Universal Accelerator - how it works?

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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #120 on: January 08, 2016, 10:58:22 AM »
Have you ever looked in the mirror?  Just wondering.  lol
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #121 on: January 08, 2016, 02:11:33 PM »
How do you set inertial FOR and how do you know it is not affected by UA?
Drop something.  Or jump.  There you go: an inertial FOR. 

If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.
Since you keep wanting to start fights, may you fix this or do you need a "discount" chemist to fix it for you?

Says the discount chemist that claims I stated I had proven General Relativity.  Who also can't provide a single quote of mine to provide as evidence, yet provides posts of his, as evidence of my statement.
Say the engineer who thinks he can use a theory to prove scientific arguments.
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #122 on: January 08, 2016, 02:15:31 PM »
Have you ever looked in the mirror?  Just wondering.  lol
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #123 on: January 08, 2016, 03:12:05 PM »
How do you set inertial FOR and how do you know it is not affected by UA?
Drop something.  Or jump.  There you go: an inertial FOR. 

If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.
Since you keep wanting to start fights, may you fix this or do you need a "discount" chemist to fix it for you?
Uh, what?

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Say the engineer who thinks he can use a theory to prove scientific arguments.
So, I'm still waiting on that quote...


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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #124 on: January 08, 2016, 03:40:09 PM »
Which is obviously why I termed it 'Dark Energy'.

And why would you go and do a thing like that?

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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #125 on: January 08, 2016, 03:43:50 PM »
From the little I have read the Einstein's "Equivalence Theory" can only be applied over a region of space and time where "g" is constant.  Here g is taken to be the net acceleration we feel as a result of gravity and other effects.

This is clearly not true for the whole surface area of the earth.
We find that at sea level g varies from about 9.780 m/s2 at the Equator to to about 9.832 m/s2 at the poles - only about 0.5%, but quite measurable.
Also an increase in altitude from sea level to 9,000 metres (30,000 ft) causes a weight decrease of about 0.29%, neglecting any change in bouancy of the less dense atmosphere. (Admittedly from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_of_Earth#Latitude, but the I don't believe the figures are much disputed).

So if the UA theory is going to rely on the "Equivalence Theory" for justification, some rational explanation for these variations must be provided.  This explanation should show why changes in "g"are detected as a result of massive ore bodies - used in mineral exploration.

And, please don't come up with the "gravitational effects of the sun moon and other celestial bodies" for obvious reasons!


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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #126 on: January 08, 2016, 03:49:47 PM »
How do you set inertial FOR and how do you know it is not affected by UA?
Drop something.  Or jump.  There you go: an inertial FOR. 

If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.
Since you keep wanting to start fights, may you fix this or do you need a "discount" chemist to fix it for you?
Uh, what?
You sure get confused a lot, do you have Alzheimer's disease. Do you need me to fix your incorrect statement or are you going to do it?
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Say the engineer who thinks he can use a theory to prove scientific arguments.
So, I'm still waiting on that quote...
I'm still waiting for you to learn what evidence is.   
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #127 on: January 08, 2016, 08:52:00 PM »
You sure get confused a lot, do you have Alzheimer's disease. Do you need me to fix your incorrect statement or are you going to do it?
Sure, Discount Chemist, go ahead.

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I'm still waiting for you to learn what evidence is.
So that is still a 'no' on the quote, then?


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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #128 on: January 08, 2016, 09:30:56 PM »
How do you set inertial FOR and how do you know it is not affected by UA?
Drop something.*  Or jump.*  There you go: an inertial FOR. 

If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.
*In a vacuum.
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #129 on: January 08, 2016, 09:41:58 PM »
How do you set inertial FOR and how do you know it is not affected by UA?
Drop something.*  Or jump.*  There you go: an inertial FOR. 

If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.
*In a vacuum.

Idiot.

If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.

When the object is not in contact with the FE (directly or otherwise)


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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #130 on: January 08, 2016, 09:47:39 PM »
How do you set inertial FOR and how do you know it is not affected by UA?
Drop something.*  Or jump.*  There you go: an inertial FOR. 

If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.
*In a vacuum.

Idiot.

If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.

When the object is not in contact with the FE (directly or otherwise)
Are you saying air is massless?
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #131 on: January 08, 2016, 10:06:07 PM »
Discount Chemist, I know you are not good at posting quotes, but please provide the quote where I said air is massless.


