Zetetic method VS scientific method. A forum game.

While not on topic, Legion's post certainly needs an answer!

Then you will realise that the scientific method which you so adore produces:   NOTHING.
Engineers are responsible for all of the technology you enjoy.
If you wish to exclaim, "but without the scientists doing their work, the engineers would have nothing to work with!"
That is bullshit as well. Engineers, engineer. Scientists, theorize and produce...   NOTHING!

Really, take the semiconductor field which depends heavily on Quantum Mechanics.  I don't know how far you want to go back?
Just which if these people in this field were Scientists and which were Engineers.  Some such as Faraday were certainly scientists.

Micheal Faraday	1833	First Semiconductor Effect is Recorded
Ferdinand Braun	1874	Semiconductor Point-Contact Rectifier Effect is Discovered
Jagadis Chandra Bose	1901	Semiconductor Rectifiers Patented as "Cat's Whisker" Detectors
Julius Lilienfeld	1926	Field Effect Semiconductor Device Concepts Patented
Alan Wilson	1931	"The Theory Of Electronic Semi-Conductors" is Published
Russell Ohl	1940	Discovery of the p-n Junction
John Bardeen & Walter Brattain	1947	Invention of the Point-Contact Transistor
William Shockley	1948	Conception of the Junction Transistor
Gordon Teal	1951	First Grown-Junction Transistors Fabricated
Morris Tanenbaum	1954	Silicon Transistors Offer Superior Operating Characteristics
Robert Noyce	1959	Practical Monolithic Integrated Circuit Concept Patented
Frank Wanlass	1963	Complementary MOS Circuit Configuration is Invented

If you delve into the development of modern semiconductors you will a mixture of scientists, engineers and many who would classed as "cross-overs".
Developments in modern technology almost always follow the same lines.
A very important feature is that all of the development of modern technology relies on the work of numerous others, often going back hundreds of years.

Zetetic:
Flat earth is initial theory.

Quote from: legion on January 16, 2016, 01:45:00 PM

Since this has become a free for all by the trolls, allow me to inject some logic in to the thread. Most of the claimed victories of the scientific method were nothing of the kind. Architecture? Computers? Electricity?

Get real, idiots. Unless you can present peer reviewed papers outlining the "scientific method" being used, you are talking shit like usual. Most of what you claim is thanks to the "scientific method" is actually thanks to the zetetic method.

Trial and error, usually. By engineers. Not scientists. Read the definition below, and try to understand it ffs.

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The zetetic method differs from the usual scientific method in that in using it, one bases conclusions on experimentation and observation rather than on an initial theory that is to be proved or disproved. A scientist following the zetetic method formulates the question then immediately sets to work making observations and performing experiments to answer that question, rather than speculating on what the answer might be before testing it out.

Some feel this is a more reasonable method than the normal scientific method because it removes any preconceived notions and biases the early formation of a hypothesis might cause, and leaves the conclusion up entirely to what is observed.

Then you will realise that the scientific method which you so adore produces:

NOTHING.

Engineers are responsible for all of the technology you enjoy.

If you wish to exclaim, "but without the scientists doing their work, the engineers would have nothing to work with!"

That is bullshit as well. Engineers, engineer. Scientists, theorize and produce...

NOTHING!

Why so upset?

Are you an Engineer?

Legion an engineer?!? Hahah.

Both:
Neither supports FE theory.

Since this has become a free for all by the trolls, allow me to inject some logic in to the thread. Most of the claimed victories of the scientific method were nothing of the kind. Architecture? Computers? Electricity?

Get real, idiots. Unless you can present peer reviewed papers outlining the "scientific method" being used, you are talking shit like usual. Most of what you claim is thanks to the "scientific method" is actually thanks to the zetetic method.

Trial and error, usually. By engineers. Not scientists. Read the definition below, and try to understand it ffs.

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The zetetic method differs from the usual scientific method in that in using it, one bases conclusions on experimentation and observation rather than on an initial theory that is to be proved or disproved. A scientist following the zetetic method formulates the question then immediately sets to work making observations and performing experiments to answer that question, rather than speculating on what the answer might be before testing it out.

Some feel this is a more reasonable method than the normal scientific method because it removes any preconceived notions and biases the early formation of a hypothesis might cause, and leaves the conclusion up entirely to what is observed.

Then you will realise that the scientific method which you so adore produces:

NOTHING.

Engineers are responsible for all of the technology you enjoy.

If you wish to exclaim, "but without the scientists doing their work, the engineers would have nothing to work with!"

That is bullshit as well. Engineers, engineer. Scientists, theorize and produce...

NOTHING!

Troll method:
Draws artificial, semantic distinction between scientists/engineers.