A new FE map

Other than the Antarctica conspiracy theory, why does the FE Society use the traditional UN type map with the N.Pole in the middle?


Why don't they use this map with the S.Pole in the middle:


It has the same distortions, but in the N.hemisphere. Would anyone north of the equator buy it?

The south celestial pole (center of southern star trails) would be correct, but unfortunately, the north celestial pole would not be viewed by anyone above the disk. Polaris would go around a 50,000+ mi circle.

Travel distances in the southern hemisphere would be better, but I doubt anyone in the northern hemisphere would be pleased with the 50,000+ mi distance at Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia.

Since the FE Society really doesn't care what people in the southern hemisphere think (I doubt there are many people from S. America, southern Africa, Antarctica, Pacifica or toward Australia/New Zealand on this website) and it is mostly oceans, that isn't much of a problem, is it? One air traffic controller from New Zealand, just got blown off (see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64740.0)

Why don't they use this map with the S.Pole in the middle:


It has the same distortions, but in the N.hemisphere. Would anyone north of the equator buy it?

It's just another projection of a globe, so what's the point?  What do you meant by "buy it"?  You mean will it fool anyone?

The shapes of the continents are completely wrong, which isn't surprising.  Also, according to that map if I sail due north from the UK I'll hit the edge of the world after a few hundred kilometres.  Pro-tip: this doesn't happen.

You're clutching at straws.

If you want a map of the world with no distortion and correct distances, use this one:

https://www.webglearth.com/#ll=35.89553,10.72382;alt=16994249;t=-0.187


See any problems?

Quote from: Jadyyn on December 31, 2015, 07:48:28 AM

Why don't they use this map with the S.Pole in the middle:


It has the same distortions, but in the N.hemisphere. Would anyone north of the equator buy it?

It's just another projection of a globe, so what's the point?  What do you meant by "buy it"?  You mean will it fool anyone?

The shapes of the continents are completely wrong, which isn't surprising.  Also, according to that map if I sail due north from the UK I'll hit the edge of the world after a few hundred kilometres.  Pro-tip: this doesn't happen.

You're clutching at straws.

If you want a map of the world with no distortion and correct distances, use this one:

https://www.webglearth.com/#ll=35.89553,10.72382;alt=16994249;t=-0.187

See any problems?

You got my point exactly.

I saw map with Antarctica as a continent not as a ice wall. My question now is what's beyond that and why nobody found it?

I saw map with Antarctica as a continent not as a ice wall. My question now is what's beyond that and why nobody found it?

The Antarctica "wall" and conspiracy must be maintained so the map with the N.Pole in the middle can be used. If there is no "wall" or conspiracy, the map with the S.Pole can be used/just as valid. So the "wall" and conspiracy must be demonstrated/proved.

Notice how quickly people in the northern hemisphere will jump all over the S.UN map. We all "know" it is wrong. We should all be jumping all over the N.UN map similarly. It is just that there aren't as many internet users south of the equator as north (and it is mostly oceans - the fish don't care). Also, people in the southern hemisphere "expect" to get screwed - map-wise - as usual. There have been people in the southern hemisphere that proposed inverted maps (up=good, down=bad) but to no avail:

Same as normal map, but somehow, northern people don't want to be on the bottom... hmm...

What evidence is there that a FE map has the centre at the north pole and not the south pole?

What evidence is there that a FE map has the centre at the north pole and not the south pole?

1000000x this ^. They ask for evidence for a globe but then accept that the North Pole is the center and not the south?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 31, 2015, 08:15:09 AM

Quote from: Jadyyn on December 31, 2015, 07:48:28 AM

Why don't they use this map with the S.Pole in the middle:


It has the same distortions, but in the N.hemisphere. Would anyone north of the equator buy it?

It's just another projection of a globe, so what's the point?  What do you meant by "buy it"?  You mean will it fool anyone?

The shapes of the continents are completely wrong, which isn't surprising.  Also, according to that map if I sail due north from the UK I'll hit the edge of the world after a few hundred kilometres.  Pro-tip: this doesn't happen.

You're clutching at straws.

If you want a map of the world with no distortion and correct distances, use this one:

https://www.webglearth.com/#ll=35.89553,10.72382;alt=16994249;t=-0.187

See any problems?

You got my point exactly.

I'm not sure what that is?  That the world is a round, and only a globe can show an non-distorted map of the world?

Quote from: Jadyyn on December 31, 2015, 08:21:08 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 31, 2015, 08:15:09 AM

Quote from: Jadyyn on December 31, 2015, 07:48:28 AM

Why don't they use this map with the S.Pole in the middle:


It has the same distortions, but in the N.hemisphere. Would anyone north of the equator buy it?

It's just another projection of a globe, so what's the point?  What do you meant by "buy it"?  You mean will it fool anyone?

The shapes of the continents are completely wrong, which isn't surprising.  Also, according to that map if I sail due north from the UK I'll hit the edge of the world after a few hundred kilometres.  Pro-tip: this doesn't happen.

You're clutching at straws.

If you want a map of the world with no distortion and correct distances, use this one:

https://www.webglearth.com/#ll=35.89553,10.72382;alt=16994249;t=-0.187

See any problems?

You got my point exactly.

I'm not sure what that is?  That the world is a round, and only a globe can show an non-distorted map of the world?

My point is that in the FE model, there are 2 equally valid maps. If the S.UN map was used, most people being north of the equator, would strongly disagree that the S.UN map is valid as the inaccurate distances and the distortions would be plainly evident (your UK to the edge of the world example). Since LOTS of people/airplanes travel the northern route daily, this is relatively easy to verify - not so much in the southern hemisphere using the N.UN map.