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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #132 on: January 08, 2016, 10:14:21 PM »
Discount Chemist, I know you are not good at posting quotes, but please provide the quote where I said air is massless.
Do you know what a question mark is? <---- This thing

Also once again, you change the subject.  For an engineer you sure don't know much about physics. Do you need me to explain why a falling object in atmosphere is not in an inertial reference frame? <--- question mark
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #133 on: January 08, 2016, 10:22:05 PM »
Discount Chemist, I know you are not good at posting quotes, but please provide the quote where I said air is massless.
Do you know what a question mark is? <---- This thing

Also once again, you change the subject.  For an engineer you sure don't know much about physics. Do you need me to explain why a falling object in atmosphere is not in an inertial reference frame? <--- question mark
So no quote, then? <--- Question mark

Oh, and this:
If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.

When the object is not in contact with the FE (directly or otherwise)


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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #134 on: January 08, 2016, 10:27:38 PM »
Discount Chemist, I know you are not good at posting quotes, but please provide the quote where I said air is massless.
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Read my post again. You clearly didn't comprehend any of it the first time.
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Also once again, you change the subject.  For an engineer you sure don't know much about physics. Do you need me to explain why a falling object in atmosphere is not in an inertial reference frame? <--- question mark
So no quote, then? <--- Question mark
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Oh, and this:
If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.

When the object is not in contact with the FE (directly or otherwise)
Objects under aerodynamic drag are not inertial.
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #135 on: January 08, 2016, 10:51:03 PM »
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How do you determine what is in direct contact with UA and what it is not?
Simplified answer (applicable for most things on the FE and most celestial objects; this list is also FOR dependent):
1.  Is it accelerating at a minimum of 9.8m/s^2?  Yes, go to #2.  No, go to #5.
2.  Is there an acceleration vector normal to the FE equal to #1?  Yes, go to #3.  No, go to #5.
3.  When the object is not in contact with the FE (directly or otherwise) does the object retain the acceleration described in #1 and #2?   Yes, go to #4.  No, go to #5.
4.  The object is affected by the UA (what I have termed Dark Energy).
5.  The object is not affected by the UA/DE.
Ok, so:;
A) The part of the Earth near the equator, where the acceleration is below 9.8 (~9.78) is not affected by the UA.
B) The object accelerating at 10 m/s^2 but with tilted vector is not affected by the UA. That means, anything rotating around the Earth is not, because their vectors aren't normal.
C) Object accelerating in the opposite direction to the Earth can also be affected by the UA. So the UA can accelerate objects in two opposite directions.
D) If UA accelerates stuff at 9.8m/s^2, how is anything above the shield (see further part of the post) able to move with higher acceleration?
E) Anything outside of the Earth that is moving "slower" (lower acceleration) is not affected by the UA. Meteors that hit the surface for instance.

Etc. Your description makes no sense at all. It is very selective and basically causes 99.9999....9% of the Universe not to be affected by the UA.

If the disc acts as a shield to neglect the UA effect, why the Sun and the Moon do not fall onto the Earth? They are over the disc and UA is affected by the shield...
The FE creates a type of 'bow shock' within the DEF (Dark Energy Field).  This prevents the objects on the top of the FE from being directly affected by the UA/DE.  The field has nearly fully collapsed at about the altitude of the Sun and Moon, allowing for their suspension above the FE.
This "about the altitude of the Sun and Moon" collapse is so convinient that I just do not believe it. Also, the shiled would have to form a cylinder above the disc to  ~map the reality. I find this hard to believe too.

Last question. Why the Earth is accelerating upwards so regularly (perfectly upwards), but there are plenty objects that are not?
Well, if the FE was not accelerating 'so regularly' we wouldn't be around to know it.
This answers the non-existing question. Try again.

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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #136 on: January 09, 2016, 08:05:46 AM »
Discount Chemist, I know you are not good at posting quotes, but please provide the quote where I said air is massless.
Do you know what a question mark is? <---- This thing

Read my post again. You clearly didn't comprehend any of it the first time.
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Also once again, you change the subject.  For an engineer you sure don't know much about physics. Do you need me to explain why a falling object in atmosphere is not in an inertial reference frame? <--- question mark
So no quote, then? <--- Question mark
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Oh, and this:
If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.

When the object is not in contact with the FE (directly or otherwise)
Objects under aerodynamic drag are not inertial.
You can't read, can you?


