I challenge Jeranism to a video war!

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I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« on: January 01, 2016, 12:24:18 AM »
I see that Jeranism is here and it seems that he is a rather prestigious flat Earth YouTuber.  I have already challenged Heiwa to a video war but I think I can handle two at once.  The idea is that we will take turns making and posting videos addressing points raised in the last video posted by the other person, and we will post links to our videos on this thread.


The rules and guidelines are the same as in the video war with Heiwa.  Here they are:

Videos can be any length and they can be as simple or as professional as you want.  You could just talk in front of a camera or make a well polished animated video with voice overs, whatever works for you is fine.

You must address all points raised in the video you are responding to.  If you do not address something then it will be assumed that you agree with it.

Do not derail the conversation.

Only 5 points may be present in each video, reguardless of weather they are new ones or points being addressed.  This is to make sure that the videos are not too long, because if they are then they will be hard to make and boring to watch.

And lastly, please use common sense.


Both Jeranism and I will be bound by these rules, and aditional ones may be proposed.

So what do you say Jeranism, is this going to be a thing?
« Last Edit: January 04, 2016, 11:42:10 AM by mikeman7918 »
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2016, 12:50:55 AM »
I forgot to mention that I will be letting Jeranism make the first video.  He may bring up any proofs for flat Earth he wants, and I will be bound by the rules to respond to all of them.  He can even use a video from his channel if he wants, or give me the privilege of making the first video if that suits him.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2016, 01:45:22 AM »
Why do you have a hard on for Jeranism?  Is it because he is articulate and makes a lot of sense?  Maybe your are simply jealous of him?  Why the butthurt? 

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2016, 02:02:12 AM »
Why do you have a hard on for Jeranism?  Is it because he is articulate and makes a lot of sense?  Maybe your are simply jealous of him?  Why the butthurt?

I am not one to pick on low hanging fruit.  Jeranism is rather prestigious and esteemed among flat earthers and he seems to be rather skilled in the art of persuasion.  I always love a good debate challenge, and I am certainly not going to pass up an opertunity like this.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2016, 02:04:35 AM »
I thought you had me on your ignore list?

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2016, 08:20:44 AM »
I think I can handle two at once.

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2016, 08:31:29 AM »
Why would a prestigous figure spend hours and days debating with someone who isn't?

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2016, 08:48:44 AM »
Why do you have a hard on for Jeranism?  Is it because he is articulate and makes a lot of sense?  Maybe your are simply jealous of him?  Why the butthurt?

I am not one to pick on low hanging fruit.  Jeranism is rather prestigious and esteemed among flat earthers and he seems to be rather skilled in the art of persuasion.  I always love a good debate challenge, and I am certainly not going to pass up an opertunity like this.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2016, 10:00:28 AM »
Duh Mikey, he has already beat the piss out of you. Make your video and put it up.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2016, 02:21:06 PM »
I thought you had me on your ignore list?

Well you thought wrong.  My ignore list consists of only ExelsiorJohn and Papa Legba.

Why would a prestigous figure spend hours and days debating with someone who isn't?

Because what he would likely otherwise be doing is spending hours and days debating on the forum and making YouTube videos about flat Earth.

Are you on double pay for the Christmas holidays?

Well, 0*2=0 so I guess you could say that.

Duh Mikey, he has already beat the piss out of you. Make your video and put it up.

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The only reason I have not responded to his application for my challenge is because it would take a while and require diagrams and possibly a short animation, and I won't have the time until later today.  His arguments are based almost entirely off of bad spacial reasoning.  Like I said, I will debunk his ponts later today.  I will not make my video until Jeranism makes his video or says that I can go first.  It's his call.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
See the thread about it here.

Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2016, 10:42:21 AM »
  Like I said, I will debunk his ponts later today.  I will not make my video until Jeranism makes his video or says that I can go first.  It's his call.

Considering one of Jeranism's latest "proofs" was basically Cikljamas's old 'zigzag' song and dance, I don't see how hard it could possibly be.

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2016, 11:09:52 AM »
Considering one of Jeranism's latest "proofs" was basically Cikljamas's old 'zigzag' song and dance, I don't see how hard it could possibly be.

The problem is, I have to explain it to Jeranism and with his bad spatial reasoning that would require some diagrams and an animation.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2016, 12:10:34 PM »
Ask him directly, looks like he's open to public Q&A.

