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Iridium flares
« on: January 16, 2016, 08:00:18 PM »
Ok the satellite thread went the way of GPS.

Can we keep this thread on just Iridium flares.

A good example is something like this.

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This is something you can easily see for yourself, if you can be bothered stepping outside and looking up.

What are these if not satellites?
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 08:04:14 PM »
Aliens. ;D
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 08:55:23 PM »
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on January 16, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
Aliens. ;D

Or holes in the dome that let the light shine through.  :D
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 08:57:47 PM »
Quote from: Googleotomy on January 16, 2016, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on January 16, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
Aliens. ;D

Or holes in the dome that let the light shine through.  :D

Or, simply little lights in the sky.  ???
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2016, 01:32:58 AM »
Quote from: jroa on January 16, 2016, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: Googleotomy on January 16, 2016, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on January 16, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
Aliens. ;D

Or holes in the dome that let the light shine through.  :D

Or, simply little lights in the sky.  ???

Caused by?
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2016, 10:56:53 AM »
Isn't Iridium the special currency in Borderlands 2?
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2016, 02:19:11 PM »
Quote from: Orifiel on January 17, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
Isn't Iridium the special currency in Borderlands 2?

Your thinking of Eridium.

I've seen a few Iridium flares. They can get very bright. Worth watching out for. But their existence easily confirms satellites.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2016, 03:43:36 PM »
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Orifiel on January 17, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
Isn't Iridium the special currency in Borderlands 2?

Your thinking of Eridium.

I've seen a few Iridium flares. They can get very bright. Worth watching out for. But their existence easily confirms satellites.

Ive seen a couple myself.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2016, 04:33:19 PM »
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on January 17, 2016, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Orifiel on January 17, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
Isn't Iridium the special currency in Borderlands 2?

Your thinking of Eridium.

I've seen a few Iridium flares. They can get very bright. Worth watching out for. But their existence easily confirms satellites.

Ive seen a couple myself.

I wish i could say I've seen many, with the amount of time I spend looking up.... but the truth is; once or twice since I knew what I was looking at. Maybe I saw some a few times prior but never really thought about it.  :-[
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2016, 04:41:20 PM »
Quote from: getrealzommb on January 17, 2016, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on January 17, 2016, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Orifiel on January 17, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
Isn't Iridium the special currency in Borderlands 2?

Your thinking of Eridium.

I've seen a few Iridium flares. They can get very bright. Worth watching out for. But their existence easily confirms satellites.

Ive seen a couple myself.

I wish i could say I've seen many, with the amount of time I spend looking up.... but the truth is; once or twice since I knew what I was looking at. Maybe I saw some a few times prior but never really thought about it.  :-[
Put your location in here
http://www.heavens-above.com/
and you can find out when to see them.

Best one I've see was a -8
I still want to see one in the daytime.  Possible but rare.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2016, 04:54:39 PM »
Quote from: frenat on January 17, 2016, 04:41:20 PM
Quote from: getrealzommb on January 17, 2016, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on January 17, 2016, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Orifiel on January 17, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
Isn't Iridium the special currency in Borderlands 2?

Your thinking of Eridium.

I've seen a few Iridium flares. They can get very bright. Worth watching out for. But their existence easily confirms satellites.

Ive seen a couple myself.

I wish i could say I've seen many, with the amount of time I spend looking up.... but the truth is; once or twice since I knew what I was looking at. Maybe I saw some a few times prior but never really thought about it.  :-[
Put your location in here
http://www.heavens-above.com/
and you can find out when to see them.

Best one I've see was a -8
I still want to see one in the daytime.  Possible but rare.

Oh I have observed many satellites Passover.  Its just the Iridium flair effect that I have only occasionally seen.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM »
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.

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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2016, 08:17:02 PM »
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.



Wow.  You have cracked the case.  Or, maybe not.  Anyway, your "lights in the sky" mean pretty much nothing. 
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 09:28:42 PM »
I'm feeling inclined to agree with jroa.
Lights in the sky prove nothing.
Could be one of those Chinese lanterns that made it pretty high for all we know.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2016, 12:09:09 AM »
I don't think a chinese lantern could make it that high. They are too heavy. Also, you'd see them originate from the ground and slowly rising. Also, you could look at it through a telescope.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2016, 02:31:59 PM »
Quote from: jroa on January 17, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.



Wow.  You have cracked the case.  Or, maybe not.  Anyway, your "lights in the sky" mean pretty much nothing.

