2006, 09:44:00 AM »
tis but a pond.  :shock:
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Re: lolproof
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2007, 06:18:20 AM »
The lakes are located on a flat planar section of the curved-earth-disc, os how is this proof of a flat earth?
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Re: lolproof
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2007, 02:01:43 PM »
It's alive. It's ALLLIIIIIIVVVVEEE!
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Re: lolproof
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2007, 03:59:32 PM »
I don't expect this to be taken seriously by any FE,

How could our planet, flat or not, take you seriously? Has it spoken to you before? Do you hold debates with it? I think you need the Mental Health board, son.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: lolproof
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2007, 07:44:12 PM »
The lakes are located on a flat planar section of the curved-earth-disc, os how is this proof of a flat earth?

It's not.  It's a refutation of the argument that you can tell the Earth is round by looking at the horizon, since the horizon appears curved.  As per picture attached below, the horizon does not appear curved.
Why did the chicken cross the Möbius strip?