A video war might be a bit unlikely (I doubt he'd put more videos on his youtube channel for what is a comparatively small deal), but I wish you luck anyway. Maybe consider alternatives, or a reformulation: if he doesn't want to add brand new videos to his channel, he could leave them as unlisted and post them in a debate thread here.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2016, 09:42:39 AM »
I see that Jeranism is here and it seems that he is a rather prestigious flat Earth YouTuber.  I have already challenged Heiwa to a video war but I think I can handle two at once.  The idea is that we will take turns making and posting videos addressing points raised in the last video posted by the other person, and we will post links to our videos on this thread.


The rules and guidelines are the same as in the video war with Heiwa.  Here they are:

Videos can be any length and they can be as simple or as professional as you want.  You could just talk in front of a camera or make a well polished animated video with voice overs, whatever works for you is fine.

You must address all points raised in the video you are responding to.  If you do not address something then it will be assumed that you agree with it.

Do not derail the conversation.

And lastly, please use common sense.


Both Jeranism and I will be bound by these rules, and aditional ones may be proposed.

So what do you say Jeranism, is this going to be a thing?

Hmmm, I like your style Mike. I'm all for it. I am in the middle of moving this week so I have my hands full but I will accept the invitation to go first. Since I am a little time crunched, I will need a few days to get the first video out and I will make the first one short and sweet and we can go on from there.

Let me summarize the rules and your confirmation of them will be the start of the video war and I will be creating my video shortly...

So,

I will make a video covering whatever I want about the Flat Earth or Ball Earth.
You then must reply in video form being sure to cover all points made in my video. On top of that, you will also be adding your points.
I will then respond to your points and add my new points at the end.

Idea---
The only thing I don't like is the unlimited time/points part. Just an idea, why don't we make a number, like 5 for example. My first video will include 5 points and you must respond to each of the five points. So, you would say, "In response to point 1, xxxxxx and in response to point 2 xxxxxxxxxxxx..... so on and so forth. Then you would end the video stating your five points. Then I would respond, "In response to point 1, xxxxxxxxxxxx............... etc. etc.

I feel this is an easier way to keep track of what exactly you want responses to. I don't want to listen to you for an hour and try to answer your 52 points, for you then to assert that since I didn't address point 43 sub section c- that I have conceded that point.

If 5 is too many, tell me how many points is reasonable.  Other than that, I look forward to making you take your ball and go home.

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2016, 11:39:17 AM »
Hmmm, I like your style Mike. I'm all for it. I am in the middle of moving this week so I have my hands full but I will accept the invitation to go first. Since I am a little time crunched, I will need a few days to get the first video out and I will make the first one short and sweet and we can go on from there.

I expected it would take a day or two.  I will probobaly take more then a day to release my videos with the amount of animation and polish I like to have.

Let me summarize the rules and your confirmation of them will be the start of the video war and I will be creating my video shortly...

So,

I will make a video covering whatever I want about the Flat Earth or Ball Earth.
You then must reply in video form being sure to cover all points made in my video. On top of that, you will also be adding your points.
I will then respond to your points and add my new points at the end.

Idea---
The only thing I don't like is the unlimited time/points part. Just an idea, why don't we make a number, like 5 for example. My first video will include 5 points and you must respond to each of the five points. So, you would say, "In response to point 1, xxxxxx and in response to point 2 xxxxxxxxxxxx..... so on and so forth. Then you would end the video stating your five points. Then I would respond, "In response to point 1, xxxxxxxxxxxx............... etc. etc.

I feel this is an easier way to keep track of what exactly you want responses to. I don't want to listen to you for an hour and try to answer your 52 points, for you then to assert that since I didn't address point 43 sub section c- that I have conceded that point.

If 5 is too many, tell me how many points is reasonable.  Other than that, I look forward to making you take your ball and go home.

In the forum the number of points that are being debated at any one time sort of self-regulates and I was assuming that the same thing would happen here.  Having a set number of points is a good idea though, and I think 5 seems like a good number, so I guess it's a deal.  I will ammend the OP to include this rule.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
See the thread about it here.

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2016, 01:18:50 PM »
I've been on your channel, mikeboy. Maybe some fresh air and mixing with people in the "real" world would be a better use of your time rather than having video wars.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2016, 01:41:55 PM »
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2016, 01:58:46 PM »
I've been on your channel, mikeboy. Maybe some fresh air and mixing with people in the "real" world would be a better use of your time rather than having video wars.

I spend a lot of time not being on this forum.  What do you think I do during that time, just sit on the couch and stare at the wall?
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2016, 05:00:22 PM »
Could I suggest that any video only rebuts the point that the previous video makes and you are allowed to make one point in addition?  It would make each video short and sweet, and also make the debate cleaner. 