Lights in the sky means something is up there. And these lights are special. Very recent addition.

It shows that companies not just NASA are putting satellites into orbit.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2016, 08:16:25 PM »
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 17, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.



Wow.  You have cracked the case.  Or, maybe not.  Anyway, your "lights in the sky" mean pretty much nothing.

Lights in the sky means something is up there. And these lights are special. Very recent addition.

It shows that companies not just NASA are putting satellites into orbit.
Allegedly, yeah, but those companies must go through NASA to get those things up there.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2016, 11:25:17 PM »
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 18, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 17, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.



Wow.  You have cracked the case.  Or, maybe not.  Anyway, your "lights in the sky" mean pretty much nothing.

Lights in the sky means something is up there. And these lights are special. Very recent addition.

It shows that companies not just NASA are putting satellites into orbit.
Allegedly, yeah, but those companies must go through NASA to get those things up there.

You think China goes through NASA?

But thank you for agreeing that they are atleast putting stuff into orbit.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2016, 11:28:01 PM by yobbo »
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2016, 07:07:16 AM »
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 18, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 17, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.



Wow.  You have cracked the case.  Or, maybe not.  Anyway, your "lights in the sky" mean pretty much nothing.

Lights in the sky means something is up there. And these lights are special. Very recent addition.

It shows that companies not just NASA are putting satellites into orbit.
Allegedly, yeah, but those companies must go through NASA to get those things up there.

You think China goes through NASA? -1

But thank you for agreeing that they are atleast putting stuff into orbit. -2
1 - You know what I mean. If you are resorting to semantics and putting my comments under the microscope to do so, you've already lost.
2 - Do you know what allegedly means?
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yobbo

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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2016, 11:07:27 PM »
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 19, 2016, 07:07:16 AM
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 18, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 17, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.



Wow.  You have cracked the case.  Or, maybe not.  Anyway, your "lights in the sky" mean pretty much nothing.

Lights in the sky means something is up there. And these lights are special. Very recent addition.

It shows that companies not just NASA are putting satellites into orbit.
Allegedly, yeah, but those companies must go through NASA to get those things up there.

You think China goes through NASA? -1

But thank you for agreeing that they are atleast putting stuff into orbit. -2
1 - You know what I mean. If you are resorting to semantics and putting my comments under the microscope to do so, you've already lost.
2 - Do you know what allegedly means?

Ok I'm all ears. You have heard reports of people who have seen them.

They only turned up a few years ago when they allegedly put the Iridium satellites into orbit.

What is your reasoning for these predictable bright lights if they aren't satellites?
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2016, 03:18:47 AM »
1 - The USA is not the only country putting satellites up.
2 -  Chinese lanterns can not be accurately predicted as demonstrated above. An app on my phone accurately let's me know when I can see a satellite pass over.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2016, 08:26:29 AM »
Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on January 20, 2016, 03:18:47 AM
1 - The USA is not the only country putting satellites up.
2 -  Chinese lanterns can not be accurately predicted as demonstrated above. An app on my phone accurately let's me know when I can see a satellite pass over.
FE answer:
(1) All countries in the entire world are controlled by NASA, despite the N is for "National" and it's a US company
(2) That's not a satellite, you NASA shill, it's a (insert random excuse they've pulled over the years here)
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2016, 09:17:21 AM »
Quote from: yobbo on January 19, 2016, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 19, 2016, 07:07:16 AM
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 18, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 17, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.



Wow.  You have cracked the case.  Or, maybe not.  Anyway, your "lights in the sky" mean pretty much nothing.

Lights in the sky means something is up there. And these lights are special. Very recent addition.

It shows that companies not just NASA are putting satellites into orbit.
Allegedly, yeah, but those companies must go through NASA to get those things up there.

You think China goes through NASA? -1

But thank you for agreeing that they are atleast putting stuff into orbit. -2
1 - You know what I mean. If you are resorting to semantics and putting my comments under the microscope to do so, you've already lost.
2 - Do you know what allegedly means?

Ok I'm all ears. You have heard reports of people who have seen them.

They only turned up a few years ago when they allegedly put the Iridium satellites into orbit.