For an engineer you sure don't know much about physics.
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #137 on: January 09, 2016, 08:20:28 AM »
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How do you determine what is in direct contact with UA and what it is not?
Simplified answer (applicable for most things on the FE and most celestial objects; this list is also FOR dependent):
1.  Is it accelerating at a minimum of 9.8m/s^2?  Yes, go to #2.  No, go to #5.
2.  Is there an acceleration vector normal to the FE equal to #1?  Yes, go to #3.  No, go to #5.
3.  When the object is not in contact with the FE (directly or otherwise) does the object retain the acceleration described in #1 and #2?   Yes, go to #4.  No, go to #5.
4.  The object is affected by the UA (what I have termed Dark Energy).
5.  The object is not affected by the UA/DE.
Ok, so:;
A) The part of the Earth near the equator, where the acceleration is below 9.8 (~9.78) is not affected by the UA.
Uh, no.

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B) The object accelerating at 10 m/s^2 but with tilted vector is not affected by the UA. That means, anything rotating around the Earth is not, because their vectors aren't normal.
Uh, no.

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C) Object accelerating in the opposite direction to the Earth can also be affected by the UA. So the UA can accelerate objects in two opposite directions.
Uh, no.

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D) If UA accelerates stuff at 9.8m/s^2, how is anything above the shield (see further part of the post) able to move with higher acceleration?
Notice the 'minimum' part of #1?

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E) Anything outside of the Earth that is moving "slower" (lower acceleration) is not affected by the UA. Meteors that hit the surface for instance.
Uh, no.

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Etc. Your description makes no sense at all. It is very selective and basically causes 99.9999....9% of the Universe not to be affected by the UA.
Uh, no.  Your failure of comprehension causes 99.9999....9% of the Universe to not be affected by the UA. 

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This "about the altitude of the Sun and Moon" collapse is so convinient that I just do not believe it.
So you don't believe in the Earth or gravitation, or really any of the fundamental forces then, since their values in the universe are so convenient as to no be believable?

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Also, the shiled would have to form a cylinder above the disc to  ~map the reality. I find this hard to believe too.
A cylinder huh?  What reality does that map to?

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Last question. Why the Earth is accelerating upwards so regularly (perfectly upwards), but there are plenty objects that are not?
Well, if the FE was not accelerating 'so regularly' we wouldn't be around to know it.
This answers the non-existing question. Try again.
Uh, that is a direct answer to your question: "Why the Earth is accelerating upwards so regularly (perfectly upwards), but there are plenty objects that are not?"





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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #138 on: January 09, 2016, 10:49:33 AM »
Discount Chemist, I know you are not good at posting quotes, but please provide the quote where I said air is massless.
Do you know what a question mark is? <---- This thing

Read my post again. You clearly didn't comprehend any of it the first time.
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Also once again, you change the subject.  For an engineer you sure don't know much about physics. Do you need me to explain why a falling object in atmosphere is not in an inertial reference frame? <--- question mark
So no quote, then? <--- Question mark
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Oh, and this:
If an object is not experiencing an acceleration, then it is inertial.

When the object is not in contact with the FE (directly or otherwise)
Objects under aerodynamic drag are not inertial.
You can't read, can you?
So it's agreed objects falling in atmosphere are not inertia.


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For an engineer you sure don't know much about physics.
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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #139 on: January 09, 2016, 05:56:15 PM »
Have I missed something?
I have not ever seen any satisfactory reason for the variation of "g" over the surface of the earth.
The variations due to latitude, altitude and proximity to mineral bodies, as in :
Quote from: http://www.atlascopcoexploration.com/1.0.1.0/354/TS3.pdf
Gravimetric surveys measure small variations in the gravitational field caused by the pull of underlying rock masses.
The variation in gravity may be caused by faults, anticlines, and salt domes that are often associated with oil-bearing formations.
Gravimetric surveys are also used to detect high-density minerals, like iron ore, pyrites and lead-zinc mineralizations.
This seems completely at odds with the idea of UA, any explanation?

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« Reply #140 on: January 09, 2016, 06:10:07 PM »
Have I missed something?
I have not ever seen any satisfactory reason for the variation of "g" over the surface of the earth.
The variations due to latitude, altitude and proximity to mineral bodies, as in :
Quote from: http://www.atlascopcoexploration.com/1.0.1.0/354/TS3.pdf
Gravimetric surveys measure small variations in the gravitational field caused by the pull of underlying rock masses.
The variation in gravity may be caused by faults, anticlines, and salt domes that are often associated with oil-bearing formations.
Gravimetric surveys are also used to detect high-density minerals, like iron ore, pyrites and lead-zinc mineralizations.
This seems completely at odds with the idea of UA, any explanation?

Have you never heard of variations in readings of test equipment?  Are you tolling, or are you really this dumb? 