Also, Hi Jeranism!

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2016, 04:28:14 AM »
I've been on your channel, mikeboy. Maybe some fresh air and mixing with people in the "real" world would be a better use of your time rather than having video wars.

What, as opposed to your VR world?     

Bring on the video war,  should be interesting.   Although  I predict no flat earther will be swayed by logic and facts,   they haven't so far.   

Still it's worth a try.     I'm  expecting the pigeons playing chess analogy to hold. 
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2016, 05:36:32 AM »
  Like I said, I will debunk his ponts later today.  I will not make my video until Jeranism makes his video or says that I can go first.  It's his call.

Considering one of Jeranism's latest "proofs" was basically Cikljamas's old 'zigzag' song and dance
Really?  Wow, I didn't think anyone else could be as confused as Cikljamas...
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2016, 05:42:11 AM »
Could I suggest that any video only rebuts the point that the previous video makes and you are allowed to make one point in addition?  It would make each video short and sweet, and also make the debate cleaner. 

One might be a little small: two or three may be better to give a more representative image. Five does feel a little ambitious, because as it's unlikely an argument'll be conceded for a little while, you'll be in the situation of discussing ten points per video, and typically refutations can go through multiple levels and would cover multiple possibilities, which would need to be responded to in turn...
That could get hectic fast. I can see twenty topics at least by the third video.
Talking about any topic for that length of time, you'd end up exhausted by the end, and might go into far less detail than you would need to. Jeranism might be more adept at it, looking at the lengths of videos on his channel, but I doubt watchers could keep track of everything.

In the interests of a good debate, a couple of extra thoughts:

No new topics to be introduced beyond the first five/three/whatever of each side, as standalone arguments. That way it'll be far easier to keep track of if any point gets conceded, and should avoid the discussion ending up too messy. So, if one party concedes "Yes, that isn't a good argument for my point of view over the model you're proposing," (which wouldn't mean conceding the debate: I can be a REer without defending the dodgy coriolis-plughole arguments that pop up from time to time) they can't just replace it, and one less point will be discussed.
More can be added to refutations, of course, so long as they are in fact refutations.
The idea's to avoid the debate getting too out-of-control, and hopefully giving it a natural life.

Clear divides between points. Partly just to make responding easier, but mostly for if refutations do end up involving subdivisions, it's cleaner to respond to 6a/6b etc, and it will hopefully make evading a point (accidentally or otherwise) harder. I've seen a few discussions on this forum where part of a post doesn't get responded to because it seemed like part of the same argument to the reader, while not to the writer. if all separate points are marked, then the possibility of that happening accidentally gets removed (and if the same answer holds over multiple subdivisions, it wouldn't be too hard to just say "In response to 4b and 4d..." and combine them).

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2016, 07:21:52 AM »
Mike does that sound good?  I agree with the above point. 5 means each video we'd be answering 5 points and making 5 which is ten and not going to be very short at all.  What do you say we do 3.  3 Points.  So I'll start with 3. Your response will be your reply to those three and then making three points of your own. Sound good or should we go shorter and start with two. Let me know and I will get started on video #1.

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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2016, 07:31:58 AM »
Hey Jeranism, if you are unaware I posted a response to your entry to my challenge and you said that you might make a video debunking my response.  You could kill two birds with one stone by addressing that and starting the challenge with the same video, but whatever you do I would love to see your video addressing those points when/if it comes out.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2016, 07:35:51 AM »
Okay I will include that. So, what's the final word?  3?

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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2016, 07:41:06 AM »
Okay I will include that. So, what's the final word?  3?

Yes, I am fine with that.
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2016, 10:11:18 AM »
Are you guys going to post the videos here?
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2016, 10:55:32 AM »
Are you guys going to post the videos here?

Jeranism probobaly will and I definitely will.  I will link to the video I am responding to in the video description anyway, so even if he doesn't you will be able to follow it rather easily.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
See the thread about it here.

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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2016, 11:40:20 AM »
Are you guys going to post the videos here?

Jeranism probobaly will and I definitely will.  I will link to the video I am responding to in the video description anyway, so even if he doesn't you will be able to follow it rather easily.

Thanks.
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Re: I challenge Jeranism to a video war!
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2016, 09:47:55 PM »
OK, change of plan.  The videos will not be linked on this thread, instead they will be linked on this new thread:

Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
See the thread about it here.