The N.UN map gets a slide because (1) most people in the northern hemisphere don't care and (2) since most of the southern hemisphere is either water or people who probably don't have the internet, their voices are not heard (my NZ air traffic controller link) and (3) probably for decades, when southern people were trying to invert the world map, although the results are the same, northern people have a stigma that north=up=good, south=down=bad, and do not want to invert it (if the magnetic north and south switch, I wonder if they will invert the map/globe then).

This leads to the conclusion that BOTH UN maps (azimuthal projection in general) are wrong. The true shape/map of the Earth should therefore be something else. Although I did not explicitly state it, the spherical Earth map (globe) seems "right" to everyone in both hemispheres based on distances and the lack of distortions. The only question with the globe is whether the N.Pole should be on top or bottom of the globe.

So your comments demonstrate exactly what my point is/was.

My point is that in the FE model, there are 2 equally valid maps.

Actually, there is probably an infinite number of maps that don't work...but I get your point.

So your comments demonstrate exactly what my point is/was.

Ooops, I see now.  Thought you were a flattie for a moment, so you can see my confusion.

The South-Pole centric map is promising, in a way. The fact most of it's water means you can happily shrink it, and so shrink the outer part of the disc, which might help answer some flight time difficulties.
The problem is there are plenty of flights over the North Pole, and fewer over the southern. That makes it more convenient to have the North be at the centre, to explain how the flights exist. The few flights over the South pole just go ignored.

There is another 2 huge problems using a S.UN map:

1) Map correction. To make S.America and Australia look "correct", the N.UN map must be "fixed" by adding 1000's of miles of water to the oceans (the fish don't care about FE maps):

Before:


After:


But what to do with this - the same distortion exists:

Before:


No amount of "fixing" will make N.America, Europe and Asia look right. Hence, FEers can't use the S.UN map. The FE Society just wants to deceive everyone using the N.UN map ("fixed"). Very few people (e.g. people in yacht races) will actually sail the 50,000+ miles around Antarctica to verify it. Probably no flights. Although, a NZ air traffic controller has verified distances but was ignored (see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64740.0).

2) A flight from Europe to Alaska is much shorter via Antarctica. Why do they go anywhere near the N.Pole?

Edit: The after picture no longer showed link. Replaced with a different link (same concept)

A flight from Europe to Alaska is much shorter via Antarctica. Why do they go anywhere near the N.Pole?

Are you sure? If so, I'm curious to know why.

Edit: Never mind, I just realized you were talking about the path on a southern azimuthal projection lol.

Quote from: Jadyyn on December 31, 2015, 07:48:28 AM

Why don't they use this map with the S.Pole in the middle:


It has the same distortions, but in the N.hemisphere. Would anyone north of the equator buy it?

It's just another projection of a globe, so what's the point?  What do you meant by "buy it"?  You mean will it fool anyone?

The shapes of the continents are completely wrong, which isn't surprising.  Also, according to that map if I sail due north from the UK I'll hit the edge of the world after a few hundred kilometres.  Pro-tip: this doesn't happen.

You're clutching at straws.

If you want a map of the world with no distortion and correct distances, use this one:

https://www.webglearth.com/#ll=35.89553,10.72382;alt=16994249;t=-0.187


See any problems?

What's that big circle in the middle of antarctica?

What evidence is there that a FE map has the centre at the north pole and not the south pole?

Most FEs live in the northern hemisphere, which means it's easier for them to deny evidence and make up theories about the southern hemisphere.

Other than the Antarctica conspiracy theory, why does the FE Society use the traditional UN type map with the N.Pole in the middle?

Why don't they use this map with the S.Pole in the middle:

It has the same distortions, but in the N.hemisphere. Would anyone north of the equator buy it?

The south celestial pole (center of southern star trails) would be correct, but unfortunately, the north celestial pole would not be viewed by anyone above the disk. Polaris would go around a 50,000+ mi circle.

Travel distances in the southern hemisphere would be better, but I doubt anyone in the northern hemisphere would be pleased with the 50,000+ mi distance at Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia.

Since the FE Society really doesn't care what people in the southern hemisphere think (I doubt there are many people from S. America, southern Africa, Antarctica, Pacifica or toward Australia/New Zealand on this website) and it is mostly oceans, that isn't much of a problem, is it? One air traffic controller from New Zealand, just got blown off (see http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64740.0)

You ask "Would anyone north of the equator buy it?" Who cares? Not I! I live in the Southern Hemisphere, so I KNOW that the North Polar Equidistant Azimuthal Map is a ridiculous as a Flat Earth map.
As a projection of the globe the Equidistant Azimuthal Map has definite uses!

Yes... The N.UN map favors the northern hemisphere. The S.UN map favors the southern. The distortions along the edge are IDENTICAL and quite severe. No one in those hemispheres likes the distortions. The other hemisphere doesn't care much.

Hence, both are "wrong" as THE FE map, unless they are for some special use. Azimuthal projections have their uses (like for the flag of the UN for one  ).

No, wait. I like this S. AZ. map. Look how big the US is!! This map explains why Europe/NA/Asia have all the resources and economic power,  and all those "cradle of life" center of the earth third world countries have, well... what we let them have. And it makes getting to the edge of the dome and proofing FE once and for all a rather attainable task. The very idea that the UN would deceive FE'ers into believing we had to cross an entire globe to reach what was actually at our doorstep boils my blood.  You may just be onto something. The N.Azi map is a Nazi/Un deception disguising the truth of the South pole centric FE, perhaps. Layers of deception...