What is your reasoning for these predictable bright lights if they aren't satellites?
They're stratellites.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2016, 09:19:48 AM »
Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on January 20, 2016, 03:18:47 AM
1 - The USA is not the only country putting satellites up.
2 -  Chinese lanterns can not be accurately predicted as demonstrated above. An app on my phone accurately let's me know when I can see a satellite pass over.
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 19, 2016, 07:07:16 AM
1 - You know what I mean. If you are resorting to semantics and putting my comments under the microscope to do so, you've already lost.
I know there are other space agencies.
I just threw that out as a suggestion. Obviously they're really stratellites.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2016, 10:01:08 PM »
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 20, 2016, 09:17:21 AM
Quote from: yobbo on January 19, 2016, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 19, 2016, 07:07:16 AM
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 18, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 18, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 17, 2016, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: yobbo on January 17, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
And Flat Earthers try and blame natural occurring lights for satellites.

But Iridium flares are a new thing. Only been around since they put the satellites up.



Wow.  You have cracked the case.  Or, maybe not.  Anyway, your "lights in the sky" mean pretty much nothing.

Lights in the sky means something is up there. And these lights are special. Very recent addition.

It shows that companies not just NASA are putting satellites into orbit.
Allegedly, yeah, but those companies must go through NASA to get those things up there.

You think China goes through NASA? -1

But thank you for agreeing that they are atleast putting stuff into orbit. -2
1 - You know what I mean. If you are resorting to semantics and putting my comments under the microscope to do so, you've already lost.
2 - Do you know what allegedly means?

Ok I'm all ears. You have heard reports of people who have seen them.

They only turned up a few years ago when they allegedly put the Iridium satellites into orbit.

What is your reasoning for these predictable bright lights if they aren't satellites?
They're stratellites.

You mean these things? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratellite

That they haven't put into production yet?
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2016, 10:20:35 PM »
Quote from: yobbo on January 20, 2016, 10:01:08 PM

You mean these things? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratellite

That they haven't put into production yet?
Yes. You're very unquestioning. I'm sure you think you have all the latest technology in your household.
Truth is, most things that are "new" to us are at least 20 years old before they get to us.
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2016, 11:54:19 PM »
What if I told you there's a way you can prove that at least one of these flares come from a genuine satellite? (Not necessarily an Iridium satellite)
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2016, 12:18:08 AM »
Quote from: Master_Evar on January 20, 2016, 11:54:19 PM
What if I told you there's a way you can prove that at least one of these flares come from a genuine satellite? (Not necessarily an Iridium satellite)
Why don't you skip the rhetoric and just make your point?
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2016, 12:23:51 AM »
Quote from: th3rm0m3t3r0 on January 21, 2016, 12:18:08 AM
Quote from: Master_Evar on January 20, 2016, 11:54:19 PM
What if I told you there's a way you can prove that at least one of these flares come from a genuine satellite? (Not necessarily an Iridium satellite)
Why don't you skip the rhetoric and just make your point?

Quote from: Master_Evar on August 29, 2015, 07:35:59 AM
But, I'll still give you the original equation :

D(ISS Orbit)=2H+8000miles

O(ISS Orbit)=[pi](2H+8000)miles

D(Earth)= 8000miles

H(ISS height over earth)=H

t(Time spent in 20° of your field of view straight overhead)  (variable)  (in seconds)

T(Time for ISS to make one full lap in orbit)=5400s

S(Length ISS travel along 20° of your field of view straight overhead)=2*H*tan(10°)miles  (Using trigonometry, since this is only an approxmation and the arc is pretty small)=0.3527Hmiles  (roughly)

t/T=S/D(ISS Orbit) -> ts/5400s=0.3527Hmiles/[pi](2H+8000)miles  (equability)

t/5400=0.3527H/[pi](2H+8000)

t=0.3527H*5400/[pi](2H+8000)=1904.3H/[pi](2H+8000)

t[pi](2H+8000)=1904.3H

t[pi]2H+t[pi]8000=1904.3H

1904.3H-t[pi]2H=t[pi]8000

H(1904.3-2t[pi])=t[pi]8000

H=t[pi]8000/(1904.3-2t[pi])

Actually, it seems like something went wrong when I posted the equation in the earlier post, as it seems to be missing a number 2. I will edit that one quickly. This equation will only give you an approximation, as you can only approximate 20° of your FOV, approximate the time it travels and because it is doesn't take the curvature into account. But it is close enough to calculate if it is in space or not.

EDIT:

Almost forgot:

D=Diameter

O=Circumference

H=Height

S=Straight

t and T=Time
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Re: Iridium flares
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2016, 08:55:30 AM »
Quote from: Master_Evar on January 21, 2016, 12:23:51 AM
And what does that prove? The time they send their high-altitude corrected prospective ISS drone/stratellite over a town or state near you?
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