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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #141 on: January 09, 2016, 06:50:14 PM »
What about variations?
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« Reply #142 on: January 09, 2016, 06:57:01 PM »
What about variations?

Are you saying that any two calibrated instruments can never display different results?  I thought you were some kind of chemist.  Are you lying now, or were you lying then? 

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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #143 on: January 09, 2016, 07:07:03 PM »
What about variations?

Are you saying that any two calibrated instruments can never display different results?  I thought you were some kind of chemist.  Are you lying now, or were you lying then?
You have no reading comprehension at all. Where did I say two instruments can never display different results?
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« Reply #144 on: January 09, 2016, 07:08:09 PM »
Have I missed something?
I have not ever seen any satisfactory reason for the variation of "g" over the surface of the earth.
The variations due to latitude, altitude and proximity to mineral bodies, as in :
Quote from: http://www.atlascopcoexploration.com/1.0.1.0/354/TS3.pdf
Gravimetric surveys measure small variations in the gravitational field caused by the pull of underlying rock masses.
The variation in gravity may be caused by faults, anticlines, and salt domes that are often associated with oil-bearing formations.
Gravimetric surveys are also used to detect high-density minerals, like iron ore, pyrites and lead-zinc mineralizations.
This seems completely at odds with the idea of UA, any explanation?
Have you never heard of variations in readings of test equipment?  Are you tolling, or are you really this dumb?
Don't be intentionally obtuse!  Why on earth would exploration companies spend millions on gravimetric surveys with instrument showing sufficient "variations in readings of test equipment" to render that readings unreliable.

And, if "variations in readings of test equipment" is the cause of the variation of "g" with latitude and altitude, why are the readings consistent.

This is something I can never understand with flat Earthers:  One divergent measurement comes up that questions any tiny aspect of the globe, and all the Flat Earthers are over it like a rash!  Some "Scientist" like Miles Mathis (you know - he of the "π = 4" fame) comes along questioning Cavendish, and suddenly everyone says G, gravity does not exist etc, etc.  I see it all the time, but I had thought that you at least were a bit about this tactic.

My whole point has been that, UA should never have been applied to a region where the gravitational field is not constant, unless there is sound reasoning explaining these anomalies.

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« Reply #145 on: January 09, 2016, 07:10:27 PM »
What about variations?

Are you saying that any two calibrated instruments can never display different results?  I thought you were some kind of chemist.  Are you lying now, or were you lying then?
You have no reading comprehension at all. Where did I say two instruments can never display different results?

You are the one who is confused about variations, not me. 

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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #146 on: January 09, 2016, 07:12:43 PM »
So no quote then?
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« Reply #147 on: January 09, 2016, 07:14:19 PM »
Have I missed something?
I have not ever seen any satisfactory reason for the variation of "g" over the surface of the earth.
The variations due to latitude, altitude and proximity to mineral bodies, as in :
Quote from: http://www.atlascopcoexploration.com/1.0.1.0/354/TS3.pdf
Gravimetric surveys measure small variations in the gravitational field caused by the pull of underlying rock masses.
The variation in gravity may be caused by faults, anticlines, and salt domes that are often associated with oil-bearing formations.
Gravimetric surveys are also used to detect high-density minerals, like iron ore, pyrites and lead-zinc mineralizations.
This seems completely at odds with the idea of UA, any explanation?
Have you never heard of variations in readings of test equipment?  Are you tolling, or are you really this dumb?
Don't be intentionally obtuse!  Why on earth would exploration companies spend millions on gravimetric surveys with instrument showing sufficient "variations in readings of test equipment" to render that readings unreliable.

And, if "variations in readings of test equipment" is the cause of the variation of "g" with latitude and altitude, why are the readings consistent.

This is something I can never understand with flat Earthers:  One divergent measurement comes up that questions any tiny aspect of the globe, and all the Flat Earthers are over it like a rash!  Some "Scientist" like Miles Mathis (you know - he of the "π = 4" fame) comes along questioning Cavendish, and suddenly everyone says G, gravity does not exist etc, etc.  I see it all the time, but I had thought that you at least were a bit about this tactic.

My whole point has been that, UA should never have been applied to a region where the gravitational field is not constant, unless there is sound reasoning explaining these anomalies.

Why does the US government spend $14,000 for a toilet seat?  You seem like a very gullible person. 

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Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« Reply #149 on: January 09, 2016, 07:18:21 PM »
So no quote then?

What about variations?

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Where in that quote do I claim two instruments can't display different results? I don't even see the words "instrument" or "results" in it. 

I'll wait.
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